ECM Briefing 7/23/04

[Chief]

OK, folks...here's an update on what's going on - based on facts, opinions, wild-ass guesses and outright bullshit... :D

Charlie laid 4 EMM's on us today, around 1PM. They were still in the stream earlier this evening, however, I'm not sure about right now, at midnight CDT.

We know this much:

The target areas were:
1) Emulators/loggers
2) PPV Strings
3) CAMID's
4) Blockers

The inability to accurately log these EMM's is playing hell with the coders in their search to find out specifically how these areas are being targeted. Simply put, what's happening is the EMM's are looking at certain addresses on the CAM (your card) - checking the values there - if they are not what they should be, a CMD $64 is instantly sent to your receiver, resulting in the dreaded LocID 0000001.....

Apparently some of these EMM's are real....others fake....some pass the ECM to the receiver, others don't...and since logging them has been a problem (due to a stubborn opcode) we haven't been able to properly assess and counter them at this point in time.
It's a mess, and a no-shit situation. Brother Charlie has thrown down the gauntlet on this one....

I'm beta-testing some blockers and experimental PPV strings at this time to see if they have any effect...but to be honest, it's just educated guesswork. The truth is that we just don't have all the information needed for a true fix.

One suggestion, as mentioned before, is to write tier lists to your cards containing NO PPV's, NO porn, nothing in the 450-60 area.. apparently lots of folks have had some success doing so. Not a fix, but better than nothing.

I wrote these homemade lists in TierGen and have been "up" since Tuesday, and was unaffected by today's onslaught. Try them, if you like - please post any results if you do, good or bad. There's one for rom3's, and one for rom10's. If you can't handle Dallas locals, tough. :p

If the experimental PPV string holds, we'll post it.

[JT]

What a generous and informative post. Thanks Chief.

[purplefrost]

Chief

On Black Sunday One of Daves hits was an expired tier (PBS).
Is it possable that Charlie has updated a tier but still left the old one
active as a target. Wild guess as I am new to dish.

[Cimba]

Ya got it right JT, thanx for all of us here.

[tbull]

Any suggestions for the peeps who are left without rom3's because they are looped, just sit tight and wait Chief?!?

[sukh77]

Thanks for keeping us posted Chief. 1 Suggestion, I'm trying as we speak. Im gonna try a rom2 with no ppv and no blocker. This should eliminate any PPV doubts and blockers doubts. They might get me for a camid. It's getting late so I will have to post results in the morning.

On another note lets stop fliping charlie off, cause he is really pissed. Just kidding probably doesn't even effect him.

[c55t66]

I have a 3900 that went 153 on Tuesday, so I pulled the card and turned off the IRD, but didn't unplug it. When I turned it back on several hours later, I noticed my LOC ID was not set to 0000001, so I put my card back in, ran a checkswitch and I was back in business.
Well, I was back in business until about 2:00 EST thursday, when I went 153 again. I can pull my card and reinsert it, run checkswitch and watch for about an hour. Then I see the 153 message again.
My LOC ID is still not 0000001, so i don't think it is a hit on the IRD. I am leaning towards a check against my CAM ID.

If it is my CAM ID, is there a way to block a check for this? I don't have a subbed ROM3 to pull a CAM ID from.

[drzoolk]

Will give it a try. I did a tsop restore around tuesday or so and left all tiers inclucding ppv and porn was just hit again today. I want to try it without the ppv and porn however, not sure which file you wrote is for rom 3 and how to apply it. Please advise. thx

[BirdieMod]

R00 IRD number is involved with this one. That is the element causing confusion between reports of what works and not

I see
1 blacklisted cams
2 PPV hit
3 Blocker hit
4 IRD hit
All IRDs that are on file not supposed to be getting what they are getting is the only pattern so far I can see.

1-4 covers it, Yes I know a BS PPV is getting written, It's part of 4 then 2 in my theory right now// Heck I could be wrong.....

[md2020]

Charlie is paying for this one...


*hint*
some legits getting hit... and of course what is happening >:)
get it?


time to dump old eq and get your free replacements >:) man they fck up big time...
just a fore thought *snicker*

[BirdieMod]

I had over 200 calls today from legits down, Mostly PVR's

[BirdieMod]

Do not take that wrong, I bought into the local dealership a year ago to get trade ins to hack and sell, That was the reason behind it.

[drzoolk]

R00 IRD number is involved with this one. That is the element causing confusion between reports of what works and not

I see
1 blacklisted cams
2 PPV hit
3 Blocker hit
4 IRD hit
All IRDs that are on file not supposed to be getting what they are getting is the only pattern so far I can see.

1-4 covers it, Yes I know a BS PPV is getting written, It's part of 4 then 2 in my theory right now// Heck I could be wrong.....

Just not getting it. How is the ep3 file applied. does it get written to the card some how.?

[BirdieMod]

I do not get the quote part,
But your question is answered/
EP3 is a Patch file, Not a full bin or card image.
Where are you at Dr on this and I'll help out

[drzoolk]

Since I was hit today with ECM. I have 501 receiver. I am planning to erase appropriate SA address. After ECM do I need to re-program the magic card? Lastly I do not know where to apply the ep3 patch. Do I write it to the magic card program somehow.

I am just trying to drop ppv and porn so I am less of a target.

Lastly, if you will be so kind the moderator wrote two patches. one for rom 3 and the other for rom 10. These are the ep3 patches I have bee referring to. Is the first for rom 3?

thanks for your patience.

[drzoolk]

Sorry. these are the files sticky posted that I am referring to. I assume these patches eliminate ppv and porn. I am not sure which is for rom 3 and where or how to patch it.

Attached Files
DishTiersNoPPV072004.zip (722 Bytes, 61 views)
DishTiersNoPPV072204.zip (771 Bytes, 65 views)

[BirdieMod]

Yes, Card will need to be redone as something on it did not pass the emm64 stream packets causing the receiver to be "Hit"

I did not look at Chiefs files posted, I have a different way I do it, But Chief is a long time outstanding good moderator and I trust him.

Let me find and look at those files quick so I can be of more help. BRB in this thread DR

[drzoolk]

thanks again, I did not mean to cause extra work. I will take whatever works. No dis-respect to Chief. Just whatever is easier for you.

[BirdieMod]

No problem. I did a little writing and made up a mc that should stay up for you. Use the manual mode entering these min max tiers only and should be fine.
This is top 180 and hbo to encore and should not be a target

[BirdieMod]

0001-002d
08fc-0a82
0258-0294
003c-f800
0040-f800
00cc-f800
00d2-e000
00c8-e000
00d6-c000
00e8-00fa

[JT]

Thanks for the tiers Birdie. I just converted a 301.10 to 3100 and reaimed my dave dish. Now I have BEV to fall back on too. It's really easy. In my case, I just erased SA3 on flash 1 (you know, like on Birdies sig. Converting is the same as ECM fixing). Don't forget to do switch check. And HOLY COW does BEV have a lot of porn...glad I went to the effort now....as I reach for the lube......

[Chief]

Mornin', everybody.... :)
Thanks for the MC tiers, Birdie. I'm not running one at this time, and sometimes I forget how many members we have that depend upon them. Didn't mean to leave anyone out... :(

TBull, as to your question about looped Rom3's, that was a different animal from this one, of course...and I've heard a couple reports from people claiming to be able to unloop them.
This can't be confirmed - at least by me - so be very careful. Sounds like a golden opportunity for a scam. Get some feedback before you trust your card to anyone making this claim. It IS being looked into, so if you were a loop victim, hang in there. There's always hope.

Sukh77, hope you fix your problem...but I've heard reports of Rom2's with no PPV and blocker going down, too. Removing the porn and a few other tiers might help, however. HEAVY emphasis on the MIGHT :rolleyes:

Birdie, I too have heard the ReceiverID theory. Good possibility - I for sure can't say one way or another - but one thing I don't understand is why would Charlie target John Doe's 301.013, and leave Jane Doe's 301.013 alone...especially when they were running identical programming on their cards........that would tend to make one think it's a CAMID issue, which is exactly what a lot of people are claiming it is...

And there's no end to this speculation - if you go on the CAMID theory, saying that Charlie is hitting any CAM that doesn't belong - then why did you get 200 calls from legit subbers?
Oh, me - I have a feeling we're all going to be spending lots of time at the PC here in the next few days :eek:

Until someone can accurately log and interpret those EMM's, we're all trying to jet set without a jet....

OK, off to the auction - I'll be checking in around 2 or so. I fully expect a fix upon my return, so get your asses to work :D

[dagowv]

A friend of mine is running 3 receivers. One receiver has whats called a "programmable lock" installed and he says its the only receiver that has been unaffected at the 2 different ECM's this week.

I have saw a picture of it, its very small and has to be soldered of course to the IRD. I am going to his place this weekend to check this out.

[fifthwind]

Thanks for the NOPPV patch, Chief. New to this, haven't learned to write my own tiers yet. I patched my ROM3 bin with the NOPPV patch, and am back up with CEMU. Thanks again. Who needs PPV and porn anyway, all I watch is sportscenter and the weather channel....LOL

[kadak]

i guess stell know luck on the emm 64 yet, i stell haven't been able to get it keep me post birdiemod. thanks bud

[skinerd]

A friend of mine is running 3 receivers. One receiver has whats called a "programmable lock" installed and he says its the only receiver that has been unaffected at the 2 different ECM's this week.

I have saw a picture of it, its very small and has to be soldered of course to the IRD. I am going to his place this weekend to check this out.

I have programmable locks on a 301-010 and a -013, both just reboot and come back to the same channel they were on when hit. Beats the do-do out of erasing and restreaming................

[t160hq]

dagowv that sounds like one of the autorest locks. They are affected by the ECM you just don't notice it as much.

All mine have them and with the exception of three of them I'm testing fix's with the locks off all are still running with the occacional reset. No changes made to any of them. I run em off for testing fixes because they work so well you have to watch tv to actually see the reset or you don't know they have been hit.

So far it's only been a problem for about 1 to 3 hours on two days every 20 minutes to an hour. This will of course change if charlie decides to hit every 20 minutes all day. He will also show his hand so to speak and the fix will be fast and accurate at that point.

So far on all three test units leaving all info the same on my cams (rom3 and 2 rom10's)
The ecm has been stopped by removing the PPV. Best recommendation I can make for others trying to keep it going is do your tests in a logical manner. Don't change several things at once. Just one at a time and try it. The best way is one receiver kept as it was before the hits started as a control. And expermient with two others changing only one thing at a time. For those with only one or two receivers leave everything as it was and just don't watch tv during the hits. Fix the receiver and remove the added oc and ob tiers on the cam then wait a few hours and start watching again. I'm afraid you will have to wait till something is found out. Ride it out until a fix is found so to speak.

And since charlie is being stingy with the hit. Don't think the latest change fixed it. You got such a short window to actually test it. He likely pulled the hit just to give a false sense of confidence in your latest change. Give it a couple days before posting a this worked for me type post.

This is not going to be a fixed in a day type hit. Until charlie starts hitting every 20 minutes to a hour it's mostly educated guesswork as to what won't get hit. Testing the theroy could be over a period of days at the current hit rate. He could also be changing targets as well. So a right guess today for the hit may not work at all two days later.

Also bear in mind that only two hits have been done so far. And those only for a few hours two days apart. The plan seems to be to get testers running around like a chicken with their head cut off. Making so many changes they forget where they started or miss a step and mess everything up. So he seems not to want to show his hand since he knows full well this is a simple fix as soon as the pro's know what he's doing.

t160hq

[crawfish]

I have a 501 with an AR105-c lock.. running a MC in Rom 10 wide open.. I get a message every once in a while that says "serious problem with receiver".. i unplug it and it comes back fine for a few hours.. other thing that is weird is that I lost all the recordings on the PVR.. oh well.. beats having to jtag it.. I am thinking tha lock needs an update as well as the MC..

[Qrash]

Just another update ... all on vid-modded DP301.013s:
1. All my MC implementations were hit (again) on 22-July ... running Camless-Rom10 and with no PPV.
2. NONE of my YvousEmu (Rom3) emulations were hit and again sailed through without a blip. I had previously reported that one of my YvousEmu emulations had been hit on 21-July, but it was the one with the DISH381.BIN file modified to include PPVs and Events. I now only run with the virgin (no tiers added) DISH381.BIN file ... Qrash

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[halfsjj]

0001-002d
08fc-0a82
0258-0294
003c-f800
0040-f800
00cc-f800
00d2-e000
00c8-e000
00d6-c000
00e8-00fa

Birdie,

I don't mean to sound like an idiot, but I do not quite understand how to write this manual codes. Can you give a brief explanation or point me where to find out how? I would love to give it a try and very much appreciate your post.

Thanks,

[monster2]

For whatever it is worth:

I am running a 2800 with a Rom 10. I used YATM to create a patch which includes the top 180 and with Porn selected. I am using NOMORE64-7 blocker and all is still good.

I did get hit also the other day. I did a full erase and flash on the receiver. The only thing different this time is I left off the MLB, PPV and event strings.

PS: Generated Cam ID with Scammer V2. Still good 3 days later.

[hlonipha]

what i can't understand is how is charlie writting to the cams if blockers are supposed to be locking cards tight.

cause if not bogus tier to cam= no ecm does anyone knows what holes are open on current blockers ?

[el loco]

ok I beleive that the ecm is no longer in the stream because everything its working fine again, I have a lock on my receivers and they have not gone down since 5 this morning...

[dizmatic]

my locked 7200 just froze up for bout 3min not sure if it was another ecm or just ird actin up. Cuz normally it reboots then dl's tv info when a hit comes down.

[SecurityRisk]

Just noticed something that might be of interest. I have a 501 that up until this recent round of ecms was getting hit DAILY. I figured it was because of the older style locks I have on it - so all I had to do was power it off then back on - still a pain. So for the past two months I've been leaving the locks off - and all has been well until this week obviously. After the first hit, and after reprogramming - I put them back on - here is the interesting part - Since this first started this week I am not getting the ecm that targets the older style lock - just the same one that everyone else is. I know this because the lock ecm acts differently with the ird than the normal type of ecm we are seeing now. Not sure if Charlie doesn't care about the lock ecm now that he is tartgeting something else OR if he's stretching himself so thin he can't handle both. Either way its a piece of info I didn't see out there - and figured I'd mention in case it was at all valuable.

[boaterbub]

ok I beleive that the ecm is no longer in the stream because everything its working fine again, I have a lock on my receivers and they have not gone down since 5 this morning...


I've been hit twice this morning since 6. Last hit on a 2700 and 2800 with Rom3s about 20 minutes ago. I generated new CAMIDs with Scammer V2. No PPV stings. Maybe just unlucky with CAMIDs.

[dwdw]

Dizmatic
What lock do you use on the 7200? Is it the mic jack- that is the only one I know about. If its another could you post the type and where it was gotten from.
Thank You
dwdw

[Six Dart Out]

What blocker are you running with those tier patches Chief?

[jimmyhat]

man oh man am i feeling the heet!!!! i been getting hit once every 45 minutes. have a 301.013 with softlock. i know it has nothing to do with the card and tiers cause i have cleaned the card down to just the top 150, and still get busted every time. the eroor code is 153, so i here that that code means it was a tsop hit. i wonder if the correlation could be with the softlock?

[CRASHER]

The latest update from checksum is getting hit more often then the old one. I tried without the PPV, still the same. I will try previous blocker, which does hold longer, without PPV

[CRASHER]

ok I beleive that the ecm is no longer in the stream because everything its working fine again, I have a lock on my receivers and they have not gone down since 5 this morning...
What blocker you are using?

[Dss4real]

Here is what I heard and seen that this ECM is doing

Look at your cards today, after you get hit (if you do)...see if you see this tier. This is what I was talking about.

!Add 0B 22 010130FF00080000000000001C470000007FFF8000FF000800
FF0008000000000000

There are reports of this tier being seen on "hit" cards today...

This appears to be an out of range PPV tier (65280)...just what the stream needs to ECM the crap out of your IRD...


NOw here is the new ops being sent

First pair:

89 48 97 33 A8 A8 A6 CD
3A CE 66 AD 61 CA 2F B5

Second pair:

C8 1E 9A 1B 03 81 50 21
7F CB 60 A9 79 06 5B 58

Here is what they are doing...

the first emm is using the blocker's deny $64 command to flag cam and write an 0B ppv tier. The next emm is checking for 0B tier and ecm ird. location 01

Will need updated blockers to beat this emm 0B tier write. This is what we need to do to fix the issue. If we allow the $64 code that is giving the flag and writing the "Poison Tier as we call it" then we will be open for the cards to get Looped like in the hit that took out alot of cards monthes ago.

Hopefully this info will give you a idea what the problem is and what is needed to get us fixed.

[mp3thief]

Hey all. I've been reading all of these posts for the last two days while getting hit like hell every 20-40 minutes. I've done several several different things to try and keep it up with no luck. I KNOW I've got a subbed cam id written in all three places on my rom 2. I took off all ppv, east and west network channels, movie channels, and porn. Stripped it down to top 180 and my locals---still getting hit. My question is this: Does anyone else, Chief you especially, have any thoughts on BirdieMod's post about the ird thing?

R00 IRD number is involved with this one. That is the element causing confusion between reports of what works and not

I see
1 blacklisted cams
2 PPV hit
3 Blocker hit
4 IRD hit
All IRDs that are on file not supposed to be getting what they are getting is the only pattern so far I can see.

1-4 covers it, Yes I know a BS PPV is getting written, It's part of 4 then 2 in my theory right now// Heck I could be wrong.....

Because to me the IRD's not on file seems to be the only thing left.

By the way my setup is two 3900's with matching boxkeys and a single rom 2 that I use between the two of them. I no longer subscribe to dish so the IRD thing seems very plausible. Any info greatly appreciated.

[Chief]

What blocker are you running with those tier patches Chief?
Well, just back from a 400 mile road trip, and none of you experts have a fix. I AM depressed... :p :D

SixDart, I'm running Mili's private blocker. Again, this "blocker" is actually a spoof - making the card appear as a REV383 or an A23 when it's actually something different, like a REV 372 or A16. The stream leaves it alone because it sees no reason to update a current revision.

I have had not one flinch since Tuesday at 4PM, on either of my receivers. The 013 went down at that time, the 501 was hit but rebooted without a rewrite. I'll review once more what I'm running -
1) 301.013 single, VidMod, no lock, hard or soft, Rom10, valid subbed CAMID, homemade tier list with no porn or events, experimental PPV string, and Mili's PB
2) PVR501, Digital Lock, Rom3, valid subbed CAMID, same homemade tier list WITHOUT the PPV string, and PB.

[mp3thief]

Another thing I just noticed. Crasher's last two posts have my IP address and ISP posted in this thread. What's up with that--so not cool.

[Cimba]

Apparently you only see your own, everyone that looks sees their own, not yours.

[mp3thief]

oh good that's all I need is that info getting out. lol

[hackdaddy]

for what it's worth, has anyone considered the channel the IRD was on when the ECM came down?

I see where some are saying the CAM, but I know PPV for sure is hitting one of my IRD's... ONLY when I am watching PPV channels. If I leave it on 205, it will stay up, until I go up above 501...

Just a thought...

[md2020]

Chief ....
A Couple Admend...

You Are Getting Callls From Legits Because Charlie Screwed The Ecm
-
You Post A Max On Tier Of 0a82 I Prefer 0590 Or 0592
0a82 Is Too Wide Open >:)

-
Try No Blockers - Generic 60 (america 60) With The Tier You Want
I Posted A Simple Menu System That Allows You To Emu This Heres Why.....
Charlies See......


1) You Have Generic Sub Card
2) You Have Extend Tier Specificallly For One Chan. (the One You Want At The Moment)
3) You Have Paid Only For That Specific Channal Etc.

When You Want Locals - To Watch You Menu Select It...
Same With That Particular Hob-etc Porn Or Special Event
-
Sooo To Charlie
You Are Generic 60 Sub - You Purchase 1 Item
Nothing Is Excessive....since Most People Dont Buy More Than 1 Ptv Event At The Same Time Etc.....
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I Been Running This Dynamic Emu - Since 2001
Yes I Use The 380.bin
Yes I Have A Ton Of Batch Files.. Which Essentially Do This.....

1.bat
Copy 1.bat (load Porn 495) Into Bin Dir Over Main .bin
Toad - *yes I Remod Toad And That Is My Exe.*


Menu Is Bacially A Selection List I Choose And It Calls The Bat Files.....

Granted I Get The Pause Before My Station Loads.....

Also I Never Lock -
Hope This Helps

[t160hq]

Been playing with tiers all day. 0B's that is. Converted them to 08's no luck. Played with ranges no go. Only thing I have had work is just what MD2020 is describing making a OB just for one event. That dosen't seem to get hit.

And if you want to see something intresting change all the IRD status bytes to 09. It just starts filling up the data space on the cam with tiers. Not the bogus OC and OB tiers the hit uses. O8 tiers. Running one now to see what happens when it runs out of space. LOL.
So far no hit though.

t160hq

[alchemist]

Here's something interesting, don't no if it's relavant or not....

There is a particular show I wanted to watch this evening on a regular non-premium channel. I tried creating a blank bin for CEMU that contained only the "America's Top 50" tier, and I still got the CEMU crashes every few minutes. So I took a bit of a long shot and cleaned the bin completely again and added only 1 tier for the single channel I wanted to watch.

So far it's been up and running for about 45minutes.

[alchemist]

Well, I guess it couldn't last indeffinately. Went down shortly after I posted my last message.

[dizmatic]

here something that i did dont know if it's relavant either but i reprogramedmy rom 10 that had wide open ppv and gcsb. Everytime the ecm came down my locked 7200 would reboot then get tv listings. so i removed all ppv and now all i got is AT 180 and my locals and now everytime ecm comes down it freezes for like 30 sec then goes to home and aquiring sat signal for like 5 min then bam watchin tv again. Oh yaeh using subbed Cam.

[gary stonecutte]

Here is the fix that worked for me:


On Thursday my 501 ( with Atmega) was getting hit every 20 min. I took off the blocker and used a very narrow PPV Hi - 49328 LOW - 48935. I have not had a ECM for 18 hours.

[m32198]

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed their software rev change. I have a 2800 and 3900 and both of the software revs have changed after this recent round of emm's.

The 2800 went from 664PCSCD-N to 797PCSCA-F

Two things stand out ot me about that. 1. That it's a different build config (CSCD to CSCA) 2. The -F at the end.

I have read in other forums here that on Bev if you see the -F it means you are flagged. I am on dishnet however. That could explain how they are targeting. Earlier in this thread someone was talking about reciever id's, maybe its in the software rev instead. I have tried all suggestions about no ppv, different cam ids's, etc. Still cannot get more than 20 minutes worth of up time till 153 again!

I thought at first it might just be that way after the hit, but then everytime I erased SA5 3 times and restream, still have that -F. Just a thought, had not seen anyone else mention this. May be perfectly normal?


I to believe that the software is the key. Have one 301-10 that when first took update it was P203 commercial after ECM went to NP203.After erasing sector and restreaming now X203.Thang that really sucks is that tuesday was the first day the reciever and rom10 card had ever seen the stream.

[SecurityRisk]

SO if this is the case, this software would have to be sooooo much like the previous software that legit irds would not try to download it - or they would get hit.

Guess it was smart to make a backup and to reload from that backup FULLY whenever I get hit - no issues with software since the games started - I'm guessing because I don't just erase a sector - I rewrite the whole TSOP.

[OldTex]

I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed their software rev change. I have a 2800 and 3900 and both of the software revs have changed after this recent round of emm's.

The 2800 went from 664PCSCD-N to 797PCSCA-F

Two things stand out ot me about that. 1. That it's a different build config (CSCD to CSCA) 2. The -F at the end.

I have read in other forums here that on Bev if you see the -F it means you are flagged. I am on dishnet however. That could explain how they are targeting. Earlier in this thread someone was talking about reciever id's, maybe its in the software rev instead. I have tried all suggestions about no ppv, different cam ids's, etc. Still cannot get more than 20 minutes worth of up time till 153 again!

I thought at first it might just be that way after the hit, but then everytime I erased SA5 3 times and restream, still have that -F. Just a thought, had not seen anyone else mention this. May be perfectly normal?

I've read the F means "Flagged" no matter what. It means haul out your BIN from a JTAG session and reprogram the whole eprom.

This is why locks are soooo important. Haul out your soldering irons and lock them up!!! I have just installed 4 locks on friend's receivers... and I might be willing to help out anyone close by.. PM me.

[kctats13]

Last 2 days ive been pretty much getting hit within an hour or so. Today 12:30pm PST, I generated a new cam id in scammer, running tiers in yatm09 with all events, PPV porn, etc. and checksum blocker and I got hit about 45mins later. Then I re-did everthing the same but I changed my blocker to penga nomore64-3 ep10. Was up for 6 hours and I got the serious error nag. But this time when I went down the cam id that I made with scammer got blacklisted. I tried to program several cards with it and was getting the card not authorized message. So I put a subbed cam id on my card and Ive been up for about 3 hrs now with no ppv etc. Im using a 301.010 with a rom 10.

[sukh77]

Well guys since I'm still hearing that people are getting hit My rom2 is still working fine, I'll update this post if it goes down.