HU Back????????

[Chito01]

Channels 503, 504, 514, 538, 539 and 540 are up with an HU, same 3m i had when the stram was taken down , why is this????? :)

[Chito01]

has anyone else confirmed this?

[toyzshopmike]

yes also I have never lost my UTV

[crip]

:rolleyes:

[CanadianBacon]

Confirmed they are working

[crip]

:rolleyes:
I am getting the same channels! Were they always up or are they coming back?

[Chito01]

for now just those select few, im still flipping to see if any others come up....

[CanadianBacon]

I am getting the same channels! Were they always up or are they coming back?

Trust me, these channels where not up last week!

[Mav977]

yes i just checked and those channels do work. wonder whats going on

[Chapster99]

Any PPV???

[culatr]

yep gothem here also whats up????

[tv4us]

this is odd!!! any one have any ideas why these channels are back?

[tv4us]

no ppv here

[grasel]

fellas chito o1 is right those channels are in pretty color

[CanadianBacon]

fellas chito o1 is right those channels are in pretty color

Someone try an H card....maybe today is our lucky day. NOT

[1QwikBee]

Works for me too, only those channels though. Noticed that my receiver light was flashing this morning like it used to when dave sent me a message. Don't know if this is coincidence?

[SportingFan9]

Perhaps it has something to do with the new bird that DAVE blasted off into the sky this weekend? :confused: Sure would be nice to get some more channels, like the PPV's and the 600's ;)

[SportingFan9]

Works for me too, only those channels though. Noticed that my receiver light was flashing this morning like it used to when dave sent me a message. Don't know if this is coincidence?

Check your e-mail on the IRD. It might be a Freeview event that they are letting peeps know about.

[quickone]

this is really weird they are up over here as well! NO bullshit... maybe I ll get my locals back :)... damn I miss Playboy :p

[Teppy1954]

Ever occur to you quys that since the best and brightest are having a devil of a time trying to get into the P4 / P5 that maybe Dave outsmarted himself? Would it be possible that the P4 stream is not working well enough for it to be economically feasible? Let's watch and wait, but history is on our side. Traditionally new technology takes a very long time before it can be implemented on an economical basis.

[SportingFan9]

I am not so sure. I really think that the channels that are up as of now will disappear by the end of the weekend. I think that DAVE just wanted to test his new toy with the HU stream instead of causing problems on the P4 stream and having irate callers bombard them. Hey is just teasing us a little.

[monkeyluv]

If this is coming off the new satellite, do you need to repoint your dish? it seems to me that the guys getting these channels just turned on their IRD's and it was tv as usual on those channels... wouldn't that mean that it's still running off the old bird? just curios, i could be way off.

[SportingFan9]

The HU stream for these chanels has to be up on the 101 bird as most of DAVE's channels are on this bird. I think that the new bird is being used to bring in more locals as well as to improve picture quality.

[monkeyluv]

interesting... wonder what is up then, maybe the p4/5 cards are not working properly, although i can't see them stepping back to the HU. Nice to get some insight from one of the mods here.

[Joe stummer]

well i dont know to much but something is up for sure hope its not like bev death ray to burn up recivers

[rio822]

got hbos and shotimes here too no ppv no porn

[monkeyluv]

are there more channels being added or is it just those? this could be good news i guess.

[rio822]

has anyone tried an activation? would you get more channels and for how long? gotta take my loader outta the trash to try this

[monkeyluv]

Maybe they're doing it just to figure out how many HU cards are still in the mix... kind of like an audit. I'm sure i've read here before that they can do this.

[rio822]

Why Is There Sparks Coming From My Reciever?

[monkeyluv]

Did you try and act file or is it strictly working with that 3m you have on their?

[SportingFan9]

I just used the no745 bin that I had in my HU (I have a Shadow Board).

[Teppy1954]

:) OK I think it is time the mods got involved here. We need confirmation as to whether or not the following rumour is true or is total bullshit:

There is a new rumour flying on another site that Dave has encountered compatability problems between the new cards and approx 250,000 existant receivers. In order not to lose these paying customers Dave has instructed these customers to revert to their Hu cards. The rumour goes on to state that the stream will be replaced completely within two weeks.

Mili, 4x4, someone: please respond!

[Chito01]

there are some posts in a mexican forum suggesting that its a trick from dave, but i dont know, For now i'm just happy to get 6 channels from my "ice scraper"

[SportingFan9]

I thought that the P4 would be married to the receiver once the HU was discarded...am I wrong?

[rio822]

Ok I Was Just Kidding About The Sparks But There Is A Van With Tinted Windows Parked Outside Just Kiding, Lets Enjoy While It Lasts

[rio822]

Anyone Know How Long The Stream Has Been Back On ---just Wondering If I Could Have Watched The Sopranos Last Nite?

[monkeyluv]

it'll be on 503 tonight... if 503 is on tonight... fingers crossed

[rio822]

Thanx Monkeyluv - My Toes Are Crossed Too

[Chito01]

i found out because my tivo recorded a movie this morning, i was going to delete it *thinking it was only audio* i accidentally pressed play and to my surprise i had video, this was @ 9 am roughly

[Chief]

Here's an unconfirmed possibility....perhaps the VA packets have been removed from a certain channel group as part of a DTV promotion, or "teaser"....they run some movie channels unencrypted from time to time, for a short period of time, to promote add-on packages to their subscribers. If this is the case, all of the newer cards, the HU and even the F and H card should work on these channels. OK, drag out the bootstraps and Majestic 3.3, folks... :p
I've seen this theory posted in several places.
As for testing their new satellite, I suppose anything's possible - but first, I'm not sure it's even been launched - and opening up HU video packets on a few HBO channels seems like a strange way to test it, anyway.
Just have to wait it out; see where it goes from here. I wouldn't count on the resurrection of the HU, if I were you (although it would be nice !) :)

[ROLLLER]

Ive been at work since i heard this morning so no way to verify anything for another five hours. my questions are this though: Whats being logged in the stream? what transponders are these channels attached to? Are there any other channels on those transponders coming in gradually? If the roumers are true about Dave turning on the HU stream again due to problems with compatability with ird's then the full stream should be back in about 2 days !!!

[monkeyluv]

that is true... if there have been issues he's got to bring the entire stream back up... wonder if that's the same timeline as when he takes it down.

[1QwikBee]

Mine just went out about 3:35PM, was getting 401 PPV also

[rio822]

Gone Down Here Too ---damn You Dave

[CanadianBacon]

that is true... if there have been issues he's got to bring the entire stream back up... wonder if that's the same timeline as when he takes it down.

Remember these words, "CARDLESS RECEIVER", that's what he is working on!

[monkeyluv]

That's got to be an expensive test... bringing that up and down like that... something is definitely fishy

[Rax]

Dave is toying w your emotions LOL :)

[zyx]

people have been acting like it takes a bi-partisan effort from congress to shut down or start up HU packets in the stream.

a) there is only one stream... containing different packets that are either discarded or processed by a given card... each card paying attention only to what it recognizes.

b) a certain group of packets either being in the stream or not in the stream is nothing more than dave switching on a bank of computers to feed the downlink through and encrypt for HU... pipe it back up, and the satellites are back in the business of bouncing pretty little HU packets.

c) contrary to popular belief, even while satellites like the ones used by DBS companies are multi-million dollar ventures (not including the price of launch) and are rather complex, they are not the amazing pieces of year-2150 technology that some believe they are... satellites like the ones used by directv are radio re-transmitters... they are mirrors (metaphor)... they bounce an original terrestrial signal back to earth using specialized repeaters. the overhead involved in making the birds "smarter" would be a prohibitive cost, and necessary changes in software on the sat would require video downtime... something that just can't be considered. this leads me to...

d) after considering part "c" of this rant... if dave wants to test a fresh sat he just put up there, HU packets would be a fantastic thing to have it send back... because:
1) it can't really do anything harmful, since subbed users aren't supposed to be using HU's by now anyways
2) if everything *does* happen to go haywire, subbed users are unaffected by it
3) testing p4 on a new sat could be a business disaster... like if dave lost control of a sat broadcasting p4 packets on a different timestamp than one of the primary sats in one of the regular orbital slots (like 101)... receivers would have no way to 'tune out' the data that was fubar from the rogue satellite, because once the feed goes to your coax, it is basically all the same to your box

e) if dave wants to toy with us... we probably deserve it. the only people who will get really worked up about this are people who don't ever intend to pay for anything and dtv was their only way to watch. a sense of entitlement is not what it is about. testing is called what it is because the idea is to see what's out there... today's happening is a great part of that... it was like a Christmas present for me, but i won't cry when it leaves. if i want sure-bet channels to watch, i'll dish out some money (no pun intended)

f) about dave having p4 problems... BS on that one, imho. any problems dave had with p4 would have been ironed out long ago... sometimes we forget just how long p4 has been used for legit subs now, but it is certainly long enough that if there actually are problems you can almost guarantee that they are strictly related to hardware/card manufacturing defect or some silly human error... and has nothing to do with the actual way in which dave puts p4 data into the stream or how the cards treat it once it makes it to the box. the economics of what dave does are completely irrelevant... and you would be correct in thinking that telling legit subs to go back to HU would be out of the question... simply put:
1) HU cards are thrown out when not needed, and i doubt dave is going to send out any more of something that hackers had so much fun with for so long
2) P4 marries to the box anyways, so a big hassle there too
3) any hassle the end-user has is just a customer service issue that dave has to deal with, and reviving the HU for the purpose of giving legit subs their channels back would be a public relations nightmare
4) it was like 5 premium channels... how would that help a subbed user?


oooooooooooooooo k... i'm tired now.
as a side note, we should all pay attention to our moderators, since they are some pretty wise peeps. as Chief noted, dropping encryption from channels would likely make them look alive with pretty much any access card... maybe we should ask some free-to-air users if the feeds themselves were in the open today. my BUD can't make it's living here at my townhouse apartment, as i doubt the landlord would be down with me mounting it in the driveway... but anyways, it won’t be lonely for long, hopefully (now if i can just find a reason to quit school and work and move back to the RFD route)

i really hope future thoughts on this will be from a "dave can easily do whatever he wants for whatever reason he wants" perspective. this is no big thing for him... there are no arrays of millions of hamsters running individual wheels to create new encryption keys or anything like that. it's a light switch. hehe

tv on outdated cards is just a bonus for the peeps with the patience to leave the cards in the box, knowing they may never show video again... and little more than that.

--zyx

[Chief]

Nice, Zyx. Thanks for a well-written piece. :)
Now that I think about it, you may be right about using HU packets to test a new bird....any problems would just piss off a few testers - and I doubt that would hurt their feelings a great deal. :p

[looker]

The HU stream is coming back. Dave is telling people to put there hu cards back in and they shoould be all working by 11pm est. This is happen because he just had to many sub's go down and not come back up with the P4 cards. This is straight from dave no second hand info.

[HotRodTodd]

Someone better get a fire extinguisher for looker, i think he's going to need it. LOL

[TheSlider]

"The HU stream is coming back. Dave is telling people to put there hu cards back in and they shoould be all working by 11pm est. This is happen because he just had to many sub's go down and not come back up with the P4 cards. This is straight from dave no second hand info."

Oh boy, I smell GeneratorX with another name here...

TS

[solat75]

(being an installer) I have seen the p4 AND p5 in every kind of receiver, even the old dinos like the drd303s and 205s, and they are working fine......been like this since i first started seeing these things appear .......so i can't see why dave would fix something that isn't broke........

[jafar]

Ok, Like Alan Jackson, and Jimmy Buffet would say. It's 11 0 clock somewhere. Any body got anything? Jafar :)

[udntcme]

Has anyone put there subbed p-4's back in and see if they still work? could this be a trick?

[solat75]

hey all.......just read from about post 47 on down......to 50......those that were posting that they had channels.....also lost them this afternoon....