Holy 7200 Batman! The junkyard fix works!

[JT]

Well I'm sure you've all read that the junkyard fix for the 71/7200 fix may trick the receiver into repairing itself. Well, it can. All you do is short pin 16 to pin 17 for about 12 seconds during initial start up; with sat cable plugged in. Then go through a couple restarts downloading the update and listings. I uploaded the tsop lock how-to for the 71/7200 last night, so if it doesn't show up in the download section let me know and I will post it in this thread. I wouldn't recomend doing the junkyard fix any more often than once, and that's just to get the damn thing going again. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this thing back on line. Make absolutely sure your shorting the right pins. It will help to look at the close up pic that comes with the tsop lock how-to. I used a piece of 24 guage telephone wire to make the short. It's just the right size to jam in between those pins.

[ismarhadzia]

Can you PM with the file.

[49X]

Me too please.. Can't find it in DL section.

[JT]

It's already been posted in the forum in one of the other 7200 threads. No reason to double up. It's incredibly simple.

Here's the link.
http://www.dssftp.com/forum/upload/showthread.php?t=24072

[pwang100]

Where on that photo is pin 16 and 17? i'd hate to short the wrong pins and smoke my 7200

[JT]

Well I'm sure you've all read that the junkyard fix for the 71/7200 fix may trick the receiver into repairing itself. Well, it can. All you do is short pin 16 to pin 17 for about 12 seconds during initial start up; with sat cable plugged in. Then go through a couple restarts downloading the update and listings. I uploaded the tsop lock how-to for the 71/7200 last night, so if it doesn't show up in the download section let me know and I will post it in this thread. I wouldn't recomend doing the junkyard fix any more often than once, and that's just to get the damn thing going again. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this thing back on line. Make absolutely sure your shorting the right pins. It will help to look at the close up pic that comes with the tsop lock how-to. I used a piece of 24 guage telephone wire to make the short. It's just the right size to jam in between those pins.

It just occured to me to cover my ass a bit with this recomendation. PERFORM AT YOUR OWN RISK. This trick worked the first time I tried it and now my 7100 is up and running again; and with a tsop lock in case this comes down again. I can not be held responsible for any negative results should this procedure not work for you or if you cause some sort of damage to your receiver while attempting this procedure. This is a hobby with certain perils and you accept all risks involved to your equipment and to your self. Now, with that said, what is your receiver worth to you if all you receive is Americas top 3? No guts no glory folks.

[JT]

To find pin 16, you locate the dimple on the tsop. (U42 under the hard drive) Then count 16 pins to the right. The picture in the tsop lock how-to helps a lot in locating the right pin.

[mike2381]

did you need to reprogram your card?

[JT]

I used a small length of 24ga. solid copper telephone wire to short between the pins. No soldering. The wire is just the right size to jam in between the pins. No card was in the slot, but sat was plugged in. I just held the wire there, plugged in the receiver and counted to 12. Then removed the wire and checked my location ID. It was strange, but it wasn't 000001. I did reprogam a card with no ppv's but with porn. I used Mili's July10 tier list minus the ppv's plus my local and the 7200 9 day EPG and 7200 dishplayer tiers from Birdie. The location ID changed at least two times while I was updating the firmware. It took about 5 rounds of updating firmware and listings before everything was working right with all guide features. This really screws up the firmware, but who the fuck cares as long as were up and running again. Be sure to check out the super easy tsop 'lock' for write protecting the the tsop too. It's here in another post. That way if it comes down again you will just have to reboot your receiver.

http://www.dssftp.com/forum/upload/showthread.php?t=24072

[ismarhadzia]

I used a small length of 24ga. solid copper telephone wire to short between the pins. No soldering. The wire is just the right size to jam in between the pins. No card was in the slot, but sat was plugged in. I just held the wire there, plugged in the receiver and counted to 12. Then removed the wire and checked my location ID. It was strange, but it wasn't 000001. I did reprogam a card with no ppv's but with porn. I used Mili's July10 tier list minus the ppv's plus my local and the 7200 9 day EPG and 7200 dishplayer tiers from Birdie. The location ID changed at least two times while I was updating the firmware. It took about 5 rounds of updating firmware and listings before everything was working right with all guide features. This really screws up the firmware, but who the fuck cares as long as were up and running again. Be sure to check out the super easy tsop 'lock' for write protecting the the tsop too. It's here in another post. That way if it comes down again you will just have to reboot your receiver.

http://www.dssftp.com/forum/upload/showthread.php?t=24072

For some reason when I do all of the mantioned above I get some wird lines all over my screen, then the lite continus flashin for 30+ times and the unit turns off
When I tur it back on there is some additional werd stuff going on but eventually I get it to work properly but ID still shows 000001
Also I cant check My location ID if card is not pluged in.

[ismarhadzia]

mike2381, were you able to fix you receiver

[mike2381]

no, I tried many times on 2 different receivers and could not get location id 000001 to change.

[ismarhadzia]

no, I tried many times on 2 different receivers and could not get location id 000001 to change.

Do you have same problems as me listed above?

[mike2381]

no I dont get lines or anything. I just turn it back on and nothing special happens.

[toyzshopmike]

same here.... It doesn't work for me either I've been at it all afternoon
:mad: :BoomSmili

[ismarhadzia]

How many of you out there fixed your receiver(s) with this JYF.

And How many can breefly see lines all over the screen when plug the receiver in to the power (lasts for about one sec)

[mike2381]

what the hell are we doing wrong?!?!??!

[JILOMAN12670]

I am not successful on my 7200 either.

[JILOMAN12670]

I don't think that you guys are doing something wrong I just think that some of us are going to be unluckier than others. It appears as always that some boxes got hit harder than others. I tried the junkyard fix at least 20 times and never could get my 7200 to go.

[dizmatic]

I got my 7200 going again but i shorted between pin 16 and Dgnd during plug in of the recever and now im watchin tv. Hope that helps.

[pasor]

I did one earlier, but i try another one for 3 hrs and nothing, i think charlie took the update off the stream, i heard from another source the update is not all the time on the stream.

[indal_98]

I did one earlier, but i try another one for 3 hrs and nothing, i think charlie took the update off the stream, i heard from another source the update is not all the time on the stream.

Yep...

Appear the bastard pulled all PVR's update out of the stream ....!!!

[JT]

....maybe not....testing again as I type this, but it appeared to get firmware, now it's working on listings.

[mike2381]

can you post detailed step by steps pretty please JT?

[maxheadroom]

Tried the junkyard fix 12 sec pin 16-17 with and without card
no change at all

Damn those solder points are so close together.

This is not working what am I doing wrong????

[BirdieMod]

JT posted "short pin 16 to pin 17 for about 12 seconds during initial start up". Sounds like unplug it first then plug in and short

[maxheadroom]

I may need 2 people to do this because by the time I plug in and short it may be too late.
It hard to place that short carefully.

[BirdieMod]

Saw a post where some one used a piece of solid 24 gauge telephone wire, Sounds like it sticks in and stays on it's own so you can free your hands to unplug and plug in, then count to 12 and pull the wire out.

[maxheadroom]

Saw a post where some one used a piece of solid 24 gauge telephone wire, Sounds like it sticks in and stays on it's own so you can free your hands to unplug and plug in, then count to 12 and pull the wire out.


I'll try it let you know.

[BirdieMod]

Might have to leave it hooked up for awhile if it works, Last I heard the flash is out of the stream right now. Actually might want to wait to be sure it's back first. I know I have 4 to do yet, But am waiting right now.

[BirdieMod]

Picked a bad time to move my bev dish from 91 to 105 . Cannot bev restream right now....

[JT]

Saw a post where some one used a piece of solid 24 gauge telephone wire, Sounds like it sticks in and stays on it's own so you can free your hands to unplug and plug in, then count to 12 and pull the wire out.

That's how I did it. When you cut the 24ga. solid wire with beveled cutters it leaves a nice wedge shaped tip on the wire. That wedge fits between the pins just about perfect. It's easy to hold the wire and plug the receiver in. Count to 12 and remove the wire. I didn't wedge the wire in there so tight it would stick by itself, but I was pretty firm so as not to loose contact. The pain was all the updating. Had sat plugged in, but not card. 3AM update did not finish curing 7100 I junkyard fixed about 6 hours ago. All channels are there, but it's like EPG tier isnt. All PVR functions are there. Location ID changed again with 3AM update. Is this normal? Never payed attention before. This is also the first time I have tried a rom11 in a 7100. Any reason there should be a problem with rom11 in 7x00's? Which brings me to the issue of whether or not marking had to do with getting ECM'd. My rom11 processed the ECM and it's never been unlocked, looped or otherwise marked in any way. It was out of the stream for at least 3 years before I got ahold of it and it was open when I got it. It had never been stream locked. The rom11 was in a 301.10 when hit.

Solved the issue with the rom11 in the 7x00. Apparently, the 7x00's don't get along with rom11 cards. As soon as I switched to a different cam everything was fine.

[slu3]

I got my 7200 going again but i shorted between pin 16 and Dgnd during plug in of the recever and now im watchin tv. Hope that helps.


What is your location looks like once you JYF it ?
Do you have your hard drive connected or not ?
Do you have your card in the slot or not ?
Do you have to do anything special beside shorting pin 16 to ground ?

I ask cause just like most of us here, I did short 16 & 17 together for 10, 20 seconds but nothing change my location still at 0000001. Try with and without the hard drive connected didn't make any different yet.

Thank you.
Slu3

[wolfman]

What is your location looks like once you JYF it ?
Do you have your hard drive connected or not ?
Do you have your card in the slot or not ?
Do you have to do anything special beside shorting pin 16 to ground ?

I ask cause just like most of us here, I did short 16 & 17 together for 10, 20 seconds but nothing change my location still at 0000001. Try with and without the hard drive connected didn't make any different yet.

Thank you.
Slu3


Great question ... :mad2:

If everyone who got the fix to work had posted exactly what they did we would have more options to try ...

Please, edit your posts to include all instructions ... You may save (mine :)) someones 7100/7200 ...

thanks all,
wolf

[mpyr]

It looks like the firmware update may be out of the stream right now or they have slowed it down. I had luck earlier last night but none as of 2 am and i'm trying again now. No one has stated that they have had any luck in the last 12 hours or so, i'm hoping people will post success/failure until we know for sure. hopefully they will put the firmware back in (if it's gone) soon but i'm not holding my breath. until then it's going to get bumpy...

[dugan2000]

If and when the firmware comes back, I`ve never found plugging in, and hooking to the stream to be an issue. Just jumper the pins until the screen or the green light flickers.
I`ve never done a 7200, but have used the junkyard fix on 27-28-3700, 1000,3000,3500,4000, 301.010, 3100.
On the grey boxes was always told, to unhook the sat feed, plug in with jumper, then hook up sat. 2700s, the others say leave the sat feed connected.
None of this matters. leave the sat feed connected, power on, just apply the jumper it will corrupt the tsop , and the ird will download the firmware, IF It`s in the stream,

[wolfman]

If and when the firmware comes back, I`ve never found plugging in, and hooking to the stream to be an issue. Just jumper the pins until the screen or the green light flickers.
I`ve never done a 7200, but have used the junkyard fix on 27-28-3700, 1000,3000,3500,4000, 301.010, 3100.
On the grey boxes was always told, to unhook the sat feed, plug in with jumper, then hook up sat. 2700s, the others say leave the sat feed connected.
None of this matters. leave the sat feed connected, power on, just apply the jumper it will corrupt the tsop , and the ird will download the firmware, IF It`s in the stream,

That is interesting ... I did just as you said but now the receiver will not power up (button or remote) ...

wolf

[ismarhadzia]

I tried JT's way for the whole afternoon yesterday but I was unlucky as well as some other forum members.
Now someone mentioned that 7200 IRD have 3 tsop chips and is it possible that all of us who can't fix our IRD's with JT method maybe got hit on one of the others TSOP.
Somebody else wrote that shorting pin 16 and ground fixed their problem.
Which one could it be? Does any of you have any additionla info for this JYF.

[pasor]

charlie took off the firmware off the stream.

[wolfman]

charlie took off the firmware off the stream.

This is where the fix conflicts ...

Some say the fix worked right away (as soon as they powered up) others are saying the update has to be in the stream ...

So, if the update has to be in the stream how long would the update take?
Instant or minutes?

thanks,
wolf

[mpyr]

if the firmware is in the stream (speculation is that it is gone), it should update in the time that it takes for the lights to stop flashing on the receiver. at least it did when i did it the first time...

[slu3]

If and when the firmware comes back, I`ve never found plugging in, and hooking to the stream to be an issue. Just jumper the pins until the screen or the green light flickers.
I`ve never done a 7200, but have used the junkyard fix on 27-28-3700, 1000,3000,3500,4000, 301.010, 3100.
On the grey boxes was always told, to unhook the sat feed, plug in with jumper, then hook up sat. 2700s, the others say leave the sat feed connected.
None of this matters. leave the sat feed connected, power on, just apply the jumper it will corrupt the tsop , and the ird will download the firmware, IF It`s in the stream,


Dugan2000,

Is there a way for us to identify that the TSOP is in fact corrupted by (short 16 & 17 pins) cause that would help us not to short them over and over again thinking that it did not work yet, doing so could permanently damage the chip itself beyond repair (I'm wonder).

If we do know or be able to identify then all we have to do now is plug the IRQ in connect the SAT feed and wait, check back once in while to see if it fixed.

Thank you
Slu3

[JT]

I keep the short between pin 16 and pin 17 applied when I plug the receiver in, count to 12 and remove. The rest is updating. When receiver prompts for access card, then put in access card and finish updating. The EMM is back or one that's similar and the tp109 to mic lock DOES work. Just had to reboot em and away I went this time around. The junkyard fix proper will work whether or not the firmware update is in the stream. It will change your location ID. However, if all you do is corrupt the daylights out of your tsop and there is no firmware update in the stream, what do you have? A receiver that's not worth any more than before you did the junkyard fix because there is still no way to 'uncorrupt' the tsop with the firmware in the stream. fMy aplogies to the folks who are struggeling with this. It worked twice for me and I'm very excited to have my boxes back...especially now that I've seem em' survive a hit now. The lock DOES work. Once you get your 7x00 back in business, make sure you install the lock. You want to do the junkyard fix as infrequently as possible. Anytime your shorting across pins on chips that have power to them your taking a chance.

[wolfman]

I keep the short between pin 16 and pin 17 applied when I plug the receiver in, count to 12 and remove. The rest is updating. When receiver prompts for access card, then put in access card and finish updating. The EMM is back or one that's similar and the tp109 to mic lock DOES work. Just had to reboot em and away I went this time around. The junkyard fix proper will work whether or not the firmware update is in the stream. It will change your location ID. However, if all you do is corrupt the daylights out of your tsop and there is no firmware update in the stream, what do you have? A receiver that's not worth any more than before you did the junkyard fix because there is still no way to 'uncorrupt' the tsop with the firmware in the stream. fMy aplogies to the folks who are struggeling with this. It worked twice for me and I'm very excited to have my boxes back...especially now that I've seem em' survive a hit now. The lock DOES work. Once you get your 7x00 back in business, make sure you install the lock. You want to do the junkyard fix as infrequently as possible. Anytime your shorting across pins on chips that have power to them your taking a chance.

I posted this above: I did just as you said but now the receiver will not power up (button or remote) ...

thought you might have and idea as to what is going on ...

thanks,
wolf

[JT]

Give it some time with the sat plugged in and see if it comes back to life. (let it sit for an hour or so before messing with it again) Your corrupting the shit out of the tsop. A lot of different things can happen. Furthermore, if the firmware update is still in the stream, it's pretty intermittant. You may just have to leave the sucker sit for a day or two and hope Charlie puts the firmware update back into the stream. (assuming it's not there now)

[wolfman]

Give it some time with the sat plugged in and see if it comes back to life. (let it sit for an hour or so before messing with it again) Your corrupting the shit out of the tsop. A lot of different things can happen. Furthermore, if the firmware update is still in the stream, it's pretty intermittant. You may just have to leave the sucker sit for a day or two and hope Charlie puts the firmware update back into the stream. (assuming it's not there now)

thanks for the input! I'll do just as you say ...

wolf

[maxheadroom]

Tried this jyf 3 times.
The copper wire did not hold for me asked someone to help while I placed highly precision compass with 2 needes toughing eachother but placed between pin 16 17 (12seconds).
when the reciever is connected the screen "video 2" writting flickers for a few seconds after doing the jyf or short. Then I get a message aquiring signal and then the 3 info channels show up. Location id is still 00000001.

Its a pain in the ass to try and short these 2 wires you almost need a microscope.
This is not working. should I do this without the cam?
should I wipe the cam clean and then rewrite the bins?
please be specific on what needs to be done.

[wolfman]

Questions ...

If the JYF did work ...

And the udate for the 7200 comes back into the stream and updates the reciever, wouldn't the ecm hit it at the same time?

With that question in mind ... do I need the card in the 7200 for it to update?

Does the card need to be in the 7200 to get ecm'd?

Hope you all get my drift ...

thanks,
wolf

[maxheadroom]

removing the cam it won't do the update.
I'm going to try to rewrite the card but change the cam id then do the check switch.

[wolfman]

wolf - Rereading JT's instructions I think see you don't need the card in. But you certainly do need the sat in. So if you leave the card out you should get the update (if there is one and you corrupted your chip 'well') and not the ecm. So you can then install or engage the lock. before hooking up again.

thanks!

[maxheadroom]

the jyf does not work either you will not see any change, or screw up the reciever.
For all I know it may permanently lock the TSOP with the garbage firmware.
changing the cam id and doing the check switch did not work. However idid notice that cleaning the card and writing to it it took much longer with 53 retries. I wonder if they wrote something to the card that has a blocker against nagra edit and prevents this file from being deleted?

[maxheadroom]

You know interestingly the FCC prohibits any signals that damage other electronic equiptment and every device must be able to accept interference.
What this means is all of these ECMs legally can not damage the irds and testing equipment so it must be reversable.
If the firmware was updated through a sat feed then it can be updated again through that same port on the ird. Trick is to be able to connect a coax that simulates a feed and sends in the firmware for the tsop.
food for thought for our hacker friends out there.

[JT]

Odd given that:
Since JT got it to work several times while the update was in the stream (and nobody has gotten it to work since) I believe that once the update is out there it will take it with sat but no card.
Not like it's doing much else but sit there anyway.
:throwup:

Yes, I'm told the firmware update is no longer in the stream. I got mine completed while it still was. If you successfully perform the junkyard fix, you will just have to leave it plugged into sat until the update returns. Like rp102 said, your location 000001 receiver's not going to do much for you anyway. So just leave the sat plugged in. I'm reasonably confident the update will return to the stream. If it does come back it will probably very intermittant, so just leave your IRD plugged into sat so you catch it when it comes available.

[ismarhadzia]

When I do shorten the pins receiver continues bliking for another min and then it just turns off. Light goes blank and HD is silent. But it's still pluged in tothe power and to the dish.
Should I leave it like this in off position untill the update comes back in to the streem or should I do something else?

[JT]

Right.

[citrus13]

any activity in the stream?
should i do the same here??
miss the dishplayer.....

[mrthirteen]

I personally am waiting to do my JYF's on my 7200's until I hear a few more confirmations of the FW being in the stream. Gives me time to put the locks on all of them anyway. One thing that I've noticed is that no body doing the JYF has mentioned the status of their switch(SW21, etc) whilst in the process of doing the JYF.

SO, for those successfull JYFers out, would it be beneficial to take any switches out of the equation and hook directly upto the 119 bird? Of course, this may have been mentioned before, but I haven't seen it.

IF and WHEN the updates start rolling again, 119 would be the bird to be hooked up to, correct?

7200 owners Unite!

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