Nagra 2 open now or be history. Card swap on the way!

[0zone]

Why open Nagra2 cams now? Tune to channel 199 4 answer
Has anyone else noticed what's playing on channel 199 now?
I think it's time to step up the Nagra2 project or it will be just like deja'vu all over again.

[JShin]

Nagra 2 cards will probably never be comprimised.

[Omorfi]

never say "never" everything that can be programmed or comprimised can be hacked...it's only a matter of how long it will take...:)

[spanga]

oh pshaw...why would the fix be released before it has to be...even if you have a rom 10x card you must still have other resourses.....we would all like to know there is a "fix" but heck nothing's broken yet....

[DTVismybitch]

Now that no one has free DTV anymore, well maybe someone but not me, all tat is left is BEV and DISH and with there new Nagra 2 stream being implemented soon enough the testing community looks pretty grimm. But to provide some words of encouragement about Nagra 2, I do believe that all BEV and DISH cards have been completely hacked and reverse engineered, unlike DTV's. I know nothing of scripting or any hi end knowledge of the cards but just to give us a thread of hope I do beleive all of DISh and BEV cards have been completely hacked and this is encouraging to know, because anything can be done, it is just a question of will it and history sais yes. DTV on the other hand, the hu card ws never hacked, it was compromised but not hacked or completely reverse engineered. We know that BEV and DISH were because of the inventions of the atmega card and other things like it. Maybe I am a little to optimistic but it is something to keep in mind in the months to come. My 2 cents.

[t160hq]

Just look at the copywrite date on that ch 199 flick.

2003

So they planned on doing this a lot sooner than now. One year later and they are just getting around to it.

It took em this long just to modify all the recievers to use the nagra 2 stream. Just because they modded them dosen't mean they will work. It's still untried on a large scale. Hell with Charlie's history on firmware updates he's more likely to kill all his subs with the new cam's and firmware.

Until I get my new cam's for my subs I'm not gonna worry about it.

t160hq

[spanga]

Just look at the copywrite date on that ch 199 flick.

2003

So they planned on doing this a lot sooner than now. One year later and they are just getting around to it.

It took em this long just to modify all the recievers to use the nagra 2 stream. Just because they modded them dosen't mean they will work. It's still untried on a large scale. Hell with Charlie's history on firmware updates he's more likely to kill all his subs with the new cam's and firmware.

Until I get my new cam's for my subs I'm not gonna worry about it.

t160hqi'm pretty sure i've never read about a receiver swap...nagra 2 should work with all existing subscribed receivers otherwise like you say its joy time when all the old subs switch back to radio...lol :flipa:

[t160hq]

No swap of receivers. That's what the new DISH500 Card Ready in the sys info screen is all about. Firmware upgrades to make the old receivers work with the new nagra 2 cams.

t160hq

[playme1979]

well dtv isnt hacked everyone knows this and their new cards wont be hacked , and unless someone wants to spend a quarter of million dollars and have the right equipment and knows the right people the nagra 2 cards wont be hacked either , it will take someone far beyond anyone in any dish forum to hack these cards , not just anyone will do like the guy that writes private blockers , bins, these guys wont cut it , it will take someone far beyond that to get into the new cards so unless rupert murdoch wants to pay someone to hack the competitions cards again then the pirating will be done, i hope someone proves me wrong but i dont think so folks the game is almost over

[spanga]

HEY HEY....the key is not to panic...card swaps are not inexpensive to the provider...they just want to make sure they get it right....to date nobody's particularly impressed with their efforts so far...ask dave...2 card swaps to the tune of how many millions of $...i know alot of people that i've assisted that know full well they will watchh ppv's as long as i do...not to mention they all sub...getting a little worried about all the foofurah about the card swap on both sides of the border....jeez this is a hobby....test long and prosper

[playme1979]

are u spreading more bs to the fact you are watching dtv ppv ???without paying for it

[solat75]

i know that a card swap is in progress, the remanufactured 3800 receivers that are being sent to customers for replacement of bad units all come with the rom 10x cards. as far as whether they can or have been comprimised , i have no idea, nut i do know that the units that are being sent out to customers work just fine.

[JShin]

I heard that the Nagra 2 cards have been hacked in Europe but that's probably just more BS!

[DTVismybitch]

I think if the cards do get hacked it will come from Europe, their satellite tech is further ahead than ours and I am pretty sure a lot of hacks have already come from there. I beleive there are tons of people selling the old Euro Rom 10's to US and Canada and making a killing cause they are not used there anymore. I could be wrong though, just a thought.

I heard that the Nagra 2 cards have been hacked in Europe but that's probably just more BS!

[Faust]

Figures, just when I start testing Dish. Sigh, so whats the timetable? Will we at least make it throught the football season?

[Crazy1_79]

they are claiming september of 2005, if they get it done on time, I will be surprised, There is a similiar thread on this very subject and Birdie one of our mods claims to believe the hack for the rom 10x is in no way comparable to the p4. He also states that he believes it is already cracked. I posted to him asking about why he believes this but I do not believe he has been online today.

[DTVismybitch]

I believe the reason why DTV P4 and D1 cards will be harder to hack is because of their setup compared to Dish. Besides going inhouse with their card production too. All current BEV and DISH cards accept for the new Rom 10X's have been completely reverse engineered, which is why we have those FTA receivers running BEV and DISH and atmega's etc. DTV requires a completely different setup, and from what i read it is quite complicated to say the least. Iwould bank on a Rom 10X hack before a P4 or D1 hack forsure just from history.

they are claiming september of 2005, if they get it done on time, I will be surprised, There is a similiar thread on this very subject and Birdie one of our mods claims to believe the hack for the rom 10x is in no way comparable to the p4. He also states that he believes it is already cracked. I posted to him asking about why he believes this but I do not believe he has been online today.

[0zone]

i haven’t been involve in testing dish that long.. But I been in wareZ for many years I have seen big software company working so hard to condemn software piracy and try to make software crack proof but hacker always come up with crack and I believe there will be crack for nagra 2 soon and we will be watching free tv when there is will there is way!! just my 2 cent ;)
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[DTVismybitch]

Just look at the X-Box, 2 students figured out how to hack it in like 15 minutes or something, I bet Microsoft loved that one.


i haven’t been involve in testing dish that long.. But I been in wareZ for many years I have seen big software company working so hard to condemn software piracy and try to make software crack proof but hacker always come up with crack and I believe there will be crack for nagra 2 soon and we will be watching free tv when there is will there is way!! just my 2 cent ;)
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[skinerd]

Just look at the X-Box, 2 students figured out how to hack it in like 15 minutes or something, I bet Microsoft loved that one.

Know what you mean, just look how long it took to get a P4/P5 crack out. Figured that out real quick, huh.

[Faust]

I believe the reason why DTV P4 and D1 cards will be harder to hack is because of their setup compared to Dish. Besides going inhouse with their card production too. All current BEV and DISH cards accept for the new Rom 10X's have been completely reverse engineered, which is why we have those FTA receivers running BEV and DISH and atmega's etc. DTV requires a completely different setup, and from what i read it is quite complicated to say the least. Iwould bank on a Rom 10X hack before a P4 or D1 hack forsure just from history.

At one point DTV was like that as well. The F card was completely compromised. The H however was never completely compromised and neither was the HU and we all know the story with the P4.

[jimmy]

Even if the rom 10X cards aren't hacked by the time the swap is done, wouldn't it at least be feasible to use the magic card as a blocker on a subbed rom 10X to retain premium channels (once subscribed to), and then cancel the sub (which I believe the magic card folks said the blocker would keep active)? Also, for pay-per-view couldn't you just flash your ird with a good stored image once your limit was reached? I'm thinking if nagra2 isn't compromised, you'll see a ghetto setup being used like the one I just described.

[DTVismybitch]

I hear the magic card can keep the premium channels on a subbed DISH or BEV card with a Rom 10X card. As for the receiver and changing the TSOP to whipe the PPV history I am pretty sure the card is where that info is stored, so you will need a hack to whipe it. However is may be possible to change the PPV purchase limit on a receiver and then spoof the call out to BEV and DISH so it thinks it is doing what it should. Maybe I am way off, just a thought.

Even if the rom 10X cards aren't hacked by the time the swap is done, wouldn't it at least be feasible to use the magic card as a blocker on a subbed rom 10X to retain premium channels (once subscribed to), and then cancel the sub (which I believe the magic card folks said the blocker would keep active)? Also, for pay-per-view couldn't you just flash your ird with a good stored image once your limit was reached? I'm thinking if nagra2 isn't compromised, you'll see a ghetto setup being used like the one I just described.

[JARJOZ]

Nagra 2 (or Aladin) has not been hacked yet - and if you load a file which claims to you are more likely to get something nasty ...

Aladin is now in use, so there is an awful lot of interest in breaking this.

If you can follow Spanish, I think the best forum is at www.zackyfiles.com (http://www.zackyfiles.com/)

Interestingly, Kudelski (who make Nagravision) themselves acknowledge that at some point it will be cracked - see

http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr02-03/english/bc/bc11/papers/bc111030cb1-181-2e.pdf (http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr02-03/english/bc/bc11/papers/bc111030cb1-181-2e.pdf)

[Crazy1_79]

interesting document jarjoz, basically nagravision is covering their ass when the nagra2 hack emerges.

[Crazy1_79]

hey you can do a search with google to zackyfiles and it will translate it to english!!

[JARJOZ]

yes --------- google have that translating option

[t160hq]

It will be intresting to see how they define a pirate device in Hong Kong. I imagane since the chinese are now running the show it will be on a case by case basis. With the decision based on the size of the bribe.

t160hq

[bols2dawaLL]

OK . so we all know nag2 is on the way . When it is fully implimented is anyones guess . Having said that i was about ready to purchase Dish testing stuff. I have nothing yet . Which testing scenario will likely enable me to get me up and running again once nag2 is fully operational ? (after its cracked of course)
_ FT
-FTA with magic
-jtaggable receiver with a rom card or
-jtaggable receiver with a magic card

Which setup will allow me to use most of my stuff again ?

Spankyou

[Crazy1_79]

I think it will be jtaggable receiver with magic card, dss neo (if the damn thing ever comes out) and you can't go wrong with the smart card!! You can buy now and get a year out of your equipment at the minimum, Shit I paid for my equipment and one week of porn!!! lol

[bols2dawaLL]

so more than likely the only thing i might need to purchase in the future is another smart card or maybe a new generation magic card ., right ?
Which smart card should be purchased for now ? Thanks all , especially you , you CRAZY guy , you :)

[Crazy1_79]

yep, get a 3900 or a 4900 receiver they or the easiest to work with, I use a dp 301.010 for myself. the speed of it is worth it. It is rather simple to use as well. I recommend a rom 10 card A21 or lower for rev otherwise you cannot unlock it at this time.

[Prime_vci]

Its funny that dtv went in house and it never got compromised "yet" now lets just think what if ford sold a car that never broke down and never got old it would pout them out of business pretty fast even thow people might argue that Nagravision would never do it but look at how many revisions they sold to dish, I think dish will only go down if they also go in house..

[0zone]

shhhh! charly is reading this too!!

[Ghengis]

Let's say you work in "Signal Integrity".... wtf would you put yourself out of work?
When the layoffs start happening at DTV, we will see information leak out.




When the Nagra1 is shut down, we will see the P4's &/or Nagra2 compromised, but probably not before then. The risk outweighs the reward IMO.

For now, as is always an excellent axiom in life, enjoy what you have.

[t160hq]

One thing I have noticed no matter what the system is that even if a method has been developed to get into the latest version. It's never put out until the provider is 100% commited to the new version.

It's the only way to ensure the longest use by the testers of the new encryption system.

That ensures the highest cost for the provider and makes them pause to ensure the next generation will be even more unbreakable. Spending millions and gaining nothing is the absolute best killer of new encryption tech from the provider in this hobby.

So until the nagra 1 stream is shut down it's unlikely you will see any valid info on a nagra2 testing method.

t160hq

[Crazy1_79]

I agree t160, You have been in this hobby alot longer than me, and thanks for the info.