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Chief
10-23-2004, 07:13 AM
:p
How on earth does gay marriage become an issue with anybody? Well, I'll tell you. When you need to distract the public from what a crappy job you've done with the economy, foreign policy, waging war where it's not warranted etc., your forced to bring up issues of no consequence just to change the subject. The only people that this issue even matters to are a bunch of insecure homophobes anyway.
What two people, even if they're of the same sex, do in the privacy of their own home is their own damn business. People should concern themselves with what goes on in their own bedroom instead of worring about what goes on in the neighbors bedroom. I remember the good old days when one of the things we could appreciate in the Republican party was a respect for privacy. Now days we have John Ashcroft and a policy of no respect for the privacy of the American public. The bulk of the Patriot Act is anything but patriotic.
Chief
10-23-2004, 08:19 PM
JT, I posted that pic because I thought it was a pretty good heehaw...if it was Bush/Cheney, or you and I - :) I would have still put it up. I WILL be making plenty of partisan statements, as you'll see in this forum...but this wasn't one of them. It's just funny, period.
As to gay marriage - war, no war, Bush, Kerry, whoever, whatever -my position on the subject is that it should not stand. It has nothing to do with what people should be allowed or not allowed to do in the privacy of their own bedroom.
Marriage is the union of one man and one woman - PERIOD. So defined by God Almighty, and is a cornerstone of the moral fiber (or what's left of it) in most civilized countries today. This bullshit of political correctness...such as removing "under God" from the pledge because of one Atheist father and a couple of lunatic San Fran judges say so - will ruin this country, a hell of a lot quicker than anybody sitting in the white house ever will....Dem, OR Rep.
Why should the rest of the country do handsprings for every minority movement that comes along? Gay people are God's people - he loves them - they have rights like you and I, they shouldn't be discriminated in the workplace - but they should NOT be allowed to marry. Why? It's WRONG. Of course, if one is atheist or agnostic, one won't agree. That, of course, is one's right. This is a nation founded on majority rule, and you can count my ass out when it comes to changing my core beliefs just because some ACLU-backed group starts jumping up and down...
If you're gay, fine, so be it. Live with your choice, and the inherent parameters that go along with that choice.
Over 70 percent of the US population feel the same way, and it's not a partisan opinion. 20 percent don't know or don't care, and the other 10 percent are the gays themselves - and even some of them feel it's wrong.
Personally, I support civil unions - ceremony that would give a gay couple a legal document binding them together...and a sense of, well, a union. I also feel it should be a state-decided issue, and not a constitutional amendment. Our constitution is too sacred to tamper with over such an issue - the states can handle it just fine. Just ask Missouri and Louisana, who overwhelmingly voted the issue down.
JT, gotta disagree with you on your statement that Bush is pushing the gay marriage issue as a political diversionary tactic because of his "failure" in Iraq and the economy. That's a lot of bullshit.
Oh, boy - I think we'll be seeing lots more discussion in the future. Do ya'll still love me? :D
just4funnc
10-23-2004, 10:16 PM
Hey Chief Very well Put , besides JT god made Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve so put that in your pipe JT and suck on it
I'll always love ya Chief!....even if you vote differently than I. I'll never understand how anybody I respect could vote Republican, but there are a few out there that defy the odds.
Ok, I'll admit it, the pic was pretty funny. Edwards does have kind of a femmy demeanor and they did 'get caught' in a moment that could be viewed as suspicous. For starters, I also beleive marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman....even though I don't really understand why straight couples would want to bring the law into love by marrying. Once the courts are involved it screwes everything up. Even though I don't understand it, I don't see how letting gays marry changes anything though; right, wrong or otherwise. What do religeous gay people think?
The removing of 'under god' from the pledge is totally missing the point of the ritual in the first place. It's a pledge of loyalty to our country and that can't be a bad thing. Even if your an athiest it doesn't hurt you or anyone else to say 'under god' when your saying the pledge of allegence. That's how the damn thing was written. It's stupid to even bring up the issue of removing the 'under god' portion of the pledge. Talk about missing the point....
On these two issues we agree fully. I still think the gay marriage issue is being brought up to appeal to the masses and score votes though. I also don't see the need for any national policy on the matter. If were going to amend the constitution it should be in regards to an issue more relevant. I was suprised you didn't get on my case for criticising the patriot act. One of the things in the patriot act is NO PRIVACY FOR ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS OF ANY KIND, and that's pretty damn scary if you ask me.
Hope we're still ok Chief. I was trying to push some buttons I guess. :p
....god made Adam and Eve NOT Adam and Steve....
LOL....even though you presented your statement in an unnecessarily confrontational manner.
The sad fact is you don't get to choose who you fall in love with. Fortunately for me, I've never fallen in love with a member of the same sex. But I guarantee I know some guys I could get along with a hell of a lot better than some of the women I've tried to make it work with. Women and men just think differently and I'm convinced there will always be a gap in understanding between the two.
Chief
10-23-2004, 11:03 PM
I know some guys I could get along with a hell of a lot better than some of the women I've tried to make it work with.
A big Texas AMEN to that, my friend... :) :p :D
I love cussing and dis-cussing political events, and hopefully I'll never lose a friend as a result. I thoroughly believe two people can disagree, even strongly - and still be the best of friends. To me it's just plain stupid and immature to dislike someone over politics. As I said somewhere else, "You hug my elephant, I'll kiss your ass"....well, that's pretty much how I feel about things.
This forum can be fun, informative and enlightening - and hopefully no one will get the redass as a result.
I traditionally vote as a conservative republican - but in the end, I'll vote for the person I feel can best serve me, my city, my country. I've voted Democratic on several occasions. I don't agree with a LOT of things the current administration stands for, including some of the details of the patriot act. I wouldn't hand-pick Bush if given a choice - when it comes to Bush or Kerry, it's sort of a "devil that we know, VS. the devil that we don't know" deal. I feel Kerry is less qualified than Bush, period, and that's why I will continue to rag on his ass... :) and he won't be getting my vote on November 2.
I'd like to call myself a charter member of the "common sense" party, if there is such a thing....what say you?
really I hate politics but my thought is there should be no LAW that says I have to reconize a GAY marrige,
What they do is fine but to do it in public and in front of my kids is wrong they should keep that shit in the closet,
Hell take your kids to Disney land and they see men kissng?????
Now wait , at home on tv I will admit two women kissing is not as bad, they can do that and not be GAY but no way in hell can a man kiss a man and NOT be a Gay person.
I hope gay is the corrct term now < I am trying not to "offenend" anybody
espeacially the gays cause they seem to be so sensitive..
Damn chief opened a can of worms.lol
really I hate politics but my thought is there should be no LAW that says I have to reconize a GAY marrige,
What they do is fine but to do it in public and in front of my kids is wrong they should keep that shit in the closet,
Hell take your kids to Disney land and they see men kissng?????
Now wait , at home on tv I will admit two women kissing is not as bad, they can do that and not be GAY but no way in hell can a man kiss a man and NOT be a Gay person.
I hope gay is the corrct term now < I am trying not to "offenend" anybody
espeacially the gays cause they seem to be so sensitive..
Damn chief opened a can of worms.lol
I see. When it comes to two women, you have no problem with a double standard when it comes to gay behavior......I guess you'll have to throw me in that boat as well. Women are beautiful creatures and I completely understand why a woman would find another woman attractive. I'll never understand how a guy could get turned on by another guy. I don't even like it when my girlfriend leaves shit stains on my dipstick...
As far as common sense goes, I think were fortunate to have someone on these forums with as much common sense as the Chief mod man. Mili made a great call when demoting Chief to mod status. ....a Republican moderator :rolleyes: Who would a thunk it? It's been great getting to know ya Chief. Your doing a great job. :cool:
yes I know double standard, I also said at home on tv.....
your right also chief is da man....
you too JT
Chief
10-24-2004, 01:10 AM
I opened a can of worms?? All I did was post a pic of two lovebirds... :p
I love you guys. :)
I asked my wife once if two women kissing was as big a turnoff to her as two men are to me - she said no. Two men swapping spit just flat grosses her out. She's as straight as an arrow...but like you guys pointed out, she feels there's something strangely attractive about two women smooching, as opposed to two ugly old guys. I know, I know, that sounds like a double standard, and technically one's no different from the other...but hey, that's how it appears to me.
And you don't argue with my wife. :eek:
Damn, I just lost 200 posts. The bossman must be pruning the membership list again.... :rolleyes:
I opened a can of worms?? All I did was post a pic of two lovebirds... :p
I love you guys. :)
:rolleyes:
right back at ya chief, does sound strange but it appears different,
I had the unpleasure of seeing two guys kiss at a concert and it made me feel really sick.
heee heee I like the pic
I can hear Kerry telling whats his name,
" wrong time, wrong place" :)
scottymac
10-25-2004, 06:42 PM
Everybody should be FOR gay marriage, for the one simple reason that 2 married people pay more in taxes than 2 single people.
Us straight married folks have been paying too much for too long, time for these long-time gay couples to get married and start paying their fair share.
tbelisle
10-25-2004, 07:30 PM
What two people, even if they're of the same sex, do in the privacy of their own home is their own damn business. People should concern themselves with what goes on in their own bedroom instead of worring about what goes on in the neighbors
Agreed... but the problem is that now a days, it ain't just in the bedroom!!!
Hell... just have a look at all the fruit cups marching down a Fagget pride parade.
Where the hell is the Straight pride parade??????
I am most likely the biggest Homophobe you will ever meet.
If you like to suck cock, you should have 2 breasts and a cunt, otherwise, keep it to yourself behind closed doors.
It seems the entire world is turning gay! or maybe is it just because now a days, it is just accepted and out in the open.
STAY IN YOUR FRKEN CLOSETS WILL Y"A!!! Sick and tired of explaining to my kids what those two guys are doing over there!
Everybody should be FOR gay marriage, for the one simple reason that 2 married people pay more in taxes than 2 single people.
Us straight married folks have been paying too much for too long, time for these long-time gay couples to get married and start paying their fair share.
Interesting. never thought of that,
scottymac
10-25-2004, 08:29 PM
Agreed... but the problem is that now a days, it ain't just in the bedroom!!!
Hell... just have a look at all the fruit cups marching down a Fagget pride parade.
Where the hell is the Straight pride parade??????
Every day is a Straight pride parade.
Heterosexuality is celebrated in every form in every way, movies, tv, commmercials, everything celebrates the heterosexual way of life. If gay folks wanted to hold a parade every month, why the hell not. If it makes them feel better about themselves, and makes them have a better life, I'm all for it.
Being a happily married white male, I have never felt the sting of racism, sexism or oppression, so I do feel sympathy for gays. It must be terrible to hide who you are inside for fear of any number of mistreatments, from being fired to being made fun of, to threats of physical violence.
As for public displays of affection, EVERYONE should keep their groping and smooching out of public eyes, male-male, female-female, or male-female.
tbelisle
10-25-2004, 09:23 PM
Heterosexuality is celebrated in every form in every way, movies, tv, commmercials
Where the fuck have you been???
Will and Grace, Queer eye for the straight guy, Hell... some might even say Fraser. (Lets not even go there!)
it is all around us.
If I wanted to walk down the street in "G string" underwear holding my wifes hand... I would be arrested for indescent exposure, but get 100 fruit cakes and call it a parade and it is all good!----FUCK THAT!!!
bols2dawaLL
10-25-2004, 09:34 PM
Heterosexuality is celebrated in every form in every way, movies, tv, commmercials
Where the fuck have you been???
Will and Grace, Queer eye for the straight guy, Hell... some might even say Fraser. (Lets not even go there!)
it is all around us.
If I wanted to walk down the street in "G string" underwear holding my wifes hand... I would be arrested for indescent exposure, but get 100 fruit cakes and call it a parade and it is all good!----FUCK THAT!!!
AMEN to that . We're being force fed this shit . I know several gay people and i must say i like all of them . That'd change in a big hurry if they started playin tonsil hockey in my presence .That's the whole problem isn't it , some of these guys go over the top with what they think is their right . Gotta go . gonna be sick .
tbelisle
10-25-2004, 10:23 PM
Finaly a voice of reason!
It's all good if they want to partner in a game of pocket pool, but for christ sake, do it in private!
Trixter80
10-25-2004, 10:51 PM
I always think it's funny when people on sat boards talk about voting conservative, you guys got any idea how much John Ashcroft would love to get his hands on us,he will go out of his way to do it if it get's his attention gotta protect that big business. Especially if your an insurance, tobacco, alcohol, pharmaceutical, automotive, or oil.....oh, wait except for companies that sell bongs and pipes. (because everyone know thats is the TRUE undoing of all humanity)
I wonder if satellite signal decryption is part of the conservative value system???
Chief
10-26-2004, 12:21 AM
you guys got any idea how much John Ashcroft would love to get his hands on us?
Shhhhh, Trixter...he just ordered a Magic Card, to be shipped to his DC office....don't you tell a sonofabitch... :eek:
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