Please Keep My Dear Freind Chief & our good Mod!

[coolwind]

To all members & visitors
Please keep Moderator Chief & his Family in your Prayers
I will not go into any details But do please Say a Prayer For them All
Thanks to all Coolwind

[mopar611]

Chief, God bless you and your family. You will be in my prayers......Mopar

[cojones]

i'VE BEEN OUT OF THE LOOP FOR AWHILE BUT MAY 'GOD BLESS'

[Chief]

Thanks, Cool....Mopar....all....

You can do this old boy a huge favor by keeping my daughter in your thoughts. The girl has faced unparalleled difficulty in her 27 years, with a burden no one should have to carry...and just this morning, lost her husband in a tragic and senseless accident. A Dad's greatest fear is the unraveling of one of his kids...and she's come completely unhinged as a result of this totally insane incident today.

Why does life have to be so damn hard ???????

[lefty]

incident today

Chief, you and yours are in my thoughts and prayers!

If there's anything I can assist with, you know I'm real close.

:cool:

[Cimba]

Like I said earlier my friend,I'm sorry for you all. I feel your pain and wish we weren't a few thousand miles apart, take care.

[bols2dawaLL]

Damn Cheif . Why are we tested so ? So tragic . Ifeel for you and your family . Please accept my condolences and support . So , so sorry .

[Biggen1]

I'm sorry for your loss's. Please accept my condolences.

[BirdieMod]

Sorry to hear that Chief, Cannot put to words how bad that makes me feel. May the future be better than today.

My friend locally just lost his daughter to cancer, Sad when a parent outlives there children.

[ghost71799]

Thats messed up Chief, best wishes my friend, time will only heal those wounds.

I had a close call this weekend myself, I hit a deer, a two point and slammed my car in the ditch I brought that sob home and skined him, cleaned him, and put him in the deep freezer until monday when the processing plant opens.

Ghost

[LuckLarry]

I have no words of wisdom for such tragedy, my friend. I only hope that the wounds heal quickly, and leave few scars.If there's anything this great community can do to help, please ask.

[tbelisle]

Sorry for your(s) loss Chief.
I know this is probably not the time or the place, but, 27 years old and loosing your spouce has got to be one of the hardest thing someone could go thru.

Milli... I know money will not make anything better in this poor womans heart, but, I recommend you create an account for Chiefs daughter so that we may all assist her in her time of need.
Chief has always been there for us, and now, it's time to be there for him.

Create the account and I put up the first 50$ (Sorry, all I can afford, I would give more if I could!!!)

This IS NOT CHARITY!!!... It is my/our way of standing by a fellow comrade.

My sympaties and best wishes chief!

[squegee]

Hey Chief - my sympathies and condolences to your and your familiy, and especially your daughter. I lost a nephew a couple of weeks ago in a stupid car mishap and I understand how it can affect a family. Please let your daughter know she has one awesome dad to look to in her time of distress and that this should be a time to focus on that bond, not the loss. Also let her know, for all us, that a lot of folks in your hobby have her in their prayers.

[Chief]

Tbelisle, I'm touched by your offer....and I really mean that. Fortunately, funds aren't a problem in this case. There are funeral expenses, but they will be shared among different people so no one will have to shoulder the entire expense alone.

Unfortunately, no amount of money can fix the real problem - and that's the heartache my little girl will never be able to completely eliminate. And the pain his family is dealing with....

I feel so strongly about this, I'm just going to lay out the details. Methamphetamine abuse caused this tragedy. My son in law was an insecure, confused man 29 years of age - Dad long dead, killed in a car wreck - gangster-quality brothers, a violent stepdad who's done time for murder, a mom who never held him accountable or responsible for a damn thing.

I'll skip 12 years worth of details, but late Friday night he and my daughter were at a party - he'd been mainlining meth for days and days. He'd recently come into some cash from a workman's compensation settlement, and had one of his friends buy him a .45 automatic that afternoon.

That night, in a drug-induced stupor, he began waving the gun around, and for some demented reason always derived great pleasure from holding a gun to his head, pulling the trigger and terrifying anyone watching. He removed the clip from the weapon and pulled this insane stunt one final time. Of course, you know the rest of the story - there was a round remaining in the chamber - and the rest is history.

I'll never understand the love and passion my daughter had for this twisted, violent, confused man - but now I must deal with her undeniable grief - and she must deal with the memory of it all.

The years leading up to this final curtain have been a nightmare for everyone - my family, his, him, her, her young son...because of this fucking drug. I live in an area where meth labs outnumber the pharmacies and stores that sell the raw ingredients to make the shit with. I've watched again and again as one young life after another has been ruined - kids killed in the explosion so common to these endeavors....lives destroyed, families torn apart, little children orphaned....and I swear if it's the last thing I do, I'll save as many young people from this evil as I possibly can.

Thelisle, and to the rest of my friends here, if you'd like to do something for me which will ultimately help someone else...maybe there's someone you know, someone in your family...who's got a drug problem. If you know a person who's enslaved to meth, or even experimenting with it...get help to them, whatever it takes. It's worth the effort - there is no doubt.

If you ever have to listen to your own kid describe to you what it looked like to see her husband's brains splattered all over the wall, how blood was spraying like a fire hose, how through it all the guy was trying to talk through slurred speech and the terrified look in his eyes as he was dying....if you ever have to stand in a hospital room watching your daughter's whole world flatline on a heart monitor, while the family stands helplessly by, sobbing...if you ever have to hear or see that, you'll stand up and fight this shit just as I'm about to do...

I beg all of you, don't just stand around and think about it...DO something. TALK to your kids. Get involved with them. Show them you give a damn where they are, who they're with. If you're thinking something like this can't happen to you, you're wrong. Dead wrong.

Thanks for listening. I've never been more serious in my life.

[fubr]

I cant even think of words to say.
Feel for you all bud, my thoughts with you and yours........

hope you dont mind I am going to copy this sad story to send a few of my friends who will be in the same boat if they dont get off that shit!!!!!!!
I know this is old but never so true

"God Grant us the serenity
to accept the things we cannot change
And the courage to change the things we can
and the wisdom to know the difference"

[RoofleChicken]

Chief...I only wish your words in that post could be distributed on a widespread basis. I've dealt professionally with this problem for 12 years and I have never seen it put better or more succintly than you did. My prayers are with all of you in this tragic time.

[JT]

Somebody call the gun hater movement. This is the kind of thing they just live for. That's a meth party story if I ever heard one. Meth is a hugely popular drug in my part of the world too. We have a special police force in the area that only works meth cases and clean up. Don't ask me why its so popular. I've tried it and it's a lousy drug. Cocaine is way better, but just as destructive. When I was smoking coke it wasn't called crack. It was called freebasing and it was the cool thing to do. Luckily for me, tragic events got me out of it. One of my best friends had a heart attack smoking out of my pipe. (oddly enough, I quit coke, but he didn't) He died on the way to the hospital, but they revived him when we got there. There were other things that went wrong and I was supremely lucky that I didn't end up serving a healthy prision sentence. I think the fact I was selling to the local judge had something to do with me never having to talk to the authorities...other than the judge. That was 15 years ago. When you involve yourself in these kinds of activities it seems there really is about only two ways to get out of it. You can die, or you can have something happen that's so damn scary that you actually choose to get out of it and stick with it. A word of advice Chief. If your daughter was with a guy that into this crap, then the only way to be sure your daughter gets out of it and/or stays out of it is to relocate her to some place where she doesn't have the connections to dealers or users. You must physically be removed from access for at least a few months if a person is to get off the drug. If your daughter is a user, you might have to really put your thumb on her, and more than likely, she's not gonna like it. It's a supremely tough situation that's hard on everyone involved. I don't envy your situation one little bit. My sincere hope that a lesson has been learned and that better choices will be made in the future. Like someone said earlier in this thread, right now you should try to concentrate on your relationship with your daughter and not on the loss. With guidance like yours Chief, she can't go wrong.....even if she may have voted the wrong way! :) :p :)

[coolwind]

Thanks To all my Fellow members on this fourm for your support for Chief as This Man is like a Brother to me & I will always be their for him & he Knows that
Now you see why I would not go into any details as I could never do a freind this way ! This Fourm Is like 1 Big Family here & This is just another way its been shown
God Bless you Brother Chief & your Whole Family !
Coolwind

[Chief]

JT, thanks for your insight - good advice coming from someone who's been there, and I appreciate it.

I don't need to concentrate on my relationship with my daughter. We are so close we can fart in the same coke bottle. Her loss is my only concern at this point in time. This is her second major blow in a relatively short period of time, having lost a baby girl to an unknown virus not long ago. The extent of her drug use will, of course, be evaluated, but for now, keeping her from harming herself is priority one.

Additional gun control laws wouldn't have prevented this from happening, and any one who believes they would is nuts.

[sukh77]

Chief sorry to hear your daughters loss.
I'm going through a rough divorce right now, she was crazy most of the time but you can't just stop thinking about them no matter what you know. I'm pretty depressed yet I'm only divorced so I can feel the pain your doughter is going through. Again sorry to hear that buddy.

[mili]

sukh77 cheer up man.
When I found out my marriage was in the shitter I was very depressed myself, my whole life just crumbled in front of my eyes. Time heals everything. I could not be happier now that it has happened, if that bitch did not cheat on me while I was away in school I would never be where I am with a beautiful girl I love. You see ever ending is a new beginning, you will see that this shitty mess is just a blessing in disguise. 6 months from now you will be saying: "why the fuck did I stay with her that long?"
Any radical change in one's life brings discomfort as we all are weary of leaving the usual and embaring on the new but you got good chance of enjoying the new once you realise the crappiness of the old.


mili

[tbelisle]

Speechless....(Grim silence)

[copakeman]

my prayers go to your daughter and you.

i had a car accident, many broken bones, head, brain injury, surgery required, in coma for 28 days. i was in a wheel chair for 4 months because of a shattered fumar that the hosp put a big rod in my leg to replace it. i finally walked without aids about a year after my accident. the person who hit me had minimal insurance and was in assigned risk insurance, owned nothing, couldnt sue her.

while in hospital, i signed power of attourney to x-wife for her to pay bills. my mental state was not 100% yet. it took me 5 years to pay my hospital bills. i also was audited by the irs while i was in hospital and again 1 year later, x would not provide me with any receipts to substansiate my deductions. it took my 6 years to pay off the us govt. now i am living in a rented house with zippo money 9 years later. i estimate and can prove she got at least 50k cash from my insurance, other insurance and other payments ment for me. she also kept all the cash from selling a lot of valuable things i had. i had an option to go to the sherriff and have her arrested but i thought my children would hate me if i did that, so i didnt.

i left, just taking what clothes that would fit in a duffle bag. she sold the house, and kept all the money. i couldnt pay to hire a lawyer and i have to much income for a pro bono lawyer.
the problem is, she is an expert at making peeps believe she is a martyr and i wronged her, leaving her with 4 children in college, ect.
whatever cash i had paid for their education. i also took out loans to help them. she took me to court for child support, she lost on my appeal. what nerve.

i should have spilled hot mickey d's coffee on my lap. that outcome would have been ok. ah, she would have taken that cash too.

above makes a good unbeliveable movie, only its sadly true.

chief stay strong.
c

[PinchTheClown]

God Bless you Chief & your Whole Family!

[eddiemiller]

Sorry for Your Daughters Loss! :(

[midwest]

god bless you cheif. i know how you feel because i have been exposed to a simuler circumstance, only instead of meth it was preluduns and it was a good freind of mine that blew his brains out in front of his father while sitting at the kitchen table.
time will heal all wounds even though it might not seem that way now. peace be with you brother

[Chief]

I'm constantly amazed at the amount of suffering that goes on in this mean world. I'm equally amazed at the resiliency, strength and faith that people somehow seem to muster when their world comes crashing down on them.

Read that post from Copakeman. Wow, what an inspiration. I wish I was 1/10th as strong.

Tomorrow afternoon we will bury this young man, and begin the long, slow recovery process. My daughter and her mother in law are so racked with grief they can barely stand up, after the viewing today at the funeral home. Yet through it all, I have faith that they will heal. God promises us he will take care of what we cannot, that he will ease our pain - but never does he promise it will be easy. I believe that with all my heart - I have to.....

[Rax]

Chief I really dont know what to say and I've been pondering on it all day. All I can muster up at this time is I'm sorry for the loss that you and your family has lost. And I agree w/ you about talking to our children about drugs for I have 2 boys 10 & 5. And nothing scarces me worse than a drug addiction or drinking or having my children taken from me from a drunk or drug user. I talk to my 10 yr old all the time about drugs and just as important I get involved in his life as I also involve him in mine.. Again Chief I'm truely sorry


your friend Rax

[mike68]

Hello Chief.

I'm very sorry for the lost of your "son in law" my condolences goes out to your daughter and family.

I really don't know much about the Methamphetamine Drug but made a serach on (DEA) http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/

and found this

"From October 3-7, 2004, the Oregonian newspaper published a 5-part series on methamphetamine. The series of articles contained various inaccuracies regarding DEA’s enforcement programs. DEA formally responded to the Oregonian with an op-ed piece, however, the newspaper declined to publish the response in its original form. The following is the original response:"

FULL STORY http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/pressrel/pr110404p.html


Again I'm very sorry for your lost.

[thekid]

Gentlest heart of Jesus ever present in the Blessed Sacrament,ever consumed with burning Love for the poor captive souls in Purgatory, have mercy on the soul of thy Servant.
Be not severe in Thy judgement but let some drops of Thy precious blood fall upon the beloved departed, and do Thou O merciful Savior send Thy Angels to conduct the soul of Thy Servant to a place of refreshment, light and peace.
May thy soul and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the Mercy of God, Rest in Peace.......Amen

[dw7]

I don't know if I've ever posted in this forum - I ussually just read - but I am typing through tears right now - I have a Niece who almost died after a meth binge and just got out of re-hab ( $15 grand ) and her counseler says she only has a 3% chance of staying clean - She was a lovely, smart teenager who is now a mind numbed skelelton - I also have a daughter who is married to a guy who has gone to jail 4 times for crack use, leaving my daughter and grandkids to come to us to support them - I'm no prude - I grew up in the 60's and saw and participated in a fair share of drug use but Meth has to be the worst thing God ever allowed - I am so sorry to hear about what you and your daughter are going through - My prayers are with you

[vmod32]

Dont have much to say that wll make the pain go away, but best wishes to your family cheif. It's great she has someone like you to go to.

[paulypauly]

All I can offer is my prayers. Otherwise speechless

[showngo]

Best wishes and Prayers to you and your family. As a new father myself I found the bond already with my daughter, and she's a newborn. I DONT want to imagine what you must be going through. I hope the support of your friends and family help in this time. Take care

[Chief]

We put this young man in the ground late yesterday afternoon. What a shame...5 days ago, the two of them were laying in a warm bed, in each other's arms...now, he's buried under tons of earth, in 40-degree weather with driving rain, never to return.

All because he had parents that never cared enough to say no...never spent five minutes building his self esteem when he was a little child...not once in their lives EVER just holding him, and telling him that he was loved....his Dad died a violent death as well - decapitated in a car wreck - and his mother, even though I am saddened to see her have to deal with her pain today - was sorrier than owl shit before any of this happened.

He was an adult, and as such, bears the full responsibility for the actions that cost him his life. But I just can't shake the feeling...he never had a chance. So he turned to the only thing his tangled mind felt gave him acceptance and control, not realizing that the drugs totally controlled him, instead. It's a story repeated every day. The victim isn't the only victim...the ones they leave behind suffer for the rest of their lives...all because of this fucking drug.

I told his mother right to her face after the funeral - that if she didn't change her ways, we'd be burying her other son anytime. He's as big of an addict as the one she just lost...and he's two years younger. Half the family is either an alcoholic or a substance abuser. She can choose to be a champion for kicking the habit - or she can continue her ways and we'll be rerunning this whole disaster sometime in the next year. The choice is hers. And I told her just that.

Not much else to say. Now, the healing process begins - and my girl has a long, long lonely road ahead of her. But we will make it. I refuse to surrender to this evil, or allow her to. If all of you never listen to another word I have to say, listen to these I've written, I beg you...

[fubr]

ALL EARS!!!!!! Here
I am Listening

[senator]

"Sorry"

[lips905]

chief sorry to hear about everything that is going on in your life right now.It sucks but all we can do is watch everything unfold before our eyes and try to figure out what the fuck we did wrong in our past life."wonder if we had a past life"?Myself got married 5 years ago a month later my father in law dies of cancer.Two years later my father dies of cancer last year I find myself in the hospital after some fuckin idiot hits my motorcycle while im riding it at about 90 km per hr seeing my life flash before my eyes.Fuckin hit and run.So i say live every day as if it was your last day don't take life for granted.God Bless chief

[breakinpar]

sad sad story Chief... all the best to your family, meth is one wicked drug... I have a bud with two daughters that are on this shit, evil shit, they wont/will never rat out the dealers must be some powerful crap...

cops are too busy handing out speeding tickets, its a sad state, all the best too you and yours...

[jons121301]

To all who's ears are listening Chiefs plight is a great one. I wont give a bunch of details here but from one who's been there and back I have learned alot. Mostly, anytime we experience great pain we will learn learn something great from the experience, myself I didnt think I really wanted to learn from the pain that I suffered as well as others close to me who have suffered.
After my own travels of 28 long freaking years down the road from pot which eventually led me down the road to meth and crack and of course plenty of alcohol or anything else that changed the way I felt at 41 I finally ran out of answers and gave up only to find myself in rooms of alcoholics anonymous (OOPZ I guess I am not realy anonymous here now am I)
From my own experience anybody who's wants to stop living that life of complete misery will find what I have found.
Next month is three years for me without a drink or drug and with my background of 8 felony convictions and all the the other crap I picked up I am now again a productive human being and believe this , just finished building a $28 million dollar project as head MF in charge. This folks was an impossiblity for me to even fathom.
So CHIEF in your daughters recent loss and the pain felts by a father for his daughters pain let me share with you "WHAT DOESN'T KILL US WILL ALWAYS MAKE US STRONGER", "GOD'S PLAN IS A GREAT ONE", "THE 12 STEPS HAVE RESTORED MILLIONS BACK TO SANITY AND GOODNESS"

Keep your faith in a higher power whatever it may be!

Thanks For All your contributions to the Group here you rock,
JON S. Sob Date 12/13/2001

[mili]

I am sure Chief wont mind me sharing a secret but he was just diagnosed with about a billion of small ulcers that this shit has surely caused him. Go easy on him guys and support the man as he has been carrying more than he should for hte longest time.

mili

[just4funnc]

Chief I hate to hear of a trgic accident and this is far one of the worst. My Prayers will go out for your daughter and the rest your family. I wish there was more I could say to help you at a time like this, but I know deep down ther isn't. I turned into a herion addict during the Nam war and got off it in the mid 70s. I know where your daughter is comming from and I hope and pray that she can see that there is nothing to gain from this SHIT. I have a 17 year old son messing with drugs now and we have been at each others throught for a while. I have ran kids off from my house and beat the shit out of a few tht are over 18 and I am with you on fighting this STUPID SENCELESS drug war. I was in NA and AA for 4 yrs still should be going but been working out of town a lot the past year been Clean 5 yrs now and Love life. I was due to go back out of town late today but could not Leave the Dr called in the family and my uncle might not make it 2 more days and we were very close. God bless you and your Family Chief and I will pray something good comes of this.

[FreshManDTV]

Just want to say best wishes to you and your family Chief.