Another car freak discussion :)

[Chief]

Damn, I am a newbie with only 1600 posts now. :(

For you engine and tech nuts out there, that old Hemi is sitting in the back of Tony Schumacher's top fuel dragster. Despite what the avatar looks like, the engine turns counterclockwise...clockwise if you're standing in front looking at it (as was the camera that took this picture)

Here's some interesting facts about that engine:

Supercharged, hemispherical head V8
500 cubic inch (8.2 Litres) displacement
Burns nitromethane fuel - cost, 20 US dollars/gallon
Fuel consumption at full throttle - approx. 2 gallons per second
Power output - 8,000 hp @ 8,000 RPM
Torque output - approx. 6,000 lbs/ft
Cost - approx. $60,000 US
Must be completely rebuilt after every 1/4 mile run
Takes 1000 horsepower to drive the supercharger alone
EACH CYLINDER produces 1,000 horsepower
Max combustion temperature at full load - 7000 degrees F

It will accelerate a 2,200 pound vehicle off the starting line at 5.5 G's...and power it to 335 mph in 4.4 seconds.

[Budreaux]

Damn, I am a newbie with only 1600 posts now. :(

For you engine and tech nuts out there, that old Hemi is sitting in the back of Tony Schumacher's top fuel dragster. Despite what the avatar looks like, the engine turns counterclockwise...clockwise if you're standing in front looking at it (as was the camera that took this picture)

Here's some interesting facts about that engine:

Supercharged, hemispherical head V8
500 cubic inch (8.2 Litres) displacement
Burns nitromethane fuel - cost, 20 US dollars/gallon
Fuel consumption at full throttle - approx. 2 gallons per second
Power output - 8,000 hp @ 8,000 RPM
Torque output - approx. 6,000 lbs/ft
Cost - approx. $60,000 US
Must be completely rebuilt after every 1/4 mile run
Takes 1000 horsepower to drive the supercharger alone
EACH CYLINDER produces 1,000 horsepower
Max combustion temperature at full load - 7000 degrees F

It will accelerate a 2,200 pound vehicle off the starting line at 5.5 G's...and power it to 335 mph in 4.4 seconds.
Yeah, I had one of those, but it was too hard finding the fuel to drive it on a daily basis to and from work. It really was a bummer, cause I tend to run late in the mornings, this little puppy helped me get to work on time. :p

Budreaux

[bols2dawaLL]

actually the one i had , had an auto trans. - it was even tougher on fuel - hehe

[keltic]

That is one bad Hemi but to be honest, the design is so far from the original dodge shouldn’t even be able to put their name on it. Does Schumacher use KB hemis or another design? I got out of drag racing quite a few years ago and never had the desire to get back into it. Then again, when you have been working on cars as long as I have you just start to hate cars.

[keltic]

Yeah, I had one of those, but it was too hard finding the fuel to drive it on a daily basis to and from work. It really was a bummer, cause I tend to run late in the mornings, this little puppy helped me get to work on time. :p

Budreaux


Budreaux do what I did 25 years ago, drop a 460 out of a 71 Lincoln into a Pinto wagon. Had an Isky cam and 10.5 to1 compression. Used the rear end out of a wrecked stang and the tires stuck out like an open wheel dirt tracker. All you need is a torch, welder, some scrap iron, 20lb sledge, and more balls then brains. We had 13 people and a keg in that beast one time. The springs were bottomed out and road like a log wagon but I was kicking the shit out of the Chevelles and camaros around home with the little piece of shit till it finally collapsed into a pile of rubble. Don’t have near the balls now that I did then. Problem is my brain ain’t much better either.

[mili]

Oh Lord

The car freaks are here. Let me split this thread and you guys can continue going at it.

mili

[keltic]

Oh Lord

The car freaks are here. Let me split this thread and you guys can continue going at it.

mili


Sorry Mili, looks like we hijacked the shit out of that thread. But at least it was peaceful. And a better topic to boot!

[mopar611]

Nice Chief!!!!

4.150 stroke in a 440 is 496 when bored 60 over. Pretty easy to achieve with just a little grinding to clear the crank. 600 hp on pump gas and 10 to 1 compression with aluminum heads will open a can of whoop ass on any crapolet or f0rd.

Ahhhh, love mopars.

[Chief]

Does Schumacher use KB hemis or another design?

Three engine blocks are currently allowed in NHRA Top Fuel and Funny Car...and as of this year, they must be forged and not cast aluminum.

1) Brad Anderson
2) Rodeck
3) Keith Black Stage 15

Don't make me testify, but I think Shoe uses KB equipment.

The combustion chamber design is actually quite close to what Chrysler introduced over 50 years ago...but like you said, other than that...name only.

When it comes to automotive discussions, I reserve the right to hijack any and all threads...and you have my word that I will never fuss a member for doing so, either....sorry, Mili :p

Mopar, I wish you'd do an audio of that hot rod of yours, and upload it...I haven't listened to a stout 440 in a long time. My 1969 Camaro SS (502 crate motor, with some mods) will hold its own with that Chrysler stuff...but it doesn't have that unique Magnum sound. WHAP....WHAP...ahh, I can hear it now.... :)

[mopar611]

Chief, I dont have a stroker 440. Just posting some more mopar knowledge.

I do have a stout 440 though with around 450 hp though in my powerwagon. I have beat down alot of old muscle cars and trucks and even a few rice rockets. But I by no means have the fastest ride in town. But it will throw mud a country mile though. Getting ready for the mud runs next year. Not gonna let ma mopar down.

I called Randys Ring and Pinion today looking for a lock for my dana 60s. That new electric locker is only 1100 installed. Gonna get it.

Had some bad luck today also. Broke a rear u-joint. Going to 1410, 1 ton stuff. I have upgraded motor and axles but have left behind the little important stuff.....like u-joints. 450 hp is not good on 1/2 ton u-joints.....LOL

Dont know how to upload sound, but could take a pic for ya.

Mopar

[RoofleChicken]

All you need is a torch, welder, some scrap iron, 20lb sledge, and more balls then brains..

This my friends, is the true essence of all automotive work. Especially the sledge hammer. It's the final answer to any performance problem.

[tbelisle]

I got my ten year old workin with me in the garage right now...
Plan on puttin the block from my 85 Artic Cat Pantera sled (440cc) in a 1 seater dune buggy for him.
Don't worry guys, I will install a limiter and I do have a little trick under my sleave that he does not know about yet. I have built a remote kill switch that I will have in my pocket in case he starts acting like chief or something!

[keltic]

Nice Chief!!!!

4.150 stroke in a 440 is 496 when bored 60 over. Pretty easy to achieve with just a little grinding to clear the crank. 600 hp on pump gas and 10 to 1 compression with aluminum heads will open a can of whoop ass on any crapolet or f0rd.

Ahhhh, love mopars.

Be careful there Mopar, I may have gotten away from drag racing years ago but I could still make a big block FORD run with the 440 and its weak bottom end. That wedge sounded good but didn’t take the flogging that you could give an old FE series Ford.

[mopar611]

Be careful there Mopar, I may have gotten away from drag racing years ago but I could still make a big block FORD run with the 440 and its weak bottom end. That wedge sounded good but didn’t take the flogging that you could give an old FE series Ford.


What the hell is Ford???

As far as a weak bottom end, never seen one give-way yet! (built right)

I am sure if you dump 60,000 in a mega block, any motor will run 4.4 second quarter mile if enough money is dumped into it. I dont doubt that.

I prefer to talk about good old streetable muscle car/truck that I can afford and drive every day. Whoop on some old stuff and new stuff. Hell, been looking for one of those new mustangs ford put out and add it to my pieces of shit list.

Mopar

[keltic]

What the hell is Ford???

As far as a weak bottom end, never seen one give-way yet! (built right)

I am sure if you dump 60,000 in a mega block, any motor will run 4.4 second quarter mile if enough money is dumped into it. I dont doubt that.

I prefer to talk about good old streetable muscle car/truck that I can afford and drive every day. Whoop on some old stuff and new stuff. Hell, been looking for one of those new mustangs ford put out and add it to my pieces of shit list.

Mopar

Ford is that truck pulling that broken Dodge and its load back to the shop so you can get it fixed.

$60,000! I wouldn’t drop that much in any old or new car.

As far as everyday drivers I’ll stick with my Fords, I have a shed full old ford engines and parts. I’ve been thinking about building me a T-bucket and putting that old Merc flathead and overdrive in the thing. That flathead has a sound unlike anything else ever made. Add headers and that old ¾ cam and then you have a true old streetrod. If I find me a decent 40-ford coupe, it will happen.

[mopar611]

Ford is that truck pulling that broken Dodge and its load back to the shop so you can get it fixed.

$60,000! I wouldn’t drop that much in any old or new car.

As far as everyday drivers I’ll stick with my Fords, I have a shed full old ford engines and parts. I’ve been thinking about building me a T-bucket and putting that old Merc flathead and overdrive in the thing. That flathead has a sound unlike anything else ever made. Add headers and that old ¾ cam and then you have a true old streetrod. If I find me a decent 40-ford coupe, it will happen.

I have had my fair share of getting towed to the shop for repairs. Goes with the territory of owning old rigs. I have seen alot of fords and chevies and mopars getting towed due to the owners lacking the knowledge to keep there rigs up to par. I am the opposite. I overkill everything on my truck. I dont like to have a nice truck that sounds good breaking down on the bridge holding up traffic.


As far as you Keltic towing this so called dodge and load.....Dont care. Every truck has its bad day. They all do. I have yet to tow anybody with my 2 trucks yet and cant wait for the day when I can take a pic and post it in this section to piss off a couple of die hard ford/chevy guys in the process. Thats what its all about right?

Mopar

[smilingjack]

Racing, cars and engines, have very little to do with the shape or the name on the grille. Cars have more to do with racing than racing has to do with cars. There is ALWAYS one model made by detroit by each manufacturer with the right shape for racing, they could not race (NASCAR) if there was no production car made that way. A race car is REQUIRED to look like a production car.

It used to be when you raced a chevy it was a chevy.

Now the body is shaped and painted to look like a chevy but is custom made from sheet metal by a race car body shop. They have to match a cutout / template that NASCAR uses that is made in the shape of a production car. that's all.

The engine has no chevy parts in it. It is also custom built from racing parts and cost more than your house and car combined.

The suspension is special, never saw detroit, The transmission is hand made from custom parts. The spindles and brakes are made just for racing, The wheels are made from 1/4 " plate steel, not those beer cans we ride around on.

And guess what, ALL stock racing cars use FORD designed quick change racing rear ends (differentals) They are the best made and are quick change so they can change gear ratio's for different tracks in 30 minutes.

They are pretty though.

Drag Racers Lke Chief's picture are more exotic.
(They use industrial engine blocks to start with, only thing big and strong enough)

[keltic]

I have had my fair share of getting towed to the shop for repairs. Goes with the territory of owning old rigs. I have seen alot of fords and chevies and mopars getting towed due to the owners lacking the knowledge to keep there rigs up to par. I am the opposite. I overkill everything on my truck. I dont like to have a nice truck that sounds good breaking down on the bridge holding up traffic.


As far as you Keltic towing this so called dodge and load.....Dont care. Every truck has its bad day. They all do. I have yet to tow anybody with my 2 trucks yet and cant wait for the day when I can take a pic and post it in this section to piss off a couple of die hard ford/chevy guys in the process. Thats what its all about right?

Mopar

When I was young, I believed in the push a Ford before driving a Chevy or Dodge theory. Now many years and 60lbs latter I will drive a Mitsubishi before I walk any father then I have too. I also know that all the car companies make good cars and turnout quite a few lemons at the same time. I’m more set on Fords because of the amount of parts I’ve accumulated for them over the years. Heck this is starting to bring back the itch to build another toy.

As far as the towing back to town you are correct. I had more fun dragging a buddies Chevy to town and making laps around the square with him standing on the brake trying to stop me after he blew the engine trying to out run my 69 ford pk than I ever did winning a race. I drug him far enough that he screwed up the tires trying to get me to stop. We all should get to experience moments like that. Hope you get to have that kind of fun if you haven’t already Mopar. :D

[tbelisle]

Mitsubishi???? god damn man! you need to get yourself some real wheels!

Are you 16 or something? I bet you got 12 inch subs in there too!

[keltic]

Mitsubishi???? god damn man! you need to get yourself some real wheels!

Are you 16 or something? I bet you got 12 inch subs in there too!


I didn’t say that I drove a Mitsubishi only that I would before resorting to the undue exertion of walking back to town.

Thank you for calling me 16 but I passed that mark a few decades ago.

No 12s but I do have a base tube in the trunk for a little base punch that my 6x9s lacked.

Still got an 8track hung under the dash of my old truck too.

[mopar611]

When I was young, I believed in the push a Ford before driving a Chevy or Dodge theory. Now many years and 60lbs latter I will drive a Mitsubishi before I walk any father then I have too. I also know that all the car companies make good cars and turnout quite a few lemons at the same time. I’m more set on Fords because of the amount of parts I’ve accumulated for them over the years. Heck this is starting to bring back the itch to build another toy.

As far as the towing back to town you are correct. I had more fun dragging a buddies Chevy to town and making laps around the square with him standing on the brake trying to stop me after he blew the engine trying to out run my 69 ford pk than I ever did winning a race. I drug him far enough that he screwed up the tires trying to get me to stop. We all should get to experience moments like that. Hope you get to have that kind of fun if you haven’t already Mopar. :D

Ya, my truck has broke down. Did it a few days ago....SHIT.

Broke a new u-joint on the bridge. Oh well. Thank god my driveline landed under my front tire to keep my truck from rolling backwards so I could get out and lock in the hubs. New driveline too. Then after I go back to the driveling place and get a new u-joint they tell me its 1/2 ton stuff and with the big tires and motor I will break them all day long. So I ask for 1 ton stuff and he tell me @500 dollars he will hook me up. Why not tell me that the first time before you built my 1/2 ton driveline. FUCKERS. Want more money.

Ya Im still pissed about it.

Mopar

[smilingjack]

Try going with a 3/4 ton set up. cheaper

At the back of the tranny and the front of the differential there are the other ends of the U-Joint holders, on most 1/2 ton set ups you can change them to 3/4 ton, get a 3/4 ton driveline.
You may have to have one end redone for legnth. Make syre you get 4 X 4 stuff.

Most of the time if the truck is not brand new, or if you are in a big city you can find all you need from a wreck cheap. The 3/4 ton is twice as strong as the 1/2 ton, not as heavy as a 1 ton but a lot cheaper and unless you are a real wild driver and have a modified engine it should hold up.

Sj

[mopar611]

He said he would make it out of aluminum so its lighter. I dont care really. Just as long as It dont break again.

[smilingjack]

He really want's return business from you dosen't he. LMAOROTF

Aluminum would work only if you have a 6 cyl engine and 13 inch tires on that truck.
Anything else will roll that tube around and around til it breaks without turning a wheel.
It would have to be SOLID amuminum not a tube to hold up to a big 4 X 4.

Go to another shop, this guy saw the sign on your, back "Dumb & Rich"

[mopar611]

I see a big can of whoop-ass coming on here. I am going down there tomorrow and ask him what the hell is going on.

Sonsabitches

[keltic]

He said he would make it out of aluminum so its lighter. I dont care really. Just as long as It dont break again.

If they use quality tubing, it will hold. That’s what the big boys use with more torque than that to twist the tires. It is a matter of physics, the liter the reciprocating mass the more power to the wheels. However, steel would be a whole lot cheaper. Check around and see if there is a place near you that has a good rep and deals mainly with drivelines. You will probably find someone that can weld bigger yokes to your existing shaft.

[smilingjack]

Hey Keltic,

I not only have a 8 track but I have the adapter to play FM radio on it.

They came out before FM radio's or stero other than 8 track's were in cars.

Looks like a tape and has a tuning knob on the front, pops right in the player !

WOW FM in a car !

Sj

[keltic]

Hey Keltic,

I not only have a 8 track but I have the adapter to play FM radio on it.

They came out before FM radio's or stero other than 8 track's were in cars.

Looks like a tape and has a tuning knob on the front, pops right in the player !

WOW FM in a car !

Sj


SJ'



Have you seen a 4-track tape player? Looks like an 8 track but they don’t interchange. They came out before the 8.

I still have an adapter to play cassettes in my 8 track.

I’ll have too find one of those fm adapters just too say I have one. I like the old stuff. Brings back fond memories of women and beer and not necessarily always in that order. The Good Old Days!

If were not careful this is going to start showing our age.

[smilingjack]

NO I dont remember a 4 track player.

YES I remember the cassette adapters, had one but it went 'away' I think one of the kids traded it off on me back when that stuff was not worth anything and it was just old junk.

I think we already did, he he

[Ohms]

Yeah, but is your 8-track QUAD?
I still remember listening to the old quad 8-tracks in my 65 mustang.
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