SAT Channels Questions

[Kattnypp]

Is there a site I can go to to find out which channels/networks are on sat 110 and 119?? Im interested in the cartoon network, fox, network tv etc etc.

[smilingjack]

//www.dishnetwork.com/content/programming/programming_guides/index.shtml

[skinerd]

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish110_sid.html

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish119_sid.html

[Kattnypp]

all the channels when I click on sat 119.....Do I get ALL those channels? there is like 1000

[smilingjack]

NO
Your IRD cannot hold all those channels.
You can get the maximum number it will hold by programming wide open or you can write channel tiers to get specific channels.

[skinerd]

all the channels when I click on sat 119.....Do I get ALL those channels? there is like 1000

Some of those are spot beamed to specific areas, some are N2 only, a lot of locals are duplicate network, ABC, CBS, etc affiliates, so you don't want, need, or be able to get all anyway.

[BTBoy]

119 has about 726 channels and 110 about 628 channels as of my last count and that can varie from day to day with Dish testing things. As said above a majority of the Locals (a bulk of the channels) are Spotbeamed so they are only viewable in a specific Geographical region. Dish overall has about 2187 channels on all 6(7) Sats.

Now most IRDs can ony handle 750 channels including channels that are hidden and fixed in the guide (there if you program them or not - RED in Guide). Some much older IRDs can only handle 500. THis is the IRD not the CARDs problem adn there is no way around it.

That being said we have built in a Channel Count feature into Tier Creator for Dummies II v1.2.1. You select your Systems Sats adn if you have OpenTV or HD IRD and you can get a fairly accurate count of channels you are programming to a card. I would suggest not programming more than 735 or 740 channels as Dish adds and subtract channels intermittently without wanting. If you go over 750 on most IRDs you will get dropped channels and may get random reboots of your IRD.

Read the Readme.txt for more info on how to use.

[BTBoy]

OH you also get Spotbeam Maps and Local Spotbeam info you select the Locals you can get in your area. I have 17 Locals programmed on my cards and all my IRDs are fine. HINT: Sports 3M channels and Mono Music channels are not fixed in the guide so if not programmed they free up more room for Locals, etc. About 30 channels each. Sirius is Fixed so you might as well program it as part of AT 120 as not programming it still takes up the space for channels.

[smilingjack]

OH you also get Spotbeam Maps and Local Spotbeam info you select the Locals you can get in your area. I have 17 Locals programmed on my cards and all my IRDs are fine. HINT: Sports 3M channels and Mono Music channels are not fixed in the guide so if not programmed they free up more room for Locals, etc. About 30 channels each. Sirius is Fixed so you might as well program it as part of AT 120 as not programming it still takes up the space for channels.


Nice information on your pages, can you rig up the USB to program Magic Cards as well ?

Sj

[BTBoy]

Sorry SmilingJack,

Not so sure about the Magic Cards, I never got one. Not sure of the problems or limitations associated with them, but if the programmer Power Points can be identified it could be done. Conserns would be the prower requirements adn thresholds for the prosessor on the Magic Cards. If they have a simular programming voltage threshold the problem with the LPT port power would be the same. USB delivers clean 5 volts of steady power.

For the most part I don't know for sure.

[smilingjack]

BUT the cable is only available at some locations and it is expensive, but it does work, A lot of people would be intersted in a conversion, it seems to work a lot better than the paralell port according to some people and a lot of new notebooks do not have paralell ports any more just USB.

Thanks, Sj :):):)

[BTBoy]

Oh, you don't mean a hack but a USB Programmer.

I have seen the USB ones at European Sites for ATmega, FUncard, Magic(?), etc. and I think they would be great. Too bad we all got stuck with the LPT port crap. Also, as the legacy ports go away on PCs the USB would be better for the fact everyone could use it. With this little time left though in Dish/BEV testing I don't know if the investment is worth it unless you KNEW something to use it for would come along. ;)

Would be a lot more reliable though.

[smilingjack]

Too much noise on the paralell port for Magic.
Most of them have to be powered with a battery or 110 adapter since the PP does not always supply enough power.

I simple NON-POWER data only conversion should work (less noise in the connection) but the USB volatge seems sufficent too for those who have tried it.

The gender changers seem to work with or without external poewr so I guess it is adaptable, just a matter of finding the wires to connect.

I have been suggesting USB for a year but no one picked it up, Don't know why Magician did not change for M2 after all the problems with noise and power people had. I think it would have solved 90% of the problems people have had.

Shame it's too late to do anything fancy, someone should have made a 'tier maker' that you could pick the channels, not the ranges, you wanted (as in check the boxes) that would then make the tiers for them.

Boy that would have saved half a million posts.

Maybe when (be optomistic) the N2 hach is found someone will.

Thanks, Sj :):):)

[BTBoy]

someone should have made a 'tier maker' that you could pick the channels, not the ranges, you wanted (as in check the boxes) that would then make the tiers for them.There are a few technical problems with that currently:

1. The EEProm sizes of the ROM Cards and other testing devices only allow a limited number of tiers.

2. By selecting a bunch of individual channels one could group some of them into a Tier Set created on the fly, but the result would be a lot of little tiers the opened a few channels at a time.

3. This setup would likely leave you with a card that did not reflect how a SUB would look and that could open you up to ECMs

Now as all things you read about N2 these days have to be taken with grain of salt, I have hear somewhere that the N2 card has 2 MB of space. Why? I don't know. Sounds a bit large since we are coming from 4K and 8K cards. If true you could have thousands of tiers on them. But like I said, I don't know how reliab;le this info is. I have also heard theat the ROM 11 and ROM 101 are almost the same card. So who really knows. I have no data sheets here. ;)

[smilingjack]

The theory behind my idea would take some high level coding which is why no one ever bothered.
You would have to have a place to input the flash size.
Then you would have to input the number of allowed tiers.
Then it would have to take the requests and group them into tiers to limit the number of tiers created and possibly give a choice of what to cut if the choices were incompatable with the pre-set parameters of TSOP size & Tier limits.

Just a mind game, something to think about. NOT practical like your creations.

I don't remember what was said about the size, or even hearing anything about it.
I leave the heavy thinking to the brains around here and just answer easy questions to keep the masses from bothering them while they work. LIke programming cards, making local tiers, setting up the computer to program the cards, fetching new keys, you know what I mean this is a newby and free TV er site.

Sj :)

[BTBoy]

I know what you mean. Just not sure how realistic or practical it would be, but I think the ability to select individual channels (if you can) is nice. Especially if you have a side Dish like 61.5 or 148 and want to add the non-spotbeam side locals from Spotbeamed 110/119 Locals. Problem with a lot of them is thet mix main adn side locals into the same tier so if you program one channel you get all those in the tier including the Spotbeam ones. Some are free of this though. Just another thing to keep track of.

As for the Newbie site thing I understand that too. I get irritated fast with it, but sometimes I am in a good place and feel like helping out. Usually I keep myself to more technical things than the Newbie stuff.

[smilingjack]

Dave & Charlie can do it.
I don't know what their limits is as to the number of channels they can authorize individuall basis though, think it would be limited in number but most people don't sub to 500 or 600 channels, usually packages which is all they offer.
You have to buy $ 20 worth of crap you don't want to get the 1 channel on the package you do want, one of the reasons I dumped them.

That's what I liked about BUD in the old days you could get just what you wanted, no 'packages'

Yep I have been a member at staspies for a while now same nick at most places. I belive it was James Bond that suggested the place, nice layout.

Sj :)