The Pope

[bigstraw]

out of my curiousity i have a question for the Catolics or religious experts out there. why is this pope called Pope Benedict XVI and not Pope John Paul III? Is it because he's of a different 'order' or something like that? thanks for any insight given

[brjak]

He choses his own name................I think from a list of saints....before JP2 was JP1 before him was Paul the 6th and before that John the 23rd.......Benedict the 15 was around during ww1

[tbelisle]

who cares really?
At 78 years old, this damn soap opera will surely happen again very shortly!

[tbelisle]

And before the flames start.... technicly speaking I am/was a catholic so I have a right to voice my opinion.

[jmaya]

"Habemus Papam"

[tbelisle]

("We have a Pope!")

[smilingjack]

Sounds like Habeus Corpus, at his age appropriate

Don't know why they don't pick a younger guy so he could be there 50 or 60 years

[tbelisle]

Well, here is a story on it. C/P from Drudge report but sets a few alarm bells off for me.

This is only the biggest MAFIA on the face of the planet anyways.

In addition, did anybody lool at "illuminaty" that played on PPV this week end?
VERY INTERESTING!!!

As a young man, the new pope served in the Hitler Youth - compulsory for young Germans at the time - and during World War II was drafted into a German anti-aircraft unit, although he says he never fired a shot. Though Benedict has been a leading voice in the church in battling anti-Semitism and fostering Jewish-Catholic relations, his past raised suspicions in the Jewish state.

[smilingjack]

Why would Isreal wory about him, not a cathloc church in the country.
The alternative to the draft here is prison, ask casius clay, over there it was death, can't blame the guy for going with the flow.

[tbelisle]

I just have a hard time with all this church crap.

Take the vow of poverty for example.... Have you seen the MASSIVE GOLD crosses arourn their necks?
I doubt the pontif has K-Dinner for supper cause he has a hard time making ends meet.
Yeah, yeah.... technicaly they are poor cause "it does'nt belong to them"
Well if that is poverty count me in.

Forgive me, but I have a hard time with men holding elections for the next "holy man".
There was only one, and he died 2005 years ago.

The guy in the big hat is no more a holy man than you or I.

[smilingjack]

Tsk, Tsk, Tsk

You are talking about a major political and economic power there.

More money than a lot of country's.

More property than them too.

And they pay NO TAXES.

They alone can move BILLIONS OF DOLLARS out of the country, more than all the drug cartels that ever existed.

They have started WARS that have lasted HUNDREDS OF YEARS. (Ireland, Catholics vs, Protestants still going on)(middle east, Catholics vs. Muslims, from the crusades, still going on)

Why do you think they have that rule against birth control, they need CANNON FODER for their next WAR or to take over the WORLD by sheer numbers.


We need them to re-distribute the wealth from here to Italy, with a few pennies dropping off in 'needy countrys' for show while WE FEED THEM through TAXES

[tbelisle]

Biggest Mafia on the face of the earth. At first I laughed at the "illuminaty" documentary on PPV, but their "New world order" belief ain'nt that far off!

Do a little reaserch SJ... The Movie the "SKULS" was losely made from the Illuminaty clan. Except they are worldwide.

[tbelisle]

Fuck... we are starting to agree lately.

I'm scared!

[JT]

I'm just glad they finally elected a new pope so we can get back to real news. This issue has dominated so much of the news lately it's pathetic.

[smilingjack]

It will be in re-runs for weeks, then he will kick the bucket and we can start all over.
Almost as bad as the presidential elections, they should be limited to public TV.

[tbelisle]

I wonder what the next headline news will be?

First it was the Terry Schiavo saga, the the pope.....

[scottymac]

I wonder what the next headline news will be?

Hopefully, N2 and P4 Cracked! :D

[smilingjack]

Go to Church and PRAY for the cracks.

Some of their favotite sayings are;

"The Lord helps those who helps themselves"

"With prayer all things are possible"

"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"

So lets help ourselves get free TV and work on a hack because the church says it's possible if we pray for it and maybe he will giveth us the answer and taketh the monopoly away from Charlie again.

[JT]

.....meanwhile Tom Delay continues with his moral misbehaviour, the war in Iraq wages on, there's genocide in several African countries, the US is rapidly loosing economic status in the world.......there is so much going on right now that is more news worthy than all this pope thing.

[tbelisle]

Jeezzz.... i am actualy surprised that my initial posts did not get my ass flamed!
Also surprised that the majority here seem to feel the way I do!

Come on guys... getting lonely here, haven't been flamed in a couple of days and that is very odd!

[JT]

Jeezzz.... i am actualy surprised that my initial posts did not get my ass flamed!
Also surprised that the majority here seem to feel the way I do!

Come on guys... getting lonely here, haven't been flamed in a couple of days and that is very odd!

Go fuck yourself tbelisle.

Feel better now? :p

[tbelisle]

Thank you JT... I knew I could count on you! :rolleyes:

[Mark]

Go to Church and PRAY for the cracks.

Some of their favotite sayings are;

"The Lord helps those who helps themselves"

"With prayer all things are possible"

"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away"

So lets help ourselves get free TV and work on a hack because the church says it's possible if we pray for it and maybe he will giveth us the answer and taketh the monopoly away from Charlie again.

Lol, :D nicely put... Hope it works like that ... prayers can work wonders sometimes ;)!

[smilingjack]

HEY LOOK TB someone has put a X-Ray of your head up as a avatar

hehehe

[tbelisle]

Dooooh!

[Mark]

HEY LOOK TB someone has put a X-Ray of your head up as a avatar

hehehe

Nah, it's more like this ... lol

[tbelisle]

Double Dooh!

[smilingjack]

Feel better now TB, even got strangers on you
hehehe

[tbelisle]

Fuck... who put the kick me sign on my back???

Actualy, it is nice to have a lighter mood around here. even if it does come at my expence! hehehe

[tbelisle]

Nice avatar by the way!

How ever did you get the doctor to release my medical records?

[Mark]

Thnx... who said it was the doctor? Can't I just tell by reading your posts? lol ... nah, j/k

Btw, I'm not picking on you.

[smilingjack]

You did, Ask any you shall receive TB

[Mark]

Whats with you and ur church quotes? ...lol

[tbelisle]

I think SJ is a minister or something! now that's funny!

[Mark]

Now, that would be interesting! :O Free TV != church

[keltic]

The new Pope and what’s wrong with his views.
The non-use of birth control: That is old jealous priest and politicians telling us if they can’t screw then we shouldn’t be allowed either.
The rules against priest and nuns marring: That’s the old priest way of trying to keep horny nuns to themselves. Greedy bastards. Let us in on that action.
The cover up of pedophile priest: does this mean Michael Jackson should be made an honorary catholic priest?
Withholding communion from supporters of abortion: This is a prime example of twisting the bible and trying to run American politics at the same time. I personal do not support abortion but that’s a matter for us to decide, not the Vatican and it god wannabe pope.
What most people forget is the Pope is chosen by a small conclave of old men. Once he is chosen, he in essence becomes the catholic religions Dictator. He is held accountable to no one. (Like Tom Delay with control over the ethics committee.) The Pope is suddenly considered a world leader that is treated like god by parishioners. Even GW was kissing the mans ass. When are we going to smarten up and realize that god never intended us to be a stagnate flock of mindless sheep. He gave us brains (well most of us) and the ability to think for ourselves, I don’t need some old man telling me that it would be a sin to give my son or daughter a package of condoms. I would rather they refrain from sex till their old enough to be on their own but if their going to screw then I’d rather them be protected. A rubber is a damn sight better than your daughter coming home pregnant or worse yet catching an incurable disease. And if the pope can’t see that then he can kiss my ass.

[tbelisle]

I vote Keltic for Pope!

Can I get some Nun action in exchange for the vote once your in?

hahaha

[keltic]

You can be my head Cardinal in charge of Nun Sexual Orientation College.




TB, you do know we are most likely going to hell for this but lets start a Nun Defowerifacation school anyway.

[tbelisle]

"You can be my head Cardinal in charge of Nun Sexual ORALentation College."

Count me in! Bless you my son!

[mili]

The "Church" prides itself on being conservative. As any organisation from a single cell organism and up to a whole nation of Catholics when you are unable to adapt to the changed environment let is be a temperature change in your local pond if you are a prokaryote or AIDS, overpopulation, the ready availability or libido enhancing sexual content in case you are a representative of the Church the final outcome is anihilation. The prokaryote cooks, the Church loses its support base and withers on the wine. If you think that any collection of extremely intelligent people will go quietly unlike our luckless prokaryote you are deluding yourself. The church is trying to remain conservative and embrace only parts of the changed world's attributes. Like after 359 years admitting Galileo Glilei was innocent in 1992. Things are speeding up exponentially in our world no small thanks to The Computer. Expect the church to shift some of its doctrines to meet real world demands after this Pope ascends to the Lord. Electing a radical to be the Pope while essential to the survival of the Church would have been like admitting John Paul II was wrong in his orthodoxy. They smartly decided to put a short lived clone of doctrine in place after whome they can institute SOME reforms without a complete loss of face, seemingly changing stance overnight admitting that conservatism and sticking to long established practices is not in the best interest of the Church. Unfortunately the polarisation of Islaam necessitates a strong Christian belief base as they both need to be kept in check. The one with the resources to provide a counterbalance to the nutcases in the Middle East is the Vatican. Expect these changes from the next Pope who I think will be from Italy (will look like tradition is observed returning to having Popes from Italy after a short deviation of electing foreigners while instituting reforms to save the Church from becoming irrelevant):

1, Priests will be allow to marry;
Solves two problems at the same time. The problem of priests molesting childreen and the problem of the dwindling number of new priests.

2, Birth control;
It is not an issue in Africa where the Church is actually growing thanks to ignorance because them poor fuckers got no money for condoms and pills at the first place In the west only a very limited number of Catholics give a fuck about the Vatican opposing to contraception anyway. It is like the prohibition was in the USA. If you cannot prevent and everyone is doing it you might as well allow it.

That is as far as the Vatican will go in our life time I suspect. Do not even think about gay marriage, it is not only totally against the teachings of the Church but is also against the laws of Mother Nature as from such "union" no offspring can be born and all that mumbo-jumbo about the survival of the species would be negated. Homosexuality while some would like you to belive different is the DEATH of the species. Hmm a thought just occured to me, meybe there was no impact and all them Dinosaurs just turned flaming faggots 65 million years ago? The result would have been the same, gay to the grave.

You can forget about ordaining women too unless by allowing priests to marry the decline in the number of the Cloth continues which I doubt.

You indefinately can forget about the Vatican ever supporting abortus. You can expect them to give their blessings to that as much as them turning all their crosses upside down in the churches and worship Lucifer instead. Abortus is about killing something. I am not sure it is murder as some say but definately the extingushing of something that is alive. Wile the Church have no problem killing animals (unlike Buddhists) a fetus is made of MAN and WOMAN humans and that can hardly be argued. This stance of the Church definately not taking overpopulation and dwindling natural resources into count and in the long run will be a problem BUT if they approve contaceptives at least condoms they and YOU will not have to resort to dealing with the A word to begin with so the point is moot. Again, in Africa where the Church is growing A, is not an issue as the most they practice it with is with a machete like in Rwanda.

Well let me step down from my soap box.

mili

[smilingjack]

War is population control.

If there is no war there is pestulance, disease and starvation from overpopulation.

Aids is natures way of saying USE RUBBERS.

Starvation is natures way of saying USE RUBBERS.

I think ALL PEOPLE AND GROUPS who speak out or vote against abortion and birth control should have to register, be put on a list, and according to their resourses, issued all the unwanted children that would have been prevented or aborted to feed, care for and raise. This list should include all the starving the rest of us are paying for through TAXES.

The catholic church would take over the care of Billions of these people with their money and attitudes.

I also think everyone on welfare, 'public' child support, living in public housing, getting food stamps, should be given a nice new place to live, 50 to 100 miles away from working people.

They can build great big buildings that are self contained cities, with community kitchens instead of food stamps, issued clothing instead of Wal-Mart and such other necessitys instead of checks and save 75% of what the spend now.

It will also give those people incentive to get out of there and get a job instead of spending their entire lives on the 'dole' with cable TV, Air Conditioning, new cars, booze and dope paid for by the working people.

The two things that have most disgusted me was a woman that was BRAGGING that she was BORN in public housing and has lived there all her life without ever working. ( and she was white)

A girl I know is on welfare, has a husband and 4 kids, they both work (under the table) and live in a welfare paid for Apt. ON THE BEACH that everyone else is paying $ 900 a month for. And get $600 a month in Food Stamps to boot.

And people wonder why people cheat on their taxes.

[Mark]

If anyone wants to share thier thoughts with the pope, there are some couple of email addresses here that go straight to the Vatican (so far around 56K emails were sent after the first 48 hrs of the pope being elected):

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20050422/ap_on_re_eu/vatican_pope_s_e_mail

[keltic]

Looks like I would be one of those you want to register then. I do not agree with abortion! Never have and never will! Personally, I think it’s a copout for those that want to play and not take any responsibility for their actions. I do feel that in most cases abortion is legalized murder. I understand that there are extenuating circumstances that happen that need to be addressed and not held accountable for such as rape incest, life of the mother and such. Nevertheless, in most cases it plain murder. You want to control population, start work farms and put the welfare recipients to work for their room and board in barracks like housing. They will start to think twice about having kids to draw a welfare check.
Birth control and abortion are two separate matters unless you’re catholic or some other screwball thinking religion. Birth control is preventing conception where as abortion is destroying an already conceived existing life. So if I should have to registers because I am against abortion then lets make people register that are for or have participated in an abortion. Fair is fair. Matter of fact lets have a separate registration for these nut jobs that want underage girls to be able to get abortions at tax payer expense without even letting their parents know. One thing I will back the republicans on is no federal or state funding for abortion. If you want to kill your baby, pay for the procedure yourself. You play you pay. I have and will continue to rudely run off these idiots that go door to door looking for contributions or wanting me to sign their petitions supporting abortion.
But then again, that’s only my opinion. One good thing about this country is we can all have our opinion no matter how wrong YOU may be.

[smilingjack]

Well Mr. Keltic look at it this way.

90% or the unwanted children wind up;

1, In Prison

2. On Welfare.

3. On Death Row.

Birth Control / Abortion should be free as it would save the taxdpayers money in the long run.

It would even save some Taxpayers too as they will kill 10's of thousands before they are put away or Executed.

Pay now or pay more later, just like credit.

I mentioned my idea of welfare, it's much like yours.

And whats the difference if you kill a featus or wait until it kills a couple of storekeepers or cops before it's killed. That kind of life is cheap and too pleantful.

[bigstraw]

boy i'm sure glad i started this thread! my mind is really opening up and i'm beginning to understand this catholic thing. thanks evrybody!

[smilingjack]

I think we have strayed away from religion into politics and Government policies.
Although the opinions of each are related, they are not quite the same.

[smilingjack]

By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Growing at a rate of about 900 inmates each week between mid-2003 and mid-2004, the nation's prisons and jails held 2.1 million people, or one in every 138 U.S. residents, the government reported Sunday.

By last June 30, there were 48,000 more inmates, or 2.3 percent, more than the year before, according to the latest figures from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

The total inmate population has hovered around 2 million for the past few years, reaching 2.1 million on June 30, 2002, and just below that mark a year later.

While the crime rate has fallen over the past decade, the number of people in prison and jail is outpacing the number of inmates released, said the report's co-author, Paige Harrison. For example, the number of admissions to federal prisons in 2004 exceeded releases by more than 8,000, the study found.

Harrison said the increase can be attributed largely to get-tough policies enacted in the 1980s and 1990s. Among them are mandatory drug sentences, "three-strikes-and-you're-out" laws for repeat offenders, and "truth-in-sentencing" laws that restrict early releases.

"As a whole most of these policies remain in place," she said. "These policies were a reaction to the rise in crime in the '80s and early 90s."

Added Malcolm Young, executive director of the Sentencing Project, which promotes alternatives to prison: "We're working under the burden of laws and practices that have developed over 30 years that have focused on punishment and prison as our primary response to crime."

He said many of those incarcerated are not serious or violent offenders, but are low-level drug offenders. Young said one way to help lower the number is to introduce drug treatment programs that offer effective ways of changing behavior and to provide appropriate assistance for the mentally ill.

According to the Justice Policy Institute, which advocates a more lenient system of punishment, the United States has a higher rate of incarceration than any other country, followed by Britain, China, France, Japan and Nigeria.

There were 726 inmates for every 100,000 U.S. residents by June 30, 2004, compared with 716 a year earlier, according to the report by the Justice Department agency. In 2004, one in every 138 U.S. residents was in prison or jail; the previous year it was one in every 140.

In 2004, 61 percent of prison and jail inmates were of racial or ethnic minorities, the government said. An estimated 12.6 percent of all black men in their late 20s were in jails or prisons, as were 3.6 percent of Hispanic men and 1.7 percent of white men in that age group, the report said.

Other findings include:

_State prisons held about 2,500 youths under 18 in 2004. That compares with a peak, in 1995, of about 5,300. Local jails held about 7,000 youths, down from 7,800 in 1995.

_In the year ending last June 30, 13 states reported an increase of at least 5 percent in the federal system, led by Minnesota, at about 13 percent; Montana at 10.5 percent; Arkansas at 9 percent.

Among the 12 states that reported a decline in the inmate population were Alabama, 7 percent; Connecticut, 2.5 percent; and Ohio, 2 percent

[Mark]

Birth Control / Abortion should be free as it would save the taxdpayers money in the long run.

It would even save some Taxpayers too as they will kill 10's of thousands before they are put away or Executed.

Pay now or pay more later, just like credit.

I mentioned my idea of welfare, it's much like yours.

And whats the difference if you kill a featus or wait until it kills a couple of storekeepers or cops before it's killed. That kind of life is cheap and too pleantful.I don't think abortion should be completely free! It would just encourage more women to get pregnant and commit the cruel deed of abortion. If they have no conscience, or whatever, committing abortion would be a joke to them, and it would end up costing lots of $.

If anything, it should at least have some kind of cost associated to it.

[smilingjack]

How would like them pay since most of them are on welfare already.
It does have a cost, enough abortions and they get a free auto-historectomy.
Solves that problem.

Still free abortions, about $20 bucks worth of work will same millions in welfare and support the babies even if they do not graw up to steal and kill.

[mili]

Guys stay away from the A thing in this thread, people will froth at the mouth on both sides of the issue. We were discussing the Pope you remember?
He may be a very good man but the institute he represents has as much blood on its hands as Hitler did. Damn, they had 2,000 years to suppress, intimidate, misslead, manipulate, kill, mame, brainwash and keep in dark. The whole notion that the Pope is God's representative on Earth is an interesting one, how about the Popes of the past like the 12 year old one who was chased off at the age of 25 for being a bit too corrupt, the one that dug up the previous Pope's body and excommunicated it after puting it on trial etc...
One would say that was long ago and those were not real holy man etc...
The Church prides itself on tradition. Values that are alive today were alive at those days and alive 2,000 years ago. I am sure this "tradition" thing will lose its appeal fast when the ones whose footsteps the Church should follow and whose legacy the Pope is associated with are clearly have more to do with Stalin and Papa Doc than that of God. Bottom line the tradition represents murderes, lunatics and plain idiots. It is time to break with this legacy and start afresh. If not then the Church will be pushed aside and lose its relevancy like the Communist Party of the former USSR.

mili

[keltic]

How would like them pay since most of them are on welfare already.
It does have a cost, enough abortions and they get a free auto-historectomy.
Solves that problem.

Still free abortions, about $20 bucks worth of work will same millions in welfare and support the babies even if they do not graw up to steal and kill.

Lets see what the Pope thinks about spading the whores that keep making babies for extra welfare at our expense. That would solve the abortion dilemma. As far as welfare reform SJ I think we both agree and have legitimate even if considered radical ideas on lowering the burden. I do not think the new Pope would agree with us but I could care less how a German thinks we should run our country. Here is an idea, the western sector of the Catholic Church needs to split from the European and African sectors, build its own Vatican, and elect its own Pope. The Vatican is so entrenched in the conservative European ways that reform will never happen without a split or at least the strong threat of a split. Threaten to take away the money that they get from The American continents (Especially the United States) and see if the old perverts at the Vatican are not suddenly constipated with fear. Eventually that is what it will all boils down to is money and power. The last Pope and Kofi Annan at the UN have the same problem, they think of themselves as the world dictator. We nun know for sure how this new Pope will do but if the irritating smile on his face is a prelude it will be the same old shit.
BTW, the way he is always smiling makes me think they already gave him the keys to the Nuns dormitory.