Mysterious P4 Hack Discussion, Part III

[Chief]

We'll run this a bit longer, in the event of any lingering interest.

[surfnazi]

I'am very intrested....but ..mysterious p4 hack ???
hmmmm. either there is...or there is alot of bull shit, and is not !
right!???

[Chief]

This particular thread, in Part 1 format, started over a month and 200 posts ago, Surfnazi.

There is no P4 hack, of course...but since members continue to enjoy discussing it anyway, we let 'em have at it. We also have a bullshit section for those who think they've spotted the holy grail of DTV.

Don't worry, you ain't missed a thing. Good to see a fellow Texan join in... :)

[lilchina]

Yes all us fellow Texans always know some fresh DTV Bullshit when we smell it!

[sally body]

I will not reply to any questions or take anying flaming ,but P4 is hacked but not to the average hacker, there is a high frequency diode that is being bypassed on the card chip and then the card can be treated like a P3 FOR PROGRAMING PURPOSES,YOU NEED A HIGH powered microscope and alot of know how.
this comes from a good source,and they are being sold in canada for 1500 dollars.take it for what its worth!

[LuckLarry]

Rotflmao !!!!!!!

[Chief]

YOU NEED A HIGH powered microscope and alot of know how.


Who's to say? We'll know in time.....
At least this makes more sense than people field-programming them at Canadian flea markets :rolleyes:

[nra man]

My answer to the question is "It is true when I have seen it." This started a long time ago with battery cards. I did not think it was true until I saw it. So right now I ain't seen it so I do not believe it. Hundreds of people may say they have seen it but I have not.

[just4funnc]

I will not reply to any questions or take anying flaming ,but P4 is hacked but not to the average hacker, there is a high frequency diode that is being bypassed on the card chip and then the card can be treated like a P3 FOR PROGRAMING PURPOSES,YOU NEED A HIGH powered microscope and alot of know how.
this comes from a good source,and they are being sold in canada for 1500 dollars.take it for what its worth!


ROFLMAO , Sally you got 1500 dollars I can Borrow till my hump back brother gets straighten up ?????

[mickey finn]

I will not reply to any questions or take anying flaming ,but P4 is hacked but not to the average hacker, there is a high frequency diode that is being bypassed on the card chip and then the card can be treated like a P3 FOR PROGRAMING PURPOSES,YOU NEED A HIGH powered microscope and alot of know how.
this comes from a good source,and they are being sold in canada for 1500 dollars.take it for what its worth!


you also need waders and a breathing tube! because i don't know anyone in the business who can be that accurate with an electrical bypass on micro technology.
And I work in the electronics field! ....... Just WHAT is a "high frequency diode" commonly known as? because i have never seen one listed in any component catalogue that i have had to read! But thanks for the info.

[lilchina]

who's getting out their steak knifes remember that hack. you cut what wire to do what to fully open the card? lol!

[muppetmandan]

High frequency diodes? If you believe that story, you are a great candidate for being sold on changing the muffler bearings your automobile.

I haven't posted before, and infact i just registered to reply to this message. I have been an avid reader of this forum and hobbiest for about a year now, but i hate to see people flame others because they themselves find a statement unbelieveable.

If you do a simple yahoo search (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22high+frequency+diode%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=) you will see that high frequency diodes do exist, so i think that maybe these people should do a little research before flaming others. Also most of these people haven't had anything productive to say EVER, they are just sitting back while others do the work so they can get their free TV.

Nuff Said.

Keep up the good work........that goes out to the REAL workers of this hobby.

[tdavis80]

I hate to add fuel to a flame war but 'high frequency diode' is a very generic name for an extremely generic part. It is so popular that the name itself means absolutely nothing. Any P-N junction can be considered a diode. In radio-speak, "HF" or "High frequency" is anything up to 30mhz which by todays standard is extremely low in frequency and is to be considered a low precision component.

I have to go with the previous poster's claim that a 'high frequency diode' describes not much of anything, especially in digital electronics.

Yes I agree that you found some google links with those words in them but do you understand what they mean?

PS: I heard that the P4 hack will be out in 2 weeks :-)


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If you do a simple yahoo search (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22high+frequency+diode%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=) you will see that high frequency diodes do exist, so i think that maybe these people should do a little research before flaming others. Also most of these people haven't had anything productive to say EVER, they are just sitting back while others do the work so they can get their free TV.

[aldo516]

I just ordered the p4 p5 replacement fix it's a receiver


I talked to 3 people on the net who have it and swear by it


don't know but they said there watching tv now

you tell me

www.planetscript.

[drunk]

when you get it let us know .we will let every body know

[drunk]

when you get it let us know .we will let every body know.i will set here and have two or maybe four or five beers untill then.

[FRZ]

You make the call.

$1500 for a (ahem!) "hacked" card that will last probably a month or less OR

$1500 to sub and have every channel +playboy +NFL +NHL for 1 year guaranteed.

You make the call.

[parishilton]

I just ordered the p4 p5 replacement fix it's a receiver


I talked to 3 people on the net who have it and swear by it


don't know but they said there watching tv now

you tell me

www.planetscript.

aldo516......be careful! but please keep us posted on your results with that receiver.

[aldo516]

I know to be careful but if you check the site out there is a long list of people who say they have this receiver e-maill addreses to ask about it, and they all say the same thing it works

I guess only time will tell for me
aldo

[gloryhole]

Aldo, Okay I'll bite. Where did you purchase this receiver. I tried the link included in your note but I'm at work and I'm hitting a firewall. Is that the full website address? I really want to stick with DTV if possible rather than incurring the time, effort, and cost of switching to Charlie. Not seeing much here about silverbullet4u or other FTA receivers.. :rolleyes:

[lastly]

Aldo, Okay I'll bite. Where did you purchase this receiver. I tried the link included in your note but I'm at work and I'm hitting a firewall. Is that the full website address? I really want to stick with DTV if possible rather than incurring the time, effort, and cost of switching to Charlie. Not seeing much here about silverbullet4u or other FTA receivers.. :rolleyes:


you need to put .net at the end of planetscript.

[gloryhole]

Aldo, I was able to view the website. So this receiver claims to get all DTV channels including PPV and HBO without a card. I hope it works when you get it. I noticed they only accept payment via "BECASH" whatever that is. I'd feel more comfortable paying with PAYPAL. Again, please keep us posted when you receive the unit. Thanks for "blazing the trail". If it works I'm sure a lot of us will consider it. I'd love to hear what Mili thinks about this product? Hope to hear back from you soon Aldo on this item.

[muppetmandan]

I know to be careful but if you check the site out there is a long list of people who say they have this receiver e-maill addreses to ask about it, and they all say the same thing it works

I guess only time will tell for me
aldo

Well if you are going to spend the $ and take the risk, thats great. You may be the neil armstrong of the DTV world. But seriously, if you are going to purchase and it works as told then we will all jump the bandwagon evetually i'm sure.

However a couple things that worry me about planetscript dot net, is that they are using a PayPal like feature that i'm sure most of us have never heard of. Also their email address is a yahoo account (Based in the UK never the less), the statments on the website about how wonderful the product is could have been placed by the person that created the page. It just seems to look a little shady if you ask me...........

The equipment kinda looks like a DVD player or even a digital cable box don't you think????

Just my 2cents, don't want to see you get burned.

GOOD LUCK !!!

[gloryhole]

Muppetmandan, It's nice to see someone here (Aldo) has the kohones to give it a try then share the results. I agree with your comments. My concerns (besides the obvious of whether it will work) are the payment method (BECASH) with no paypal option and no mention of support or software in case updates are required at a later date. Having said that, I'm excited about the possibility of a silverbullet/blackbird type of receiver for Dave instead of Charlie. I hope Mili sheds some light on this product. I'm in DTV withdrawal. Vision blurred. Getting weaker.. :uhh:


Well if you are going to spend the $ and take the risk, thats great. You may be the neil armstrong of the DTV world. But seriously, if you are going to purchase and it works as told then we will all jump the bandwagon evetually i'm sure.

However a couple things that worry me about planetscript dot net, is that they are using a PayPal like feature that i'm sure most of us have never heard of. Also their email address is a yahoo account (Based in the UK never the less), the statments on the website about how wonderful the product is could have been placed by the person that created the page. It just seems to look a little shady if you ask me...........

The equipment kinda looks like a DVD player or even a digital cable box don't you think????

Just my 2cents, don't want to see you get burned.

GOOD LUCK !!!

[tazspin]

those these few features in particular make me wonder
*Supports ‘over air’ download of new software*
*CONDITIONAL ACCESS NDS CA with smart card reader*
*Modem telephone line*
I mean if NO CARDS TO DEAL WITH, NO SITES TO KEEP CHECKING FOR UPDATES. JUST WATCH YOUR TV. then why the cardreader buil in. plus woh ever wrote the page didn't replace your page title here with a title.

[gloryhole]

Tazspin, All good points. I wondered about the need for those features as well - especially the card reader. One individual using this board (Aldo) has ordered this product so I am anxiously awaiting his update when he gets it. If we do not receive an update, I'll be even more suspicious... If blackbird/silverbullet enforcer works with Charlie, it's not inconceivable to think a receiver COULD work with Dave but I'm not convinced just yet. Plus I'm not crazy about sending $225 US to the UK through a pay plan (BECASH) I have never heard of. Even though the testimonials include e-mail addresses, they could be made-up as well. There's nothing stopping someone from setting up several e-mail addresses.


those these few features in particular make me wonder
*Supports ‘over air’ download of new software*
*CONDITIONAL ACCESS NDS CA with smart card reader*
*Modem telephone line*
I mean if NO CARDS TO DEAL WITH, NO SITES TO KEEP CHECKING FOR UPDATES. JUST WATCH YOUR TV. then why the cardreader buil in. plus woh ever wrote the page didn't replace your page title here with a title.

[crippie]

I sent that site an E-mail asking for more info about the Item..ie software support...why a card reader...etc. haven't got a reply yet..Also have a question...UK sats use dss videoguard but a different version...is it concievable that a decryptor for us version has come around?

[crippie]

ok here's what i found out about that rec. here it is.

Brand: Manhattan
Model: Plaza ST

not sure if i can post a link to thehe site but here goes:

www.manhattan-digital.com

seems to be a scam...I could be wrong tho...just trying to stop the scams
PS if ya go here.. www.eurosat.co.uk ....same pictures on that site just they removed the words

[tazspin]

Damn good work crippie it is most definataly the manhattan plaza pictured and since their own website calls it a fta with no mention of recieving videogard and planetscript claims it is just for direct tv it must be a scam.

[just4funnc]

I just ordered the p4 p5 replacement fix it's a receiver


I talked to 3 people on the net who have it and swear by it


don't know but they said there watching tv now

you tell me

www.planetscript.

LOL LQQKS like a free to air receiver to me & you can buy a panset FTA receiver for about 180 bucks

[shopright]

LOL LQQKS like a free to air receiver to me & you can buy a panset FTA receiver for about 180 bucks

I say its a scam heres why they also was selling the matrix card no one has one I ordered 1 from customsatellitetv.com was listed in the top 100 sent 125.00 thru paypal 2 mo's ago got nada emailed no reply the site is owned by
About customsatellitetv@yahoo.com:

To protect your security, PayPal offers information on the status
of this member.

Seller Reputation: (1) Verified Buyers
Account Status: Unverified
Account Type: U.S. Premier
Account Creation Date: Jun. 18, 2003
PayPal Member For: 1 year

Member accepts all payments

Seller Reputation
The Seller Reputation Number measures how many Verified PayPal
members have paid that seller. New transactions are added 30
days after they occur, to ensure that the Reputation Number
reflects successful exchanges.

Account Status
U.S. Users are considered "Verified" if they have confirmed
the bank account they have added to their PayPal account.
Verification is a positive signal to the Community that a
user has complied with Community security measures.

Domain: customsatellitetv.com

Registrant
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Administrative
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Billing
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Technical
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

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Domain Name Servers:
ns1.iics.net
ns2.iics.net
I think he goes by a few names and offshore too and he could very well be mr planet too.

filed with paypal he pulled webpage closed all accounts paypal says wait till he starts up again and then they will persue it.

[gloryhole]

just4funnc, Not quite. The pansat FTA models "advertise" as working for FTA channels (of course) plus charlie and BEV. The product at planetscript.net is different in that it is "advertised" as working for DTV. Not saying here it is any different but that is the difference from pansat at least in terms of what they "say" it can do. Can a cardless receiver work on DTV? That's the million dollar question..

osI say its a scam heres why they also was selling the matrix card no one has one I ordered 1 from customsatellitetv.com was listed in the top 100 sent 125.00 thru paypal 2 mo's ago got nada emailed no reply the site is owned by
About customsatellitetv@yahoo.com:

To protect your security, PayPal offers information on the status
of this member.

Seller Reputation: (1) Verified Buyers
Account Status: Unverified
Account Type: U.S. Premier
Account Creation Date: Jun. 18, 2003
PayPal Member For: 1 year

Member accepts all payments

Seller Reputation
The Seller Reputation Number measures how many Verified PayPal
members have paid that seller. New transactions are added 30
days after they occur, to ensure that the Reputation Number
reflects successful exchanges.

Account Status
U.S. Users are considered "Verified" if they have confirmed
the bank account they have added to their PayPal account.
Verification is a positive signal to the Community that a
user has complied with Community security measures.

Domain: customsatellitetv.com

Registrant
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Administrative
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Billing
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Technical
john becker
john Becker
nitestalker212@yahoo.com
6567 hill st
township, new york 11001 US
+1.2127831245

Record created on May 20, 2003
Record last updated on March 18, 2004
Record expires on May 20, 2005

Domain Name Servers:
ns1.iics.net
ns2.iics.net
I think he goes by a few names and offshore too and he could very well be mr planet too.

filed with paypal he pulled webpage closed all accounts paypal says wait till he starts up again and then they will persue it.

[rafter94]

You never will get DTV from FTA reciver.......why?
you will need the ascii code in the card to decript the signal!

[rolandska2]

Can anyone say GX-Tech. all over again. When the P4 1st went down a little website called GX-Technologies poped up with a FTA reciever that received none other then DTV - Or so they said when I emailed them- They also said they sold hacked P4 cards(about $600). And according to USERS the cards DID work. So I did my homework AND asked Mili and as it turns out GX has been around for awhile. They give you a subscribed card with everything on it and then cancle a month later. As for the FTA receiver I'm not sure if they even sent anything at all to the poor suckers that paid. Their website was very professional looking- just goes to show that you can't judge a book by its cover.

So even IF Aldo comes back with a fantastic FTA story, I would go with what's proven and true... I just hate to see someone get takin like that.

[4x4]

Do a search for GX Technology's and see what you find here ...
I just hope that mili doesn't see it or he'll blow a brain gasket .. :D
GX Technology's is on his top 1 shit list !

[smilingjack]

Yes all us fellow Texans always know some fresh DTV Bullshit when we smell it!

Yea, All us Texans know bullshit so well cause if you'r not stepping in it it's comin outta somebody's mouth round here.

It's knee deep here on welfare island too

Well at least this draws people to the site, maybe some 'worthwhile' ones will stay.

Smilingjack,

[gloryhole]

That's $1,500 Canadian or roughly $125 U.S... :heads_or_

I will not reply to any questions or take anying flaming ,but P4 is hacked but not to the average hacker, there is a high frequency diode that is being bypassed on the card chip and then the card can be treated like a P3 FOR PROGRAMING PURPOSES,YOU NEED A HIGH powered microscope and alot of know how.
this comes from a good source,and they are being sold in canada for 1500 dollars.take it for what its worth!

[gloryhole]

Do you know what they sell at Canadian flea-markets? Dream-catchers and sunglasses. There is no p4 hack here "eh" (or should I say huh).

hers.Who's to say? We'll know in time.....
At least this makes more sense than people field-programming them at Canadian flea markets :rolleyes:

[gloryhole]

In defence of the Canadian flea market "industry", I did buy an analog cable descrambler at one that worked flawlessly for years. Nothing but boxing and porn. Then digital came. I enjoyed DTV for a year then we all got bitch-slapped by the P4 card.. :cool:

[QUOTE=gloryhole]Do you know what they sell at Canadian flea-markets? Dream-catchers and sunglasses. There is no p4 hack here "eh" (or should I say huh).

QUOTE]

[shiznitt]

i read this on another site but i didnt check it out and test it because my testing equipent is put away. please dont flame me for this as i know there is no hack out there, but they claim that you can read the card info with a programmer i guess. again please dont flame me check it out for your self.


accesscard.tv

[shiznitt]

sorry for the 2 posts there was an error when sent in.

[Chief]

I took a look at what they're talking about, Shiznitt....it's something I've seen before. It IS a step in the right direction, and is an interesting little proggy. It's a long, long ways from a hack...but progress is progress, and that's a good thing.
Thanks. :)

[shiznitt]

thanks for not flaming me hahaha i do agree that is a step, but i wish was alot faster at fixes dish net is not my favorite pass time or tv, but hey is free and is better then nothing at all. thanks again

[gloryhole]

The item on e-bay is called a digital filter or digital descrambler. They work but here's the catch. The action described below works. It will block your purchase of a PPV event but a digital box is two - way. If they cable company cannot "communicate " with your box (2-way) when they test the box (at least 3 times a month) they will shut it down till you call in. So the key is re-setting (erasing) your box after ordering an event then taking off the filter. If you are successful re-setting your box, you can enjoy free PPV. So yes the filter will block the ppv purchase from going back to your cable company but you can't just leave it on there and keep ordering because your box will freeze up.


I don't claim to know everything about electronics...but thinking back to high school electronics class...if I recall correctly a diode only allows electricity to pass through it in one direction. As far as frequencies are concerned I thought resistors and capacitors were for that but I may be wrong. So maybe there is a diode that only allows certain frequencies through it in one direction. You know what that reminds me of ? That device that you see for sale on E-bay that supposedly allows you to order as many Pay-Per-Views as you want without getting charged. I think that...just like this is BULLSHIT. But I may be wrong.

[smilingjack]

Finally found that fixer that ran off with the babysitter, my hu card and my money. Claimed he saw a P-4 hack down in Texas City and was going back in business. Let him know I was using dish now and didn't need him anymore, doin it myself. Then I 'pursuaded' him to give my money back. His fingers will be working again by the time they get a P-4 hack and he 'goes back in business' his legs might not though. Oh well it's a sit down job.

jack

[dozier100]

I will not reply to any questions or take anying flaming ,but P4 is hacked but not to the average hacker, there is a high frequency diode that is being bypassed on the card chip and then the card can be treated like a P3 FOR PROGRAMING PURPOSES,YOU NEED A HIGH powered microscope and alot of know how.
this comes from a good source,and they are being sold in canada for 1500 dollars.take it for what its worth!
the diode can be bought at Rat Shack for $2.39 just my 2 cents, thanks :asshole2:

[gloryhole]

I would gladly participate however $1 each would not even cover the cost of rub and tugs while in China.. :p

I say we all give $1 to Milli, have him fly to China with a briefcase full of P4 cards and ask some chinese social engineers to do it for us. $50 a programmer is the average pay over there per month.

[Dr Porn]

Just to throw my $.02 regarding the ever popular 'Hi-Freeq' Diode.... While a diode (read any p-n junction) does primarily conduct electricity in 1 direction, it is quite possible to run a diode backwards. This is known as reverse-biasing, or avalanche. When a high enough voltage is applied backward, this occurs allowing enormous amounts of current to flow (read smokes diode w/o some kind of current limiting). When a diode move from one state to another, it takes a finite amount of time...this is the frequency refered to for the diode. So one that can switch from the 'on' or fwd bias state to the off state very quicly is 'hi-frequency'. I don't know if this helps any, but it's nice to know that being forced to learn it wasn't a COMPLETE waste of time :)

[Dr Porn]

Just to throw my $.02 regarding the ever popular 'Hi-Freeq' Diode.... While a diode (read any p-n junction) does primarily conduct electricity in 1 direction, it is quite possible to run a diode backwards. This is known as reverse-biasing, or avalanche. When a high enough voltage is applied backward, this occurs allowing enormous amounts of current to flow (read smokes diode w/o some kind of current limiting). When a diode move from one state to another, it takes a finite amount of time...this is the frequency refered to for the diode. So one that can switch from the 'on' or fwd bias state to the off state very quicly is 'hi-frequency'. I don't know if this helps any, but it's nice to know that being forced to learn it wasn't a COMPLETE waste of time :)

[praetori]

I haven't posted before, and infact i just registered to reply to this message. I have been an avid reader of this forum and hobbiest for about a year now, but i hate to see people flame others because they themselves find a statement unbelieveable.

If you do a simple yahoo search (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22high+frequency+diode%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=fp-tab-web-t&cop=mss&tab=) you will see that high frequency diodes do exist, so i think that maybe these people should do a little research before flaming others. Also most of these people haven't had anything productive to say EVER, they are just sitting back while others do the work so they can get their free TV.

Nuff Said.

Keep up the good work........that goes out to the REAL workers of this hobby.

I to did a google just under high frequency diode "high frequency diode" and found many entres to view...there very well be something to this procedure? maybe!

[Dsswhiz]

P4 , P5 hack is in the making ......... not released yet......... i know of sum student and instructors at an undisclosed University in Canada that are currenly trying to hack the cards. So far they havent had any magor break threw.... but they are still working on it.... I guess we still have a few die hard Dave fans...........But from previous information from one of the instructor ........i dont thing getting a P5 running will be as simple as the HU or even the H was. Dave really has this one in a locked up vault ......... but dont loss faith .... it will be here.

[Flare-pit]

P4 , P5 hack is in the making ......... not released yet......... i know of sum student and instructors at an undisclosed University in Canada that are currenly trying to hack the cards.
Yeah, I've heard about guys at a University in the Canadian prairies that have (are working on) a P4 hack, but are waiting until Charlie and B*V are no longer hackable untle they release it. Just what I heard.

[Fro66er]

The term High Frequency diode probably is being used as a "generic" term for a specific diode. Diodes are rated as to their maximum switching frequency. There are high frequency diodes, some costing lots of cash. I just purchased a pair of matched diodes good up to 1.2Ghz for $40.00 (which is a fantastic price!)

Your TV's tuner section has a pair of high frequency diodes in the front end to prevent overload signals from damaging the rest of the tuner. If regular 1n914 diodes were used in the front end of your TV's tuner section, then when anyone keyed up a two-way radio above 150-200Mhz right under your antenna you could damage the RF tuner.

A high frequency diode could be a "shotky" diode or "tunnel" diode. Even certain varactor diodes can operate at high frequencies.

Now how bypassing a high frequency diode would allow you to program the P4, I don't know and kinda doubt it actually.........but you never know.

[Dsswhiz]

I'll try to keep the forum up to date on the hack as soon as its avalible.......but i would advise everyone who plain to get the p4/p5 hack to open a trust fund and start saving .......... because when its released its gonna cost a leg and a arm .... no kidding about that. Especally now that most people know how it feels to see a Porn channels and cant watch it because of the cost $ lol.......

[badbear2000]

I just came back fromf a trip tot he Dominican Republic. I have a friend there that is watching TV off the P5 card. He complained because he said that everytime iot went down it would take a few days to get it back up. He was not get 496 or 492 but was getting everything else. In order for this to be there has to be a fix but I cannot verify from where. Things over there are a little less complicated there than here. I just thought I would pass this on

[RoofleChicken]

I have a friend there that is watching TV off the P5 card. He was not get 496 or 492 but was getting everything else.


For him to be complaining about not getting Dish porn channels on a P5 (sic) card he must really have one hell of a hack going on down there....

Be Avis. Try harder.

[smilingjack]

Or a hell of a smoke, I hear they have some good shit down there, hehehe

[badbear2000]

He just told me he was not getting all the porn channels and I have been so use to getting dish network, I forgot the different channels. I will try to find out more about this fix

[badbear2000]

Also when I fam there, all I am looking at is the women

[biggs]

Take a peek at this guys:

http://id-discussions.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73973&page=1&pp=5

[smilingjack]

Nothing there, just a claim of a P dump

[biggs]

Yes this is true but its a start. One must open the door before entering...