file trading

[mili]

It is a desperate grasping for straws. What kind of an idiot would think that he can fight the tide of invention. The current method of distribution for music is so outdated by technology that there is just no future for it for the Record Industry (RI). Greed has crippled their vision. Being used to be able to pay an artist $1 and for manufacturing a CD for $50 then selling it for $25 has provided them with a drug stronger than coke: MONEY. They cannot and will not accept anything other than the good ol' cash cow and they are on their way to extinction. In the very near future music will be either costing you a buck or two or thanks to the cheaper and cheaper computerized mixing and recording equipment available, every band can be its own lable. Distribution will rely heavily on the Internet and there will be no more Big Brother hovering over artists deciding who makes it and who does not. Popularity can will finally reflect merit not the whim of an asshole in a coke induced haze. Anyone who ever tried to stem the tibe of the evolution of technology and the Internet has been washed away by it. By its nature the Net will always provide a way around those who try to limit its use. There are anonymizing proxies available even today. Good luck finding out where something originates. Running data through a few encrypting proxies will throw most every one off course. I just don't see the RI to be able to rile up the law enough (with their dwindling income) to try anything serious about it for any sustained time, hence my allusion to straw grasping. Expect companies who make anonimizing apps that cloak every traffic on every port and integrate with the OS to be blossoming. I don't know if any of you recognized teh significance of Phillips' new DVD recorder now available for sale in the US. THe RI has been fighting like madman to ban it into existance. I mean what sort of numbnuts would try forcing people in the 21st century to use VCRs to record anything when computer based DVD rewriters and RAMs are out there in abandon? They argued that people will copy and sell DVDs with it and it encourages that practice. The DMCA fits right into their arguments. I am stunned to see that the courts allowed the new DVD recorders to be sold. It shows that they start to see that the DMCA is a nightmare. Lets hope it is not long before they seriously chop it up because in its present form it can be used to argue that even VCRs are illegal equipment that can be used to duplicate copyrighted media. I wish they recognized that it is ENTIRELY the media's or content provider's responsibility to ensure that their content remains secure from hacks, not the courts'. If they fuck up designing their security and it gets hacked and copied then make them go back to the drawing board and come up with a better system. The only way in my opinion to make a system truly secure is if you change the method of encryption. If DTV would completely swap all cards every 18 months regardeless whether they have been hacked or not this whole hacking mess would not be an issue because by the time someone is able to develop a hack then market it, the new cards would be sent rendering all the investment in developing that hack worthless and customers who know their cards will get swapped in every 18 months would not buy a hack knowing its short life span. But it is only me I guess. People will say it cists DTV too much money to do a swap. THat is BS. 12 million cards will cost them MAYBE $1 a piece and the method for distribution is already there in the form of the monthly bill they send. Why they are not doing it? Because if they make their system hack proof then people would hack DishNet instead and DTV would still not make a penny more. What they do is let you hack their content, get you addicted to it then annnoy you with ECMs so that you will subscribe to them. Expect a P4 hack to be leaked soon.


mili

[Chief]

How about this...how many of you saw in the news last week where US Senator Orrin Hatch proposed legislature - backed and paid for by RIAA lobbyists, I'm sure...to warn people who logged on to KaZaa, WinMX, LimeWire, etc...warn 'em twice to get off, then automatically DESTROY their entire hard drive for punishment if they failed to do so? The technology exists, folks....I'm sure it will wind up being challenged and brought before the Supreme Court, and God only knows what those people will rule. Believe it or not, the bill's got a lot of supporters...Mili, didn't you get out of Hungary to get away from shit like that?

[good 2 go]

Hey, just a quick 2 cents from me;
I believe we are all our own worst enemies. Why would whoever make public cd burners, dvd burners, burning software, P2P programs, etc ? These gadgets can make Blockbuster, Sony, Epic, Columbia, actors, music artists, etc look bad and lose money, no shit Sherlock! Now "they" bitch about piracy and file sharing, what goes ? Stop making or selling the blasted burners people and the software, how thick is your skull ? This is not rocket science. I also know most artists, actors etc are not starving or homeless either. Theses modern "stealing" procedures are still giving them exposure and revenue. People still have to and go to concerts, buy clothing, etc. Not everyone owns computers nor wants to download music either, some do buy it the old fashion way. They all also now have websites that generate money, promote them, etc. I think there is no excuse for greed and stupidity. To all the media and whiners, wake up and lets see you destroy my hard drive, good luck, I would like to see them read a hard drive that met a 16lb hammer and some gasoline. :D GTG

[mili]

Now I don't know about you but for me MUSIC is an escape, a stress relief, a tool to achieve my own equilibrium. I do not follow the main stream and the trends and so I resent them trying to drag MUSIC to the same level as toilet paper. It is ART and that by its nature appeals to some and not to others. Toilet paper appeals to all our assess unless you like Klingons :) THEY would LOVE to form our taste and mold our habits in order to milk us dry. (Matrix anyone?) The corporates and media moguls of today suck all your mental energies and money the same way the machines in Matrix suck humans dry. For heaven's sake every person is an individual. Do not let them jerks force you into a mold. Use every technology and venue to give voice to your resentment. Do not buy that you are a criminal for not letting them become billionaires off your back. Hack and copy and spread and share. That is the spirit of the NET.

mili

[Chief]

Good to see some people that appreciate such a wonderful part of our lives...I've been a musician all my life (piano, keyboards) and I really don't know what I'd do without it. Well, there are some sounds (they certainly don't qualify as music) that ALL of us could do without...but like the recent Pontiac ads say...it's "Fuel For The Soul"....
VH1 has some good music...but look at the kind of outfit they are. They assemble a prison band full of murderers...put 'em on primetime TV, right where the family of the victims can see 'em from the comfort of their own living rooms. How about this..let's contact VH1, or MTV, or Viacom or whatever the hell it is, and see if they'll give an hour's airtime to a band full of satellite hacks. Hell, several of us are musicians...we'll call it "Mili and the 3 M's"..:D
Why not? We're the ones getting all the action nowadays - ought to be FAR more interesting than a bunch of sissified murderers....:eek:

[Chief]

Nope..never acquired a taste for it..although I appreciate the talent of a good jazz musician. I play totally by ear...never could read music, never needed to or wanted to learn...I can listen to a song a few times and pretty well play along with it, or just play it, period. They started me out with classical, like they do all little kids...and then I got with an incredible instructor when I lived in California with my grandmother - he chucked old Mozart and Beethoven in the trash -and encouraged me to just learn to PLAY, not play some particular music. And I just went straight up from there..and it taught me to play all kinds of music, from gospel to rock, blues to C & W. As for personal taste...good mid/late 70's rock will do just fine...and anything with lots of horns and percussion...:)

[Chief]

Here's what you do...you vote with your checkbook....I've been in the car business since 1972, and if GM brings out a new model...something controversial, or ugly, or both, like the Pontiac Aztek...what can the public do about it? Walk right on by that little morphodite and buy something else...they'll get the message, and eventually you'll see a change. That's what I do with CD's...stop paying 15 bucks a piece for 'em, and they'll come up with a better way. As long as there's an ass for all those saddles, they're gonna be 15 bucks apiece....myself, I've bought my last CD. It's a lot more fun to make 'em, and you don't have to buy 10 dogshit songs just to get two good ones. You sure aren't going to out-lobby the record lobbyists, so just do it the old fashioned way and when you go to WalMart, keep your ass out of the record and tape department...

[Chief]

The groups, especially the small regional bands trying to establish themselves...need all the breaks they can get. But we both know the recording giants are the ones making all the money....I can't think of the group now, but my daughters listen to 'em all the time...3 black women, nice pretty bunch that sings clean music, and REALLY popular...their last CD sold like 8 million copies...I heard them in a television interview and they are nearly broke. They made less than 75 grand between the 3 of them off of that CD...their agent made over a million bucks...now, that's not right....
Hell, I'd pay money for the internet downloads if someone could convince me that the artists would get the money...but they don't - unless you're somebody big like Paul McCartney, you'll get fucked every time....

[burnt_servo]

i keep hearing about all the evils of file sharing programs , like kazza , morpheus ect ........ and i keep hearing about how "they " ( the powers that be ) should shut these programs down to "protect " copy righted content .

all i can say is DO IT , let them try .

before napster and any of the other file sharing programs , there was , and still is IRC and unless the governments are going to assign some one to watch over each and every computer out there , to make sure the operator isn't doing something " illegal , imoral , or fatting " there's nothing they can do to stop it .

it's no different that satelite testing , a new problem comes up , and the testers start looking for ways around it , then share their ideas with other testers.

if the record company's want to combat music sharing , drop the price of what they are charging for their cd's .
for the 20.00 that they charge for a cd , i'm willing to spend alot of time searching and downloading music .
for 8.00 to 10.00 per cd , i'm less likely to go thru all that hassle , and just buy it .

[Chief]

Exciting news for folks sharing music files...:mad:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92351,00.html