Gun freak thread

[tbelisle]

I will have my 9mm glock if I have to pull over in my Hand . LMAO RUN MILI RUN

Wish I could get my hands on one of those....

[JT]

Glock's are over rated IMO.

[tbelisle]

I'd settle for a barreta

[JT]

If you want something in that price range that's bigger, badder, better I'd recomend one of the S&W .40's. (that translates to a 10mm) These have become the side arms of choice for many folks. High capacity mags, easy to handle and a little more punch than either the Glock or the Beretta. Of course, your ammo is gonna cost 3x more. I reload my own so it's no biggie to me.

[tbelisle]

agreed, but keep in mind that I live in a coutry that practicly requires you to register a sling shot.
I am an avid target shooter, but don't have the patience and money to go thru all the red tape obtaining a handgun licence.

Fucking ward sales aren't what they used to be!

[tbelisle]

I find it very irronic that an individual can make a very destructive device with mere fertiliser and diesel, or combine sulphur and other chemicals easily found at any pharmacy or hardware store, yet in order to merely buy bullets, you practicly have to give away your first born.

Why the hell was I not born an American!

[JT]

I find it very irronic that an individual can make a very destructive device with mere fertiliser and diesel, or combine sulphur and other chemicals easily found at any pharmacy or hardware store, yet in order to merely buy bullets, you practicly have to give away your first born.

Why the hell was I not born an American!

Slow down now. :) Most of the time I'm wishing I was Canadian. No kidding. There are advantages and disadvantages to being on both sides of the border. Tell you what, if your willing to pick up some of the things that are easier to find on your side, I'll trade you for some things that are easier to get on my side. Deal? :p Wish I would have met you when I was into crossing the border regularly. Now days I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to try the shit I pulled in my younger years though.

[Just4FunNC]

That gave me my first good laugh in a long while, is that what happened to the Magician !!!!!!!!!!!

LOL if we are Lucky that is what happened to the Magician. that was a good laugh for me in a while also Cimba. LOL still laugh when I think of it. i guess it would not be funny if I was the poor guy being Chased. tbelisle I would consider tradeing the glock for a 40 cal glock, the 9 I have has 3 clips each hold 17 rounds

[tbelisle]

crossing it at the border would be the hard part.

Could get my hands on some if I really wanted to, but I chose not to as the people that "hold" them are less than reputable and who the fuck knows where they have been at or what they have been used for.

Avarage price here (Black market) ranges between 800 and 1500$

[tbelisle]

Slow down now. :) Most of the time I'm wishing I was Canadian. No kidding. There are advantages and disadvantages to being on both sides of the border. Tell you what, if your willing to pick up some of the things that are easier to find on your side, I'll trade you for some things that are easier to get on my side. Deal? :p Wish I would have met you when I was into crossing the border regularly. Now days I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to try the shit I pulled in my younger years though.


Just curious.... what the hell can I get here that you can't?

[bols2dawaLL]

Sleemans

[tbelisle]

Jeezz... I did'nt think Americans could handle Canadian Beer. Not that I would consider sleemans real beer.

I drink Bud... Canadian Bud, not that watered down crap you guys have!

[grandam]

357 sig is by far the most lethel handgun round (about equal to 357 magnum) - don't care if it's in a glock, sig, baretta ....... ask most cops - they'd rather have their 40 cals in a 357 mag or 357 sig slug. 357 sig (and 357 mag) have the highest one stop shot statistics. The 357 sig came on the scene after the 40 caliber was introduced. The 40 caliber is not a bad compromise between "big and slow" and "small and fast" - but it is just that - a compromise. Snipers prefer .223 cal rifles because the slug is small, fast and accurate. Ballistics experts are finding out that "small and fast" (357 sig or mag) rounds are more effective than "big and slow (e.g. 45 ACP)”. 9mm +P+ rounds also come close.

The good news is that 357 sig is a necked down 40 cal and one can get a conversion barrel for most 40 cal semi autos - with no need to change magazines or springs. I did that with both my 40 cal Glocks and they are wicked.

Source: "Stopping Power - A Practical Analysis of the Latest Handgun Ammunition" - Evan P. Marshall & Edwin J. Sanow

Also, checkout stoppingpower.net - buy the book - it's very enlightening.

I hope the URL is permitted – if not, mod please delete and I apologize.

[smilingjack]

crossing it at the border would be the hard part.

Could get my hands on some if I really wanted to, but I chose not to as the people that "hold" them are less than reputable and who the fuck knows where they have been at or what they have been used for.

Avarage price here (Black market) ranges between 800 and 1500$

Now that's funny,

3 million Mexicans cross the southern border every year and they "guard" that border.

The Canadian border is not even "guarded" except at crossing stations.

[Satan]

LOL.....this post if funny.....you live in Canada..?...So do I......?..I own a rugar 9mm a 357 mag double action ...a 44 mag with a 10 1\2 inch barrel...it's a single action .....two SKS 7.62 semi-auto's...both with 30 round clip's...(one modded to fully auto)....???..All refistered and legal...All you need is a FAC..?...it's a two day course that cost's $150..and your set for life....I feel that the FAC course should be taken by all hunter's..target shooter's...it's a good course that teach's you the safty and proper way of treating firearm's...??????

Take's two day's from the date of purchas of the firearm till the time you have it at your house...no 10 day waiting period involved...LOL...My advise to is ...*you should check thing's out a little more*...before you start biatching at the Canadian firearm's act...it's the fastest and by far the most lax in the world..LOL.....Have to have an FAC...if you can't get one...there's more than likely a reason...and you more than likely should'nt be in possesion of firearm's.......

PS:..*F*ing 9.mm is the most useless gun I'v ever own'ed...range of 30 feet ..can't hit a barn door can't hit the target with 10 shot's..might as well just pour lead at it..lol.....try a 357....at leatst you'll knoow if you hit the target...lol...

[DSS_Auditor]

No handguns, but I have 7 Winchesters still in the box that I bought in the 70's. Buffalo Bill, Golden Spike, Teddy Roosevelt.... All of these are 30-30, 3 carbine & 4 rifles.

[sirdrinks]

I'm in Canada too, I used to own a CAR 15 (I think Olympic arms), an S&W 9mm (ex-cop gun, piece of crap) and an S&W 422 .22LR (light and accrurate), all legally. I think the biggest difference between us Canadians and our fellow Americans are the laws that apply when you actually have to shoot someone in self defence, WE aren't allowed to use a firearm in self defence, you guys are...no shit. If a burgalar breaks into my house, comes at me with a knife and I shoot him to save my family, I am at fault and WILL be charged. Even if I'm acquitted of manslauter, I'll mostlikely have some sort of criminal record for doing so, REGARDLESS of wether or not the gun is legal...

My two cents...

[Satan]

No handguns, but I have 7 Winchesters still in the box that I bought in the 70's. Buffalo Bill, Golden Spike, Teddy Roosevelt.... All of these are 30-30, 3 carbine & 4 rifles.

Not sure what you payed for them at the time..lol.....but there worth a whack of $$$$$ right now...*Good investment*,,,,do you have them on display ..?..I'd like to see a pic.....

[sirdrinks]

Nope, sold them all rather than maintain the necessary licensing (restricted licences for all), what a pain in the ass...I paid 650 for the CAR 15 .223 used, 300 for the 9mm used and 250 for the 422 new...now I just keep a trutsy ash bat by the bedside...I remember comparing CDN prices to those in the US, they were ALOT less in Canada, probably due to all the red tape...

[smilingjack]

I'm in Canada too, I used to own a CAR 15 (I think Olympic arms), an S&W 9mm (ex-cop gun, piece of crap) and an S&W 422 .22LR (light and accrurate), all legally. I think the biggest difference between us Canadians and our fellow Americans are the laws that apply when you actually have to shoot someone in self defence, WE aren't allowed to use a firearm in self defence, you guys are...no shit. If a burgalar breaks into my house, comes at me with a knife and I shoot him to save my family, I am at fault and WILL be charged. Even if I'm acquitted of manslauter, I'll mostlikely have some sort of criminal record for doing so, REGARDLESS of wether or not the gun is legal...

My two cents...


Now that's the best argument I have ever seen for having a unregistered gun.
Just tell the cops that burglar had it and during a struggle he got shot with his own gun, it was a accident.

hehehe and it works too.

Cops been using that 'cold piece' trick for years, just stick it in his hand when he's dead.
And make sure he's dead, dead men tell no tales and you don't want it to wind up your word against his.

[JT]

357 sig is by far the most lethel handgun round (about equal to 357 magnum) - don't care if it's in a glock, sig, baretta ....... ask most cops - they'd rather have their 40 cals in a 357 mag or 357 sig slug. 357 sig (and 357 mag) have the highest one stop shot statistics. The 357 sig came on the scene after the 40 caliber was introduced. The 40 caliber is not a bad compromise between "big and slow" and "small and fast" - but it is just that - a compromise. Snipers prefer .223 cal rifles because the slug is small, fast and accurate. Ballistics experts are finding out that "small and fast" (357 sig or mag) rounds are more effective than "big and slow (e.g. 45 ACP)”. 9mm +P+ rounds also come close.

The good news is that 357 sig is a necked down 40 cal and one can get a conversion barrel for most 40 cal semi autos - with no need to change magazines or springs. I did that with both my 40 cal Glocks and they are wicked.

Source: "Stopping Power - A Practical Analysis of the Latest Handgun Ammunition" - Evan P. Marshall & Edwin J. Sanow

Also, checkout stoppingpower.net - buy the book - it's very enlightening.

I hope the URL is permitted – if not, mod please delete and I apologize.

The official sniper rifles for both Marines and Army are .308in/7.62mm. There are flatter, straighter calibers out there, but this one was chosen to best accomidate several factors. The reason small and fast has more knockdown force is simple. Take any given object in motion of a given weight; if you double the velocity of that object, you increase it's energy by four times. That means that a 100 grain projectile traveling at 3400fps has four times the impact force as the same projectile moving at 1700fps. It all comes back to E=MC2. The smaller rounds are usually easier to fire. They don't always produce the results your after though. A small full metal jacket round at high velocity will likely punch right through the target doing very little damage. I shoot the solid copper Barnes bullets in my 7mm mag and .243. That's the best compromise I could come up with when it comes to my high velocity rifles. (HV= >3000fps) When it comes to balistics it's always a compromise. The round and caliber you choose depends on the down range impact your trying to achieve.

[Satan]

Very very true *JD*...the sniper rifle used by police forces is the 6.mm- 234 cal ...The most accurate rifle I own is a 22-50...same round as a 6mm--243...but way faster...hence better for coyote..where you don't want to do damage to the hide.......The 6.mm---243 will rip a hole in the critter ..where the 22-50 will do a pass through ...clean and simple...plus the speed of the 22-50 ..is wicked..lol...sight it in for 400 yard's..and your set to go . Faster the round speed ...less drop per foot.

PS: the 22-50 is illiagle to hunt deer with as it dosn't have the impact force to get the kill.

[JT]

I saw a good friend of mine drop a 5 point bull elk with a 65 grain 22-250; one shot. I was giving him shit about it, but he put that round through both lungs and the heart. It punched right though, but it punched right through the parts that matter. It was illegal because the round was so small, but it was one shot, one kill. The animal ran about 100 meters and it was bled dry. Most folks shouldn't be hunting with that round. Even so, if you put it in the right spot and you know what your down range impact is going to be, your going to make the kill.

[crosshair]

Sig.......45r ACP.
wicked. my fave......
colt python .357 magnum....my fave:D
beneili 12 gauge, please shot 3 1/2 inch shells only...laser sight..
my fave.
desert eagle....50 cal....semi auto.....yeh.

any 22 mag....yeh. silencers? OH yeh!
the .44 mag rifle? hell yeh!!
my .50 cal sharps?? black powder still got it baby!!
guns,girls, and guitars.......
oh...and bows and b ooze

god bless the conceled carry permit:D

[smilingjack]

All concealed carry permits do is let them take away your right to carry a unconcealed gun.

What kind of west is it when you can't strap your hogleg on your hip anymore......the mild west.

And first excuse they take away that permit and you can' carry a gun anymore either way.

[crosshair]

conceled means you are not showin' your gun to everybody...girls....well:D
better under the seat, then on the dash...

[smilingjack]

Dash, seat.........horses dont have dashes or seats, (they do have scabords for your rifle)
You must live in the city.

I like mine right on my hip out in the open, may get some looks but nobody fucks with you.

[grandam]

It all comes back to E=MC2

This is Einstein's formula for converting matter to energy - amount of energy is equal to mass times the (constant) speed of light squared - I don't think this applies to ballistics - but it does apply to the atomic bomb - an enormous amount of energy can be produced by a very small amount of mass.

I think the formula you meant to post is f=ma or, the force is equal to the mass times acceleration - in ballistics, this is analogous to the energy of the slug. f=ma is Newton's second law.

I think you are probably right about the sniper caliber - however, the .223 is also used in AK and AR type rifles frequently, and is a very potent and accurate round. You're correct about these high velocity rounds going right through the target with little damage - however, if fragmenting rounds are used - this can be mitigated.

[smilingjack]

The .223 was adopted mainly because of the smaller size and weight of the ammunition and the fact that the military was changing over to automatic weapons with the M-16 instead of single fire weapons.
Full Auto meant having to carry more rounds. A lot more. We were also in the jungle where a smaller bulet traveling faster would penetrate jungle further than a big slow bullet.

Sniper rifles are devided now between the old .308 and the .50 rifle. The .50 shoots a lot further, less problems with wind and drop. And a bigger kill zone. They do weigh a little more which is a minus if a lot of walking in is involved.

[JT]

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I think the formula you meant to post is f=ma or, the force is equal to the mass times acceleration - in ballistics, this is analogous to the energy of the slug. f=ma is Newton's second law.
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Ya got me there. :) Glad to see someone is paying more attention than I. I thouht the AK was a 7.62 also? For hunting purposes you don't want to use the fragmenting rounds like the .223 is designed to do. That's why I use the solid copper Barnes bullets. They hold together amazingly well. A fragmenting round can ruin an entire quarter of the meat on a deer or elk, and that's not good at all.

[sirdrinks]

.50 cal heh? My last name is Barrett (for real), too bad there's no direct relation to the developer of the M82A1, that's a fine rifle, I think it's accurate to a mile ++ in the right hands...we can't own them legally up here...too bad, I'd love to "kick the tires" on one of these badboys...

[DSS_Auditor]

I paid about $200 each for them, only one is on display. The rest are still in the boxes with the sleves. Not sure how to post the pics in here...

[JT]

.50 cal heh? My last name is Barrett (for real), too bad there's no direct relation to the developer of the M82A1, that's a fine rifle, I think it's accurate to a mile ++ in the right hands...we can't own them legally up here...too bad, I'd love to "kick the tires" on one of these badboys...

Browning developed the .50 cal 'tank killer' rifle used by the marines and army. I don't think Browning manufacteres them though. Not sure who does. There are also a bunch of smaller caliber versions like my Browning A bolt 7mm mag. Actually, it's the smaller versions the .50 is based on. Of course I don't shoot a depleted uranium round like the tank killer sniper teams shoot. It takes two people to bring that weapon to the front line. One to carry the gun and one to carry the ammo. Beleive it or not, we're allowed to purchase and posses this weapon in the US. You don't even need a special permit. ...and the NRA says we don't need some sort of regulations for these type of arms.. Let's face it, your average citizen has no business running around with one of these .50's or an assult rifle of any kind. They sure are fun to play with though. :)

[Satan]

Don't understand why I keep seeing people say that you can't own one *up here*...lol...was at a gun show two week's ago and had a look at the 50 cal...I'm not a huge man ..I couldn't even lift the thing up and aim it...LOL....Not even sure what he wanted for it...we were to scared to ask..lol.....The ammo for the thing would be so costly that it might not be all that much fun to use. Plus I have no idea where you'd purcash it from ...maybe I'll do a google search and see if you can buy it.

PS: the AKA 7.62 is worth owning ..it's accurate and it kill's what ever you hit ...can buy ammo from canadaammo...$180 can for 1120 round's ..and he ship's it free ..that's right free...any where in canada. If you buy 10 or more case's at one time the price drop's to $110 a xase...so you'd need some freind's with one ...but ...them's the break's It cost him $58 to ship it to me ..via bus...lol

[Satan]

Did the google seach ..and ...viola..lol...10 round's for $35.....I would have thouhght more like 35 a round..lol...I might have to get one..what a great gopher killer...at a mile..lmfao.

[bols2dawaLL]

you guys know way too much bout this shit . Got me kinda nervous

[smilingjack]

Kinda hard to shoot anyone through a computer..............damn it I keep having to replace CRT's and I always miss the guy I am shooting at.

[keltic]

Ya got me there. :) Glad to see someone is paying more attention than I. I thouht the AK was a 7.62 also? For hunting purposes you don't want to use the fragmenting rounds like the .223 is designed to do. That's why I use the solid copper Barnes bullets. They hold together amazingly well. A fragmenting round can ruin an entire quarter of the meat on a deer or elk, and that's not good at all.

The older AK was a 7.62 . JT. Same as the knockoff SKS. Latter on the rounds changed. I still like my 1900 Schmidt Rubins. One is all original and the other was sporterized. The original was a Swiss 7.5. I use a 280 case and a 308 175-grain slug and it work flawlessly. The other was modified to use 308 cartridge. It also works perfect. Its amazing the quality the Swiss made these with that long ago. I still hunt with the sporterized rifle. Not as much as I use to but then I have to split my time with all my toys if you know what I mean.
The Barnes are good if you want deeper penetration. However, for deer or smaller game I want a slug that will penetrate and then expand considerably. I don’t like it going all the way through and then spending all day following a blood trail. The first deer I shot with my then new 7 mag ran forever before the damn thing died. Thais when I started researching my cartridges a little closer. But then we all like to hunt a little different. As long as we enjoy ourselves it's great relaxation.

[JT]

I don't know how relaxing it is, but it's great for the mind I think. I've not taken shots before just because I didn't want to do the drag or the animal would have fell off a cliff or something of the like. I didn't shoot a 6 point bull elk two years ago because it was on the wrong side of the river. Sat there and watched that bastard for an hour. He was only about 75 meters away too. I just couldn't come up with a safe way to get me across the river let alone me and the animal back across. A lot of people don't understand hunting. If your like me, the kill isn't fun. The hunt sure is good for the soul though. And the subsequent BBQ's are pretty nice too. When I was talking Barns bullets, I meant only for the high velocity rounds. I prefer them for rounds over about 3000fps. For slower rounds lead is much better. Like you say, you want good mushrooming of the slug, but you don't want it to fragment. Fragmenting ruins meat. Those rifles your talking about are some seriously nice weapons. Worth a small fortune these days. Oddball round with that one though. Let me guess, you reload your own. ;-)

[keltic]

You guessed right JT. Most of the off the shelf ammo has came a long way and is quite adequate for anything but competition shooting. But I am stuck in my ways and like to experiment with new combinations of powder and slugs. Its actually a more time consuming hobby than testing has ever been for me. That and the fact that I have a few guns like the Rubins that I don't want to chance getting a bad round in. I trust myself with those rounds a lot more than an assembly line.

[smilingjack]

A lot cheaper to reload too. It's nothing to blow up 400 or 500 12 guage shells at the trap and skeet range every day you go. That gets expensive.
My club salvages the lead shot and re-sells it to us cheap too.

[mopar611]

Anybody have or make silencers for guns???

How can a person get one?

[smilingjack]

Make one it's easy

[mopar611]

Make one it's easy


So what do I do???

Go to Walmart and buy the stuff to make one???

You didnt exactly answer my question...

[mopar611]

BTW, I have troubles making a sandwich.....LOL

[mopar611]

I see you are still in here...LOL

You must be writing me a manual....

[smilingjack]

I answered the question
No i don't have one, they are illegal
No I don't make them, it's illegal
you have to make your own.

A gun makes noise bcause the gunpower expands gases to drive the bullet out,
The expanded gasses leaving the barrel comes out so fast it makes noise.

Just like you car engine expands air and gasoline to move the pistons.

Your car engine has a muffler, a place that lets the gases expand slowly in a confined area before it leaves the car, that makes it quiet.
Same goes for a silencer for a gum.

IF you go to gun shows look for someone selling aluminum tubes that can be attached to a gun barrel. This is leagl to have or sell.

Then wander around and find somebody selling pieces of copper screen door screen the same size as the tubes. There will be some rubber inserts with them. Probably his brother in law. These are legal too.

Now the tricky part,
Buy both and put them togeather
put the screens in the tube with the washers every inch or so and attach the tube onto the gun barrel.

You have made a illegal device, a silencer. (Federal Rap)

The ones I saw at the guns shows were made for a AR-15 / M-16 the gun end was threaded the same as the factory flash supressor, (You may have to heat the supressor, they are supposed to be silver soldered on)

1 1/4" to 2" thick walled aluminum 10" long with 1/8" plugs at either end held in with allen screws.
Other end was drilled out for a .223 round 1/4" hole.

Worked fine, Have to clean out the old powder every so often so it does not clog and build up pressure. The bolt chanbering the next round was louder than the bang wgich was reduced to a pop.

Since a .223 is a supersonic round it still made a downrange crack, this can be fixed by using a sub-sonic round.

Minimim to make it, hacksaw, File, Drill bits, tap and dies, Allen wrench, 10" Tube and 6" X 6" flat plate of aluminum. Roll of copper screen, 12" x 12" sheet of rubber gasket material 1/8' thick.


You would have to juggle the tube diameter and legnth for different calibers rounds.
Detailed plans are available from Palidin press, Arizona and from the U. S. Government printing office, look for the Frankford Arsenal Books.

[smilingjack]

close

[smilingjack]

Funny part is that Palidin press bought the Frankford Arsanel manual from the Government for $ 20 and mad it into dozens of little pamplets they sell for $ 20 each.

When they tried to close them down, The admitted they got the information and that it was available cheap from the Government printing office to anybody could get it.
They gave up and left them alone, freedom of information act and the government can not copyright the books.
Give me liberty and let me make death devices the Government invented, lots of good stuf in the books, booby traps bombs, home made zip guns, basement machine guns, and most made with a hammer, saw, drill, file, and stuff laying around the house.

Written during WW2 the zip guns with 1 bullet were air dropped over Europe for "partisans", even has a little pic-to-graph of a man using the homemade single shot zip gun shooting a German and taking his gun and ammo so they got the idea.

Better living and dying thanks to the U.S. government.

[JT]

Anybody have or make silencers for guns???

How can a person get one?

Here's a website that sells sound suppressors for the police and military. Whether or not they are illegal is a grey area. It varies from state to state.

http://www.gem-tech.com/

[smilingjack]

IT is against FEDERAL law to have one without a FEDERAL license and of course the $ 200 TAX STAMP.

States also have local restrictions, conditions and such.

You can buy and own damn near anything if yu pay the Federal Tax stamp fee and are considered a 'good citizen', even a tank I know a man that owns several, rents them to movie company's

[smilingjack]

hehehe $ 200 license for a $ 5.95 silencer.

They used to sell parts to convert AR-15's into M-16's same deal the parts were all legal to have just illegal if you assenbeled them into a machine gun.
They (ATF) finally made the "drop in auto sear" a machine gun all by itself. (it is 1/2' x 1/2' block of aluminum with a spring and a bar in it) smallest machine gun in the world.

[tbelisle]

You guys here in Canada think I should register my potato gun?

I swear that fucker would probably make more damage than a 12 guage.

1 can of cheap ass hairspray and a BBQ igniter is all you need for a big bang!

[JT]

I've made some potato guns that are most definitely worthy of registering. I don't know if they could be lethal or not, but I know for a fact they'll take out the windshild of a car. ....had a spud fly too far the first time I built the 'super spud gun'. Ever tried butane instead of hair spray?

[tbelisle]

Fuck... if you really want to hurt yourself, use ether!

Did that once and never the hell again! the things liquor makes you do sometimes!

[smilingjack]

That's nothing, a few years ago a place came out with a giant slingshot that threw water ballons 200 yards or better.

Just think what we did with them, not to mention if you used baggies instead of ballons that were limited to liquids...........hot shit

[JT]

That's nothing, a few years ago a place came out with a giant slingshot that threw water ballons 200 yards or better.

Just think what we did with them, not to mention if you used baggies instead of ballons that were limited to liquids...........hot shit

I have a friend that rigged a set up for a giant water ballon slingshot on the pole holders of his boat. It won't throw em 200 meters, but it's pretty accurate at 50-75. The hard part is getting the ballons to survive the launch.

[smilingjack]

meters vs yards ? you convert I'm a dumb Irishman.
We cheated, used doubled rubbers, people 8 feet apart, better ballons than what came with them, baggies are even stronger, survive better.
Really pissed off targets when we could get the right ammo.

[keltic]

If we are talking about fun but stupid shit to do then fill balloons with acetylene, talk about a load fire ball from hell. Guaranteed to get you removed from shop class after your teacher cleans the crap out of his fruit of a looms. They never proved who did it but I was watched closely every time I got near a torch after that.

[smilingjack]

How are you going to get it to light, hope it hits his ciggerette ?

won't go far with out ballast either.

[crosshair]

Anybody have or make silencers for guns???

How can a person get one?
Yeh...you can get one...or two...
but...start up A sporting goods store...federal firearms permit(automatic weapons) soon to follow:D
silencer" baby nipple on A .22....works jes fine :D
once.
bows are prettyh fuckin' silent too...."cept for tyhe screamin' victum with the carbon fiber shaft...stainless .. broadhead stickin' atta him!:D
yeh I know...sposed to shoot him in the neck...no screamin':D
:D