no signal

[HILLBILLY]

got a 301.013 ird, rom 10
all was good a few hours ago. now all 0pf a sudden, no signal on 110 or 119, just like that. weather is great. did a check switch, got xx xx, and like i said, no signal strenght at all.
any ideas?
hillbilly

[seaboard18]

It was a sunspot prob. In the spring, this is common. I saw it to.

[smilingjack]

public key changed, you didn't roll

Key 0= 3B A8 CC EA B6 8F 05 00
Key 1= 1F 74 32 95 F7 38 7D F0 active

Sj

[seaboard18]

Sj - my keys rolled. It was a loss of signal. I'm sure.

[smilingjack]

I am watching the sci fi channel 301.10 magic wide open

[HILLBILLY]

Sj - my keys rolled. It was a loss of signal. I'm sure.
my keys rolled. it is a signal loss, complete of both dishes. problem is, its dark here now, and still no signal.

[smilingjack]

Looks like everybody on magic rolled, no complaints except from FTA that didn't

I may have missed a short outage but I have had it on since 4 and it is 8 here now no problems.

Are sunspot outages a local thing, like if he is up north could it effect him and I am down south and it not effect me. ?

Sj

[seaboard18]

my keys rolled. it is a signal loss, complete of both dishes. problem is, its dark here now, and still no signal.

Pull your card and turn off the IRD. It should reset then and search for the sats. My 301.13 did just that.

[seaboard18]

Looks like everybody on magic rolled, no complaints except from FTA that didn't

I may have missed a short outage but I have had it on since 4 and it is 8 here now no problems.

Are sunspot outages a local thing, like if he is up north could it effect him and I am down south and it not effect me. ?

Sj

Since satellites are outside of the protection of the earth's atmosphere, they are particularly vulnerable to the severe geomagnetic storms that can result from sunspot activity. As the accelerated energetic gas particles from the sun interact with the earth's magnetic field that the earth has, and as they slide around the earth they form current sheets that satellites have to deal with. Satellites move from a region of space that has one charge to an area that has another charge, and when they cross those boundaries, the surface of the satellite can suddenly change polarity as it moves into a region where there is a different electric field. You get arcing and you get electric currents flowing inside the satellite in places where they're not supposed to flow, and that can be very bad for the satellites.

[HILLBILLY]

Pull your card and turn off the IRD. It should reset then and search for the sats. My 301.13 did just that.
trying now

[HILLBILLY]

no, when it does the search, it is saying satellite : default
and flipping through all the transponders. i go to the signal screen, and still red not locked at zero.

[smilingjack]

A very informative post seaboard,

What I get from it is NO it is strictly a internal probem and will effect every one rather than a distortion of the stream which would effect only certain places.

I am aware of what sun spots are and what they do I was just wondering if the sat was in a shadow could a burst cause local loss of signal to those outside the shadow and not effect those in the shadow.

Thanks, It seems to be a local problem Hibilly is having, dish, switch, cable, card or IRD.

Thanks, Sj :):):)

[seaboard18]

no, when it does the search, it is saying satellite : default
and flipping through all the transponders. i go to the signal screen, and still red not locked at zero.


Try it again, pull the power plug for a couple of minutes, then post the results.

[seaboard18]

A very informative post seaboard,

What I get from it is NO it is strictly a internal probem and will effect every one rather than a distortion of the stream which would effect only certain places.

I am aware of what sun spots are and what they do I was just wondering if the sat was in a shadow could a burst cause local loss of signal to those outside the shadow and not effect those in the shadow.

Thanks, It seems to be a local problem Hibilly is having, dish, switch, cable, card or IRD.

Thanks, Sj :):):)

It seems that Hillbilly had the same problem that I had. I am in South Florida, I don't know where he is. The event that he had was the same as I had. I checked everything before I reset the IRD. I am not sure what he experienced. Makes me wonder also now.!

[smilingjack]

It may have been ECM Someone else with Magic in Texas reported it went dead but his back up worked OK.

[HILLBILLY]

i'm in canada. i tried a second ird in that spot and same result. right now i am thinking that the switch just went dead. i will try in the morning as it is dark and i'm going to work now. i'll let u guys know. thanks for the help
hillbilly

[seaboard18]

It may have been ECM Someone else with Magic in Texas reported it went dead but his back up worked OK.

{NO it is strictly a internal probem...}

Well that is three of us that had the prob... I do not use a Magic Card. I use emulation. ECM... maybe, but more than three people should have been ECM'D!

[Tenlarth]

Im in Canada and am having same problem as Hillbilly. Im using pansat2500a. Had to go to instalation and change skew back to default. That worked twice, now I have nothing. Wondering if I have to reflash my chip??

[smilingjack]

I am using the same wide open Magic he uses and did not have a problem, I have a 301-10 and he has a 2700.
He e-mailed me at 17:40 CDST, I was monitoring then no problems.
I just don't know what it could have been, selective ECM ?
They have done that before, hit certian channels and you had to be watching the channels they hit to get hit.

Sj

[HILLBILLY]

i can understand an ecm, but how can they target signal and signal strenght? is that even possible?
this is just weird!!

[littlelarryjr]

even with an ECM he should still have signal strength, should'nt he? I always do!

[smilingjack]

Signal / Signal strenght ?

What I said was that they can send a ECM down on 1 or more channels instead of hitting all at once. They have done this before.

Some ECM hits a IRD and disables it's ability to detect the signal.
My 4900 refused to admit there was a signal after a ECM but when I hooked up my 301.10 to the same dish I had 120/115 signal on the dish. And a good picture/sound. Had to reflash the 4900 to get it back.

[littlelarryjr]

Some ECM hits a IRD and disables it's ability to detect the signal.
.


That charlie is a smart fucking dude. I did'nt know that was even posible! Wow i learned two things today, I guess that means that tomorow I dont have to learn anything LOL

Thanks for the TIP SJ

[t160hq]

Did you check to see if the dish is still there. I know it's a long shot but have heard of people stealing them.

The only other thing I can think of is a firmware issue. Is it current? Some older (and even current) firmware on some models won't show a signal strength without the proper model switch already set in the EEPROM. Had it happen with a 3900 couple weeks back. Worked fine after setting up the dish with a signal meter and doing a check switch.

Wire splice's? May have just corroded to the point of no signal.

Bird shit on the dish. Don't laugh actually had this happen once. The dish was so covered with bird shit no signal was getting through.

t160hq

[littlelarryjr]

Sorry for posting this but BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Bird shit??

[seaboard18]

Signal / Signal strenght ?

What I said was that they can send a ECM down on 1 or more channels instead of hitting all at once. They have done this before.

Some ECM hits a IRD and disables it's ability to detect the signal.
My 4900 refused to admit there was a signal after a ECM but when I hooked up my 301.10 to the same dish I had 120/115 signal on the dish. And a good picture/sound. Had to reflash the 4900 to get it back.


I saw no updates, all was fine in the info screen, black screen with audio, then nothing worked. No channel change, just black screen. I reset the IRD and everything seemed to work fine after the receiver acquired the signal again. I never reset the computer, so I rule out a glitch in the emulation. Others now have had this problem at the very same time with no luck getting back the signal. Two people very close to the North Pole and I'm in South Florida. A real mystery now. Selective ecm? Sure why the hell not, what else could go wrong!

SJ, the aliens are invading us.. they stopped for a few minutes so that they could watch some porn and the little bastards moved the satellites out of range of Canada. My signal strength has changed, it is now stronger on the higher transponders. It was uniform before this event. All I did was Reset the IRD and nothing more. No one else has had any luck.

[smilingjack]

That charlie is a smart fucking dude. I did'nt know that was even posible! Wow i learned two things today, I guess that means that tomorow I dont have to learn anything LOL

Thanks for the TIP SJ

Look in the old posts under 4900, I wound up with a corrupt backup, and the dam thing would not acept just any old TSOP, I went through 33 of them before it 'woke up' and saw the signal again.
Took a month or two and people swore;

1. I had the dish set wrong.
2. I programmed the M card wrong.

Hooking up another IRD setteled that.

3. There was a bad solder joint in the IRD.
4. I needed to replace the TSOP CHIP.

Finding the right flash took care of that, it has been working great since then.

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Several months ago he was testing new ECM and we took a survey it only hit people who were watching certain channels (blocks/ranges) and not others.

[smilingjack]

I saw no updates, all was fine in the info screen, black screen with audio, then nothing worked. No channel change, just black screen. I reset the IRD and everything seemed to work fine after the receiver acquired the signal again. I never reset the computer, so I rule out a glitch in the emulation. Others now have had this problem at the very same time with no luck getting back the signal. Two people very close to the North Pole and I'm in South Florida. A real mystery now. Selective ecm? Sure why the hell not, what else could go wrong!

SJ, the aliens are invading us.. they stopped for a few minutes so that they could watch some porn and the little bastards moved the satellites out of range of Canada. My signal strength has changed, it is now stronger on the higher transponders. It was uniform before this event. All I did was Reset the IRD and nothing more. No one else has had any luck.


They can hit certain methods of testing too. A while back they were trying to kill the FTS's and found out how to hit / corrupt the TSOP through a married Magic set up, they could never do this before, it was a accident and blew that married advantage.

They send this strange ECM out and watch the forums to see what they have done from the complaints registered. Bu now ther should have quite a library of possibilities available.


HMMMMM alien pussy, Captain Kirk always liked it, send a few with big uns my way.

Maybe the dish was aimed too high and the BIRDSHIT on the bottom weighed it down and re-aimed it in the right direction.

hehehe

[HILLBILLY]

i did not know that about targeting signal either. the original ird that was messed was a 301.013 with lock on and rom 10 open. no signal. the other one i tried in its place was totally different in set up. it was a 301.010 with lock open and rom 3 open. no signal. so unless that fucker is targeting my specific address, i think that it is not an ecm. but who knows.... the only thing that worries me is this is my third switch in less than a year, and every time that the switch goes, i get a least one of the feeds, ususallly 119. this time all xx xx. maybe the cable. will try tommorrow and i will post my results.
hillbilly

[smilingjack]

Occasionally Charlie will go after cam ID's. ON RARE occasions Charlie has targeted IRD #.
Probly is the switch or cable, is it snowing there ?

[seaboard18]

i did not know that about targeting signal either. the original ird that was messed was a 301.013 with lock on and rom 10 open. no signal. the other one i tried in its place was totally different in set up. it was a 301.010 with lock open and rom 3 open. no signal. so unless that fucker is targeting my specific address, i think that it is not an ecm. but who knows.... the only thing that worries me is this is my third switch in less than a year, and every time that the switch goes, i get a least one of the feeds, ususallly 119. this time all xx xx. maybe the cable. will try tommorrow and i will post my results.
hillbilly

U can tell if the switch is bad, just run a direct coax to the IRD from the 119 or 110 LNB. Its quick and easy. U have ruled out a voltage prob, unless both IRD's are bad.

I really can't understand why U would have a hardware prob. in the first place, but U must check and make sure.

[seaboard18]

Occasionally Charlie will go after cam ID's. ON RARE occasions Charlie has targeted IRD #.
Probly is the switch or cable, is it snowing there ?

Sj - I have decided that you are correct in your assumption regarding the ECM. For the past few hours I have been thinking about what is different in my IRD. I forgot that I added some undisclosed code in the TSOP that prevents an ECM from shutting down my IRD, so I do not have to erase or re-flash each time an ECM comes down the stream. I did this back when the ECM's were constant, then I forgot about it until now. I humbly withdraw the sun spot theory. Due to Charley reading these posts, the code must remain undisclosed, sorry. :(

[smilingjack]

No problem I am glad to have been help to someone who knows a hell of a lot more than I do.

Sj :) :) :)

[HILLBILLY]

ok. the problem was RUST. the end of the cable that goes into the switch was rusted to dust., so its all good now. thanks for all the help guys.
hillbilly

[rykrishell]

got a 301.013 ird, rom 10
all was good a few hours ago. now all 0pf a sudden, no signal on 110 or 119, just like that. weather is great. did a check switch, got xx xx, and like i said, no signal strenght at all.
any ideas?
hillbilly
I had the same trouble with my two recievers one using atmega and one using rom 10 i had to do factory reset then do check switch both up and running again i think it had something to do with the sun ? :rolleyes: