Bush, ya gotta love him...

[Chrispy_Cracker]

Bush, ya gotta love him for being human too!




Cracker

[BirdieMod]

"Bush, You gotta love him"??????? Yep, One of 54 million idiots. Assasination is our countries only hope now with idiot bush again.

[Chapster99]

LOL....I knew Birdie would get his feathers ruffled with that statement...

[Chief]

I've learned to stop talking about Bush in front of moderators. The same picture, cut from that video, caused one to say mean and ugly things to me, another to quit the site altogether and now an assassination threat.
I'll never utter the word "conservative" again - I promise I'll vote for Hillary in 2008 - PLEASE don't hurt me - :p

[JT]

I've learned to stop talking about Bush in front of moderators. The same picture, cut from that video, caused one to say mean and ugly things to me, another to quit the site altogether and now an assassination threat.
I'll never utter the word "conservative" again - I promise I'll vote for Hillary in 2008 - PLEASE don't hurt me - :p

I'm done talking politics too. I like it much better when we're all getting along. I got way too caught up in this last election. When push comes to shove, the president has very little influence in my day to day life anyway. I'll tell you what though Chief, the Democratic party's pretty desprate for worthwhile candidates these days. Your little joke about voting Hillary may turn out to not be a joke after all. I wish Jesse Ventura would run for office, but I think he's too smart and honest to be president.

[Chief]

Yeah, a Hillary vs. Guilianni ticket is certainly a possibility. Jesse Ventura? My Dad would be beside himself. He thinks Ventura is the greatest thing since sliced bread. (He was a pro wrestler, years ago)

Who knows? Might be just what we need. I'm kinky enough to consider JV.... :)

[just4funnc]

LOL should Hillary win I guess she would take up where Billy left off except she will be giving the BJs in the oval office rather than receiving

[mili]

Chief F911 is on PPV now. Did you care to watch it yet?

mili

[Chief]

Well, you talked me into watching Bowling For Columbine - so, what the hell. If I can get this Magic Card to work for two hours, I'll give it a shot. :p

[tbelisle]

F911 was the biggest piece of fluff I had ever seem. Supersize Me was a better documentary if you take into account that at least they got their facts straight!

Birdie... I agree about the assasination theory being the only hope for the States, but it should be against Micheal Moore, not Bush!

Opinion from a neighbouring Canadian.
I'll trade government with Y'all any day!

[vmod32]

haha, I think we should shot them both, they are both jackasses.

[JT]

I finally watched F911 when it came out on dish. I was really suprised. The only thing that was controversial about it was who the documentry was about. Super Size me hasn't come out on Dish yet I don't think. It is a great film though. I feel sorry for that poor bastard that did that to himself. I mean it would have been ok for maybe a day or two, but a month! I don't think so. If it were me I would have gained 40 pounds I bet. I like those genetically engineerd spuds. They taste good! :) I wonder if McDonald's is paying Charlie not to air the show? It seems like every once in a while Bell gets a good ppv a couple weeks before Charlie, so I guess well see.

[just4funnc]

Talking Dog -

This guy sees a sign in front of a house: "Talking Dog For Sale". He rings the doorbell and the owner tells him the dog is in the back yard. The guy goes into the back yard and sees a mutt sitting there.



"You talk?" he asks.



"Yup." the mutt replies.



"So, what's your story?" the man asks.



The mutt looks up and says, "Well, I discovered this gift pretty young and wanted to help the government, so I told the CIA about my gift and in no time they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping. I was one of their most valuable spies for years running. The jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger, and I wanted to settle down. So I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security work, mostly wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings there and was awarded a batch of medals.



Had a wife, a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired." The guy was amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.



The owner says "Ten dollars." The guy says he'll buy him, but asks the owner, "This dog is amazing. Why on earth are you selling him?"



The owner says, "He's such a liar, he belonged to John Kerry.. He didn't do any of that stuff."

[Chief]

Yeee-Hehehehehe........ :p

Man, you'd better duck, Just4. They'll gang up on us in here.... :eek:

[tbelisle]

I'm behind you guys... let them gang up all they want

[sillywilly]

Yeee-Hehehehehe........ :p

Man, you'd better duck, Just4. They'll gang up on us in here.... :eek:

I don't think so!!! I quit talking Politics because I had a ton of bricks drop on me from Mods and most others on more than one site which led me to believe that these sites are dominated by Republicans. You guys have all the Power now. The People usually get what they deserve, not what their expectations might be since ALL Politicians are full of crap when they make their promises to get elected or re-elected.

My last and final comment in this section so no one pile on, OK? And if the Mods who cancel memberships at other sites and get so uptight about political ranting, why not just delete political section here? Take a vote and be DEMOCRATIC, LOL. :rolleyes:

[just4funnc]

Yeee-Hehehehehe........ :p

Man, you'd better duck, Just4. They'll gang up on us in here.... :eek:

Tell them to bring it on Chief we will sick the dog on them, unless the mutt changes his mind and becomes flipper

[Chief]

And if the Mods who cancel memberships at other sites and get so uptight about political ranting, why not just delete political section here?

SillyWilly, this forum is here because Mili got tired of me going over to ATSDSS's political forum. True story. :)

You have as much right to be a democrat as I have a right to be a republican - so have at it. No mod is going to bounce you because of your political views. ATS's forum works well, because there is a good group of intelligent people from both sides of the fence who disagree - strongly - but are mature enough to stop well short of personal attacks. No reason that can't be done here. Besides, I enjoy listening to both sides. You'd be surprised what you learn, just by having an open mind. ;)

[Reabo]

Yeah folks & another thing. Just in case no one knows it. This country of ours is a Republic, not a democracy. We pledge allegiance to the flag & to the REPUBLIC for which it stands. No pure democracy has ever lasted more than a couple hundred years.

[sillywilly]

SillyWilly, this forum is here because Mili got tired of me going over to ATSDSS's political forum. True story. :)

You have as much right to be a democrat as I have a right to be a republican - so have at it. No mod is going to bounce you because of your political views. ATS's forum works well, because there is a good group of intelligent people from both sides of the fence who disagree - strongly - but are mature enough to stop well short of personal attacks. No reason that can't be done here. Besides, I enjoy listening to both sides. You'd be surprised what you learn, just by having an open mind. ;)

Sorry, I think I may havemisjudged you. So the long and short of my thinking is like the European Magazine Headline said, "How can (forgot how many million it was) people be so Wrong" or something like that. You all got screwed for four years and signed up for 4 more in much larger numbers. I don't get it.

Outsourcing has you all screwed because of of NAFTA and it's only gonna get worse. Why do I as a Canadian care what you do down South? Because everything you do affects us. I no longer cross the border because of all the new BS. Bush now likes Mexico better than Canada. I don't think they ever saved any of your Countryment like our Embassadore to Iran did way back when.

And Bush says he's worried about Terrorists getting into the US and opens the Mexican door wide open. Doesn't he think they can cross that border, and their skin colour matches more than from here, but he always says some crap about our borders being so insecure.

Oh God, you've got me going again. Only difference is I will never be able to do anything about it, nor even vote in your elections (another funny thing since there are till so many reported flaws in the machines, etc. At least, I will say that maybe Florida got it right this time on the voting, LOL.

As for attacking individuals; I don't do it, but I got plenty of it. Guys talked of bombing my house, sending me stuff to screw up my computer, visiting me to kick my butt, so I just withdrew my head into my shell and thought, "Fine, they got what they wanted. Now they'll have to live with it." We'll see how many Republicans get sick of the status quo during the next 4, and thank God he cannot have a third term, unless his "going to be loaded" Supreme Court allows a change to the Constitution, LOL.

Later, Man!

[sillywilly]

Yeah folks & another thing. Just in case no one knows it. This country of ours is a Republic, not a democracy. We pledge allegiance to the flag & to the REPUBLIC for which it stands. No pure democracy has ever lasted more than a couple hundred years.

Most of us knew that. But you are not a one Party (Republican) Country, right? It seems like it at the moment however.

And isn't Bush talking of spreading Democracy thru the World. I never heard him say he was going to spread Republicanism, LOL.

Oh, on my first post in this thread, I said it would be my last. I LIED!

[JT]

[QUOTE=sillywilly]...the long and short of my thinking is like the European Magazine Headline said, "How can (forgot how many million it was) people be so Wrong" or something like that. ...QUOTE]

The headline read "How can 54 Million people be so stupid?" if I recall correctly.

[Mezlo]

[QUOTE=sillywilly]...the long and short of my thinking is like the European Magazine Headline said, "How can (forgot how many million it was) people be so Wrong" or something like that. ...QUOTE]

The headline read "How can 54 Million people be so stupid?" if I recall correctly.
Republican here and proud of it.

Blaming the president for all the problems in this country is like blaming the little steel dog on the hood of the mac truck for the accident.

I see it like this: Republican ticket wants the little guy to take care of himself. Build his own business, and create jobs which in turn lowers unemployment, and rasies revenue by producing a larger tax base of paying workers. (most jobs are created by small business, not by the minimal token government jobs) Democratic ticket wants to tax the small business man so they can take that money and pay for government programs to enable the poor to stay poor and this in turn buys votes. A hand out never solves the root problem.

Let me provide charity when I want to and how I want to. After all is said and done it is my money to begin with. If you want to fund government programs by all means do so. Just don't try and make me do it to make yourselves feel better.

For all that watch f911 please see the balance with ferenhype 911. At least look at both sides before you make a judgement call.

Flame away. Republicans are tuff. They have been accused of every woe already.

[JT]

[QUOTE=Mezlo]Republican here and proud of it.

Blaming the president for all the problems in this country is like blaming the little steel dog on the hood of the mac truck for the accident. .....

QUOTE]

I would say it's more like blaming the guy that's driving the Mac truck, wouldn't you? Unless you don't consider the president to be the leader of the country... And even if the president inherits a screwed up situation, he takes an oath to make it better during his time in office. I'm not seeing much of anything that's going better now than it was going five years ago.

[Mezlo]

[QUOTE=Mezlo]Republican here and proud of it.

Blaming the president for all the problems in this country is like blaming the little steel dog on the hood of the mac truck for the accident. .....

QUOTE]

I would say it's more like blaming the guy that's driving the Mac truck, wouldn't you? Unless you don't consider the president to be the leader of the country... And even if the president inherits a screwed up situation, he takes an oath to make it better during his time in office. I'm not seeing much of anything that's going better now than it was going five years ago.
The president only has limited powers (checks and balances in government). Why is it governments responsibility to make your life better, or worse for that matter?

In day to day living we are for the most part capt. of our own ship. For the most part anything that happens to us is a direct result of something we have done, or not done. If you are worried about lets say out sourcing of your job, read the handwriting on the wall and change professions before it is too late. Don't sit around and cry that your job was taken from you. When you have a flat tire in your car do you complain that it is the car manufactures fault because they didn't have enough fore thought to make a more puncture resistant tire. No you don't. You change the tire and get back on the road.

I would agree that not all decisions made by politicians are in the best interest of everyone. Sometimes only a few benefit. That is true which ever party is in power. That is why I made the comment about the dog on the truck. The party in power drives the policy.

It really comes down to this IMO. Do you want bigger government faster. With both parties government expands. With the republicans the expansion is just a little slower. I have found that as a business owner I have thrived while the republicans are in office, and have suffered when the democrats are in power. You may be a government employee. I am not. I do not receive assistance from the government. You may. You might think that money is evil. I do not. I do know this. What I do with the money I make should be my decesion, not the governments. The republicans tend to let me keep more of the money I make. Instead of lowering the top incomes by taxing we should try raising the bottom by creating jobs. How do we do that? By the small businessman. That is where the true job growth comes from.

[just4funnc]

White House Decries ACLU Assault on Christmas
By Jeff Gannon
Talon News
December 24, 2004

WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- The White House spoke out this week about lawsuits threatened against local governments, schools and community groups by the American Civil Liberties Union to remove religious symbols and songs from Christmas celebrations. Across the country, incidents have been reported where Christmas carols have been banned from school programs and community events.

Press Secretary Scott McClellan told Talon News, "I think the president has made it very clear that people ought to be able to freely worship as they choose. And in terms of schools, he's talked about those issues, as well. He has been a strong supporter of voluntary efforts like voluntary student prayer. And so I think his views are very clear on these issues."

Americans have reacted strongly against the threats. In Maplewood, New Jersey, a crowd of more than 100 carolers sang Christmas and Hanukkah songs in front of Columbia High School in protest against the ban on religious songs in the South Orange/Maplewood School District.

California Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger reversed an executive order by former Democratic Gov. Gray Davis that referred to a "holiday tree." The Republican changed the name back to "Christmas tree" in time for the annual lighting ceremony in Sacramento.

A grassroots activist group, "RightMarch.com" has been urging people to "stand up and defend Christmas from ... blatant attacks."

The group lists several of these incidents as examples of the attacks:

-- In Denver, Colorado, Mayor John Hickenlooper, a Democrat, decided to ban the words "Merry Christmas" from the city and county building in downtown Denver. The Mayor announced that "Merry Christmas," due to its offensive nature, would be replaced with "Happy Holidays." Only after his office was flooded with complaints did he second-guess his decision.

-- In the same city, the non-profit group that runs the annual "Parade of Lights" Christmas parade has banned a local Christian church from participating in the event. The Christian themed float, with its Merry Christmas message and Christmas carols, cannot participate because of its "religious theme" -- even though they're allowing a "Two Spirit Society's" float, which honors homosexual American Indians as "holy people." Included in the parade's ban are signs that read "Merry Christmas" and the singing or playing of Christmas hymns.

-- Federated Department Stores, which owns the Macy's department-store chain, has ordered its 450 stores to replace "Merry Christmas" greetings with politically correct greetings like "Happy Holidays" and "Seasons Greetings." Federated also operates Bloomingdale's, Bon-Macy's, Burdines-Macy's, Goldsmiths-Macy's, Lazarus-Macy's, and Rich's Macy's.

-- The American Civil Liberties Union took the city of Cranston, Rhode Island to court, claiming they erected religious displays along with secular displays on the city hall front lawn in violation of the so-called "separation of church and state." While they lost the first stage of that battle, each year, the ACLU files dozens of similar lawsuits nationwide to have all Christmas displays removed from government property, even if, as in this case, the public displays are strictly from private citizens or groups.

-- In King County, Washington, public library administrators nearly banned Christmas trees in library branches late last month. After they decided that Christmas trees in public areas were not appropriate for community libraries, the library board overrode the new policy.

-- The CEO of Target stores has decided to ban Salvation Army bell ringers from their 1,272 stores nationwide, costing that charity an estimated $9 million or 10% of their funds raised during Christmas. Last Christmas, the homosexual journal Washington (DC) Blade wrote that "Gay rights groups continue to target the Salvation Army's red kettles, hoping to persuade the Christian charity organization to end its anti-gay policies." Target has apparently submitted to their demands. Meanwhile, Target CEO Robert Ulrich took a bonus of $31.8 million dollars from his personal stock options right before the announcement banning the Salvation Army's red kettles. The Dayton family owns Target, with U.S. Sen. Mark Dayton (D-MN) being a major stockholder.

-- In Palm Beach County Schools in Florida teachers were warned not to allow any Christmas decorations to be displayed.

-- In yet another New Jersey elementary school, a class trip to see the Broadway play "A Christmas Carol" was cancelled under threat of a lawsuit.

-- Across the country children have been barred from giving out Christmas cards and some banned from using the greeting, "Merry Christmas".

-- An Oklahoma Superintendent recently ordered the students and faculty at Lakehoma Elementary School to remove the nativity scene and not sing "Silent Night" at this year's "holiday" play.

-- In the same spirit of fear and oppression, at a Jefferson County School in Colorado an elementary student had her Bible confiscated from the playground as she was caught sharing some Scriptures with a friend.

-- In a Plano, Texas school parents were prohibited from using red and green plates and napkins and could only bring white decorations for "winter" parties.

Copyright © 2004 Talon News -- All rights reserved.

[BirdieMod]

I am not long winded, Just say how it is.
54 million less .7 million American jobs lost to cotton clothing imports from china, Gee you dumb idiots, Lets see. 16 percent to 85 percent of the american clothing market to our commy top cold next war China.

[BirdieMod]

Did I say FUCK BUSH, Oh Not yet, My taxes up 30.4% FUCK BUSH you fucking moron fricking IDIOT.
Lets do a recall, Seems his brother made sure Florida was all Rep.

[Chief]

7 million American jobs lost to cotton clothing imports from china

That really sucks, too, Birdie. It's a damn shame that those 7 million people are out of a job, and I feel for them and their families.

Who opened the doors wide for anything and everything to be imported from China? Championed a totally unrestricted free-trade agreement with them? Gave them "most favored nation" status?

Bill Clinton. ;)

[Mezlo]

That really sucks, too, Birdie. It's a damn shame that those 7 million people are out of a job, and I feel for them and their families.

Who opened the doors wide for anything and everything to be imported from China? Championed a totally unrestricted free-trade agreement with them? Gave them "most favored nation" status?

Bill Clinton. ;)

Was coming in to shout the same thing Chief, but you beat me to it........

[Mezlo]

Did I say FUCK BUSH, Oh Not yet, My taxes up 30.4% FUCK BUSH you fucking moron fricking IDIOT.
Lets do a recall, Seems his brother made sure Florida was all Rep.
Birdie BTW for you to be in the 30.4% tax brackett 1 of 2 things has to be true. You make over 100k / year or you need someone else to do your taxes for you (you are missing way too many deductions) If it is the former then you are being targeted by the Dems right now. They do not think that you pay enough and that you should pay more. You are the elite they complain about that doesn't pay their fair share. Check out the numbers. At 100k you are in the top 10% wage earning. Actually believe it or not closer to top 5%. Keep voting for the Dems, and watch your wallet really empty. After all they know how to spend your money better than you do. At the very least that is what the Dems believe. One last thing...Did you return the tax cut check Bush sent you??

[BirdieMod]

Bush never sent me the 300 buck tax check and I am far short of six digits a year.

[Mezlo]

Bush never sent me the 300 buck tax check and I am far short of six digits a year.
After rereading your post I see that you said your taxes were up 30.4% and not that you were in the 30.4% tax bracket. You must be missing some deductions somewhere.

[just4funnc]

Birdie Chief is RIGHT Clinton Fucked up this SYSTEM

[RORER-714]

The Trade Act of 1974 allowed "nonmarket economy" countries to be granted a waiver and have their MFN status restored. Under the conditions of that act the waiver must be renewed every year. In 1979 President Jimmy Carter sent Congress a trade agreement with China that included a MFN waiver. Normal trade status was formally restored to China on Feb. 1, 1980.
,,,,,,and was renewed every year till voted MFN for good when backed by Newt and his buddies under Clintons administration

[Chief]

.....and Gingrich is hinting at a run for the presidency in 2008. If I have to choose between Newt or Hillary, somebody send me whatever documents I need to move to Quebec. :p

[tbelisle]

You planning on joining a bike gang????

[tytyty]

You planning on joining a bike gang????
Since Chief is only into 4 wheel vehicles, he wil need training wheels for his Hog.

[Chief]

Ah, you are mistaken, TyTyTy, my man..... :)

Been riding motorcycles since I was a pup. Raced motocross back in the 70's (250 OSSA, they were pretty hot back then), I've owned 2 Yamaha VMax bikes, a 1500 Vulcan, 1400 Intruder, a couple of Shadows, GoldWings and I recently sold a Suzuki 1300 Hayabusa, out of fear for my life. I've had two Harleys - traded for both of them - one a 883 Sportster and the other an Electra Glide Road King. Wish I'd kept that one......

But I've never been a member of a Canadian biker gang (no offense, Louis :p ) or a US one, for that matter.

[RORER-714]

no high tax to ride dirt or trials ,,TY 50 to MT 125 to TY250 to TT 500,,,,just a mama and daddy that will put shit out for kids,,,mines on a kdx 200 at 15 years old and can run the wheels off it

[just4funnc]

Did I say FUCK BUSH, Oh Not yet, My taxes up 30.4% FUCK BUSH you fucking moron fricking IDIOT.
Lets do a recall, Seems his brother made sure Florida was all Rep.


Here ya are Birdie LOL

[Stalin]

Comrad G.W. is a loyal card carrying member of my party, as Comrad Chief is.

[specialized]

Yeh??
they both are both inbred fucks

[Just4FunNC]

If Two People Of The Same Sex Are Allowed To Get Married.
Why Should I Not Be Allowed To Have 5 Wives And Have A Harem?
Having A Harem Would Make Me Very Happy.
Aren't We Protected By The Constitution For The Right To Pursue Our Happiness?
Or Is This Only For The Gays?
If We Allow Gay Marriages, Where Does It Stop?

[Just4FunNC]

For your Information! Good Reading!



The Liberal Democrats in the US Senate are threatening to filibuster the nomination of any Bush nominee that is a Christian... According to Sen. Charles Shummer of NY... a religious person has no place in Government.




Christians, in America have shown tolerance to other religions for over 400 years. What alternative is the liberal left offering to replace Christianity with ? Paganism ? godless Socialism..? anti Christian Communism perhaps ? HOW ABOUT Islam ?

The lefts rabid attacks on American Christianity leaves one to ponder...what do they plan to replace it with should they be successful in driving GOD from America ?

For over 200 years our Constitution has reflected the best in the American culture...now the liberals openly ignore it. They refuse to follow its decree in direct violation of their oath of Office....




U.S. Constitution - Article 6



Article 6 - The United States

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

__________________________________________________ ___________________________

No Christians allowed in public office ? Sounds like the Liberal Democrats have jumped way over the line on this one.

Hummm, What to do ?

I can write to my "democrat senator"..or buy more ammo.

I for one find "persecution" a tough pill to swallow.

[playme1979]

just4func u are so full of @$%^ , the left is trying to keep bush from nominating nutbags like bolton to lifetime appointments even tho he is not being nominated to a lifetime appointment the judges they are trying to nominate are nutbags just like him and u , gonna be fun to see the senate come to a grinding halt when republicans use the (nuclear option) if all the democrates walk out guess what nothing gets done and that would be fine by me for the next four years tell we get a legimate president
not a crazy ass bag like bush

[Just4FunNC]

just4func u are so full of @$%^ , the left is trying to keep bush from nominating nutbags like bolton to lifetime appointments even tho he is not being nominated to a lifetime appointment the judges they are trying to nominate are nutbags just like him and u , gonna be fun to see the senate come to a grinding halt when republicans use the (nuclear option) if all the democrates walk out guess what nothing gets done and that would be fine by me for the next four years tell we get a legimate president
not a crazy ass bag like bush


Well I be Damn

[jetscott]

bush sucks. haven't you morons learned that by now?

[Just4FunNC]

bush sucks. haven't you morons learned that by now?
LOL not near ad bad as Kerry would have. Kohn Kerry would have the US turned into Communist if he had his IDIOT way. Hell his wife LQQKs like an unmade Bed

[jetscott]

okey dokey einstein. now go fill your gas tank and thank georgie. and on your way back pick up a dictionary and learn to spell. dumb fucking redneck.

[JT]

LOL not near ad bad as Kerry would have. Kohn Kerry would have the US turned into Communist if he had his IDIOT way. Hell his wife LQQKs like an unmade Bed


I guess that makes me a 'Red Commie Scumbag'. Folks dont' come much more patriotic and armed than I, but I must be a commie according to your definiton....be warned though, I'm an unusually accurate marksman. If you get within 300 meters, I will take you down with one shot guaranteed. One shot, one kill if you are in my sights and in range.

To be honest, I've been practicing. I'm pretty reliable out to 450 meters these days. My 7mm mag is an unusually flat, straight shooter. It really reaches out to touch those in need.

[Just4FunNC]

Well I am no Slouch with my 7mm or My 270 JUST as you said, ONE SHOT ONE KILL. Kerry is for global Gun BAN, But he is not to worry us at this time the Best MAN WON. C/P from NRA
just go to NRA and Search for John ( Kohn ) Kerry you will find a list of Links on how he wants our Guns




Hidden Agenda
The truth behind John Kerry`s

record on your firearms rights.

by Wayne LaPierre




If you thought the eight long years of the Clinton/Gore administration`s war on firearms owners` rights were oppressive, they would pale in comparison to what John Kerry would have in store for us if he captures the White House and evicts President George W. Bush in November.

John Kerry--whose record of words and misdeeds on firearms rights has earned him a key place among the most solid "F" candidates ever rated by the National Rifle Association--is now posing as a self-styled"lifelong hunter and gun owner," a faux good old boy who says, "I believe in the Second Amendment."

But as someone who has hunted, he`s not one of us. He`s a silver-spoon Boston Brahman--an ideological blood brother to his mentor, Teddy Kennedy.

He`s married to a multi-millionaire heiress whose "favorite charity," the Tides Foundation, has pumped a small fortune into anti-gun rights schemes.

Kerry, during his 20-year stint in the U.S. Senate, has been an always reliable vote for the anti-gunners and has routinely voted with the gun-ban movement since he was elected as the junior member from Massachusetts. At the heart of the real John Kerry is an unthinking zealot who has never missed an opportunity to work to diminish our rights.

For his long history of anti-gun rights votes and positions, he consistently receives a 100-percent rating from the Brady Campaign (Handgun Control Inc.), the American Bar Association`s Special Committee on Gun Violence and from the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (formerly the National Coalition to Ban Handguns). All of these groups deny the existence of an individual right to keep and bear arms, and some are actively using the courts in an attempt to destroy Americans` Second Amendment freedoms.

On issues directly affecting Second Amendment rights, Kerry has voted 51 of 55 times against you on the floor of the Senate. For all we`ve read lately about how enemies of the Second Amendment are shying away from the "gun control" issue in this election year, a series of votes in the U.S. Senate in March changed all that, with Kerry eagerly taking center stage.

In working to sabotage S.1805(formerly S. 659)--the NRA-backed legislation to stop the endless series of predatory lawsuits aimed at strangling the law-abiding firearms industry--Kerry voted to extend the Clinton gun ban on semi-autos, to make now-legal private gun sales at gun shows criminal acts, and voted to support Ted Kennedy`s ammunition ban, which would have prohibited most centerfire hunting rounds.Where Kerry says he "will defend hunting rights," the accolades of "animal rights" activists tell a different story.

The Humane Society of the United States and Fund for Animals--both rabidly anti-hunting--gave John Kerry a 100 percent mark for the first session of the current Congress. They cited John Kerry as among Senators who have "compiled consistently excellent voting records on animal issues . . ." and who "have emerged as animal protection leaders . . . Kerry has cosponsored almost every piece of animal protection legislation . . . introduced on behalf of animals."

Kerry is the poster boy for a secret scheme hatched by billionaire Andrew McKelvey`s Americans for Gun Safety, (AGS) whereby anti-gun rights Democratic candidates cloak themselves in rhetorical camouflage, falsely claiming to embrace the Second Amendment and trying to con hunters into believing that their rights are somehow separate from those of other American gun owners.

Don`t take my word for it. Here`s what AGS wrote in its blueprint for "Taking Back the Second Amendment," prepared last year for the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). Kerry is following all the dots.

It is a battle plan for deceit that counsels anti-gun rights candidates: "The problem that Democrats have on the gun issue has far less to do with the typical policies they espouse than the rhetoric they employ." (Emphasis added.) In other words, it`s not how you vote, but what you say.

So, now confiscatory firearms prohibition is called "sensible gun safety," although the abhorrent concept of the knock-in-the-middle-of-the night is just the same as it always has been.

That theme of dissembling is amplified by an accompanying DLC cover memo announcing, "The DLC and Americans for Gun Safety (AGS) believe that progressives need not change their positions in order to dramatically reduce, and in some cases reverse, conservative advantages with these groups." (Emphasis added.) Groups? Try NRA.

They are talking about lying, about sleight of hand, trickery--basically outright fraud.

"Taking Back the Second Amendment" means recreating the Second Amendment; twisting its clear meaning to the same dark purpose expressed by then-President Clinton`s Solicitor General Seth Waxman who wrote in an August 2000 letter to an NRA member: "In light of the constitutional history, it must be considered as settled that there is no personal constitutional right, under the Second Amendment, to own or to use a gun."

Kerry is right in step with the AGS-DLC war-plan: "progressives need not change their positions." Simply change the "rhetoric they employ."In working to sabotage the NRA-backed legislation to stop the endless series of lawsuits aimed at strangling the law-abiding firearms industry, Kerry read the AGS wolf-in-sheep`s-clothing script to a tee when the issue was debated on March 4.

He told the Senate, "I believe strongly in the Second Amendment. I believe in the right to bear arms as it has been interpreted in our country" (emphasis added). This is a vital "qualifier" coming from a man who, if elected president, would be nominating federal judges and Supreme Court justices to interpret our rights.

Kerry and also-ran presidential candidate and trial lawyer John Edwards were among those who cast the deciding votes on what proved to be "poison pill" amendments to the lawsuit tort reform bill: Dianne Feinstein`s 10-year extension of the Clinton semi-auto ban and a new version of John McCain`s so-called "gun show loophole" law, which would criminalize now-legal private commerce between peaceable individuals at gun shows.

Kerry--during his national media performance on the Senate floor --broke a missing-in-action streak that saw him absent from the Senate for 65 percent of all votes in 2003 and every single vote up to that date this year. It`s stunning: Out of 20 roll-call votes in 2004, these gun ban votes were the first he cast in the Senate all year.

But he was back--flying from his "super-Tuesday" primary campaigning. Goring gun owners was apparently just too important to miss--this month`s cover says it all.

During his Senate appearance, Kerry also went out of his way to directly attack NRA members, saying, "Let`s be honest about what we are facing today." Referring to the Clinton gun ban, he said, "The opposition to this common-sense gun safety law is being driven by the powerful NRA special interest leadership and by lobbyists in Washington. I don`t believe this is the voice of responsible gun owners across America."

WITH CARBON COPY VOTING RECORDS ON GUN RIGHTS, A KERRY PRESIDENCY WOULD BE, FOR GUN OWNERS, LIKE TED KENNEDY SITTING IN THE OVAL OFFICE--
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT.

Kerry`s attack on the NRA is part of a massive vilification effort led by the Brady Campaign in which he and his surrogates will try to discredit the good works and good reputation of our organization and of those who belong to it, and those who support our goals. It will be part of a race for the White House that will be a campaign of demonization on one hand, deception on the other.

That effort now includes a series of Brady Campaign ads that try to paint NRA as a hate group and try to besmirch the character of leaders like U.S. Senator Larry Craig, who superbly led the March floor fight on behalf of gun owners.

When candidate Kerry talks about his undying support for the Second Amendment, there are two words he never utters. In announcing what he says he recognizes as a "right," Kerry never utters the word "individual." And more importantly, he never repeats the all-important word of the framers--"keep." As we all know, the Second Amendment says in part, " . . . The right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Keeping arms: That means ordinary men and women owning guns; possessing guns; keeping firearms for whatever peaceable reasons we might have.

You won`t find the full phrase--"the right to keep and bear arms"--anywhere on his Web site, or in Kerry`s speeches, his floor statement, his media interviews or press releases.

Kerry`s version of the Second Amendment is that Americans only have the right to bear arms. That verbal sleight of hand fits right in with what the ban-the-gun crowd wants--a future declaration by a Kerry-packed U.S. Supreme Court that the Second Amendment was never intended as an individual right, but that it merely allows the states to muster forces to serve in the National Guard.

Proof of that trickery came during Kerry`s Senate speech supporting the Clinton gun ban on semi-automatic firearms. Kerry told the Senate and the nation, "For those who want to wield those weapons, we have a place for them. It is the U.S. military. And we welcome them."

When Kerry talks about the Second Amendment, it is with crossed fingers. And when he talks about the law-abiding men and women of the National Rifle Association, it`s easy to hear the disdain in his voice. In fact, his comparison of our organization with the vilest of criminals is shocking.

"I`ve had the courage to stand up to those who would let our communities be taken over by violence, whether it is organized crime in Boston or standing up to the extremists in the NRA who preach safety and enforcement, but practice extremism and block common sense reform."

That`s U.S. Senator John Kerry`s opener on the Americans for Gun Safety`s Web site. He is actually comparing the 4 million peaceable, law-abiding members of the National Rifle Association to a handful of Boston mobsters, drug lords and a criminal underclass. Clearly the biggest targets of Kerry`s wrath are the NRA and NRA members.

If anyone is responsible for criminal violence, however, it is those who coddle criminals. In truth, Kerry`s record on tough federal measures to deal harshly with violent criminals speaks volumes concerning his part in allowing "communities to be taken over by violence."

He has steadfastly opposed the death penalty for murderers and rapists, and traitors. In 1996, he voted "No" to legislation that would have limited death penalty appeals--appeals which mock justice for victims by stretching out death sentences into de facto life sentences for the most heartless and vicious criminals.

In 1994, he voted "No" to mandatory prison terms for criminals using firearms in the commission of crimes of violence or drug trafficking.

He voted against international drug control funds; and against increasing penalties for drug offenses.

His wimpy "give peace a chance" attitude on supporting the U.S. military seems to spill over into his support for real law enforcement.

From soft-on-criminals to hard-on-honest gun owners, Kerry continues to try to hide his real record showing where he stands on important issues. And if he thinks he`s fooling gun owners on the Second Amendment, Kerry`s attempt to pass himself off as "a lifetime hunter" is a bold play at getting the hunter vote, despite his proven record of opposition to gun owners` rights.

And the response to this "I`m a Hunter" ploy in some quarters shows just how much work NRA members have to do in the coming months. Kerry`s Iowa pheasant hunt, staged as a photo-op for willing media, brought accolades from some outdoor writers and sportsmen, despite Kerry`s longstanding gun-ban tendencies.

"Some hunters also felt an instant kinship with Kerry," wrote James A. Swan on National Review Online. "As Ryan McKinney, the Iowa farmer on whose property Kerry hunted, said, `It feels a little safer if your presidential hopeful isn`t going to go after your typical normal shotgun.`" (Emphasis added.)

But in reality, "your typical normal shotgun" is exactly what Kerry is going after. It is exactly what he is on record as wanting to ban.

He is a prime co-sponsor of S.1431, which would give a future U.S. attorney general power to ban any semi-automatic rifle or shotgun based on a design "procured for use by the United States military or any federal law enforcement agency"--arms which are presumed to be "not particularly suitable for sporting purposes."

The legislation specifically instructs the attorney general that "a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."

So, if the Remington 1100, or 11-87 has ever been procured by the U.S. military or by a federal law enforcement agency, it is automatically presumed to be "not particularly suitable for sporting purposes." Thisdiscounts the purposes for which honest men and women might own those arms, including hunting, as not recognized by the federal government as a "legitimate sporting purpose."

So truth is, Kerry would ban "your typical normal shotgun." But there is even more to it than that.

The precedent of what "sporting purpose" really means, in practice, was covered by the 1989 U.S. Treasury Department import ban that covered firearms the agency said, "although popular among some gun owners for collection, self-defense, combat competitions, or plinking, simply cannot be fairly characterized as sporting rifles." In the same breath, the Treasury Department said its purpose was to "preserve the sportsman`s right to sporting firearms."

There is nothing in the Second Amendment that limits the purposes for which peaceable individual Americans "keep" any arms.

Kerry`s Web site lays out several quotes from floor statements on gun control. Remarkably, the citations are not from any official journal of the United States Senate--not from the Congressional Record. Instead, it says "Floor Statements: (Via Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Web site)." Yes, Kerry`s own campaign Web site links his supporters straight to the site of a gun-ban organization to get to the meat of his beliefs on firearms rights.

The Kerry campaign wants Web surfers to go there. It wants gun-ban supporters to see his real positions on gun control--the positions that earned him the highest marks for supporting the most radical gun control schemes over the years.

On the pages of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV), firearms owners can also see what Kerry`s friends would do to our Second Amendment rights if he takes the White House.

The Kerry puffery begins:

"John Kerry has voted with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence 100 percent of the time." And it brags:

"John Kerry, in 2002 received an `F` from the National Rifle Association and has a zero percent rating with Gun Owners of America."

Among the lengthy floor statements reproduced on those pages are Kerry`s remarks promising to vote for the Brady waiting period bill and taking a swipe at private firearms ownership:

". . . it is not a big deal in terms of fighting crime. It is a first step. I do not even know what kind of step, because it will not change the fact that there are more privately owned weapons in America than there are by the police, Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, National Guard and Coast Guard altogether."

While John Kerry holds his nose, crosses his fingers and claims support for his version of the Second Amendment, there is no such transparent pretension on the part of the CSGV. The bio of Executive Director Josh Horwitz tells us where Kerry will go:

" . . . Horwitz had focused the organization`s efforts on closing illegal firearms markets by eliminating unregulated transfers of firearms, pursuing litigation against the gun industry . . . The illegal market strategy included implementation of firearms policies such as universal background checks, licensing, and registration."

Eliminating all unregulated transfers means criminalizing all now-legal firearms commerce between innocent, peaceable private citizens. Give a gun to a friend, go to jail.

The so-called "gun-show" loophole Kerry voted for as a killer amendment to the NRA-backed lawsuit reform bill is a step toward making criminals of any peaceable person transferring a firearm without government permission. As for lawsuits that the legislation was intended to curb, the csgv has vindictively pursued the law-abiding firearms industry in the courts, with Horwitz bluntly telling the Tampa Tribune, "There`s not a pot of gold at the end of this. There might be a bunch of bankrupt companies."

The csgv and Horwitz were deeply involved in the worst of a long series of legal actions including the most outrageous--the NAACP New York lawsuit. The suit--which ultimately lost--cost tens of millions of dollars to defend, and was bankrolled by billionaire George Soros. Soros also largely funded the Million Mom March and has funded the Brady Campaign in its efforts to demonize the NRA, and has a bigger goal--a global civil disarmament agenda.

So when Kerry broke his 100 percent streak of missing Senate votes to join his allies Kennedy, Schumer and Feinstein in adding poisonous amendments designed to bring down firearm tort reform, he was saving the bleed-out-the firearms-industry agenda of his pr benefactor, the csgv, and of its billionaire sugar daddy George Soros.

In turn, Soros is pouring tens of millions of dollars into radical leftist "progressive" groups that claim to be outside the new Federal Campaign Finance Law and who are running massive sleight-of-hand stealth campaigns to defeat President George W. Bush and elect Kerry. Among the activities those Soros groups are undertaking are unrestricted broadcast attack advertising intended to defeat Bush. Of course, for groups like NRA, such advertising during pre-election blackout periods would constitute criminal acts. Ironically, this campaign finance law was enacted largely through Soros` massive funding of special interest "reform" groups pushing the anti-free speech legislation.

It is an evil circle.

Soros--whose Open Society Institute proclaimed that it had worked "to reduce the corrupting influence of very large donors to political parties and candidates"--is spending all he wants to buy the White House for John Kerry. And if he succeeds, he will attempt to buy the destruction of the Second Amendment, and to buy influence over Senate consent to Kerry nominees to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Of course, that Supreme Court holds freedom`s very future. At stake is the control of government by zealots who have little regard for the real rights of individual Americans, and who see this next four years as an opportunity to change our system from a government of the people, by the people and for the people to a system where the people are merely servants of government.

And at the heart of that threatened change is who will fill upcoming vacancies in the United States Supreme Court. In the last year, we saw a slim 5-to-4 majority of that court deal a terrible blow to the First Amendment, declaring an obviously unconstitutional ban on political free speech to be constitutional. It was unthinkable.

Imagine if the enemies of the Second Amendment were able, through a Kerry presidency, to install their puppets on that court in the near future. That`s what we are all facing in this election. If Kerry can pack the court with people like Chuck Schumer, the Second Amendment as an individual right will be rendered null and void.


Posted: 6/1/2004
Here is a letter from a friend in Ohio on some Votes

Danny,
We just signed the petition. The State of Ohio, is trying very hard to defeat the mess that the State of Massachussetts, is trying to cause here. This vote for Marriage, was a big deal. Even the Amish population came out for this vote. They never vote in an election. Don't tell this to a Democrat, but in last falls presidential election the Amish went in with a heavy voice to the polls for the first time. I know!!!!! I was a poll watcher.
Pat

[tbelisle]

You guys got in made in the states.... you guys should see the shit we have to put up with recently here in Canada

[Martok]

You guys got in made in the states.... you guys should see the shit we have to put up with recently here in Canada

What? U didn't read the ad in the Globe & Mail?

Cabinet position for sale. Interested persons must be turn coat PC

[tbelisle]

I am still fuming over what that bitch did.

I wish my god damn fellow Canadians would grow a fuckin brain and throw them the hell out of office.
With the shit yesterday and tommorows vote, who the hell needs TV anyways?

Except CPAC maybe!

[CenturyBreak]

I am still fuming over what that bitch did.

I wish my god damn fellow Canadians would grow a fuckin brain and throw them the hell out of office.
With the shit yesterday and tommorows vote, who the hell needs TV anyways?

Except CPAC maybe!
Huh? Please enlighten us on what could possibly justify you using that language to refer to the young lady... or didn't your mother teach you the meaning of respect?

[tbelisle]

That so called young lady fucked the country over. in case you have not noticed. the confidence vote was lost by one vote. HERS!!!

She could'nt get her way, thus she brockered a back room deal and was appointed cabinet minister of Human ressources in exchange for her vote. What the fuck would you call this young lady???

She has only been in politics a year or so, now she runs one of the biggest departments with the biggest budget in the country.

And don't even say she is a millionaire. she can handle it. She is not because of her witts, she is because she is a daddy's girl that has always been spoon fed.

All liberals should just fuckin DIE!!! I am sick of this bullshit! Fuck this country, I'm moving to cuba. At least there, Fidel does'nt hide the fact that he is screwing you and your livelyhood.

[spert]

Yeah, I think all Canadians know what her motives were!
Bottom line is that all politicians are only out for their own self interest. They don't go out to fuck people, but if you or your group (race, religion, or just everyone in the country) are in the way of them and their agenda, well you had better bend over! Bush, Martin, Castro, they are all the same. Some are just a little more subtle than others!

[tbelisle]

Dammit. I knew somebody here could relate with how i feel!

[CenturyBreak]

Fuck this country, I'm moving to cuba.
Hasta la vista, amigo... and good riddance. One less wacko here in Canada, and the average IQ in the country goes up juuuust a bit. Hope your spelling in espanol is a bit better than your English!

[Just4FunNC]

[QUOTE=tbelisle].All liberals should just fuckin DIE!!!



Well tbelisle I will agree with you 100% with you on that part of of. liberals are so full of shit their eyes have turned brown.I HATE FUKING LIBERALS.

[CenturyBreak]

[QUOTE=tbelisle].All liberals should just fuckin DIE!!!



Well tbelisle I will agree with you 100% with you on that part of of. liberals are so full of shit their eyes have turned brown.I HATE FUKING LIBERALS.
Soooooooo... are you offering to move to Cuba too? Please???

[Just4FunNC]

[QUOTE=Just4FunNC]
Soooooooo... are you offering to move to Cuba too? Please???

NOOOOOOOOOOO Never said that. You must be a liberal, learn to READ the part I QUOTED DING DONG

[CenturyBreak]

[QUOTE=CenturyBreak]

NOOOOOOOOOOO Never said that. You must be a liberal, learn to READ the part I QUOTED DING DONG
I can read just fine, thank you... although I have a some trouble with your posts and those of tbelisle. The two of you are in serious danger of giving conservatives a bad name: being functionally illiterate, as well as promoting the concept of having thoughtless double standards. Quite sad, really...

To clarify it for you, I was asking if you were offering to join tbelisle in his move to Cuba!