is it worth investing

[mcnrg8181]

hi i was an old direct tv tester and with all this talk about nagra2 is it worth inversting in this hobby or will nagra2 take away all the channels sooner or later. If not what should i buy i have 3 tvs in the house 2 hd tvs so what recievers should i get. also what dish should i get. i dont mind investing the money if i can get some comedy central and mtv but if its gonna be gone in 2 months i dont really want to invest the money thanks in advance

[Mark]

your best investment would be to suscribe to get those channels (if you REALLY wanna see those channels)... save your $, and perhaps subscribe to cable if you don't have it.

[sundeval]

Im not really sure what categorie to ask this question under, so if this is the wrong area, please excuse me as im new to the site and fta. I have a fta system, using two seperate dishes and a switch. Ive read in various posts that soon the channels will be disappearing and that if i was to use a larger dish, different LNB i would be able to receive legit fta channels....is this true?...Also, does anyone have any idea as to what channels they might be ...(please tell me ESPN are among them)..im in Canada, i love college football and the crappy sports channels we have would rather televise curling, bar darts or lawn bowling than a bigtime college football game.

[davyshome]

sun

30" dish or bigger with a linear lnb with out a motor you could get a bunch of abc,nbc,cbc,upn,fox( love fox nfl) lol and others

channels you dont get are things like hbo ,movietime ect no espn

theres a few channel list around you can take a look at

E = Eastern time / Central time feed
M = Mountain time feed
W = Pacific time / Alaska time feed

ABC:
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KIMO Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KKTU Cheyenne, WY - M
123w - X0 - 12104V - 2583 - KTWO Casper, WY - M
123w - X0 - 11986V - 5152 - WPRU Puerto Rico - E

CBS:
139w - W8 - 4168H - 4200 - ARCS Alaska - W
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KTVA Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11986V - 5152 - WVXF Virgin Islands - E
93w - T6 - 4080V - 32362 - CBS East HD (HDTV) - E
93w - T6 - 4120V - 32362 - CBS West HD (HDTV) - W

NBC:
139w - W8 - 4168H - 4200 - ARCS Alaska - W
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KTUU Anchorage, AK - W
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC East - E
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC Central - E
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC Mountain - M
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC Pacific - W
101w - K4 - 11991H - 2000 - WVGN Virgin Islands - E
99w - G4 - 3775H - 3256 - KCWY Casper - M

Fox:
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KTBY Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11800V - 26657 - WMQF Marquette, MI - E
123w - X0 - 12114V - 4444 - KPBI Ft. Smith, AR - E
101w - K4 - 11708V - 2170 - KUIL Beaumont, TX - E

UPN:
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KYES Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KWWF Waterloo, IA - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - WBIF Panama City, FL - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KQUP Spokane, WA - W
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - WGMU Burlington, VT - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KTVC Eugene, OR - W
123w - X0 - 11986V - 5152 - WSJP Puerto Rico - E
123w - X0 - 12114V - 4444 - KFDF Ft. Smith, AR - E
72w - W6 -3934H - 7174 - WZRB Columbia, SC - E

WB:
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KWFT Ft. Smith, AR - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KWBM Springfield, MO - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KWBF Little Rock, AR - E
123w - X0 - 11905V - 5152 - WSJP Puerto Rico - E
91w - GB - 3720H - 26700 - WB East - E
91w - GB - 3720H - 26700 - WB West - W

PBS:
139w - W8 - 4168H - 4200 - ARCS Alaska
139w - W8 - 4180H - 4200 - KUAC Fairbanks, AK
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KAKM Anchorage, AK
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS X East
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS Kids
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS X West
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS You
87w - K3 - 12128H - 14025 - PBS HD (HDTV)
87w - K3 - 12164H - 4340 - Montana PBS
79w - K5 - 11742V - 11110 - KUEN Salt Lake City, UT

CTV:
111w - E2 - 3860V - 28346 - ASN Halifax
107w - E1 - 3780V - 28345 - ASN Halifax
107w - E1 - 4181V - 28500 - CTV Red (8psk)
107w - E1 - 4181V - 28500 - CTV Green (8psk)
107w - E1 - 4181V - 28500 - CTV Blue (8psk)

SRC:
107w - E1 - 3962H - 6500 - CBFT Montreal

RDS:
107w - E1 - 4060V - 28346 - RDS Network

Univision:
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KXUN St. Louis, MO
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KLRA Ft. Smith, AR
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KEYU Amarillo, TX
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KKFQ Yakima, WA
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KPOU La Grande, OR
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KUTH Logan, UT
91w - GB - 4085H - 2480 - KLUZ Albuquerque, NM
45w - PAS1(C) - 4104V - 14450 - WLII Puerto Rico

Telemundo:
101w - K4 - 11704V - 2170 - KTEL Carlsbad, NM
45w - PAS1(C) - 4104V - 14450 - WKAQ Puerto Rico

Azteca:
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Trece
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Oeste
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Este
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Siete (4:2:2)
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Trece (4:2:2)
113w - M2(C) - 3863H - 3581 - Azteca Noreste

TeleFutura:
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KAMT Amarillo, TX
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KUTF Price, UT

are just some of the things with the right equipment you can get

just have to do a lil reading ect

[davyshome]

a mod at another site made this list also

"W", "C", "G", and "T" are C-band (7'-12' dish required)
"K", "X", "L", and "B" are Ku-band (30"/36" dish OK)
"E" and "N" are DSS band (30" dish recommended)-- except E9, which is Ku-band

E1 148w TV Dish 580
W8 139w TV Gavel to Gavel
W8 139w TV UATV
W8 139w TV ARCS
W8 139w TV Alaska One
W7 137w TV KTUU (NBC) Anchorage
W7 137w TV KTBY (Fox) Anchorage
W7 137w TV KYES (UPN) Anchorage
W7 137w TV KAKM (PBS) Anchorage
W7 137w TV KTVA (CBS) Anchorage
W7 137w TV KIMO (ABC) Anchorage
C4 135w TV G4 Video Game [AC3]
G1 133w TV California Channel
C3 131w TV Bloomberg TV [AC3]
C3 131w TV America's Store
T7 129w TV TV Japan English
T7 129w TV TV Japan
G9 127w TV RFD-TV
X9 127w TV PiTV Promo
G0 123w TV Outdoor Ch W
G0 123w TV Outdoor Ch E
G0 123w TV Outdoor Ch HD
X0 123w TV KKTU (ABC) Cheyenne
X0 123w TV KWWF (UPN) Waterloo
X0 123w TV KAMT (Ind) Amarillo
X0 123w TV KKFQ (Uni) Yakima
X0 123w TV KWFT (WB) FtSmith
X0 123w TV WNYI (WB) Syracuse
X0 123w TV KEYU (Uni) Amarillo
X0 123w TV KXUN (Sp) FtSmith
X0 123w TV KLRA (Uni) LittleRck
X0 123w TV WNGS (Ind) Buffalo
X0 123w TV KDEV (Ind) Denver
X0 123w TV The Tube
X0 123w TV Feeds
X0 123w TV ImaginAsian TV
X0 123w TV Mas Musica
X0 123w TV STEP Star 501
X0 123w TV STEP Star 502
X0 123w TV WMQF (Fox) Mrqtte MI
X0 123w TV KQUP (UPN) Spokane
X0 123w TV WPXS (Pax) MtVernon
X0 123w TV WBMM (Pax) Montgomry
X0 123w TV KPOU (Uni) LaGrande
X0 123w TV KWBM (WB) SpfieldMO
X0 123w TV KTVC (UPN) Eugene
X0 123w TV KWBS (Pax) FtSmith
X0 123w TV WGMU (UPN) Burlingtn
X0 123w TV WUMN (Uni) Minneapls
X0 123w TV KWBF (WB) LittleRck
X0 123w TV KYPX (Pax) Camden
X0 123w TV WBIF (UPN) PanmaCity
X0 123w TV KUTH (Uni) LoganUT
X0 123w TV KUTF (TF) Price
X0 123w TV Daystar
X0 123w TV Research Channel
X0 123w TV UWTV
X0 123w TV WVXF (CBS) Virgin Is
X0 123w TV WPRU (ABC) PuertoRco
X0 123w TV WSFJ (UPN) PuertoRco
X0 123w TV KTWO (ABC) Casper
X0 123w TV KFDF (UPN) FtSmith
X0 123w TV KPBI (Fox) Ft Smith
X0 123w TV Pentagon Channel
T3 121w TV TVW
T3 121w TV Sportsman Ch
T3 121w TV Fuse (AC3)
T3 121w TV QTV [AC3]
T3 121w TV STC [AC3]
T3 121w TV Sorpresa TV
T3 121w TV Azteca 7
T3 121w TV Azteca USA West
T3 121w TV Azteca USA East
T3 121w TV HITN
E7 119w TV Dish Net FYI
E7 119w TV NASA
E7 119w TV Angel One
M5 117w TV Univ Circus 1
M5 117w TV Univ Circus 2
M5 117w TV Univ Circus 3
M5 117w TV CB TV
M5 117w TV Sports Book
M5 117w TV Sotel Canal 11
M5 117w TV CNI Canal 40
M5 117w TV Hipodromo Pres
M5 117w TV Tele Ritmo
M5 117w TV Multimedios TV
M5 117w TV RGT TV Digital
M5 117w TV Ecuavisa
M5 117w TV Latinoamerica TV
M5 117w TV TeVe de Mente
M5 117w TV Video Rola
M5 117w TV TV Mexiquense
M5 117w TV Guatevision
M5 117w TV Telefe Int'l
M5 117w TV Canal CNC
M5 117w TV TeleFormula
M5 117w TV Canal 9
M5 117w TV ESNE
M5(Ku) 117w TV Almavision
M5(Ku) 117w TV MAC TV
M5(Ku) 117w TV Da-Ai TV
M5(Ku) 117w TV Hwazan TV
M5(Ku) 117w TV BYU-TV Lang 2
M5(Ku) 117w TV BYU-TV Lang 1
M5(Ku) 117w TV Hipodromo Coman

[davyshome]

M2 113w TV TV Sat
M2 113w TV Tele Michoacan
M2 113w TV Discovery Kids
M2 113w TV Cl@se
M2 113w TV Canal Artes
M2 113w TV TV Mas
M2 113w TV TV Tabasquena
M2 113w TV Azteca 7
M2 113w TV TV Mexiquense
M2 113w TV Central TV
M2 113w TV Canal 9
M2 113w TV Canal 7+
M2 113w TV SNT
M2 113w TV XHST (Merida)
M2 113w TV XHRCG (Satillo)
F2 111w TV Green Channel
F2 111w TV Tele Quebec
F1 107w TV ASN
F1 107w TV Tele Quebec
F1 107w TV Newsworld Int'l
W1 103w TV XYTV [AC3]
W1 103w TV SES Americom
W1 103w TV La Cadena Milagro
W1 103w TV DWTV
W1 103w TV Pax (E)
W1 103w TV Pax (M)
W1 103w TV Pax (P)
W1 103w TV Faith TV
W1 103w TV Worship TV
W1 103w TV Worship Network
W1 103w TV Christian TV Network
W1 103w TV Total Living Network
W1 103w TV Liberty Channel
K1 103w TV Pentagon Channel
W4 101w TV Cornerstone TV
W4 101w TV Golden Eagle
W4 101w TV Super Channel
W4 101w TV NBC East
W4 101w TV NBC Mountain
W4 101w TV NBC West
W4 101w TV NBC Central
W4 101w TV UCTV
W4 101w TV Familyland TV
W4 101w TV GLC
W4 101w TV Safe TV
W4 101w TV La Familia
K4 101w TV KUIL (Fox) Beaumont
K4 101w TV 3ABN Latino
K4 101w TV 3ABN
K4 101w TV TAN TV
K4 101w TV TAN TV
K4 101w TV TAN TV 2
K4 101w TV SBS
K4 101w TV Hope Channel
K4 101w TV Esperanza TV
K4 101w TV WVGN (NBC) Virgin Is
K4 101w TV LLBN TV
K4 101w TV Lawyers TV
K4 101w TV SBS
K4 101w TV Onnuri TV
K4 101w TV Dhamma Channel
K4 101w TV TV TRWAM
K4 101w TV VPTV
K4 101w TV TAN TV 2
K4 101w TV RTP Internacional
K4 101w TV RTP Internacional
G4 99w TV Reformation Ch
G4 99w TV KCWY (NBC) Casper
G4 99w TV KCHF (Ind; Abq)
G4 99w TV Living Faith TV
G4 99w TV WLPC (CTN; Det)
T5 97w TV Urban America TV
T5 97w TV TCT Network
T5 97w TV BYU TV
T5 97w TV BYU TV
T5 97w TV Pentagon Channel

[davyshome]

GB 91w TV WB East
GB 91w TV WB West
GB 91w TV Fox Movie Channel
GB 91w TV Shop at Home
GB 91w TV EWTN Catholic Radio
GB 91w TV EWTN US
GB 91w TV EWTN Pacific Rm
GB 91w TV EWTN Latin America
GB 91w TV EWTN Canada
GB 91w TV EWTN Europe
GB 91w TV EWTN Afr & Ind
GB 91w TV Golf Channel UK
GB 91w TV The Word Network
GB 91w TV KVMD (Ind) LA
GB 91w TV KXLA (Ind) LA
GB 91w TV KJLA (Ind) LA
GB 91w TV KLUZ (Uni; Abq)
GB 91w TV Jewelry TV
GB 91w TV KHIZ (Ind) LA
XB 91w TV Primedia
W3 87w TV APTN Washington
W3 87w TV APTN Direct
W3 87w TV Michigan Govt
W3 87w TV Santa Anita Park
W3 87w TV TVU
W3 87w TV Spirit
W3 87w TV Supercanal Caribe
W3 87w TV Turf Paradise
W3 87w TV Bay Meadows
W3 87w TV ZNS Bahamas
K3 87w TV TiP TV
K3 87w TV Patient Channel
K3 87w TV NMSU Instr TV
K3 87w TV MTA Int'l
K3 87w TV PBS X East [AC3]
K3 87w TV PBS X West [AC3]
K3 87w TV PBS You [AC3]
K3 87w TV PBS Kids [AC3]
K3 87w TV PBS HDTV
K3 87w TV WYDN (Rlg) Boston
K3 87w TV KUFM (PBS) Montana
K5 79w TV KUEN (PBS) Salt Lake
K5 79w TV KUEN-TV
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 120
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 130
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 140
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 150
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 160
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 170
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 110
K5 79w TV UT Ed Ch 190
K5 79w TV Empire Sports
K5 79w TV NYN Feeds
K5 79w TV New York Net
K5 79w TV OTB Feeds
K5 79w TV OTB Feeds
K5 79w TV OTB Feeds
K5 79w TV Off Track Bet
K5 79w TV Off Track Bet
K5 79w TV Off Track Bet
K5 79w TV NYN Feeds
B6 74w TV Ohio News Net
W6 72w TV WZRB (UPN) Columbia
W6 72w TV Penn Cable Net
K6 72w TV Comcast SE

[davyshome]

The term "FTA" is often used interchangeably with DVB. However, most people forget that there are many Digicipher2-encoded channels that are free-to-air as well. All music channels except for the unencrypted ones on Dish and BEV are in this format. You need to have a 4DTV receiver to get these. They will not work with a standard FTA receiver. Here's a list of all currently available FTA channels in Digicipher2 format:

C4 135w TV "4.060" "In Demand Barker"
G1 133w TV "3.820" TV Guide East
G1 133w TV "3.820" TV Guide West
G1 133w TV "4.140" "Church Channel"
G1 133w TV "4.140" "JCTV"
G1 133w TV "4.140" "MTV Jams"
C3 131w TV "3.820" "Atlantic Satellite Test Card (VC 781)"
C3 131w TV "3.820" "North West Cable News (VC 581)"
C3 131w TV "3.980" "Boston Catholic TV (VC 680)"
C3 131w TV "3.980" "Boston Catholic TV"
C3 131w TV "4.100" "GAC - Great American Country (VC 810)"
C3 131w TV "4.100" "PIN - Product Information Network"
C3 131w TV "4.140" "Discovery Espanol (VC 701)"
C3 131w TV "4.140" "Fit TV (VC 616)"
G0 123w TV "4.100" C-SPAN 3
T3 121w TV "3.740" "In Demand"
T3 121w TV "3.765" "In Demand"
T3 121w TV "3.780" "In Demand"
T3 121w TV "3.815" "TBN Enlace USA"
T3 121w TV "3.815" "TV Superstore"
T3 121w TV "3.940" "Cine Latino"
T3 121w TV "3.940" "HTV"
T3 121w TV "3.940" "Infinito"
T3 121w TV "3.940" "Telefe Internacional"
T3 121w TV "3.940" "Utilisima Satelital"
T3 121w TV "3.940" "ZEE TV USA"
T3 121w TV "4.000" "Si TV"
T3 121w TV "4.000" The Tennis Channel
T3 121w TV "4.000" Varsity TV
T3 121w TV "4.100" "Church Channel"
T3 121w TV "4.100" "JCTV"
T3 121w TV "4.100" "TBN US"
T3 121w TV "4.100" "Gospel Music TV"
M5 117w TV "4.060" "Canal 22 Mexico City - XEIMT (VC805)"
M5 117w TV "4.060" "Canal de Congreso (VC806)"
M5 117w TV "4.060" "Gobierno de la Republica (VC809)"
M5 117w TV "4.060" "XEIPN - Once TV (VC807)"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "Canal 13 (VC792)"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "Canal 14 (VC793)"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "Canal 15 (VC794)"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "Canal 17"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "Canal 18"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "History Channel Espanol (VC788)"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "SEA y EMSAD - Canal 12 (VC791)"
M5 117w TV "4.180" "Telesecundaria - Canal 11 (VC790)"
F2(Ku) 111w TV "12.000""CPAC"
F2(Ku) 111w TV "12.157" "Indigo Preview"
F2(Ku) 111w TV "12.157" "Info299"
F1 (Ku) 107w TV "11.837" "CPAC"
F1 (Ku) 107w TV "11.837" "TSC - The Shopping Channel"
F1 (Ku) 107w "11.867" "Ontario Legislature"
F1 (Ku) 107w "11.867" "Star Choice Info Channel"
F1 (Ku) 107w "11.867" "Viewer's Choice Preivew"
F1 (Ku) 107w TV "12.063" "Canal Indigo Preiew"
F1 (Ku) 107w TV "12.081" "Viewer's Choice Preview"
F1 (Ku) 107w TV "12.094" "Viewer's Choice Preview"
K1 103w TV "11.818" "KET Star Channel 703"
K1 103w TV TV "11.818" "KET Star Channel 704"
K1 103w TV TV "11.823" "KET Star Channel 705"
K1 103w TV TV "12.062" "Market Connect Network"
W1 103w TV "3.760" "PBS X"
W1 103w TV "3.800" "Feeds"
W1 103w TV "3.800" "Feeds"
W1 103w TV "3.800" "Feeds"
W1 103w TV "3.800" "German TV Info Card"
W1 103w TV "3.800" "Gol TV"
W1 103w TV "3.800" "Wizebuys TV Test Card"
W1 103w TV "3.940" "CN8"
W1 103w TV "3.940" "Dallas Sports Network"
W1 103w TV "4.040" "Bandamax USA"
W1 103w TV "4.040" "De Pelicula Clasico"
W1 103w TV "4.040" "De Pelicula USA"
W1 103w TV "4.040" "Ritmoson Latino USA"
W1 103w TV "4.040" "TeleHit USA"
X4 99w TV "11.800" Good Life TV Network
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 102"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 103"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 104"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 105"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 106"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 107"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV 2"
T5 97w TV "3.731" "Nebraska Educational TV"
T5 97w TV "3.780" "Nebraska Educational TV 2"
T5 97w TV "3.780" "Nebraska Educational TV"
T5 97w TV "3.780" "Nebraska Educational TV"
T5 97w TV "3.780" "Nebraska Educational TV"
T5 97w TV "3.780" "NETV PBS HDTV"
GB 91w TV "3.824" Golf Channel Japan
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Bloomberg TV US (VC601)"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Church Channel (VC680)"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Gunthy Renker"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Healthy Living Channel"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "JC TV"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "KRMA PBS Denver"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Ovation - The Arts Network (VC600)"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Revenue Frontier Network 1"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Revenue Frontier Network 2"
GB 91w TV "3.960" "Varsity TV (VC602)"
GB 91w TV "3.997" "MBC Network"
GB 91w TV "4.120" "Blue Highways TV Promos"
GB 91w TV "4.120" "Feeds"
GB 91w TV "4.180" "CCTV 4 (VC752)"
K3 87w TV "11.792" "OETA"
K3 87w TV "11.974" "GPTV feeds"
K3 87w TV "11.974" "GPTV feeds"
K3 87w TV "11.974" "GPTV"
K3 87w TV "12.096" "PBS Kids"
K3 87w TV "12.096" "PBS X East"
K3 87w TV "12.096" "PBS X West"
K3 87w TV "12.096" "PBS You"
K3 87w TV "12.180" "Adult Learning Service"
K3 87w TV "12.180" "PBS X"
K3 87w TV "12.180" "PBS Schedule 501"
K3 87w TV "12.180" "PBS Schedule 502"
K3 87w TV "12.180" "PBS Schedule 504"
K3 87w TV "12.180" "PBS Schedule 505"
B6 74w TV "11.725" "GWNS Channel"
B6 74w TV "11.725" "Newborn Channel"
NSS 806 40.5w TV "4.012" "Cadena Uno"
NSS 806 40.5w TV "4.012" "Senal Columbia Institucional"
NSS 806 40.5w TV "4.012" "Senal Columbia"
NSS 806 40.5w TV "4.012" "TeleAntioquia"
NSS 806 40.5w TV "4.012" "TelePacifico"

[pirana]

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