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just4funnc
01-12-2005, 04:06 AM
Don't get your feathers ruffeled

Is Hillary the Real Target of the Feds?
By Carol Devine-Molin
January 10, 2005

I'm just your typical political enthusiast, which, of course, means that I notice and think about things that the average person wouldn't waste a scintilla of brain-power on. That said, in recent weeks I was wondering why both Bill and Hillary Clinton were exhibiting moments of blatant vitriol toward President George W. Bush - moments that were really counterproductive and didn't reflect well upon the former president or his wife, the Senator from New York. For political pros, they were getting sloppy.

In the aftermath of John Kerry's defeat, I expected Bill and Hillary to be elated with the stage cleared for Hillary's 2008 presidential run. But the Clintons had clearly been thrown off-kilter, which managed to affect their usual politically-savvy selves of late. And, the former first couple has exhibited signs of being ticked-off at President Bush. But why? I was just trying to figure out what was brewing. Now, the answer seems evident. Given the announced indictment against Senator Hillary Clinton's former campaign fundraiser on January 7, I think the Clintons have been stewing in their own juices. They had to know what was coming down the pike. And perhaps they surmise that the Justice Department has another agenda up its sleeve, which involves investigation of Senator Hillary Clinton herself. Frankly, the Justice Department has to do its job unencumbered, and let the chips fall where they may. It's not President Bush's fault if Hillary Clinton has perpetrated any malfeasance that has come to the attention of the Justice Department.

Let's backtrack to the days immediately following Christmas: While overseas, Clinton hogged the limelight at the BBC and took an unwarranted swipe at President George W. Bush who, by the way, was in the midst of assiduously working on a multi-national tsunami relief effort. Former president Clinton knew better than to carp about President Bush at that juncture. A lot was in the works - Clinton had been told by White House staffers to coordinate with them before issuing any public statements on the crisis situation, but he simply chose to ignore that directive. Clinton advised the BBC, "It is really important that somebody takes the lead in this (tsunami crisis)", which was patently churlish and insulting toward President Bush. The implication was that the president was just hanging out and vacationing in Crawford, Texas, failing to provide necessary leadership while the world was going to hell in a hand-basket. What a cheap shot! Bill Clinton, being the consummate politico, should have realized that his grandstanding was not going to earn him brownie points with the American people.

And when President Bush graciously turned the other cheek and asked Bill Clinton, along with Papa Bush 41, to lead up fundraising efforts for tsunami victims, Clinton's previous "jump-ugly on Dubya" tactic appeared even more unseemly. Mind you, this past year President Bush has treated the Clintons superbly, notably at the unveiling of the Clinton portraits at the White House in June, and then again at the opening of the Clinton Library in Little Rock, Arkansas, in November.

Now let's examine Senator Hillary Clinton's unconscionable participation in the "Boxer Rebellion" on January 6, 2005, a politically motivated event aimed at delegitimizing the results of the 2004 presidential election and President Bush's victory. Heaven knows Hillary Rodham Clinton has always been a Leftist - will always be a Leftist - and will never get my vote. But in her zeal to win the Oval Office in 2008, I was originally confident that she would successfully create the impression of repositioning herself as a political centrist. Well, I'm not so sure about that, anymore. Mind you, I never envisioned a true reinvention of Hillary Clinton borne of self-actualization. That's not going to happen. Hillary's "conversion" to a more mainstream stance would have been a crock, put out there solely for the purpose of winning the presidency. She and her hubby Bill love to fool and manipulate the public whenever possible. They're the two biggest phonies around. Bill's lip-biting and teary-eyed "I feel your pain" look has always been pure theater for me and other Republicans. And Hillary's ostensible shock and dismay over Bill's sexual dalliance with Monica Lewinsky was only calculated to win sympathy and help her poll ratings. Hillary really doesn't care who Bill "dates".

However, unlike Bill, Hillary has consistently demonstrated political discipline over the years. Up until now, that is. Hillary did the unthinkable on January 6. She publicly aligned herself with the conspiratorial kooks and fringe of the Democratic Party. Wouldn't it have been more prudent for Senator Clinton to continue to dissociate herself from the political hard left in America? Unfortunately, she's spouting gobbledygook along with those other moonbats. Bad political move, Hillary.

Cattlegate, Filegate, Travelgate, Whitewatergate, Troopergate, Chinagate and Monicagate are just some of the scandals that have plagued the Clintons over the course of years. Now we have Fundraisergate, triggered by FEC false filings and a four-count indictment that stem from a Hollywood fundraiser for Hillary Clinton's 2000 senate campaign. And it's a scandal that will undoubtedly continue to haunt her. Will this new scandal destroy Hillary Clinton's political career, which has been on an upward trajectory from the get-go? Well that remains to be seen. The question is whether Senator Clinton can be directly implicated in criminal wrongdoing. The Clintons always insulate themselves from prosecution by utilizing layers of minions to do their dirty work. To date, the Clintons have been astonishingly adroit at sidestepping disaster. Believe it or not, many Republicans are betting on Hillary Clinton to persevere. Not because they support her. In fact, they vehemently oppose her. It's really a testament to the keen political and legal capabilities of the Clintons that are widely acknowledged. Some Republicans jokingly liken the Clintons to Damien of the Omen series. Invariably, everyone surrounding Damien falls on their sword while the corrupt one continues onward.

In short, the Justice Department's four-count indictment alleges that David Rosen, Hillary Clinton's former campaign finance director, filed fraudulent documents that benefited Mrs. Clinton's campaign coffers. According to the Washington Times: "The four-count indictment said the finance director, David Rosen, understated the costs of an Aug. 12, 2000, fund-raising gala in Los Angeles by nearly $500,000, filing fraudulent documents with the FEC to increase the amount of funds available to Mrs. Clinton's New York Senate 2000 campaign...Two of the event's organizers were Hollywood producer Peter F. Paul and charity fundraiser Aaron Tonken".

Well, a four-count indictment is certainly powerful stuff, and could be construed as leverage to turn state's evidence on an even bigger fish such as Senator Clinton. The pivotal question is this: To save his own hide, will David Rosen be willing to provide authorities with damaging testimony concerning Senator Clinton? Who knows! Of course, Rosen would then incur the wrath of the Clintons. However, Hillary Clinton seems to think that Rosen will be cleared of all charges.

Reportedly, both Peter Paul and Aaron Tonken are singing like canaries to the feds and imputing Hillary Clinton in the process. Personally, I would take all talk floating about with a grain of salt until it could be determined whether the feds actually have enough evidence to move against Senator Clinton. Tonken has already pled guilty to federal charges of diverting hundreds of thousands of dollars (for his own use), which were skimmed from a variety of fundraising events. He plans to write a book on his fundraising escapades with the Hollywood and Washington elites. Peter Paul, a client of Judicial Watch, is still facing stock fraud charges.

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Note -- The opinions expressed in this column are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinions, views, and/or philosophy of GOPUSA

Reabo
01-12-2005, 04:57 AM
An excellent read & very cogent. I hate to say it, but I think she is slippery enough to get out of this one too.

sillywilly
01-12-2005, 06:39 AM
You people are never going to get off the Clinton's case until they are dead and buried, and even then you (meaning all right-wing bible-thumping hypocritical Republicans) will probably find something to attack them about. It's just like the Civil War which was suppossed to have ended a long long time ago, but everyone in the South KNOWS, it never ended! And it will never end either. You tried for years and years to convict them of various offences and didn't suceed even once, and now you think it should be done again. Didn't you waste enough millions of your taxpayers money on these fruitless wild goose chases, or do you just love increasing the deficit to record heights. God help the young people who will be forced to foot the bill. When are you gonna give it a rest about the Clintons and concentrate on cleaning up the basketful of social problems you have? At the end of these last 4 years of the Bush Presidency (thank God he cannot have a 3rd term), your country is going to feel the pain of a bankrupt country with social security all but dead, senior citizens totally at the mercy of Bush's HMO supporters, and even more of your population in the prisons. You already have more people in prison than any country in the World per capita. Half of your citizens don't buy all this "hate Clinton" crap as it is, and when they wake up and see that Bush turned the clock backwards on the freedoms you used to enjoy, sane fiscal policies, etc., it will be too late to rectify the damage done. And his Agenda of letting the religious wackos have more voice in running things over there is almost sending you back to the days of Salem and the burning of witches etc. He just about seals the Northern border with Canada and opens the southern border wide open. Do you think this might give the Terrorists any ideas??? The outsourcing is killing you, Nafta is killing all of us, and yet he continues the same crap and you guys all voted to a larger extent than 2000 to let him keep doing it to you until 2008. I think the Bush Legacy will be that your country will eventualy decide that the Bushes (father and son both) caused the most injury to its citizens than any other President in the history of the US. Rant over, let the flames begin.

RORER-714
01-12-2005, 06:48 AM
extremely long winded on Dems ,,Reagan spit out "i do not recall " on Iran -Contra,,for days,,, and should have been impeached if pursued,, as bad as Bill on a headjob

RORER-714
01-12-2005, 06:52 AM
was Ronnie and George that pushed money to mid-east,,,fuck Bill

just4funnc
02-11-2005, 04:09 AM
OK SILLYWILLY I am from the south and I know what the north won and now they want to give it back but we were smart enought to lose and don't want what you IDIOTS won so keep it . LMAO look where the Clintoons came from the the SOUTH and you VOTED for them ... LMAO

mili
02-11-2005, 04:44 AM
If you for one second think that ANY candidate does not take stinky moneys for their campaigns you are an idiot . These fucking politicians grab the thing with both hands. You care to poke into how much Saudi money found its was to the shrubbery campaign?

Anyone actively seeking public office should automatically be disqualified.

mili

just4funnc
02-11-2005, 05:11 AM
Mili you are 100% all of them are CROOKS and get Richer off the payoffs they receive . politicians and cops are the biggest crooks in the world along with the judges

GHOST
02-11-2005, 07:44 AM
If you for one second think that ANY candidate does not take stinky moneys for their campaigns you are an idiot . These fucking politicians grab the thing with both hands. You care to poke into how much Saudi money found its was to the shrubbery campaign?

Anyone actively seeking public office should automatically be disqualified.

mili


LOL

Shrubbery/bush campaign.

sillywilly
02-11-2005, 11:34 PM
OK SILLYWILLY I am from the south and I know what the north won and now they want to give it back but we were smart enought to lose and don't want what you IDIOTS won so keep it . LMAO look where the Clintoons came from the the SOUTH and you VOTED for them ... LMAO

Wrong on both counts: #1- I didn't win anything #2 - I didn't vote for anyone ever. I am Canadian but do follow US Politics since everything that's done South of the border affects us North of the Border. It's bad enough to get screwed by one Government, but when you have to get screwed by two Governments, it's really sad. I read in one of our papers the other day that many thousands hit the Canadian Immigration Info site to see how to come here (true, most were Dems, LOL) and I do know the "Clintoons" are from the South, but I don't think they're aligned with the Political Religous Right. Your Harley Icon might be revealing as well, but I can't be sure since I only know you as well as you know me (meaning, NOT at ALL).

just4funnc
02-12-2005, 06:19 AM
Well SILLYWILLY I apologice for being so hasty in flaming you. I have been to Canada a cpl times and loved it there , you have a Beautiful country and not wishing you any bad Luck but I wish all the Libs dems would move to canada or some other country. I also do ride a harley as you hinted and yes I have LONG HAIR beard and lots of tatoos so if you hate bikers so be it, but by all means have a great day

sillywilly
02-12-2005, 07:56 AM
Well SILLYWILLY I apologice for being so hasty in flaming you. I have been to Canada a cpl times and loved it there , you have a Beautiful country and not wishing you any bad Luck but I wish all the Libs dems would move to canada or some other country. I also do ride a harley as you hinted and yes I have LONG HAIR beard and lots of tatoos so if you hate bikers so be it, but by all means have a great day

You opened this thread with big smile and I didn't take your flame too personal een though my response might have made you think that. Just as you will always be on the right, I will always be on the left. As far as the long hair and tattoos, that's not a problem. I am 71 and during the 60's staysed in the Haight Ashbury District of San Francisco for a while when my hair was a bit long and free love was rampant. But I admit that I never rode a Harley and although I don't hate "bikers" in general, some do have a pretty bad reputation which has nothing to do with long hair and tattoos as I am sure you are aware.

One thing we seem to agree on is what Mili had to say. I have always said that part of the definition of a politician is that they are totally dishonest, will say whatever it takes to get elected, and change what they said as soon as the tide changes, including Clinton. But I did think he was a President who did a lot of good things for the USA and he still has quite a lot of clout apparently. Whether President or not, the public there seems to enjoy keeping him around. Sorry my posts are long-winded. That's one of my lifelong faults, LOL. So to reiterate, I have nothing against you or your style PERSONALLY, and I do enjoy seeing a political thread where death threats etc. are not seen, so Peace to you and yours. :)

playme1979
03-18-2005, 07:21 PM
im going to laugh the day that all the illegal bs that bush has pulled over the last five years goes public when in 2008 the dems take the whitehouse back its going to be a day to remember but the republicans will still be blaming Bill for everything for the next twenty anyways , bush will be remembered as a fuking religious kook who lied , cheated , and murdered his way into the whitehouse PERIOD

just4funnc
03-19-2005, 05:13 AM
im going to laugh the day that all the illegal bs that bush has pulled over the last five years goes public when in 2008 the dems take the whitehouse back its going to be a day to remember but the republicans will still be blaming Bill for everything for the next twenty anyways , bush will be remembered as a fuking religious kook who lied , cheated , and murdered his way into the whitehouse PERIOD


LMAO someone really PLAYED you for a well you know the rest of the story

playme1979
03-19-2005, 03:17 PM
it was the religious right that got played a long with all the other kooky republicans your the ones that elected a deserter , drug addict, illiterate , wanna be cowboy, and murderer for president. Anyone that says the war was for anything other than oil is a fool , just remember it was about revenge ,then wmds, then just the right thing to do how many lies will u let your president tell u . HE is the biggest flip flopping fool this country has ever seen and history will be his judge and its almost up , time for the republicans to the pay the bill on the deficit theyve caused

keltic
03-30-2005, 09:58 PM
Don’t hold back how you feel Playme. Just let it out, then sit back, and tell me if you really think Kerry would be any better. I agree with you on some parts but if you think Kerry was going to lead us to the promised land your nuts. This election was a no win situation for our country. This was the first election that I can remember that I almost did not vote. Now that its over all we can do is try to muddle through the next few years and hope someone emerges as a front runner that at least has a clue as to what their doing. However, don’t despair friend, were not the only country going through this. Matter of fact there are not many countries out there right now very proud of their leadership. It could be worse; we could buckle under to the corruption that is the United Nations or the European Union who seems to think that the world should bow to their wants. Myself I will stick to being proud to be an American were at least I have the right to voice my displeasure’s without fear of repercussion.

playme1979
03-30-2005, 11:09 PM
i think kerry would have been much better than bush on the iraq situation he doesnt have major ties to the oil industry like everyone in the bush adminstration and he would have raised taxes and i hate to say this , but our country cant survive on bush economics his idea of less taxes and more government just doesnt make a dam bit a sense in order for our government to function we have to pay our fare share of taxes . just so u know under bush ive not paid one cent of federal taxes and thats not right for others but with his child tax credit thats the way it is and yes i do make pretty dam good money

keltic
03-31-2005, 02:46 AM
Don’t let your lack of taxes bother you brother for I paid enough for both of us and my income stinks. Kerry given the chance would hand power over to the UN and ask them if it was okay for us to shit. Oh yea, he would also hug a few trees and kill a few babies along the way. Never trust anyone that values plant life more than human life. Bush talks a tough game but I refuse to trust someone that cant even show up for guard duty when his dad made sure he would not go to war. Let’s face it, were screwed until 2008. Let us just hope the morons do not mess it up anymore then it already is.

just4funnc
03-31-2005, 05:25 AM
Parking Lot Pimp on the attached thumb nail


http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/6019

Just4FunNC
04-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Original Date Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003, 12:20 PM
Please consider and remember this for the 2008 Election!

Conveniently Forgotten Facts

Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow black panther named...Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was suspected of disloyalty. Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his friends tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him.

When they got tired of torturing Rackley, Black Panther member, Warren Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn.

Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black Panthers.

In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbo, managed to get a scholarship to Harvard, and became good friends with none other than Al Gore. He later became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College.

Isn't that something?

As a '60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head and a few years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant college dean!

Only in America!

Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the water for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a California School Board.

How in the world do you think these killers got off so easy? Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial.

One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee, Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member of a California School Board. He is now head of the US Department's Civil Rights Division, appointed by none other than Bill Clinton.

OK, so who was the other Panther defender?

Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other Panther apologist now an assistant college dean? No, neither!

The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University at the time. She is now known as The "smartest woman in the world."

She is none other than the Democratic Senator from the state of New York---our former First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.

And now, as Paul Harvey said; You know "The Rest Of The Story."

It is NOT TOO EARLY to PASS THIS ON, and PUBLISH THE HECK OUT OF IT, if and when she runs for President. Just please REMEMBER IT!

JT
04-10-2005, 08:07 PM
Your suffering from too much exposure to ultra right wing special intrest groups just4fun. Just because you hear it on Rush Limbaugh or saw it on the O'reily factor don't make it true. These guys are pushing an agenda and tend to just make shit up.

playme1979
04-10-2005, 08:16 PM
complete and unprovable bullshit and thats just the poster of it the actual material is is bullshit also

keltic
04-10-2005, 11:25 PM
Let me get out my crystal ball here and see what it says. It says you are a die-hard republican that will fight the democrats with any sort of propaganda no matter how much it amounts to perjury. How can you get by with this? Its because Sen Tom Delay has gotten people on the ethics committee that will lick the shit off of his shoes so he can do what he wants and not get in trouble for it. If people keep buying into this morons crap we will become a dictatorship run by this crooked Sen. He’s already threatening to impeach and have removed judges that don’t rule as he wills.

smilingjack
04-11-2005, 02:39 AM
Your suffering from too much exposure to ultra right wing special intrest groups just4fun. Just because you hear it on Rush Limbaugh or saw it on the O'reily factor don't make it true. These guys are pushing an agenda and tend to just make shit up.

UHH didn't rush get busted for drugs and thrown off TV. ?

smilingjack
04-11-2005, 02:43 AM
She is none other than the Democratic Senator from the state of New York---our former First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton.

It is NOT TOO EARLY to PASS THIS ON, and PUBLISH THE HECK OUT OF IT, if and when she runs for President. Just please REMEMBER IT!

She apparently can't even give a good blow job or so says her husband & Monicka, I doubt she will even get nominated much less erected...I mean elected.

Sj :):):)

smilingjack
04-11-2005, 02:50 AM
Let me get out my crystal ball here and see what it says. It says you are a die-hard republican that will fight the democrats with any sort of propaganda no matter how much it amounts to perjury. How can you get by with this? Its because Sen Tom Delay has gotten people on the ethics committee that will lick the shit off of his shoes so he can do what he wants and not get in trouble for it. If people keep buying into this morons crap we will become a dictatorship run by this crooked Sen. He’s already threatening to impeach and have removed judges that don’t rule as he wills.

We used to have another Senator with grand ambitions named McCarthy, his target was Communists. He thought everyone in Hollywood or in print was a commie, He did not get very far, and neither will this asshole.

Sj :)

keltic
04-12-2005, 05:50 AM
Good comparison SJ. These extremists do have a lot in common. The scary part is that the rep party is willing to throw a lot of money behind this a-hole because he has a firm grasp on the powers that be in the senate right now. (And a lot of not so legal lobbying money funneling his way) As long as he controls the ethics committee, he will be an embarrassment to this country.
Speaking of Rush, I heard him bitching about Mcain and some other Rep not backing GW SS bankrupt I mean reform ideas and some other conservative agendas like the filibuster Nuk. Do these idiot not understand that they were elected to uphold the constitution, not rewrite the damn thing. As far as the judicial appointment go there has been a higher percentage of Bush appointees approved than Clinton judicial appointees. They are just trying to white wash the fact that they want no bipartisan say in Washington. Hopefully it will backfire in their face at the next election in 2006. For a true checks and bal. We need to have a democrat majority in either the house or the senate so the pricks will have to work together and find an easier way to keep screwing us.

smilingjack
04-12-2005, 06:15 AM
I agree Keltic, and I think the end is neigh for them as well as N1, just like it ended with McCarthy when he got too carried away and even his own party members turned on him.

The only judges that really matter is the ones in the Supreme court.
Politicians have been re-writing and trying to re-write the Constitution since it was written and only small changes have been made and most of the bad ones have been corrected, like prohibition.

Just4FunNC
04-19-2005, 02:08 AM
Hellary is now at KFC

smilingjack
04-19-2005, 02:27 AM
Last one I voted for was George..............WALLACE

Just4FunNC
04-19-2005, 04:04 AM
DAMN that was a long time ago. LOL george wallace was the MAN in my book as well

keltic
04-19-2005, 08:43 PM
Hellary is now at KFC

My father still thinks Hillary is hot. Although in his defense, he’s legally blind and has a thing for ugly women. Thank god, I did not inherit that last trait. He was always a good, hardworking man and my hero but damn, he boinked some butt ugly women.