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spacecowboy
06-23-2004, 12:23 AM
I just got a system from a neighbor and set it up. I get the open channels but thats it. When I first ran the card in Nagra it told me it was a rev 381. I tried everything I had to unlock it but nothing worked. I put it back in the stream and now its at rev 383. Is there anyway to get this card unlocked or am I out of luck?

indal_98
06-23-2004, 12:50 AM
I just got a system from a neighbor and set it up. I get the open channels but thats it. When I first ran the card in Nagra it told me it was a rev 381. I tried everything I had to unlock it but nothing worked. I put it back in the stream and now its at rev 383. Is there anyway to get this card unlocked or am I out of luck?

If you'd only read the newbie guide in dish/bev newbie section, you've found out that NEVER put a card in the signal stream without a blocker.

It is stream-locked @ rev 383 by Dish and there is no software available to unlock it at this point, even dealer's.

Hold on to it for a while.

lips905
06-23-2004, 12:53 AM
actually i can unlock 383 if u have any questions pm me

slimmers
06-23-2004, 01:54 AM
the freeware rom 3 opener for dish that marks at e010- and e013 would still open 383. i see no reason it wont.

07-07-2004, 12:41 AM

lips905
07-07-2004, 04:18 AM
i have unlocker and so far it unlocks all streem locked 383

ah33919
07-07-2004, 04:22 AM
i have unlocker and so far it unlocks all streem locked 383

Share it!!! you've got PM.

lips905
07-07-2004, 04:25 AM
i cant share cause the software only works in my pc but i use the hyperterminal

07-07-2004, 08:07 AM

hotrodder1039
07-07-2004, 01:31 PM
the freeware rom 3 opener for dish that marks at e010- and e013 would still open 383. i see no reason it wont.

is that the exact name of the file? i can't find it.

Just2KnowIT
07-07-2004, 04:45 PM
I just sent a 383 to get unlocked,he did it but it cost like $10 + ship, would like to take a look at whay u have there.Lips905.Please post or pm

lips905
07-08-2004, 07:09 AM
If you guys want to get your cards unlocked you would have to send them to me...Unfortunatly i have tried to figure out what kind of programing is in my unlocker but i cant seem to figure it out..I think $20 should cover shipping.(I am not a dealer so i would only accept this if MILI or any of the mods have a problem with it .) This is is site and i don't want any problems. I like coming here and the last thing i need is to get banned. Mili can you please read this post and get back to me... Thanx ,Lips

jose malave
07-09-2004, 03:54 AM
if you could unlock rom3 at 383 make some money its only fair

Just2KnowIT
07-09-2004, 04:40 AM
:) Sent my 383 to tuscon,az...10/ea+5 ship..regardless of how many same shipping price. Sent back out same day he recieved...:)

mksjnk
07-09-2004, 04:55 AM
Lips. I think i know the unlocker you have. IS it a white box about 4-5 inches wide, 6-8 inches long and about 2 inches thick? I know a guy with one of those. He's had it for a couple of years now. It still unlocks all rom3 to date. I think it runs strictly on voltage/timing, not software so much.

jose malave
07-09-2004, 04:57 AM
thats great tuscon az. $10+5 shipping ...something is missing ---lips 905 send me your address....I dont care what kind tools you use.

Chief
07-09-2004, 05:30 AM
Folks, offering unlocker service at what appears to be just a token charge is fine with us. Mili understandibly doesn't allow competitive services or products to be offered in the forums. He doesn't unlock for hire, as far as I know...so go right ahead.

Please don't post email addresses in the forums, for your own protection. Use PM.

Good luck with those 383's....just be careful not to loop them in the process. :)

jose malave
07-09-2004, 05:53 AM
thank you chief

skinerd
07-09-2004, 05:53 AM
If you guys want to get your cards unlocked you would have to send them to me...Unfortunatly i have tried to figure out what kind of programing is in my unlocker but i cant seem to figure it out..I think $20 should cover shipping.(I am not a dealer so i would only accept this if MILI or any of the mods have a problem with it .) This is is site and i don't want any problems. I like coming here and the last thing i need is to get banned. Mili can you please read this post and get back to me... Thanx ,Lips


How about ROM 10 A23's ......can you do those?????

coolwind
07-09-2004, 06:35 AM
Now if someone wants to come up with a good one Unloop the rom 3 cards that were looped a few weeks ago
TKS

lips905
07-09-2004, 08:14 AM
Sup every1 I will be releasing the shipping adress by tomorrow morning but only to those people that Pm me.. Thanx. Postal moneyorders or Can. moneyorders r fine just leave the payee in blank..I will ship back cards same day :)

Crazy1_79
07-09-2004, 02:27 PM
How about ROM 10 A23's ......can you do those?????
hey lips, how about the a23's?

lips905
07-09-2004, 02:56 PM
hey lips, how about the a23's?

I know that SN can open a23 if the rev was the effect of a blocker but nothing for streemlocked a23. Sorry..i have the same problem

stas101
07-09-2004, 05:59 PM
:) Sent my 383 to tuscon,az...10/ea+5 ship..regardless of how many same shipping price. Sent back out same day he recieved...:)
Mauisun, heh....:)

jose malave
07-10-2004, 01:08 AM
was this a joke? waiting for the address to send the cards.

opsraja
07-10-2004, 01:20 AM
Mauisun, heh....:)

yep thats who i use too. always reliable

jose malave
07-10-2004, 02:48 AM
no 383 there

opsraja
07-10-2004, 02:49 AM
no 383 there

what are you talking about?

jose malave
07-10-2004, 03:15 AM
mauisun only do rom 3 at 382 and below.sorry he email me that he those 383 so I send him my cards.guys thats for the info.

opsraja
07-10-2004, 03:18 AM
he unlocks 383 as well. i have sent several and received all back unlocked.

stas101
07-10-2004, 03:57 AM
Mauisun does all rom3 revisions....;)

lips905
07-10-2004, 04:25 AM
sorry i was late on delivering the the adress boys..I got tied up today but evrything is all set so if you guys want pm me for adress...I don't want to post it in the forums u guys know why..

lips905
07-13-2004, 08:44 AM
HEY evry1 gave up on this thread??? LOL

07-13-2004, 11:15 AM

lips905
07-14-2004, 07:41 AM
when u say streamlocked , is that if u have legit service with that card, rite now. theres no way i can unlock it. U need a unlooper in order to open a streamlocked 383

Just2KnowIT
07-14-2004, 02:04 PM
Yes mauisun does the 383.just got one back w clean 372 image on it. I have an hu now where is a good script?

just4funnc
07-16-2004, 01:59 PM
I just got a system from a neighbor and set it up. I get the open channels but thats it. When I first ran the card in Nagra it told me it was a rev 381. I tried everything I had to unlock it but nothing worked. I put it back in the stream and now its at rev 383. Is there anyway to get this card unlocked or am I out of luck?


I fond some one that will unlock cards for $10.00 , so have a great day and PM me if you need the Email addy

RT02
07-20-2004, 04:33 AM
has anyone sent there card to lips905 with success

lips905
07-20-2004, 10:48 AM
well most of the cards that i do r done locally :) so really i haven't received many cards maybe 10 or so have been sent to me. they have all been sent back clean i hope you guys post results u know who u are.i am not here to stiff anyone if i cant do your card i will send u back the money :) :) :)

motown
07-29-2004, 07:05 AM
Mauisun, heh....:)
PM me the address for card unlock by dealer

07-31-2004, 02:49 AM

07-31-2004, 07:21 PM

anthony101
08-01-2004, 04:22 AM
I can't beleive it cost 20 dollars to ship 1 card that is down right crazy

just4funnc
08-01-2004, 04:11 PM
I can't beleive it cost 20 dollars to ship 1 card that is down right crazy


The guy that done mine ONLY charges $10 and $5 for tracking shipping and no extra shipping if you send more than one card, so if you send 5 like I did it is only $55.00. PM me amd I will send the the gus addy

gwba
08-01-2004, 09:01 PM
try rompukev4. it might work. did one for me. don't know if it was just spoofed or not, but nothing else was touching it.

crazy30
08-02-2004, 04:38 AM
The old Emulator1 unlooper or the Jupiter unlooper does 383 in 10 seconds. Anybody with those unit can do it. I have both.

anthony101
08-02-2004, 05:57 AM
The old Emulator1 unlooper or the Jupiter unlooper does 383 in 10 seconds. Anybody with those unit can do it. I have both.


with what program???

ScorpionX
08-02-2004, 08:36 PM
Anyone know the password for the dufuss bin on ds ftp files

jose malave
08-02-2004, 09:04 PM
were cant pick up a jupiter unlooper?

spacecowboy
08-03-2004, 03:30 AM
try rompukev4. it might work. did one for me. don't know if it was just spoofed or not, but nothing else was touching it.

I tried the rompuke v4 but it didnt touch it. Looks like I'll have to send my 2 rom3's out.. when we all go hit back on the 20th 1 of my 3's that were spoofed @ 383 got stream locked so now I'm back to watching only the locals again...

08-03-2004, 03:56 AM

Just2KnowIT
08-27-2004, 04:24 PM
To Unlock dufus ....If you run bug buster in nagra and then run unlock card with pass B0 0B F0 0B AB BA B0 AA
it will open.

gwba
08-28-2004, 01:06 AM
thank you just2knowit worked for me on a friends card

newbe
08-28-2004, 04:11 AM
Just found Rompopper V383 on another site. Don't know if it works, sent out locked card to get unlocked to soon. Don't know if I can post site so I won't. PM me if you want info for site.

hifly
08-28-2004, 05:39 AM
Rom popper 383 didn't do anything for my plastic. Backdoor still locked.

tung718
08-28-2004, 09:04 AM
Same thing for me i have 2 Rom3 Rev 383 and i tried using the rompopper 383 and didn't work for me. Any help please... :cry:

lips905
08-28-2004, 11:44 AM
Same thing for me i have 2 Rom3 Rev 383 and i tried using the rompopper 383 and didn't work for me. Any help please... :cry:


IF rom popper can't help i can :) PM for info

Crazy1_79
08-28-2004, 05:01 PM
Chances are, someone just renamed rompopperv01 to rompopperv383, If it is streamlocked, you can send it to lips, he has successfully unlocked alot of 383's for people on this forum and I haven't seen any complaints so far. So he must be doing a hell of a job.

just4funnc
08-28-2004, 10:11 PM
I know a guy that will unlock them for $10 each and $5 shipping the shipping is good for 1 or 20 cards, so if you send 3 cards it will be $35.00

lips905
08-29-2004, 03:30 AM
I know a guy that will unlock them for $10 each and $5 shipping the shipping is good for 1 or 20 cards, so if you send 3 cards it will be $35.00


Just4funnc are you that guy the guy that unlocks for 10 dollars?Cause if you are no problem :) .But if you are not why do you have to slip that in everytime some 1 posts to ask me a question or if one of the fellow members recomends others to me.People send me cards with no obligation.I know im new to Dssftp but you don't see that other guy That you know come in to the site and help others do you?No flaming intended peace

just4funnc
08-29-2004, 05:30 AM
Just4funnc are you that guy the guy that unlocks for 10 dollars?Cause if you are no problem :) .But if you are not why do you have to slip that in everytime some 1 posts to ask me a question or if one of the fellow members recomends others to me.People send me cards with no obligation.I know im new to Dssftp but you don't see that other guy That you know come in to the site and help others do you?No flaming intended peace

NO I AM not the PERSON but he is a friend and don't CHARGE as much as some people do. NO Flaming Peace. I just got 3 more cards back today from him I had unlocked for some people

lips905
08-29-2004, 06:18 AM
NO I AM not the PERSON but he is a friend and don't CHARGE as much as some people do. NO Flaming Peace. I just got 3 more cards back today from him I had unlocked for some people

That's cool I was just curious.And i have problem with that.

reb43
08-29-2004, 04:36 PM
lips905 did a super job for me, if I have any more 383s I will send to him. He is GOOD

lips905
08-29-2004, 06:55 PM
lips905 did a super job for me, if I have any more 383s I will send to him. He is GOOD


Thanks reb43 ;)

08-29-2004, 07:47 PM

just4funnc
08-31-2004, 06:13 AM
Well If you Guys want it done Cheaper Just PM ME

just4funnc
08-31-2004, 05:08 PM
I can't beleive it cost 20 dollars to ship 1 card that is down right crazy
That is Why I say PM me the Guy I know will does cards for $10.00 each and $5 shipping, the $5 covers all your cards you send so if you send 5 cards it is ONLY $5 TOTAL no extra for shipping cards all cards are included in the $5 shipping NOT $5 shipping for each card.The guy can unloop some cards and if he can't he REFUNDS your money with your card and has UNLOCKED every card I have sent him.

just4funnc
08-31-2004, 05:10 PM
That's cool I was just curious.And i have problem with that.

LMAO then you need to check out a MENTAL ward if you have a PROBLEM LIPS and stop saying PLEASE send me your CARDS. LOL sounds like a CHILD begging

lips905
09-01-2004, 06:56 AM
LMAO then you need to check out a MENTAL ward if you have a PROBLEM LIPS and stop saying PLEASE send me your CARDS. LOL sounds like a CHILD begging


Hey LIPSTICK is anyone begging here ?? All i did was ask you a simple question.Did you get offended? i don't think you have read any posts where i was begging for people to send me cards.You are the one that keeps saying my friend does this my friend does that.Well I say i do it myself?Its there choice to send cards so i coulden't careless what you fuckin say.For your info

rpmvette
09-04-2004, 01:18 AM
Just got my ROM 3 stream locked 383 back from lips. Card is unlocked at 372 and works great. Thanks Lips

It may seem a little expensive but at least the guy is trust worthy.

Test123
09-04-2004, 04:38 AM
What the heck, I got some layin around and decided to give him a try too!
I'll let ya know soon!
They don't do me any good sitin on a shelf collectin dust! :)

badnews
09-04-2004, 07:42 PM
viagra for 383 opened 2 of mine

Chapster99
09-04-2004, 08:26 PM
just4funnc & lips......let's not get nasty here.

Crazy1_79
09-04-2004, 08:27 PM
viagra for 383 opened 2 of mine
Really? were they streamlocked?

rob24_365
09-07-2004, 08:30 PM
That is Why I say PM me the Guy I know will does cards for $10.00 each and $5 shipping, the $5 covers all your cards you send so if you send 5 cards it is ONLY $5 TOTAL no extra for shipping cards all cards are included in the $5 shipping NOT $5 shipping for each card.The guy can unloop some cards and if he can't he REFUNDS your money with your card and has UNLOCKED every card I have sent him.

I would have to say that if your 'friend' can't even deign to post on this site, then he doesn't deserve to have his service advertised here.

What does everyone else think?

Rob

2getwired
09-08-2004, 04:53 AM
viagra for 383 opened 2 of mine

oh where oh where is this magic proggy???

Crazy1_79
09-08-2004, 04:55 AM
I don't know, I asked about it and they never got back. Check the downloads. If it works for you, let me know! lol

lips905
09-08-2004, 05:41 AM
:) Thanks for all the support guys :)

jerbear7
09-08-2004, 07:11 AM
has anyone sent there card to lips905 with success
Just got mine back. Fast turnaround. Good to be warching TV again.

halfpint
09-09-2004, 06:45 PM
I would have to say that if your 'friend' can't even deign to post on this site, then he doesn't deserve to have his service advertised here.

What does everyone else think?

Rob

I just got through reading this thread and would like to back up "justforfunnc" .
I know who he is talking about and that guy has his own site and his own very large forum in which he deals a lot in computer problems.
He probably couldn't care less if you send your cards to him or not, but he has been unlooping cards for many years, and is very fast and reliable.
I am sure "Lips" is also very fast and reliable.
I think you guys would be happy , nomatter which guy you send it to.
Just my 2˘, thanks and be happy...........˝pt.

Test123
09-18-2004, 01:02 AM
Just got my 2 cards back and they are unlocked!

Great job, now if only the Rom 10s @ a23 can be done!

Thanx again!!! :cool:

just4funnc
09-19-2004, 09:18 AM
I just got through reading this thread and would like to back up "justforfunnc" .
I know who he is talking about and that guy has his own site and his own very large forum in which he deals a lot in computer problems.
He probably couldn't care less if you send your cards to him or not, but he has been unlooping cards for many years, and is very fast and reliable.
I am sure "Lips" is also very fast and reliable.
I think you guys would be happy , nomatter which guy you send it to.
Just my 2˘, thanks and be happy...........˝pt.

The point is the Man I am sending people to is about half the price others are charging and sends the cards back the same day he receives them. I sent him some Looped cards he got a cpl unlooped and the ones he could not unloop sent the cards and my money back

RoadKill56
09-20-2004, 03:55 AM
Lips905 you have a pm

LuckLarry
09-20-2004, 04:30 AM
I just saw a 383 unlocker posted for download at another site (I.D.) I don't have a locked 383 to try it on.

thekid
09-20-2004, 04:42 AM
I just saw a 383 unlocker posted for download at another site (I.D.) I don't have a locked 383 to try it on.
Did you download the file ? If so post it here I'll try it and let you know if it worked.

LuckLarry
09-20-2004, 04:43 AM
Did you download the file ? If so post it here I'll try it and let you know if it worked.
I didn't but I can . I can e-mail it to ya. P.M. your email addy to me.

LuckLarry
09-20-2004, 04:47 AM
I just went there to download it. The file is awaiting mod approval, which usually takes a few hours. It just got uploaded there, and all new uploads are o.k.'ed by mods there. I will send it as soon as I can get it.

ME123
09-20-2004, 05:32 AM
Did you download the file ? If so post it here I'll try it and let you know if it worked.
whats you email ill send that 383 unlocker

RoadKill56
09-20-2004, 06:39 AM
Lips905 you got another PM

ggjayjay
09-20-2004, 12:09 PM
here is a Mod for you hu loader to make it a unlocker it will unlock all 383 rom 3 and any other rev on a rom 3 just rom 3 even comes with pics of the mod and a flash and script this is by the 2 big guys!! ALSO this is not a old file it just came out!! Hope you guys like!!!! It will work!!

rob24_365
09-20-2004, 09:46 PM
Lips, thanks for the great work. I received my four cards and all are wide open now.

I highly recommend Lips if you need any cards unlocked!

Rob

RoadKill56
09-20-2004, 09:58 PM
Lips sent you another PM

xnone
09-21-2004, 03:20 AM
Lips is good AND he's honest. I sent him a card that I thought was streamlocked.
It was looped but Lips sent it back to me along with my money order and paid his own postage . Nice guy.

chep
09-21-2004, 05:04 AM
I have sent a card to lips and also sent a couple to the other guy mentioned here in the thread and I will let you guys know what happens from both of them!



chep

CYCO
09-21-2004, 06:01 PM
actually i can unlock 383 if u have any questions pm me


Lips Thanks for the unlock on the rom3. great fast service and reasonable price. Thanks again :)

kp4ask
09-21-2004, 06:55 PM
This looks quite interesting but the schematic diagram doesn't seem to agree with what I see in the photos. More info about this project would be very helpful. :)


here is a Mod for you hu loader to make it a unlocker it will unlock all 383 rom 3 and any other rev on a rom 3 just rom 3 even comes with pics of the mod and a flash and script this is by the 2 big guys!! ALSO this is not a old file it just came out!! Hope you guys like!!!! It will work!!

Loopey1
09-21-2004, 11:37 PM
This looks quite interesting but the schematic diagram doesn't seem to agree with what I see in the photos. More info about this project would be very helpful. :)

I just finished this Mod and I do agree that the diagram Vs the Pic is a little off so I decided to go with the Fuzzy Pic and as of yet I can not get it to work at all.
Here is what I am recieving in WinExp.
TESTFILES\TESTglitchFIND.XVB
TX Data : A0
TX Data : A1
TX Data : 07 0E 03 10 01 03 9A 00
RX Data :

Script Error on Line 70
Sc.Read: Timeout Reading Data From Card - 2 Bytes Requested, 0 Bytes Read

As you see NO rec. Data is comming Back.

BirdieMod
09-21-2004, 11:48 PM
That looks like the same error you get trying the script on a non modded HU loader.

09-23-2004, 02:36 AM

bloodhound
09-24-2004, 01:46 AM
I agree Why does he not post here

Loopey1
09-24-2004, 05:06 AM
Um, its in the file section. I got it from there. Under rom files its like the second one down.
rom3unlocker-glitcher2 rev383 penga69 unlocker.zip is the name.


Hope that helps you all out. I do not know how to direct link so Sorry.

nebur
09-24-2004, 06:27 AM
here are some better pics of the mod

roxycharlie
09-27-2004, 03:36 AM
I fond some one that will unlock cards for $10.00 , so have a great day and PM me if you need the Email addy
I have 2 looped rom3 cards and 2 looped rom 10 cards can you fix send details Thanks roxy charlie

roxycharlie
09-27-2004, 03:43 AM
The guy that done mine ONLY charges $10 and $5 for tracking shipping and no extra shipping if you send more than one card, so if you send 5 like I did it is only $55.00. PM me amd I will send the the gus addy
Need address and quote for 2 rom 3 and 2 rom 10 Thank You roxy charlie

roxycharlie
09-27-2004, 06:05 AM
Need address and quote for 2 rom 3 and 2 rom 10 Thank You roxy charlie send address and info. thanks

roxycharlie
09-27-2004, 06:09 AM
need info thanks

roxycharlie
09-27-2004, 06:10 AM
need details

chep
09-28-2004, 02:37 AM
I have sent a card to lips and also sent a couple to the other guy mentioned here in the thread and I will let you guys know what happens from both of them!



chep


Took 6 days for the round trip BUt Lips did send my rom3 back with Revision@ 372.

Thanks Lips, still waiting on the other guy?

Crazy1_79
10-14-2004, 10:00 PM
:) Thanks for all the support guys :)
I know it is not as important as it once was, since the modded loader seems to be having great success with these cards, but I got 2 cards back from lips today and they were unlocked, Thanks Lips!!

lips905
10-15-2004, 06:02 AM
I know it is not as important as it once was, since the modded loader seems to be having great success with these cards, but I got 2 cards back from lips today and they were unlocked, Thanks Lips!!


Thanks crazy1.

Crazy1_79
10-15-2004, 01:26 PM
NO, thank you,

babyboy
10-15-2004, 02:57 PM
can some tell how to open this one...thanks

Opening of COM1 was successful
ATR String: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 64 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
30 30 33 20 52 65 76 33 36 35 FD
ROM Revision: 003
EEPROM Revision: Rev365
Logging into card
Checking for BackDoor
BackDoor appears to be closed, aborting
Error reading image from card
Closing of COM1 was successful

coolc44
10-15-2004, 05:46 PM
Use this with Niagra 4.1.

babyboy
10-15-2004, 06:41 PM
Use this with Niagra 4.1.
this what i got after i tested

RX: 3F FF 95 00 FF 91 81 71 64 47 00 44 4E 41 53 50
30 30 33 20 52 65 76 33 36 35 FD
TX: 21 00 25 A0 20 00 00 20 8F AB C2 64 44 9A FE 70
1D E7 62 FA B1 4C 31 06 00 11 22 33 44 55 66 77
88 99 AA BB CC DD EE FF DE
RX: 12 81 00 93
*** expected 6 bytes but only received 4
i try to clean the card stated it couldnt be read

fourdreams
10-15-2004, 07:45 PM
for revision 365 i would use a program called "Opensesame". its worked for me before, takes some time and patience but it will unlock the card. Good luck....

babyboy
10-15-2004, 09:01 PM
fourdreams the only thing i get from opensesame is atr received,sending data and waiting response.do it suppose to do that.do i suppose to let it sit there for a long time or keep repeating it...i do appreciate this..thanks

chep
10-15-2004, 10:24 PM
Took 6 days for the round trip BUt Lips did send my rom3 back with Revision@ 372.

Thanks Lips, still waiting on the other guy?

The other guy came through also with 3 cards unlocked and at 372. The reason it took so long was the US Post Office missplaced my Priority Mail Envelope for 3 weeks before delivering it to the guy. He sent it back in a couple of days and he is dependable in my opinion. chep

pthpd1999
10-16-2004, 01:19 AM
how about the cards thats been locked by spacetwister at REV. A-21 can anyone open that if anyone can please PM me will pay for your services.

lips905
10-16-2004, 01:51 AM
how about the cards thats been locked by spacetwister at REV. A-21 can anyone open that if anyone can please PM me will pay for your services.



I might be able to open them

fourdreams
10-16-2004, 06:42 AM
fourdreams the only thing i get from opensesame is atr received,sending data and waiting response.do it suppose to do that.do i suppose to let it sit there for a long time or keep repeating it...i do appreciate this..thanks

You keep repeating it, over and over until you get the message the card is unlocked. Then it may or may not be, check it in nagra, if not just keep repeating it with opensesame. It sometimes takes alot of tries, but its allways worked for me. Good luck.....