Wrong Sat???

[socawarria]

Hello All; I am having trouble receiving Sat 119 on my receiver
Listed below is all of the gathered information.

I recently moved and my new location requests the following;
Azimuth; 245 Elevation; 26 and Skew; 125

When I performed a check switch via Menu, 6 - 1 - 1 I receive the following;
LNBs DP-TWIN - 1
Input: 1----------- 2
Satellite: 110--------Conn
Polarity: All------------X
Device: Twin---------Twin
Status: WARNING - Only One Satellite Connected

When I go to Sys Info I receive the following
Satellite: 110---------------------------Conn
Signal: Green Shaded Box---------Red Shaded Box with White Cross

When I do a signal test I receive the following;
Transponder - 01
110 - Locked at 105 signal strength
119 - Signal Strength is 96, Wrong Sat - Echostar 110 West

Tested is a 301.10 with a Rom 10 and No More Blocker. Tiers
were created by Tiergen1.

Any help will greatly be appreciated.
Thanks

[just4funnc]

Not sure if this helps but i had the same problem a while back and found out a tree was blocking the signal moved the disk about 5 feet and started over and no ploblems hit 119 right away.
Just4FunNC

[smilingjack]

Sounds like you are getting 110 on both LNB's

Check the LNB mount and post to see if it is bent or aligned wrong so only 1 sat is getting reflected to the LNB's, Maybe it got banged around during the move.

Use the set up on the 119 setting to re-aim the dish, Factory manual says to set the dish to get 119 then 110 should come in. Once you get 119 you may have to adjust the Skew for 110

Only other thing I can think of is a bad switch which is built in in the DP 500

Sj

[socawarria]

Thanks guys I will try both, does the cam or blockers have anything to do with this???

[smilingjack]

No it does not, as long as you have some channels they are working fine.
It is either bad dish alignment or a bad switch.

Sj

[jinx]

had same problem last week. Try this

cover the 110 lnb and see if you lose the signal.
if you do not the you have the 119 lnd pointed at the 110 sat.

leave the 110 lnb covered and re-aim the 119 lnb until you get the 119 sat on the 119 lnb.

This worked for me.

[smilingjack]

Good idea I think that's what he has done.

People get careless when mounting the bracket and do not use a level on all 4 sides to make sure the pole is perfect up and down, left and right.

A small error here makes a shitload of difference to the settings on the dish.

[socawarria]

Anything particular I should cover it with??

Thanks

[smilingjack]

You hand will do, or wrap it in aluminum foil, just the one not both, make sure you get the right one.

Also remember they are cross draw, the one on the right looks to the left and the one on the left looks to the right.

So if you are getting 119 (R) on 110 rotate clockwise.
If you are getting 110 on 119 rotate counter clockwise.


Sj

[Smurftoon]

With Twin/Quad LNB's, the 119 side is wired to the #1 input of the internal switch. If the 110 shows first after check switch, your getting the 110 on the 119 side of the LNB.

[smilingjack]

He must have got it aimed right since he has not been back. :)

[socawarria]

I will try all suggestions today.
Thanks All!!!

[socawarria]

Ok guys this is what happened so far;
When I cover the LNB labeled 110 on the right (me being behind dish), no signal is lost.
When I cover the LNB labeled 119 on the left, (me being behind dish), it is then lost,
It is still locked on 110, and when I test 119 it says wrong sat.
Should I leave 110 covered and try to aim finding 119 as suggested.

Thanks.

[smilingjack]

You have it pointed wrong, 119 is pointed at 110 and 110 is pointed at the MOON, there are no signals coming from the moon.

Yes leave 110 covered and find 119 on the 119 LNB, then when you uncover 110 you will (should) have both sats working.

Turn the dish clockwise (standing in the back) to get 119 on the 119 LNB. NOT FAR. when it says 119 right sat uncover 110 and try that.

Sj

[socawarria]

LOL..Ok I will try, by turning you mean turning to find the Skew or the Azimuth.
I am currently using the suggested Azimuth; 245 Elevation; 26 and Skew; 125
configuration.

Thanks

[smilingjack]

Azimith, that is compass direction
Skew that moves LNB BAR to different angle. ( . )
Elevation up and down tilt

rotate whole dish set up clockwise O "Azmith" compass direction

get in back of it losen the bolts that hold it to the pole grab the left and right side of the dish and turn the WHOLE thing to the right just a little watch the meter for the signal to change to 119 locked 100%

(push with your left hand - pull with your right hand.

[socawarria]

It isn't finding 119, it goes from 0 to saying wrong sat locked at 110 west

[smilingjack]

Then cover the 119 LNB and see if you can find 110 with the 110 LNB

[socawarria]

Ok Will Try Now, also
I thought AZIMITH was spining the Dish on the
Bar to find the right Degree, and ELEVATION was
up and down , and skew was spining the LNB bar
around. When I cover the 119 LNB (which my cable is connected to)
and try to find 110 say if there is no luck, should I just remonth the dish elsewhere??

Thanks

[smilingjack]

You are right you have me confused he he

Azmith is compass direction it points in.
elevation is up and down tilt of the dish
Skew is spinning the bar around to line up on both sats at once.


WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ONE YOUR CABLE IS CONNECTED TO !!

What if anything does the dish and the LNB housing have printed on it.

From your earlier posts it sounded like a dish pro, now it sounds like a legacy dish 300 or 500.

Hook the wire to the other side the 110 side and see if you can find 110 again when you look for the label on the dish.

Sj

[t160hq]

Ran into a similar sitution about 2 weeks. Using a 3900 and a dp twin. Thought it was a simple matter of set the dish and align using the built in signal meter. Not so.

This 3900 had the latest firmware and since it was hooked to a sw21 before I cleared the memory of the switch by doing a check switch with no LNB attached.

For a hour I tried to get a signal after mounting the dish and setting skew, and inclnation and not changing either. Then moving the dish right and left in the general area of azimith.

No luck. No idea what caused it but no signal was obtained no matter what I did. Had a in line signal meter. Knowing I was doing all the right stuff decided to hook it in line and try that way. Yah I know should have done that from the start. No change to skew or elevation. Pointed it in the approx area by compass. Instantally got a signal on the in line meter. Still no signal on the screen. Took out the signal meter and did a check switch. Receiver saw the DP twin. Went back to the built in signal meter. 100 on 119. 75 on 110. Tweaked the dish for best on both. Ended up with about 110 on each.

With all the firmware upgrades space might be at a premium. So you may have to load older firmware to use the built in signal meter. Or Charlie just really screwed up on some models and they no longer provide proper readings on some current firmware models that do not have a proper switch model set already.

t160hq

[seaboard18]

You are right you have me confused he he



Socawarria only needs one wire hooked up! He does not need a switch to connect both sides of the LNB. The Dish Pro and The Dish 500 have a switch built into the LNB setup. The markings on the LNB cover is meaningless. How do I know? I fought with this for days! The second Lnb, marked 110 is for a second receiver, he can leave it un-hooked forever! Each LNB is a duel LNB. He needs to set the one that says 119 to 119, then run check switch, he will indeed have both 119 and 110.

If he can't do that, then he needs to get two single RCA lnb's and a switch 21, set 119 and 110 will work. Actually this setup is better and quicker. 119 Lnb to switch 21 and 110 LNB to switch 21. Run check switch and you are ready to watch TV. If you do it this way, use a dremal tool or something so that you can make the two singles fit into the dish housing.

[jinx]

move the 110 lnb to the location of the 119 lnd then do the switch
test.

[smilingjack]

I think he has a legacy now.

At first he seemed to describe a dish pro with a dual IRD feed but later it started to sound like a dish 500 with two LNB feeds and no SW21 hooked to it.

The 301.10 will work with either legacy or pro.

If he can not get a signal with one cable hooked up and the other LNB covered it is not a dual feed it is a legacy that needs a SW21.

I am trying to get him to cover the 110 and hook the cable to the 119 and find 119. Then he can uncover 110 LNB and see if he gets both.

If not he can change the cable to the other side and try, this will verify if it is a dual feed or a legacy.

[Smurftoon]

His first post shows a DP Twin. No need for external switches. His aim is off by about 9 degrees. He is getting the 110 on the 119. He has to cover up the 110 side of the Twin LNB and dial in the 119. If he does not get any signal from the 119, he needs to adjust his elevation and re-sweep (azimuth) until he gets a good signal from the 119.

[socawarria]

Should I leave the Azimuth as is and go higher with the elevation?
The Dish says DP 500. Right Now I am getting about 114 Reading on
the 110. When I choose any other Sat is says Wrong Sat Echostar
110 west.

Thanks all for your help.

[seaboard18]

The 301.10 will work with either legacy or pro.

If he can not get a signal with one cable hooked up and the other LNB covered it is not a dual feed it is a legacy that needs a SW21.




NO! He does not need a switch 21, he needs to get the 119 sat to work and run check switch. That is it in a nut shell. He really needs to use two single lnbs and
then use a switch 21, the Dish Pro lnb is shit to start with! As I said, both the dish pro and the dish 500 have a built in switch, no additional switch is needed.

If he would un-hook the lnb, then run check switch, this is the starting point. Then put the rec. on 119, using the spot beam. When he gets around 120 sig., run check switch, he should have 119 and 110. Then he needs to tweak after that is done.

Some of you can't seem to read, how do you expect to be testers if you can't read!

[socawarria]

But if I unhook the LNB, how will get a signal
if the LNB isn't hooked up to the receiver.
Should I leave the Azimith where it is now
and just elevate upward having the 119 LNB covered????

Thanks

[indal_98]

But if I unhook the LNB, how will get a signal
if the LNB isn't hooked up to the receiver.
Should I leave the Azimith where it is now
and just elevate upward having the 119 LNB covered????

Thanks

I don't mean to be rude....but CAN you read ....?

Several people gave you instructions....you went the other way ....so it's not working....

you HAVE to unhook the LNB and run check switch to CLEAR out memory in the box ..to get a clear start...then go back and read the threat again ...

If any problem hit "factory default" ....latest firmware won't show you correct setting...if not showing @ all....

G'L

[socawarria]

Ok I Unhooked the LNB,
ran check switch and it ran 38 out of 38.
I then rehook the LNB and covered the 119 LNB
when I spinned the Sat to locate the AZIMITH No Signal was picked up
not even from the location it had picked up 110 before. I then covered the
110LNB and spinned the Sat to locate the AZIMITH No Signal was picked up
there either.

[seaboard18]

Hello All; I am having trouble receiving Sat 119 on my receiver
Listed below is all of the gathered information.

I recently moved and my new location requests the following;
Azimuth; 245 Elevation; 26 and Skew; 125

When I performed a check switch via Menu, 6 - 1 - 1 I receive the following;
LNBs DP-TWIN - 1
Input: 1----------- 2
Satellite: 110--------Conn
Polarity: All------------X
Device: Twin---------Twin
Status: WARNING - Only One Satellite Connected

When I go to Sys Info I receive the following
Satellite: 110---------------------------Conn
Signal: Green Shaded Box---------Red Shaded Box with White Cross

When I do a signal test I receive the following;
Transponder - 01
110 - Locked at 105 signal strength
119 - Signal Strength is 96, Wrong Sat - Echostar 110 West

Tested is a 301.10 with a Rom 10 and No More Blocker. Tiers
were created by Tiergen1.

Any help will greatly be appreciated.
Thanks

I assume that you live between Zip Codes 12000 - 12099 and 12300 - 12399. The correct AZ, EL and Skew for a Dish Pro system is 243, 29, 127 starting at Zip Code 12000, for 119. 110 will fall into place if you get 119. For the high end of Zip Code 12099, the correct AZ, EL and Skew for a Dish Pro system is 245,26,125. Your Elevation is going to be somewhere between 23 and 33, because I do not know exactly where you live, but I could most likely find you with some effort if I wanted to by the information that you provided.

One last thing, make sure that all 4 sides of the mounting pole is plumb. Then work your elevation up and down about 2 degree's at a time until you find 119. Please follow everyone else's advice as well. You will find 119 and you will have 110. This will be my last advice about your problem, I have better things to do with my time, like investigating a cure for Nagra 2! Good Luck!

[smilingjack]

//prosatellitesupply.com/DOWNLOADS.htm

They have pretty pictures of all the dishes and LNB's they make, find out which one you have.

And go to the downloads section and download the dish network factory install dishes manual and start from the beggining.
It is written for do-it-your-self people.

[Raddude]

Socawarria, I don't know if this will help or make matters more confusing for you. Anyway, you cannot always depend on what Azimuth, Elev, and Skew that your install screen spits out at you. Even at the dishnet site, they are not always correct numbers, but at least you'll be in the ballpark. I use DP 500 Twin LNB's exclusively and have found the Azimuth to be off as much as 10 degrees from what the install screen says. And yes the mounting pole is truly plumb.

I haven't seen you mention a sat finder, but believe me it makes the install alot easier. If not, you can pick one up at your local Rat Shack.
Always pick up the 119 sat first as mentioned before after that, the 110 will come with very little fine tune adjustments. When you make adjustments, do no more than 1/8th inch at a time. Sometimes, just tightening a nut might throw it off.

As for the locked signal, even if the bar says Wrong Sat, run check switches anyway. Transponder 11 or 21 seem to work best, and if if you are aimed correctly, it will show signal strength on both Sats after check switches. Keep at it and you should be able to get it.

[socawarria]

Hi after everything I am not getting no signal
on any Sat 119 or 110, this is after the check switchwith the
LNB being plugged out. I also uncovered both LNB's and same thing
No Signal.

Thanks

[Raddude]

Hi after everything I am not getting no signal
on any Sat 119 or 110, this is after the check switchwith the
LNB being plugged out. I also uncovered both LNB's and same thing
No Signal.

Thanks

Make sure that you are using RG6 cable only from the LNB to your reciever. From the reciever to the TV, RG59 is OK.
Re check all of your connectors, making sure that no insulation wire is touching the center core copper wire. Also, leave the center wire at least 1/4 inch past the end of the connector. If that checks out OK , then it sounds like the LNB has gone bad. Could have been internally damaged in your moving.
BTW, Are you using a good compass for the Azimuth ?
.

[jpc314]

bottom line is, he needs to connect 119 only then turn dish until he gets signal then run check switch 110 should kick in been doing it this way for yrs

[smilingjack]

Well you had a signal with some channels before so you are not aiming at the right place now.

Try this dish pointing program see if you get the same numbers as the IRD gives you.
When using a compass do not stand too near the steel dish bach up a couple feet.

[seaboard18]

Well you had a signal with some channels before so you are not aiming at the right place now.
''.


Its possible that he has blown up the receiver, he may need to check the voltage from the RF connector to make sure he is still producing a voltage swing. I understand that the 301's have a problem with the regulator... it may need replacement or re-soldering. Seems that he is getting new problems now. I am convinced that if he had 110 once or twice an and indication that wrong sat each time, he should be able to at least get that sat. again.

[smilingjack]

well he had it aimed at the wrong sat 110 on 119 LNB and got the channels from that sat only, he was just supposed to turn the dish so it 'saw' both sats.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the IRD, it is a matter of aiming.

The other problem is we don't know what kind of dish he has, I sent hi to look at pictures and try to find out. If he has a legacy it would explain part of it he has no SW21, he said there were two cable hookups on the LNB so I could be either a legacy which needs a SW21 or a pro that has a built in switch.

The latest problem is that he lost the sat he had when he moved the dish and he cannot find it again.

[seaboard18]

The other problem is we don't know what kind of dish he has.......................
The latest problem is that he lost the sat he had when he moved the dish and he cannot find it again.

He swears that he has a Dish Pro System. I assumed that he is truthful about what he has, in which case, the switch is built in. I have a Dish Pro LNB, I went outside a few minutes ago and took the Dish 500 LNB off of my system. I ran check switch to clear the memory. I installed the Dish Pro LNB, ran check switch and I have 119 and 110. Both of these LNB's have a two wire setup, both have switches built in and neither needs a switch 21. On both setups, I use the 119 wire, ONE WIRE, which produces 119 and 110.

Similarly, I have two single Direct TV LNB's on another mount, using a modified DisH housing. With ThAt setup I use a switch 21 and I use each wire into the switch 21. All of this works, what do you think we can do to help this guy further? I really feel bad about this, but I have run out of options now. I personally think that he needs to start over from scratch with single LNB's, which are a dime a doZen, re-aim it, get 119 and then install the switch 21, he should have both sats.

Of course, we never asked him if he has a tree, building or something else blocking the bird's view! I am sure the bird is still their, I am watching it! :) Well its been fun anyway! Now I'm going to continue to read and brush up on more important things....So maybe we can still win this chess game against Charlie!

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[general]

i posted this someware else, make damn sure your 119 lnb is going to dish1 on switch box
AND 110 to dish 2 on switch box,simple mastake but lots of endless frustration.

[smilingjack]

He swears that he has a Dish Pro System. I assumed that he is truthful about what he has, in which case, the switch is built in. I have a Dish Pro LNB, I went outside a few minutes ago and took the Dish 500 LNB off of my system. I ran check switch to clear the memory. I installed the Dish Pro LNB, ran check switch and I have 119 and 110. Both of these LNB's have a two wire setup, both have switches built in and neither needs a switch 21. On both setups, I use the 119 wire, ONE WIRE, which produces 119 and 110. .

The dish-Pro has a internal switch and 2 out puts for 2 IRD's. That's what I thought he had at first, then it started to sound like he had a legacy without the external SW21

Similarly, I have two single Direct TV LNB's on another mount, using a modified DisH housing. With ThAt setup I use a switch 21 and I use each wire into the switch 21. All of this works, what do you think we can do to help this guy further? I really feel bad about this, but I have run out of options now. I personally think that he needs to start over from scratch with single LNB's, which are a dime a doZen, re-aim it, get 119 and then install the switch 21, he should have both sats. .

I also have to dave dishes hooked to a SW21, works fine.

Of course, we never asked him if he has a tree, building or something else blocking the bird's view! I am sure the bird is still their, I am watching it! :) Well its been fun anyway! Now I'm going to continue to read and brush up on more important things....So maybe we can still win this chess game against Charlie!.

That was brought up already, I am assuming he checked this out already.

I sent him the address of a place that has all the factory equipment with pictures and instructions to set up a dish with factory specs too. He needs to start from scratch.

Sj