bev channels dropping off

[NICKMARC3]

ive been noticing that within the last few days about a half dozen or more BEV channels have "dropped off", saying "error 002 sat. sig temp. unavailable" (example channel #551 satalite 82 transponder 16). brand new to bell and thanx nm3 :confused:

[zapper]

Mine is doing the same thing

[metalwork]

same here,unsure whats going on

[JShin]

I'm up and running fine.

[JShin]

Do a switch check.

[NICKMARC3]

before it was a minor problem with only about 3 or 4 chanels but now its manifest to over two dozen or so including ppvs #341, 352, 356, 357, 359, 366, 430, 449, 451, 486, 487, 491, 500, 512, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 742, 745, 746, dont think its weather related. any ideas? oh, did a switch test twice. no-go. sat 91.

[NICKMARC3]

it appears that " repairs/work" is being performed on NIMIQ 1 & 3 and this, i believe/hope is responsible for the omitted channels. at least thats what it eludes to on BEV channel 250. for these days (4TH 6TH AND 7TH) in august.

[Chapster99]

Another reason you may be missing channels is the fact that your IRD may not have the current FW.

[JShin]

That's not why because they are only doing the switches between 3 a.m. & 5 a.m. Check your firmware version or if using MC reprogram it using the latest software release, the old one expired.

[Dave411]

Both my IRD and FTA system are loosing channels as stated above. I did a blind search with the FTA system and could not find any of the lost channels on any new frequencies. It would appear to be a BEV problem. I guess BEV found a way to stop testers - just don`t put up the signal!!! hehehe

[ah33919]

Maybe they adjusted the "footprint"...are all the people who are having problems in the south?

[NICKMARC3]

im in ft lauderdale

[Dave411]

Me to. I`m in Arizona. Never thought about footprint - could be the problem.

[fdave]

They are doing it for NFL Sunday ticket :)

[JShin]

I'm getting 100% on most transponders and upper 80's to mid 90's on others. I'm not sure why some people are loosing some channels.

[zach]

I'm in Ottawa, all ok with 3100.010 & rom10, FW(E431). A friend has a 3100 latest
FW(E469) and missing many channels. I've tried the check switch, reflashing tsops,
changing tiers, cam id.., nothing seems to work. The one thing I have yet to try is
reflashing the eeprom with the proper build configuration for that ird(EAFD). Does
anyone have this, if so I would appreciate a copy.

[NICKMARC3]

appears that the foot-print theroy is a no go. zach..a friend in canada or some where south? i have the same set up as you, (301.10, rom 10), and im miissing a sh## load of channels in south fla.

[lolokane]

o.k. so I thought I would try somthing, so I reflashed my tsop and put my
ird back into the data stream hoping to get the latest firmware. now
Im sitting here "Aquiring satellite signal". I have done a check switch and still have no signal on any transponders. I took my signal meter on the roof to make sure the dish is still pointed in the correct direction and it is. still nothing.... WTF

[JShin]

Virginize your eeprom sometimes that helps.

[Dave411]

Here in Arizona, still nothing on transponders 7,9,11,17,21, and 23. Tried hooking up a 30" dish and got signals from 91 to 99 on the rest, but not even a blip on the bad transponders. Just more reinforcement for the footprint theory. Thanks ah33919 and all.

[JShin]

So they are trying to prevent people from outside Canada from watching Canadian T.V.?

[Dave411]

Don`t know if that is the purpose, but it is the effect at least for us in the South. Maybe, as fdave mentioned, it has something to do with NFL package. It would be interesting to know the locations of people in the US who can get the signal on the 7,9 and 11 transponders. Also what transponders the NFL will be on?

[Kanapolis]

Try changing you blackout string, that might help !

[gratis]

I don't believe it is the footprint but I could be wrong. The reason I don't think that's the problem is that there are plenty of "legitimate" subscribers who are all over the US. To subscribe in the US, all you have to do a pay a special broker in Canada like canamsatellites.

I have 2 bev IRDs, a 6000 and a 5100 (converted 501) which exhibit the same problem with the transponders as Dave411 described. I'm in Calif. Hope it is a temporary thing.

[ah33919]

All 7,9 & 11 come in fine in Massachusetts
I connected a different receiver (301) to my bev dish and still can't get transponders 3, 7, 9, 11, 17, and 21. I think that the southeastern and southwestern states are no longer in the footprint. I'm in Florida. Is there anyone in floida getting these transponders on 91?

[mark goal]

I am in Central Texas (Austin), and I am getting 0 signal strength on 3,7,11, & 23.
I am only getting 48% on 9, 43% on 17, 44% on 21, & 42% on 25.
On the even transponders, it is up in the 90s.
It may be a footprint issue, since they are moving some channels from nimiq 1 to 3 (Channel 250).

[ah33919]

I am in Central Texas (Austin), and I am getting 0 signal strength on 3,7,11, & 23.
I am only getting 48% on 9, 43% on 17, 44% on 21, & 42% on 25.
On the even transponders, it is up in the 90s.
It may be a footprint issue, since they are moving some channels from nimiq 1 to 3 (Channel 250).


Where is Nimiq3 located?

[mark goal]

From what I am hearing, nimiq3 is another sat at 91 degrees that has a different footprint in North America. It seems it has a stronger signal in Canada & weaker in the southern US. The changing transponders are shown on Bev ch 250. Wonder if a larger dish will help me. Seems 30" dish did not help Dave in Arizona.

[ah33919]

From what I am hearing, nimiq3 is another sat at 91 degrees that has a different footprint in North America. It seems it has a stronger signal in Canada & weaker in the southern US. The changing transponders are shown on Bev ch 250. Wonder if a larger dish will help me. Seems 30" dish did not help Dave in Arizona.

Does anyone know for sure where nimiq3 is located? 91 or 72? I can't seem to find anything about nimiq3 on lyngsat.

[gratis]

I don't know for sure, but Nimiq3 has to be at 91 or everyone would have to add another dish pointed at 72.

[mark goal]

I read at id-discussions by bountykiller.... sounds like "nimiq3" is leased space on DirecTV3...

"The shortest version is that expressvu leased usage of another satellite (it just so happened to be DirecTV3 which was an in orbit spare for DSS) in order to boost signal to the area it is actually intended to serve, Canada... With all the snow and crap weather in winter and rain during other times, legit subs were most likely complaining about rain fade/loss of signal and moving or threatning to move to other services such as Rogers Cable, Crapchoice satt... etc... so in order to solve this they figured they need a higher power bird up there to solve this (bird = satt) but the issue is they dont have one of those just yet... Nimiq4 is in the works and will likely go at 91 either on it's own or augmented (in conjunction with) by Directv3 (i hope so anyways.. im loving this improved signal). Directv3 allowed them to push all the odd transponders up to 240 watts/transponder as opposed to the standard 100ish.. (between 120 and 140 is standard these days on new satts now running in doubled mode) Nimiq1 is relatively old nowadays and is likely 100 or less watts / transponder which equals crappy signal and rain fade.... soooooo i hope this helps you see why they had to do it It is just the way of the game (at least for us fringe area people...) sometimes you win, sometimes you lose... however, as i said, if you simply get a larger dish (i suggest again the channel master dishes, i use 6 footers of theirs..) you will be laughing and will get it all back again...

-Bountykiller"

[endless8]

Verified that all transponder on 91 is well in Chicago and New York. Here in Southern Cali the following transponders are missing...3, 7, 9, 11, 17, 21, 23, 25. Any ideas if this is a temporary or permanent problem for ppl in the southen states?

[endless8]

Does anyone have a list of all channel affected by the missing transponders. Trying to create a custom tiers to omit channels that cannot receive signal. TIA

[mark goal]

--- >Are viewers going to need three/four dishes?

No. I think what is being said is that there is now Nimiq 1 and Nimiq 3, both located at orbital slot 91. Also, Nimiq 3 is really renamed/leased DirecTV3 sat. Again, Nimiq3 (renamed DTV3) is a more powerful sat (it has a stronger signal in Canada), but because it has a different footprint in North America, its signal is weaker in the southern US.

Sometime in future, Nimiq1, which is a weak sat, will be replaced by Nimiq4, a more powerful sat. But Nimiq4, like Nimiq1, will be parked at 91.

So future might be Nimiq4 at 91 OR a comination of Nimiq4 & Nimiq3, both at 91.

[Dave411]

From what I am hearing, nimiq3 is another sat at 91 degrees that has a different footprint in North America. It seems it has a stronger signal in Canada & weaker in the southern US. The changing transponders are shown on Bev ch 250. Wonder if a larger dish will help me. Seems 30" dish did not help Dave in Arizona.

That is correct. While the 30" dish improved my signal about 10 points on the transponders I receive, it did nothing for the bad ones. I have an 8' dish that I aimed at 91 degrees (tuned in to G11) and tried "hanging" a dbs LNB on it. Unfortunately, I could not get any signal even on the good TPs. I need a dbs feedhorn, but I am not convinced there is enough signal down here for even the 8' dish to work. Has anyone tried it?

UPDATE: Found old feed horn with adjustable scaler ring and mounted dbs LNB to the 8` dish. Acquired 100% on most all TPs, but didn`t get a single % on the problem TPs. For Mark in Austin with some signal, I believe a larger dish would improve the marginal signal. For us with 0 signal, I`m afraid the only option is to move or complain to BEV that they are discriminating against us in the South (Just Kiddding). I guess we can hope that something changes. Thanks all for the help!

[mark goal]

[QUOTE=Dave411]
UPDATE: Found old feed horn with adjustable scaler ring and mounted dbs LNB to the 8` dish. Acquired 100% on most all TPs, but didn`t get a single % on the problem TPs.

Dave, Thanks for posting your results with the 8' dish.
It sounds like bountykiller at id-discussions, has worked with larger dishes & wanted to know results from folks like you. I have posted your results over at id-discussions & waiting for a response from that forum.

FYI... The results I posted are from a 20" Dish 500. I am just using a single LNB to get 91 from that dish. I am also able to pick BEL 82 with an 18". The signal is weak (in the mid to high 50's), but it works. I am hoping this setup allows me to view the Guide, esp. if they move the TP that has the EPG.
I don't have a 30" dish to try, which is about my only other option. The homeownes assoc won't allow a 6' to 8' dish. Thanks again.

[Dave411]

Glad to help - just wish the result would have been better. I also watch 82 on a 6000. The HD selection is much better than DN IMHO. Good luck to all.

[chelso]

dave411, thanks for trying, I was just getting ready also.

Now that we know C bands won't work in the deep south,
we need to find the finge borderline areas, so we need a
new footprint map. Here's the old pattern, somebody
with some good computer copy & paste skills could do a rough
estimated paste, moving this pattern North of San Franscisco & working in Tyler, Texas.

old footprint:
http://www.tbs-satellite.com/tse/on...g_dbs_pire.html

history of the worn out dbs3 now being caled nimiq3:
http://www.tbs-satellite.com/tse/online/sat_dbs_3.html


endless8, great idea, excel would work great to sort the big 8 by tier.

ame, SID,f1,f2,f3,tier,st,TID,T#,sat, SB,LB, <LRM> Remarks [by IRDcM V1.70.125/20/32]

CTVDv 53 00 10 09 0189 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
GLBDv 55 00 10 09 00D7 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
Vu-F 114 00 10 09 00D5 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
Vu-F* 148 00 10 01 00D5 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
ALRT 175 00 10 09 0AF6 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
CTV-E 212 00 10 09 0189 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
GLOBL 213 00 10 01 00D7 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
KTLA 334 00 10 01 0BB8 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
PPVu 409 00 10 01 2008 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
TLC 442 00 10 09 14C3 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
A&E 459 00 10 09 128E 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
SPIKE 466 00 10 09 1284 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
VuPPV 476 00 10 09 00D5 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
YTV-E 480 00 10 09 07D1 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
HNN 502 00 10 09 14D2 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
LOCK* 609 00 10 09 0AF6 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
ALERT 731 00 10 01 2008 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
LOCK 732 00 10 01 2008 01 3 3 91.0 0 00
GXY1 901 00 10 09 01B9 02 3 3 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
GXY2 902 00 10 09 01BA 02 3 3 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
GXY3 903 00 10 09 01BB 02 3 3 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
GXY4 904 00 10 09 01BC 02 3 3 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
GXY6 906 00 10 09 01BE 02 3 3 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
GXY22 922 00 10 09 01C0 02 3 3 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
EPG 36861 60 10 01 0000 8d 3 3 91.0 0 00 MAIN_EPG

VuF2 152 00 10 09 01A3 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF6 156 00 10 09 0196 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF7 157 00 10 09 0197 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF9 159 00 10 09 0192 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF11 161 00 10 09 0191 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu2 352 00 10 09 0192 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu6 356 00 10 09 0196 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu7 357 00 10 09 0197 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu9 359 00 10 09 0199 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu16 366 00 10 09 01A0 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu25 375 00 10 09 01A3 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
HLS 430 00 10 09 067C 01 7 7 91.0 0 00
Kids1 491 00 10 09 01A6 01 7 7 91.0 0 00

NBCDv 68 00 10 09 0DE8 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
PBSDv 74 00 10 09 153B 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
NBC-E 300 00 10 09 0DE8 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
ABC-E 301 00 10 09 0DAC 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
CBS-E 302 00 10 09 0DCA 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
FOX-E 303 00 10 09 0E1A 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
WSBK 321 00 10 01 0BC2 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
NBCEO 341 00 10 09 0DE8 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
PBS-E 449 00 10 09 153B 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
SEXTV 745 00 10 01 108F 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
Blu 746 00 10 09 01A7 96 9 9 91.0 0 00.
PLBOY 780 00 10 01 1770 96 9 9 91.0 0 00.

CHDv 59 00 10 09 01EF 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
WEA* 80 00 10 09 0133 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
CHTV 215 00 10 09 01EF 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
CJBN 223 00 10 0d 0146 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
WGN 320 00 10 01 06B8 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
TVO 451 00 10 09 021C 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
CNN 500 00 10 09 151D 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
WEA 512 00 10 09 0133 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
BET 557 00 10 09 12DA 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
VNUS 742 00 10 09 010D 96 11 11 91.0 0 00.
GXY5 905 00 10 09 01BD 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
RAD1 960 00 10 09 01B6 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
CJRT 970 00 10 09 0140 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
RIGA 980 00 10 09 1F46 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
DNLSC 36855 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNL8F 36856 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNL8F 36857 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNLSB 36859 60 10 01 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 DL_SVC2
DNLSA 36860 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNL 36863 60 10 03 0000 8f 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC1

CKEM 231 00 10 09 027E 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
FAM-W 483 00 10 09 096A 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
TOONE 486 00 10 09 0802 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
TOONW 487 00 10 09 097E 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
MC 600 00 10 09 09C5 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-AD 601 00 10 09 09CE 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-SL 602 00 10 09 09C9 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-HR 603 00 10 09 0A1E 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-EA 604 00 10 09 09AB 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-CS 605 00 10 09 09CB 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.

DvCTV 54 00 10 09 028B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
DvGLB 56 00 10 09 027B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
DvCTY 58 00 10 09 01F4 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CFTK 255 00 10 0d 0149 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CJDC 256 00 10 0d 014A 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
GLB-W 258 00 10 09 027B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CITYw 260 00 10 09 01F4 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
BCCTV 261 00 10 09 0283 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CHEK 262 00 10 01 028B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
FOX-W 333 00 10 09 100E 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
KNOW 452 00 10 09 0286 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
FAIRW 852 00 10 09 1587 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CBUFM 955 00 10 09 01B6 02 21 21 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
CBU 956 00 10 09 01B7 02 21 21 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
CBUF 957 00 10 09 01B6 02 21 21 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY

CBCDv 51 00 10 09 00FA 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
VuF4 154 00 10 09 01A5 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
CBC-E 210 00 10 09 00FA 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
HGTV 286 00 10 09 1585 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
FOOD 289 00 10 09 1162 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
CBC_O 337 00 10 09 00FA 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
SNET1 405 00 10 09 05E7 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
DISC 440 00 10 09 14C6 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
SHO-E 461 00 10 09 1342 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
CTVNN 505 00 10 09 1583 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
MPIX 607 00 10 09 0C80 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
M-FUN 611 00 10 09 0B0E 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.

DvCBC 52 00 10 09 027F 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
VuF1 151 00 10 09 0190 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
CBC-W 257 00 10 09 027F 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
LIFE 285 00 10 09 14B4 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
W 291 00 10 09 1572 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
TSN_O 339 00 10 09 05FA 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
Vu4 354 00 10 09 0194 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
TSN 400 00 10 09 05FA 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
SNET3 407 00 10 09 05E9 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
CBCNW 511 00 10 09 010B 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
M-ESC 613 00 10 09 0B04 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
MFEST 614 00 10 09 0AF5 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.

[NICKMARC3]

does ot matter if i get a 100% signal on transponders 19 and 13? or are thoes particular transponders irrelevent?

[hossman]

i am in south checked all tps listed as missing got 90 plus on 3-7-9-11-17-21-23-25

[metalwork]

i am in south checked all tps listed as missing got 90 plus on 3-7-9-11-17-21-23-25
lots of channels and transponders missing/o% also no guide updating here in tampa fla.i will wait until tomorrow when bell is done moving channels to see what comes back up

[endless8]

Can someone plz post a bevtier.lst with individual channel tier so we can create a custom tier patch for use in nagra. The only list I found is one with tiers that open up blocks of channels.

[chelso]

https://dssftp.com/filedownload/generate_php/bell_misc_files.php

rtmbev5a
Use the sort order for channels or tiers.

[endless8]

Chelso, Since the rom3 cant hold over 100 individual tiers is there a how-to on creating a custom tier block. If I wanted to let say create one tier for opening channels 300 to 310.

[trapeze]

Mine doing the same thing. Can't even get the program guide - it won't download. :repuke:

[endless8]

The guide is still available on nimiq2-82

[transfer_2]

About guide data: I'm getting it on a 3100 using E434 (themes, sports, the whole deal), but not on a unit using E469. This wouldn't be possible if guide data moved to the other sat...

[mark goal]

Dave in Arizona:
Well I decided to tweak my 20" dish 500 in Austin, TX. I have just one 'dual LNB' on this dish & it is pointed to N1/N3. There is no skew. An elevation move up of about 1/16" from were I had it previousl, pulled in some of the TPs that were previously zero, & gave the best signal.

As you know my earlier results are further up in this thread.

Here are my current readings:
TP3 - 49/50
TP7 - 51
TP9 - 67
TP11 - 49/50
TP17 -66
TP21- 64
TP23 - 48
TP25 - 61

This is a very hopeful sign for me. I think a bigger pan will improve my results. Amazing, I am watching CNN without picture breakup with only 49/50 on TP11 off N3. But I am sure, even first sign of a drizzle, & it will be gone.

BTW, there are quite a number of thoughts on moving of TPs from N1 to N3 on 'canadian-tv' forum. I am not sure if i am allowed to post that url here. If you have trouble finding that thread - it is called 'N1 Improvements', let me know & I will email url to you.

[NICKMARC3]

if the stream updates are gonna come from n3 is the stream information going to be "downloadable from other sorces in the south?





Well here is the skinny: Bev has moved a ton of stuff including the guide and stream updates to the dtv3 bird. They have moved the axius of this bird to in effect spot beam most of the US out of the foot print. Canada and Northern US states seem un affected however those in the South are SOL. Some in the Mid states are reporting a 10' BUD (C-band) dish brings in a weak but usable signal.
:cry: Don't see a fix for this one. Good one Bev :flipa:

[tbelisle]

If the stream updates are on Nimiq3... would that not affect bev users pointing to 92 (N1)

What the fuck would be the purpose of this?

[Dave411]

Mark - Thanks for the update and info at Canadian TV. I found it very informative. I have 2 18" dishes, one at 82 and one at 91, so I am getting guide etc. I may hook up my 8` dish again for 91 just in case the footprint changes enough to get a bit of signal in the future. It seems our best hope is that N3 fails and they go back to N1 totally. At least it appears they will not be messing with N2 (82). Good luck with your signal!

tbelisle - I think N1 & N3 are at the same location so it would not affect any legit subs as they would still get the update stream because they get both N1 & N3 signals. It would only affect those of us in the south that do not get the N3 signal even though we are pointing at 91. Hopefully, the updates will still be on 82. If not, I guess I`ll send my receiver to a friend in the midwest that gets the signal whenever a firmware update is needed.

[tbelisle]

Ah... thanks for clearing that up!
Got N2 and N3 confused!

[woodyrj]

I am new to BEV, my system came with all channels up and running, so I do not know if I am getting hit or not. About 2 hours ago, some of my channels are gone, nothing but a black screen. No message either. If I flip around some channels are coming in, then I go back to the channel I was watching and I can get it for about 1 minute and then it goes out again. Does this means I am being ecm'ed? Should I pull the card out or leave it?

Thanks for your help!

[noco7]

There messing with Transponders right now as far as I know. All systems are down! even legit systems!
Atmega, Rom3, & Rom10'sm Rom11's, Rom10x... Black screen and only Guide will work right?

No need to worry M8... They'll be back up soon enough.

Rom3 update in progress as well, Atmega finally updated this morning to Rev388. Heard it was coming, faster in some areas than others.
Damn them.. damn them to hell...
New AngelVision for Bev ATmega's should be released sometime in next couple of days with this new revision update.

NoCo7

[Dagwood]

Mine is a little different - Bev sat 91, transponder 23, signal 94%. Channel 440 (Discovery) freezes every 30 secs. Switch to another channel and then go back to 440, it works for another 30 secs. Running wide open on Rom 3 with 3100.013.

[Dagwood]

Now trransponder 18, Channel 330 is doing the same thing

[zapper]

wat is wrong?

[Dagwood]

Like I said in the first post, they freeze after 30 seconds consistently

[xwolfs7]

Like I said in the first post, they freeze after 30 seconds consistently

Hi! Bev said they are changing 16 of the 32 Tp`s I sub to bev and read it on there message screen they were supposed to be done by the 11th of aug.

I know my subbed bev been getting error message avery now and again..

[Dagwood]

Thanks for your reply - thought I might have to call them or something equally stupid

[spike]

also not all the channels are down. I'm getting quite a few still with no problems. Ah well, even more of a reason to go take in the sun.

[ecm_this]

Nothing with ATmega,plugged in the subbed plastic and nothing.Updated from E433 to E469 and the subbed package is good,with Guide too.Still nothing with ATmega,though.

[Wizkid]

Running Emulation in NC and working great!!

[sdeens]

you atmega guys are confusing the issues in this thread:

1.. this thread is about a discusion regarding the new footprint that certain odd transponders BEV is now using to re-map thier channels to Nimiq3 at 91 degree orbital slot, not about the new parity key ECM...

things are NOT back to normal with respect to missing transponders for those testers living in southern latitudes.

keep this thread on track and take your ECM questions for Atmega/rom plastic please to one of the many other ECM threads

p.s
Austin Texas may be a lower latitude that say Orlando or Los Angeles, but it is also the geosynchronous orbital "mid way point" for all of North America and IMHO is probbaly not a city to use as a gauge for remapping this new BEV nimiq 3 umbrella...Austins centrallization is probably why a Dish-500 legacy antenna can be tweaked to re-capture those mising transponders but that does NOT mean souther coastal reagions will also enjoy the same obsevrations.

[NICKMARC3]

ahmen

[gratis]

I read this somewhere else:

Draw a line from just south of Atlanta to about 200 miles south of the Oregon/California border. North of that you should be fine.. south of that and it's time to get a bigger dish.

[LOOKOUT]

hi all.....i am in hollwood fla......those transponders are indeed at 0 strengh....so do you really believe a BIGGER dish will work?.....i can get one, but really, i think bev is trying to get a footprint to accomadate only their northern customers and not us southern peeps....

[zach]

Here in Ottawa, I'm still getting error 002 on many Bev channels. I beleive its not a
footprint problem, my IRD is a 3100.010 with latest firmware. I repaired a 3100 with a defective MAX2104 chip(located in the shielded tuner box). A notification by
Maxim, that the Max2104/L64733 product with date codes preceding 0145, may have failures. The problem IRD has a date code 0114, a few months ago I repaired a 3100 which had a date code 0123, when replaced with a new device, it fixed the problem. So if you have that chip, verify the date code, it may be the source of your problem. I hope this post helps!

[zach]

In order to help you, please give more info., what is your IRD, testing device..etc!
You have to give more details to get help on any forum.

[zach]

I would not recommend doing this work unless you have experience and the required tools. Should you attempt this yourself, firstly remove the solder from each pin of the IC, I did this with a lab microscope and desoldering braid. Next you
have to melt the solder holding the ground pad(under chip) and board, this can be
done with a heat gun, soldering iron with large tip, apply heat and pry the chip from the board. Once removed clean the pads including ground pad. Now comes the hard part, apply solder paste to the ground pad, position the chip on their respective pads, older a few pins to hold in place. The solder paste between the
chip ground pad and the board has to be melted, you use the iron method, hot air
from a heat gun, too much heat and you may damage the IC, too little and the paste won't melt. Once your confident the paste is melted continue soldering the
remaining IC pins, carefully so you don't create a solder bridge.

As you can see, its quite a challenge, at least it was for me. There are most likely
other techniques one can use for this job.

Good Luck

[NICKMARC3]

zach..looks like youve done some serious tv repair before. lol. anyway, how would you explain how so many "chips" went bad all @ once? not trying to be a smart ass or anything. but am i missing somthing? (wouldnt be the first time).







I would not recommend doing this work unless you have experience and the required tools. Should you attempt this yourself, firstly remove the solder from each pin of the IC, I did this with a lab microscope and desoldering braid. Next you
have to melt the solder holding the ground pad(under chip) and board, this can be
done with a heat gun, soldering iron with large tip, apply heat and pry the chip from the board. Once removed clean the pads including ground pad. Now comes the hard part, apply solder paste to the ground pad, position the chip on their respective pads, older a few pins to hold in place. The solder paste between the
chip ground pad and the board has to be melted, you use the iron method, hot air
from a heat gun, too much heat and you may damage the IC, too little and the paste won't melt. Once your confident the paste is melted continue soldering the
remaining IC pins, carefully so you don't create a solder bridge.

As you can see, its quite a challenge, at least it was for me. There are most likely
other techniques one can use for this job.

Good Luck

[zach]

I'm not saying that the lost transponder issue effecting so many people at the same time is the Maxim2104 failure. In my case, the first 3100 wouldn't lock on any
transponder. I posted this problem on another forum and got a reply that the problem might be a hardware issue, it turned out correct. The second 3100 which has the same problem as many of you, that is "ERROR 002" on many channels, may be the defective chip. Since the IRD doesn't belong to me and the owner is willing to live with the problem, then I'll never know for sure!

[zakolo]

I'm not saying that the lost transponder issue effecting so many people at the same time is the Maxim2104 failure. In my case, the first 3100 wouldn't lock on any
transponder. I posted this problem on another forum and got a reply that the problem might be a hardware issue, it turned out correct. The second 3100 which has the same problem as many of you, that is "ERROR 002" on many channels, may be the defective chip. Since the IRD doesn't belong to me and the owner is willing to live with the problem, then I'll never know for sure!


Guys, it's obvious Zach had a problem with his motherboard, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the current problem with bev signal in lower U.S Pple in Canada are saying they are fine as well as vermont, mass etc...

So it's obvious bev is trying to improve their signal by reducing it and concentrating on the their target area, which makes sense, but bad for us in the lower U.S. A smartass once said "move to Canada" as guise for a solution, but the latter may rest with bev themselves, as a logical person would ask with an average budget can they accomplish such a task even with more investing as it's obviously the case now. With so many customer's in the boonedogs or in the middle of nowhere's add the tough weather can they technically speaking keep up with 1000's of service calls. If They make it happen they will have as far as hardware is concerned surpassed their rival, my hope is that they won't eventhough they seem pretty determined. Do not bother replacing chips or putting up bigass old dishes, coz remember that's old technology and it's pointless/ For the moment I think we just have to wait, and if anybody in Southern U.S can get trspndrs 3,7,11, etc let us know and tell what kind of ird, softw version etc... That would help keep hope alive\
:heads_or_

[Dave411]

While an 8' dish is not a practical solution, I already had one in the back yard. Here in the Lake Havasu, AZ area, I am now receiving a consistently locked signal on TP`s 9,17,21, and 25 with the BUD. 47% on 17,21,25 and 57% on 9. This just started yesterday with a slight signal on TP9 and later the three other transponders. The signal is quite sensitive to any dish movement even on the large dish. BTW still at 0% on the other four TPs. I`m running a 6000 with E462 software, normally an 18" dish at 91 and a 30" at 82.

[zach]

Guys, you might want to consider replacing your 18 inch with a larger one, with the greater gain of a larger dish, for example a 24 inch, could bring in those weak
transponders.

[zakolo]

While an 8' dish is not a practical solution, I already had one in the back yard. Here in the Lake Havasu, AZ area, I am now receiving a consistently locked signal on TP`s 9,17,21, and 25 with the BUD. 47% on 17,21,25 and 57% on 9. This just started yesterday with a slight signal on TP9 and later the three other transponders. The signal is quite sensitive to any dish movement even on the large dish. BTW still at 0% on the other four TPs. I`m running a 6000 with E462 software, normally an 18" dish at 91 and a 30" at 82.

Thx for the info Dave. So i guess an 8 footer will pull the weak transporders but not the first 4 missing transporders. Interesting coz it reinforces the footprint assumption...

[mark goal]

>>> While an 8' dish is not a practical solution ...

Dave, the following is fyi... & may or may not apply to your 8' dish...
It is from id-discussions forum & the thread is 'loosing channels specific to transponder' by 'realdeal'...

realdeal:
I do hope those of you trying C-Band dishes (BUD's), realize that the mesh used on many if not most, C-Band dishes, is far too "open" of a mesh to properly reflect the KU band signal. The best BUD to use for the purpose described in this thread, would be a solid metal BUD dish, or solid sectional dish.

[Dave411]

Yes, thanks Mark, my dish is a mesh and the signals are very marginal. I would not advise anyone buying one, although they almost give them away nowadays. I was hoping that the signal was beginning to migrate South, but that does not seem to be the case. Anyway, I am going to see if I can get on that id-discussions you mentioned. I am curious about the other four TPs that I can not see. Are they just a bit weaker signal or is their footprint slightly different? I`d like to get 7 and 11 more than the ones I have now.

[zach]

I'm confused, why do you yanks want to watch BEV. when you have Charlie and soon Dave to test? I test Bev but hardly ever watch it, Charlie has far better choice of programming. Maybe its the french culture that appeals to you all.....lol.
Kidding asside, Bev is in the process of a card swap, when completed sometime next year, they will shut down the Nagra1 stream, which will mean the end of all
existing testing devices, until newer Nagra2 devices become available.
Hopefully, it won't take as long as the p4/p5 hack.

[gratis]

zach,
For me it's mostly for all the HDTV that bev offers. More than all the others combined.
And I like CFL, hockey (especially Don Cherry's comments) and yeah even baseball.
And the Cool channel.
And did I mention the porn?

[zach]

Strong argument gratis, maybe I should check out Bev more often. I'm glad to see you like
Canadian culture.

[LOOKOUT]

being from montreal originally and moved to florida, i still want to know what is going on in canada and i also watch the nhl station...also in winter i like to see the weather and laugh at all you guys freezing while i bask in the sun.. :p ...LOL....oh yea, and the porn!!!!! :)

[dickched]

Hey Endless,

Did you make any progress with that custom set of tiers? It'd be great to just eliminate all of the listings from transponders we can't actually receive from the guide.

DH

[zapper]

Lost more channels transporders 27 porns and ppv's

[chelso]

First, Dave411:
To hook a ku dbs lnb to a cband dish, you found an old feed horn with an adjustable scaler ring. Could you elaborate what to look for?, old brand name? Peaking must be easy once its in the ring? Does the ring hold all three lnb's c, ku fss, & ku dbs?

Here's the final Sept 30 ajustments for the famous eight tp's:

VNUS0 750 00 10 09 01AA 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS1 751 00 10 09 01A7 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS2 752 00 10 09 01A8 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS3 753 00 10 09 01A9 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS4 754 00 10 09 01AA 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS5 755 00 10 09 01A8 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS6 756 00 10 09 01A9 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS7 757 00 10 09 01A7 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS8 758 00 10 09 01A7 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNUS9 759 00 10 09 01AC 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.
VNS10 760 00 10 09 01A7 96 3 3 91.0 0 00.

VuF2 162 00 10 09 01A3 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF6 166 00 10 09 0196 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF7 167 00 10 09 0197 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF9 169 00 10 09 0192 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
VuF11 171 00 10 09 0191 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu2 352 00 10 09 0192 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu6 356 00 10 09 0196 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu7 357 00 10 09 0197 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu9 359 00 10 09 0199 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu16 366 00 10 09 01A0 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
Vu25 375 00 10 09 01A3 96 7 7 91.0 0 00.
SCORE 410 00 10 09 067C 01 7 7 91.0 0 00
Kids1 560 00 10 09 01A6 01 7 7 91.0 0 00

NBCDv 68 00 10 09 0DE8 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
PBSDv 74 00 10 09 153B 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
NBC-E 280 00 10 09 0DE8 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
ABC-E 281 00 10 09 0DAC 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
CBS-E 282 00 10 09 0DCA 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
FOX-E 283 00 10 09 0E1A 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
PBS-E 284 00 10 09 153B 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
WSBK 296 00 10 01 0BC2 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
SEXTV 745 00 10 01 108F 01 9 9 91.0 0 00
VENUS 749 00 10 09 1772 96 9 9 91.0 0 00.
PLBOY 780 00 10 01 1770 96 9 9 91.0 0 00.

CHDv 59 00 10 09 01EF 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
WEA* 80 00 10 09 0133 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
CH-H 218 00 10 09 01EF 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
TVO 265 00 10 09 01F4 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
WGN 295 00 10 01 06B8 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
CNN 500 00 10 09 151D 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
WEA 505 00 10 09 0133 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
BET 576 00 10 09 12DA 01 11 11 91.0 0 00
VNUS 742 00 10 09 010D 96 11 11 91.0 0 00.
CBC1T 956 00 10 09 01B6 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
CJRT 960 00 10 09 0140 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
RIGA 980 00 10 09 1F46 02 11 11 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
DNLSC 36855 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNL8F 36856 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNL8F 36857 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNLSB 36859 60 10 01 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 DL_SVC2
DNLSA 36860 60 10 03 0000 90 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC2
DNL 36863 60 10 03 0000 8f 11 11 91.0 0 00 FtC DL_SVC1

A-Edm 241 00 18 09 027E 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
MC 320 00 10 09 09C5 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-AD 321 00 10 09 09CE 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-SL 322 00 10 09 09C9 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-HR 323 00 10 09 0A1E 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-EA 324 00 10 09 09AB 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
MC-CS 325 00 10 09 09CB 96 17 17 91.0 0 00.
TOONE 554 00 10 09 0802 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
TOONW 555 00 10 09 097E 01 17 17 91.0 0 00
FAM-W 557 00 10 09 096A 01 17 17 91.0 0 00

DvCTV 54 00 10 09 028B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
DvGLB 56 00 10 09 027B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
DvCTY 58 00 10 09 021C 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CTV-V 250 00 10 09 0283 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
GLB-V 252 00 10 09 027B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CTY-V 253 00 10 09 021C 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CH-Vi 255 00 10 01 028B 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CBCDC 258 00 10 0d 014A 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
KNOW 268 00 10 09 0286 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
FOX-W 290 00 10 09 100E 01 21 21 91.0 0 00
CBC1V 969 00 10 09 01B7 02 21 21 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
CBC2V 970 00 10 09 01B6 02 21 21 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY
PC-V 977 00 10 09 01B6 02 21 21 91.0 0 00 AUDIO_ONLY

CTYDv 57 00 10 09 0E06 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
VuF10 170 00 10 09 019A 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
VuF15 175 00 10 09 018E 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
CTY-T 214 00 10 09 0E06 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
M 300 00 10 09 0AF0 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
M-XS 302 00 10 09 0AFA 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
Vu10 360 00 10 09 019A 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
Vu11 361 00 10 09 019B 96 23 23 91.0 0 00.
SNET2 406 00 10 09 05E8 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
SNET4 408 00 10 09 05EA 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
LEAFS 422 00 10 09 072B 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
NFL7 457 00 10 01 0312 01 23 23 91.0 0 00
CP24 503 00 10 09 1102 01 23 23 91.0 0 00

VuF3 163 00 10 09 01A4 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
VuF5 165 00 10 09 0195 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
VuF8 168 00 10 09 0198 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
T-ONE 213 00 10 09 0209 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
MPIX2 306 00 10 09 0C80 01 25 25 91.0 0 00
Vu1 351 00 10 09 0191 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
Vu3 353 00 10 09 0193 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
Vu5 355 00 10 09 0195 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
Vu8 358 00 10 09 0198 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
Vu15 365 00 10 09 019F 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
NHL1 426 00 10 01 0385 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
NCAR1 440 00 10 01 03B7 96 25 25 91.0 0 00.
MUCH 570 00 10 09 12F2 01 25 25 91.0 0 00


I spent weeks writing a custom list, then the tp changes.
I 've handwritten a new tier string for the new tp changes.
Now just wondering if I need to write a seperate one for those
receiving some of the eight tp's. If theres interest I can post,
untested first, as time wise I might not get to it as I have
two cband wire meshs to test.

Also I read a report out of Oregon, someone has noticed in the past few days,
40 to 50 signal stregnth with a dish 500 on 6 of 8 tp's, before they were shutout.