301-13 Charlie insisting on update....

[Roy4450]

301-13 with lock is turning off and on should I go ahead and take this update or has it been determined that this update is destructive or not?

[JT]

So far the update has been fine. Go ahead and let it update. You may want to save your tsop images first just to be safe, but I doubt you'll need to go back to older firmware.

[Roy4450]

Thanks JT

[Roy4450]

OK.... I took the update from P205 to P207. Fine for about an hour, now the box is turning off and on again, as if looking for another update...... or is charlie trying to hit my receiver?
should I turn off lock for awhile or just watch cable untill they get tired?

[JT]

Mine just rebooted for no reason too. So far everything has been fine with P207. Give it some more time before you give up. I think that may have just been an anomoly that caused the reset.

[Roy4450]

No prob, I keep cable (free) as a back-up.


on edit:
second edit: to make sense
isyour lock turned on? do you recommend leaving it off for a while.

Tsop is backed up, of course with phone jack jtag.

[JT]

I turned my lock off and took the update a couple days after it became available. Was tired of the nag. My lock is on now. This one receiver I have reboots itself for no reason every once in a while. Still havn't figured out why.

[Roy4450]

OK... I turned my lock off again, and let it do what it wanted to. I am still up lock back on and so far receiver is acting stable again.

Only different I see is after initial update there are more channels announced re:card swap.

On edit:
Nope...... back to off and on after about 10 minutes. Looks like Charlie wants us to leave the lock off, must have something up his sleeve.

Think I will hook up a 3900 or 4900 in place of the 301-13.
Anybody getting this action on any those boxes.?

[JT]

If your using the autoreset lock from oddcircuits you may have a lock install issue. Is your receiver getting hot? Something isn't right. Your not getting a serious error are you? If so, which one?

[Roy4450]

Think it's a 105b, Skinerd installed it for me. Not getting hot or anything. It was fine for months till just now when the magic 1 went down. Put in a Rom 10 and it is now going bonkers no matter what card I use, Turn off the lock after SW D/L it is fine, stsrt changing channels and it goes back to off and on mode till I let it sit with lock off and receiver off..

[nipa]

Mine is running fine with 205 foftware, DL4 lock, rom10 all open channels including PPV with old blocker REVA21 but not locked (Open card) since Feb 2002. It survived the Nov/Dec rom10 map killing too.

So check the lock or blocker on card.

[Roy4450]

I am thinking it is specific to this receiver or lock, two others (clones) are operating normally.

I can turn this off with the remote (it will only turn off with the switch in the off position), leave it off for an hour or so. But, when I turn it back on, it's only good for an hour and back to off and on.

This only happened after taking the P207 update.

I'm going to Jtag it and rewrite back to P205 and see if that makes a difference.

[mangoop]

I have a 501 PVR and I got an update from Charlie today that I've never seen before. It was like I got ECM'd but without the magic card in the IRD.

It went ahead and wrote the flash all over again and had some wierd programming update that I've never seen before. I can't remember the message but I'm sure I've never seen it before.

This all happened while my subscribed smart card was in the IRD.

Anything going on in Charlie land that I should know of as to why this happened today?

[smilingjack]

Charlie is switching to N2.
Almost all of the information in the new updates is N2 related.
He keeps having problems and having to do new updates.
It will all be strange.

[seaboard18]

Almost all of the information in the new updates is N2 related.
He keeps having problems and having to do new updates.
It will all be strange.

There were some interlacing problems that resembled pixelation during the fight last Saturday night. I looked at about 500 frames of video this past week, what my eye saw to be pixelation was not present in the clips. What I saw was severe blurring, which imposes an irreversible limit on the resolution during fast action scenes. This can be resolved once Charley comes up with the correct algorithm for weighted directional filtering for regions where motion is detected, to obtain the best results. Look forward to many software changes in the next few months.

[smilingjack]

Exactly, that is what he is trying to fix, it is effecting the paying customers too.
He is putting out a lot of firmware updates for no other discernable reasson then N2 porblems.

[seaboard18]

Ha! We finally agree! I knew this day would come... :)

[smilingjack]

We agree a lot seaboard, you just make it seem different because your eloquence obscures the question and answers. I KISS (keep it somple) since most people here can't even reed or spel gud, (and it seems none can search at all)

hehehe
Sj :):):)

[seaboard18]

We agree a lot seaboard, you just make it seem different because your eloquence obscures the question and answers. I KISS (keep it somple) since most people here can't even reed or spel gud, (and it seems none can search at all)

hehehe
Sj :):):)


The interlaced video standard, while fine for displaying moving pictures, is ineffective for displaying stills since only one half the information needed to display an image is acquired at a single time. As a result, video must be deinterlaced before it can be viewed as a sequence of stills. The deinterlacing process, which refers to forming frames from fields, is complicated by the possibility that motion can change the scene contents from field to field. Relative motion between fields can be caused by movement of objects in the scene relative to the camera, or by camera changes such as pan, zoom, and jitter.Intrafield techniques involve using data from only a single field to produce a frame. Motion adaptive methods use an adaption to motion, which can be based on explicit motion detection, or on nonlinear median filtering operations, while motion compensated techniques use motion estimation and interpolate along the motion trajectory.

To further refine the idea of contour adaptive interpolation by proposing to detect the direction of a contour by using an optical flow formulation an expansion is applied to the lines above and below a given missing line.While these methods produce quality results in the regions where the contours can be estimated correctly, the missing lines can fool the contour estimation in regions of high spatial frequency because of the aliasing due to undersampling in the vertical direction. These incorrect estimations result in objectionable artifacts in the deinterlaced image.

Motion adaptive interpolation can potentially yield results superior to intrafield interpolation, since novel information existing in neighboring fields can be utilized. Due to the nature of interlaced fields, when there is no motion present, two fields can be [merged] to form a frame, deciding whether or not motion exists at a given spatial location, and accordingly copying the appropriate pixel from a neighboring field [merging] or using intrafield interpolation.

The comparison based motion detection methods will compute a summed absolute difference of pixel values over colocated regions about a pixel of interest in two fields and then apply a threshold to this result to classify the pixel as stationary or moving. These algorithms are vulnerable to failures in regions where fine detail moves with or over a uniform background, such as the boxing ring and other sporting events. Live events are more prone to these region failures.

[smilingjack]

That's exactly what I mean :):):)

[smilingjack]

hehehe

[seaboard18]

I had to do it! :)

[smilingjack]

My mother had a term for people that talkes excessivley,
"vaccinated with a phonograph needle"

[ussatravel]

I had to do it! :)
If you are not from the 40's (or earlier) it's doubtful if you know what an RCA Victor Phonograph is. It used no electricity, ran from a wind up spring and handled only 78 RPM records that broke if you dropped it or picked it up whorn.

Today, the term could be just a plain "motor mouth"

[smilingjack]

Seaboard and I are both old enough to remember them things.
I had one for a while.
I also had the later 78 player which had a motor to turn them and a E lec tric amplifier.
78's did not go completley out of use until the 50's when 33 1/3 records came out followed by 45's.
Some machines actually played all three 78/33/45, used spindle adapters for the hole size differences.

I also have a crystal radio, works without electricity, a 8-Track Tape player and a Reel to Reel tape recorder, a video disk player and a cassette player and a beta video player, the remote control is a wire with a on off switch for a pause button.

Wind up Phono Graphs all they made when my mother grew up and when that phrase was 'invented' / 'coined'.

It is a original term for a motormouth.

I don't think they even vaccinate people any more, (small pox) used to be mandatory to get into school. I have two, school & Military (they did not trust the scar then)

Motormouth is the new term.

Or is it Anal retentive ?

[ussatravel]

For the most part, your information is correct(and valid), however, The ones with motors were not the original RCA Victrola. There was no amplifier and the sound came out of the speaker that looked like a morning glory flower.

The 78's were around in the 50's and they were not replaced by the 33-1/3's. The 78's were replaced by the 45's. The 33-1/3rds were devoted to clasical music and were in use long before the 78's went down. If you recall, every jukebox in every drug store changed over from 78's to 45's in the early 50's. The 33's were never used in jukeboxes.

Not only that, but drug stores were where you went to get a banana split or a malted milk shake, get a hamburger and french fries for two-bits or a chili dog for 15 cents.. Movies were 10 cents for kids or two-bits full price.

With all of the wook gathering done now comes the wisdom.

A days pay in 1945 would buy you just about the amount as a days pay today will buy you.

[smilingjack]

The originals like the one I have were hand cranked, no amp. Big horn like the one with the dog in front of it.

Their were electric models sold later.

They did come out with a 3 type player 33 & 45 & 78

I don't remember 1945, but I do remember that in the 60's my $ 39.06 take home pay from the original K-mart (S.S. Kreske .05 & .10 store) when I got out of the service went a lot further Than it does now, Had a nice apt and a decent car, wife and Kid, and when I got the city job at 5,456 annual I was king of the hill and bought a new house and new Mustang. ( and 2 more kids )

You would have to be about 70-75 to remember working in 1945, that's 61 years ago.
Glad someone around here is older than me.

[Roy4450]

AHHH....... waiting for his masters voice.

I ws born in 1944, but I have seen these units.




For the most part, your information is correct(and valid), however, The ones with motors were not the original RCA Victrola. There was no amplifier and the sound came out of the speaker that looked like a morning glory flower.