Receiver not detecting switch

[pasor]

I would like to know if there is anything you could do to make the receiver to detect the switch. I have two receivers one 301 and the other 4900 and they only detected 119 odd even X and i have a sw64 switch connected to them, all the connection are good and the switch is good because i have other receivers hooking up to this switch working without any problem, any advise will be appreciated

[j8.]

try disconecting switch then run wires to reciver direct with out switch recheck signal strenth do another check switch if signal strenth is good let recivers say no switch then reconect switch do another check switch i had to do this with my 721s had same proplem

[elgm2003]

Are you using a dp adapter for the 4900 and do a check switch on the offending receivers?

[pasor]

I have a legacy lnb and sw64, now i have 4 receivers and it works fine but when i connected the 4900 & 301 it doesn't detected any switch only one side of 119 sat.

[rocketman]

Having same problem with sw 64 4900 will not detectswitch tried with legacy lnb and nothing now 811 will not work

[fubr]

you must have signal before it will detect switch.
Get the best signal you can before relying on what the screen says after check switch, I have seen it say some wierd shit.
After good signal then run check switch again and it shouyld set it all up correctly with the info it says.

[SURFGUY]

you must have signal before it will detect switch.
Get the best signal you can before relying on what the screen says after check switch, I have seen it say some wierd shit.
After good signal then run check switch again and it shouyld set it all up correctly with the info it says.

I am having a similiar problem with the Checkswitch test.

I'm using the 500 dual LNBF legacy dish and am up & running on my 301.10 IRD, but now I'm adding a 301.13(dual) to this dish and can't get this IRD to find the switch(which is built in on the dish). I'm using P209 software.

Is there a problem with the software or the dish?

The dish works fine with a good strong signal for the -010, but is only picking up 119 sat for this IRD. No 110 signal, even after realignment to a 124 signal strength onscreen. Could this be a dish LNBF going bad, and causing my switch test to fail on the -013???

Could sure use some help, and can't find anything after many searches!

Surfguy:eek:

[Pyotr]

I am having a similiar problem with the Checkswitch test.

I'm using the 500 dual LNBF legacy dish and am up & running on my 301.10 IRD, but now I'm adding a 301.13(dual) to this dish and can't get this IRD to find the switch(which is built in on the dish). I'm using P209 software.

Is there a problem with the software or the dish?

The dish works fine with a good strong signal for the -010, but is only picking up 119 sat for this IRD. No 110 signal, even after realignment to a 124 signal strength onscreen. Could this be a dish LNBF going bad, and causing my switch test to fail on the -013???

Could sure use some help, and can't find anything after many searches!

Surfguy:eek:

I think the .13 needs a Dishpro lnb?Not positive since you say it's picking up 119.

[woods]

the .13 will work with either legacy or dp's lnb. sounds like signal strength though he says some other receivers work on the same line. kinda strange. how may ird's do you have hooked up? disconnect all of them and just plug in the 301.13 to a know good line. if you have good signal strength on both the 110 and the 119 do a switch test. as fubar said you must have a good signal before a switch check will properly detect the switch.

woods

[fubr]

swap the coax from the side that is working to the side that is not. maybe a connection or maybe bad ird if the same coax is getting sig on one ird and not the other.
firmware is current so it maybe one of those 301's that is notorious for this.

[SURFGUY]

the .13 will work with either legacy or dp's lnb. sounds like signal strength though he says some other receivers work on the same line. kinda strange. how may ird's do you have hooked up? disconnect all of them and just plug in the 301.13 to a know good line. if you have good signal strength on both the 110 and the 119 do a switch test. as fubar said you must have a good signal before a switch check will properly detect the switch.

woods

I am getting a 124 strength signal on the line to my -010 and it is showing all channels, and ppv wide open with the all-in-one patch, but only getting the 119 bird.

The -013 wil not detect the switch!
I have disconnected one IRD and used the line only on one IRD at a time.
However it is a Dual lnbf on a 500 legacy dish, not the dishpro. I am now connected to both receivers, and same switch test problem no matter how they are hooked up!

I'm wondering if the built-in switch is bad on the lnbf?

Thanks for the help, guys.

:rolleyes:

[SURFGUY]

swap the coax from the side that is working to the side that is not. maybe a connection or maybe bad ird if the same coax is getting sig on one ird and not the other.
firmware is current so it maybe one of those 301's that is notorious for this.

I have already tried swapping cables on the IRD's, no luck either.

I read somewhere here in this forum that the firmware needs to be updated above the P209 version, haven't found out for sure!

Thanks for the help.

[woods]

even p209 or less it will still pass a switch test. swap cables on your dish see if you get the other bird and not the one that you were getting. if that doesnt change anything swap the lnb's on the dish. put the one on the right on the left and vice versa. if then are not the separate lnbs then you can turn the dish a slight bit towards the working lnb and see if you pick up the other bird. could be a bad switch or lnb. do you have a sw21 you could put in place of the sw64 and only put one cable to it. say your living room and see if you pick up both birds then. sw21's can be gotten off flebay cheep. you need to do a bit of hardware troubleshooting.

Can you get both sats on any of your receivers or just 1?

you could also remove the switch entirely and send one cable at a time to your receiver, do a switch test inbetween swaps and see if can get both birds this way.

woods

[fubr]

It shoyuld be updated to be sure.
Jtag it and flash with current or junkyard fix that fucker and it will update,
I am thinking that is your problem.
The switch is for switching between birds not ird's. so if one is seeing the switch on two birds then the other should too

[SURFGUY]

even p209 or less it will still pass a switch test. swap cables on your dish see if you get the other bird and not the one that you were getting. if that doesnt change anything swap the lnb's on the dish. put the one on the right on the left and vice versa. if then are not the separate lnbs then you can turn the dish a slight bit towards the working lnb and see if you pick up the other bird. could be a bad switch or lnb. do you have a sw21 you could put in place of the sw64 and only put one cable to it. say your living room and see if you pick up both birds then. sw21's can be gotten off flebay cheep. you need to do a bit of hardware troubleshooting.

Can you get both sats on any of your receivers or just 1?

you could also remove the switch entirely and send one cable at a time to your receiver, do a switch test inbetween swaps and see if can get both birds this way.

woods

I am just getting 119 on my -010 and nothing yet on my- 013
It is a dual LNBF with built-in switch, so no amount of swapping will change anything.
I am using a portable inline meter for adjusting the signal. I have also been adjusting the scew, but no diference yet.
I'm thinking that I need a new LNBF ?

Thanks very much for the help, guys!

Surfguy:eek:

[SURFGUY]

It shoyuld be updated to be sure.
Jtag it and flash with current or junkyard fix that fucker and it will update,
I am thinking that is your problem.
The switch is for switching between birds not ird's. so if one is seeing the switch on two birds then the other should too

Are you talking about the ECM fix?

I have tried that, and it won't update - I let it run overnight last night, and no change.

I am not getting both birds, and that might be why the switch isn't detected. It is probly bad.

Thanks, keep the ideas coming!

Surfguy:rolleyes:

[woods]

ok lets say your getting the 110 bird and the lnb is on the left looking at the dish. twist the dish to the right slightly and see if you then get the 119 bird.

hmm not to current with legacy lnb's. didnt think they mad a dual lnb with a sw64 built in. can someone confirm this. i always thought you needed to use a sw21 or a sw64 with the legacy lnb's/

i know the dp's have a builtin switch.

how many cables are comming from the lnb's on your dish? 1 or 2?
woods

[shopright]

If you are using dp500 lnb set 301.13 to alternate
If you are using two singles w dp switch use super dish setting.

[fubr]

one signal on one bird should detect the switch so probily a bad lnb.
unhook all of it and try check switch to zero it all out.
then plug in one ird and run check switch again. then try to find 119 then run check switch then find 110 then run it again to finallize the sttings.

[fubr]

damn page that had pics showing the dishes and lnb's is gone. Sorry bro, I myself am getting tired of half ass answering questions. I dont spend as much time looking at stuff as I used to. cant find the page maybe somebody that has it or access to one can describe what head you got.
So far I think you just need to find the other bird.

[SURFGUY]

ok lets say your getting the 110 bird and the lnb is on the left looking at the dish. twist the dish to the right slightly and see if you then get the 119 bird.

hmm not to current with legacy lnb's. didnt think they mad a dual lnb with a sw64 built in. can someone confirm this. i always thought you needed to use a sw21 or a sw64 with the legacy lnb's/

i know the dp's have a builtin switch.

how many cables are comming from the lnb's on your dish? 1 or 2?
woods

There are two cables coming from the dish. The dish has the "DISH 500" printed on it. Not "DISHPRO".
I took the Dual LNBF off of the mast and there is two connectors for the cables, and I have made sure that they are clean and tightened.

Here is why I think that the Dual LNBF is bad:
I got the 301-010 working the first of Feb. last and did a switch check on that unit to a used dish I picked up at a swapmeet. It passed the test and everything worked out as normal. The signal strength bar showed green and worked for both birds and the guide software downloaded, and got t.v. ever since.

I have tried doing a switch test on that IRD lately, and it won't find the switch, even though the signal strength bar shows all signals over 100 on all transponders for the 119, and the setup screen says "Satellite communication verified". No signal is detected for the 110 even though my satellite finder meter shows that I am getting the best signal possible.

Now with the 301-013, I can get the setup screen showing "Satellite Communication verified", but no signal strength for either bird and will not detect the switch!

Looks like I need to replace the LNBF and go from there!!!???

Thanks guys, maybe we can all learn something from this.

Surfguy:rolleyes:

[SURFGUY]

There are two cables coming from the dish. The dish has the "DISH 500" printed on it. Not "DISHPRO".
I took the Dual LNBF off of the mast and there is two connectors for the cables, and I have made sure that they are clean and tightened.

Here is why I think that the Dual LNBF is bad:
I got the 301-010 working the first of Feb. last and did a switch check on that unit to a used dish I picked up at a swapmeet. It passed the test and everything worked out as normal. The signal strength bar showed green and worked for both birds and the guide software downloaded, and got t.v. ever since.

I have tried doing a switch test on that IRD lately, and it won't find the switch, even though the signal strength bar shows all signals over 100 on all transponders for the 119, and the setup screen says "Satellite communication verified". No signal is detected for the 110 even though my satellite finder meter shows that I am getting the best signal possible.

Now with the 301-013, I can get the setup screen showing "Satellite Communication verified", but no signal strength for either bird and will not detect the switch!

Looks like I need to replace the LNBF and go from there!!!???

Thanks guys, maybe we can all learn something from this.

Surfguy:rolleyes:

Here's more evidence that the LNBF is bad:

My 301-010 is getting all channels wide open as I stated earlier,(on either cable coming out of the dish and only the 119 bird) however, as of yesterday, on a couple of channels that I click on, I get the onscreen message that I need a 500 dish to access this channel. When the fact is, that I already have a 500 dish. This tells me that the 119 & 110 built-in switch is bad and still causing problems! And this also tells me that some channels need the 110 bird, maybe for the HDTV!?

I am attaching a pic of my Dual Lnbf, except that it doesn't have the Dishpro Logo.

Thanks to all who take the time to help!!!

Surfguy:cool:

[BirdieMod]

Meter the dc voltage on the receivers lnb input, Go with the remote menu 6 1 1 and the signal meter screen. Meter the voltage on transponder 1 then set it to trans 2. DC voltage should switch from 13 to about 18-19. If this is ok then your eeprom probably needs to be redone.

[janam4u]

surf guy is it true that the lnb in the pic won't work with FTA because i hear yes-es and no-es

[SURFGUY]

Meter the dc voltage on the receivers lnb input, Go with the remote menu 6 1 1 and the signal meter screen. Meter the voltage on transponder 1 then set it to trans 2. DC voltage should switch from 13 to about 18-19. If this is ok then your eeprom probably needs to be redone.

With the power on the receiver and at transponder #01 for 119 bird the meter is at 13.05 d.c. volts. At #2 it checks at 19.71 volts. With the receiver off and power still in the receiver, the readings alternate continuously and regularly at the above mentioned voltages!

The eeprom size is at 8k when I virginize. But I notice that some others are at 2k size. I wonder if that is a problem? I still think the switch is bad.

Thanks again everyone!

Surfguy

[SURFGUY]

surf guy is it true that the lnb in the pic won't work with FTA because i hear yes-es and no-es

I can't answer this one!
Any of the Mods want a go at it?

LOL:o

[SURFGUY]

Meter the dc voltage on the receivers lnb input, Go with the remote menu 6 1 1 and the signal meter screen. Meter the voltage on transponder 1 then set it to trans 2. DC voltage should switch from 13 to about 18-19. If this is ok then your eeprom probably needs to be redone.

O.K. -- I did rewrite the virgin eeprom only by changing its filesize to 2K from its 8K size.

Flashedit didn't want to make it anything but 8K, so I found a workaround using hexedit. This still didn't make any diff. No matter what I do, I can't get a good switch test or a good signal on the 301-013. I still get a good signal on my 301-010 with every transponder for the 119 bird at over 100 green onscreen! But no 110 signal. I swapped cables 'til I am blue in the face, and worn down knuckles, and still get the same results!

Will buy a replacement LNBF this weekend, and try again!

Thanks again, will report my findings then.

Surfguy:o

[BirdieMod]

Your lnb voltage is good which shows your reciever is OK. Eeprom should be a 8k file. Read your tsop then use flashedit to make a matching eeprom image

[BirdieMod]

Oh that lnb doesn't work well with FTA, They switch between sats way too slow.
2 sep lnbs will fit on the y bracket then you can use a sw21 for dish irds and a disceq sw for fta if both lnbs have dual outputs.

[SURFGUY]

O.K. -- I did rewrite the virgin eeprom only by changing its filesize to 2K from its 8K size.

Flashedit didn't want to make it anything but 8K, so I found a workaround using hexedit. This still didn't make any diff. No matter what I do, I can't get a good switch test or a good signal on the 301-013. I still get a good signal on my 301-010 with every transponder for the 119 bird at over 100 green onscreen! But no 110 signal. I swapped cables 'til I am blue in the face, and worn down knuckles, and still get the same results!

Will buy a replacement LNBF this weekend, and try again!

Thanks again, will report my findings then.

Surfguy:o

O.K. -- Here's the report -- I replaced the lnb with a DP twin and now my 3010-010 passes the switch test just great, I get the 119 & 110 birds with almost every transponder above 100 on the signal strength, where I couldn't get the 110 before.

Now on the 301-013 It passes the switch test but reports the following error:
"PROBLEM DETECTED, CHECK CONNECTIONS"
In the details screen it says: "Installed Switch: DP-Twin LNB Status: Direct connect to a DP-Twin DP-Twin-2 Good Connection, no signal"

I have swapped cables once more from the 301-010 to the 301-013 and get the same error! So I know the cables & signals are good. The 301-010 will work just fine on either cable!

I also changed the EEPROM back to an 8K file, and this didn't make any dfference over the 2K one!

I am using the same Tiers as the 301-010 by using the "ALL IN ONE PATCH" from #40 FAN.

What else can I try???

Anybody care to help???

Thanks,
SURFGUY:(

[fubr]

if firmeware is current then I would check the coax connector. sometime on the female connectoer they get spread out inside, other than that you will have to get a electronic guru to help you out and decide if you need to change the tuner can or a component.

[skinerd]

I have already tried swapping cables on the IRD's, no luck either.

I read somewhere here in this forum that the firmware needs to be updated above the P209 version, haven't found out for sure!

Thanks for the help.

Even lowly p055 will pass switch test......otherwise how would you commision a new receiver??

[mopar611]

I think your eeprom is corrupt..

You know your lnbs work.. Your other receivers work on it..

So your cable works also.. Even after you changed the lnb, its still doing it.

Reflash your ird with a new tsop and virgin eeprom from the download section.

Mopar

[rahman]

To all the guys having problems with the SW 64 and hooking up 301 Irds/811/4900 or 2800.If you install legacy Lnbs make sure that they are legacy duals and not twin or Quads because twins and quads have built in switches into the head itself and it conflicts with the SW64 when you hook it up together
Another hint is to make sure that you hook up the power inserter /ird , on port one of the SW64 so that it powers up the switch for other irds hooked up to the SW 64, without this configuration you will not get other sat feed & missing transponders

Note: Legacy Lnbs can work with any type of disnetwork Irds-Dp or legacy but if you re using dp/dpplus lnbs than you got to install a dishpro adapter when youre hooking up a legacy irds-2800/4800.........hope that is of help to you guys out there...........thanx Mike

[Oil_Of_Vitriol]

When they came by to hook ours up, they got good signal and everything. Unfortunately they could only get 119, the 110 would not come in. After the guy called another tech to check on it, they found that the 110 lnb was picking up bird 119. There was a tree in the way of the lnb blocking signal to the one bird and confusing the receiver. they had to raise the dish up a few feet to get out of the blockage and all was good.

[SURFGUY]

I think your eeprom is corrupt..

You know your lnbs work.. Your other receivers work on it..

So your cable works also.. Even after you changed the lnb, its still doing it.

Reflash your ird with a new tsop and virgin eeprom from the download section.

Mopar

I have reflashed the receiver with 4 different files, including my original ones.
No change, and still can't get the software download or the Guide!
Still says: "PROBLEM DETECTED, CHECK CONNECTIONS"

May have to throw this receiver away and get another one!!!

Thanks to all for your help, I'm about to give up on this one.

Surfguy:confused:

[SURFGUY]

I have reflashed the receiver with 4 different files, including my original ones.
No change, and still can't get the software download or the Guide!
Still says: "PROBLEM DETECTED, CHECK CONNECTIONS"

May have to throw this receiver away and get another one!!!

Thanks to all for your help, I'm about to give up on this one.

Surfguy:confused:

I am setting this one aside, and giving up on it. Just a bad unit I guess!
Got screwed by Ebay again!
Thanks to everybody who helped out!

Surfguy:(