Saw Nagra2 Working Today!!

[mikeockisitchy]

I saw nagra2 stream working on a dreambox today, it got all channels except porn and PPV's, a few days ago I saw dishnetwork programmed on a Rom101 card wide open. I was a doubter until I saw this with my own 2 eyes. Let the games begin... AGAIN. LOL

[dRaNo]

Details please.

[mikeockisitchy]

what kind of details would u like? I will answer what I can.

[gunther]

For a start...

Where you saw it?
How much did they pay?
What model receiver?
Which rom?
What program did they use?
Where can we get it?
Has anyone else seen it work?
How high were you?
Do you have enough experience to tell a hoax from a real deal?
Are you just yanking our chain because your bored?
Was this Bev or Dish?
How can we get it?

You know... The useual questions.

[mikeockisitchy]

For a start...

Where you saw it? Well I can't tell you that!
How much did they pay? They didn't pay anything, the receiver was loaned to them to demo it to others that own dss sites like myself.
What model receiver? Model of receiver was a dreambox 500S
Which rom? When I saw the rom101 card open it was running on a 3700 receiver (dish)
What program did they use? On the dreambox it was a emulator program called ************ ( I will let you know in a few days as I could get into trouble if the wrong people find out)
Where can we get it? I will let you know in 2 weeks time. That is when it will be available for sale.
Has anyone else seen it work? Yes other people were there, there was 5 people there to witness it.
How high were you? I was very high actually did a few bots and smoked a joint. But I still know where I was and what I was watching.
Do you have enough experience to tell a hoax from a real deal? Do I have enough experience? LOL you are funny! yes I have been in the satellite industry for years. ( I knew you would ask some stupid question only because you haven't seen it so you must only be jealous)
Are you just yanking our chain because your bored? No chain yanking here my friend!
Was this Bev or Dish? Like I said , I saw the dreambox work on Bev, Rom101 card wide open on Dishnetwork.
How can we get it? YOU CAN'T RIGHT NOW!! SOON!!!

You know... The useual questions.

Regards.

[citrus13]

Are you north or south of the border??
Can you at least tell us that??

[mikeockisitchy]

North

[smilingjack]

which boarder are you north of ?

[hondo]

Mike

we all want to know how it was programmed and availability for us to get, just some people get carried away with questions. Im in the niagara region and am interested

hondo

[mrboomgq]

i wanna see some credentials from him...

[joshwild]

Perhaps while we wait for the details there is someone who could give us details on the dreambox he is talking about

[sfg]

250 MHz IBM PowerPC Processor (350 Mips)
- Linux Operating System
- 1 x Smartcard-Reader
- MPEG2 Hardware decoding - Common available NIMs (DVB-S, DVB-C)
- V.24/RS232 Interface
- 100Mbit full duplex Ethernet Interface
- 2 LED status
- Unlimited channel lists for TV/Radio
- Channel-change time < 1 second
- Full automatic service scan
- Supports directly bouquet-lists (indirect unlimited)
- Supports EPG (electronic program guide)
- Supports multiple LNB-Switching control (supports DiSEqC)
- Fully adaptable OSD in many languages (skin-support)
- SPDI/F Interface for digital bit stream out (AC-3 / DTS)
- 1 x Scart-interfaces (fully controlled by software)

[seaboard18]

which boarder are you north of ?

I doubt it is true this quick. One thing for sure, if it is true, he knows what questions NOT to answer. One thing that got my attention is he says it is done with emulation and a 101 card, I could believe that.

I have a problem with this:


I saw nagra2 stream working on a dreambox today, it got all channels except porn and PPV's


They programmed a 101 card wide open... if they can do that, emulation using a Dreambox wide open should not be extremely difficult. The Dreambox is a Linux and open-sourced powered FTA satellite receiver. It has ample memory capability as well with 32 MB of ram. Guess we will have to wait and see if it is true.

[sfg]

I am a little confused. "They" sent a dreambox receiver to demo this "product" but you say you saw it working in a 3700???

How exactly is that supposed to work?

sfg

[mikeockisitchy]

To clairify things, I saw a Rom101 card running wide open in a 3700 receiver and the dreambox running with all channels except ppv's and porn. Yes I know which questions not to answer.

[seaboard18]

Crow,
The Dreambox should be wide open, ppv and all if a 101 card works for ppv, is this correct? You know the most about FTA receivers, please give us your comments.

[mopar611]

To clairify things, I saw a Rom101 card running wide open in a 3700 receiver and the dreambox running with all channels except ppv's and porn. Yes I know which questions not to answer.


Either tell us what you know or shut the fuck up.

Quit teasing everyone.

Mopar

[seaboard18]

To clairify things, I saw a Rom101 card running wide open in a 3700 receiver and the dreambox running with all channels except ppv's and porn. Yes I know which questions not to answer.

OK, is the emulation program German created or French, nor either. I'm sure that you can at least tell us that much. If it's not one I listed, please tell us the origin of the program. I don't think you have much to loose giving up this information.

[110º]

This is something that a group out of Indiana was working on ....with some successful result ....Then all of a sudden they went underground ...

The reason they chose the Dreambox is b/c they use a Linux Emulation program to emulate a Dish subscribed system .....through the Ethernet port into the Dreambox.

That's probably why there is no PPV nor porn .....The Dreambox is being "fed" by a regular sub some where closed by ....or through the Internet ...

Watch out ...he said he "owns" a dss site ....so why is here spreading this info ?

Mopar611 ...be nice ....When you first joined this forum you also claimed you had a friend that had a "cardless" 3800 receiver ...which turned out to be a hoax ....

G'L

[#40Fan]

Mopar611 ...be nice ....When you first joined this forum you also claimed you had a friend that had a "cardless" 3800 receiver ...which turned out to be a hoax ....

G'L


I remember that....so please be nice.

[smilingjack]

LOTS OF UN-ANSWERED QUESTIONS

1 The Dream Box is a 'nice' FTA the problem is that there are dealers (now in satscams sights) that have been claiming it could get N2.

2. The Dream box is not nice enough to warrant the price, the dealers I have looked at want 2 X to 3 X what other FTA's are going for.

3. "Got all channels but ppv 7 porn"
Now here is a problem with his claim, PPV is both N1 & N2 at the present time on Dish and were never a problem to get on N1. So it should have PPV & Porn unless it is a big sub which does not include PPV & Porn. (P.S. What does all channels mean 50-100-200-300 channels ?)

4. SFG, careful, that is almost a advertisement.

5. "yes I have been in the satellite industry for years"
Another problem, sounds more like a dealer than a sat "tester" Maybe he is one of the dealers trying to sell $ 150 FTA's for $ 450 also claiming it gets N2.
No advertising please.

Well we all hope this is real but there are enough un-answered questions and enough questions avoided and enough innuendos and insinuations and illogicial claims and statements made about a product that has been a leader in overcharging and N2 scamming to make people careful.

[Matisse]

which boarder are you north of ?

balahahahahahahaha :p

[dish_dawg]

hey,,, i just saw bigfoot, we sat down and had a beer together.... its true,, yes its true... muhahhahahahhaha

[seaboard18]

LOTS OF UN-ANSWERED QUESTIONS

1 The Dream Box is a 'nice' FTA the problem is that there are dealers (now in satscams sights) that have been claiming it could get N2.

2. The Dream box is not nice enough to warrant the price, the dealers I have looked at want 2 X to 3 X what other FTA's are going for.

3. "Got all channels but ppv 7 porn"
Now here is a problem with his claim, PPV is both N1 & N2 at the present time on Dish and were never a problem to get on N1. So it should have PPV & Porn unless it is a big sub which does not include PPV & Porn. (P.S. What does all channels mean 50-100-200-300 channels ?)

4. SFG, careful, that is almost a advertisement.

5. "yes I have been in the satellite industry for years"
Another problem, sounds more like a dealer than a sat "tester" Maybe he is one of the dealers trying to sell $ 150 FTA's for $ 450 also claiming it gets N2.
No advertising please.

Well we all hope this is real but there are enough un-answered questions and enough questions avoided and enough innuendos and insinuations and illogicial claims and statements made about a product that has been a leader in overcharging and N2 scamming to make people careful.

That pretty much sums it up, he is a dishonest dealer that has decided to advertise here. The PPV scenario gives it away. Although I totally believe a 101-102 card can be compromised in time, if it was now, the Dreambox could handle it. His answers to the questions are at best evasive to try and put a vail of hope into the post. He mixes emulation with glitching, in either case if one worked the other would work as well. I think his post is Utter Bull Shit.

[pirana]

hey,,, i just saw bigfoot, we sat down and had a beer together.... its true,, yes its true... muhahhahahahhaha
yes and later that day they made love !!!!

[smilingjack]

Seadog.......Are you running out of words and have to quote other posts to make up the deficit ?
hehehe

[seaboard18]

Seadog.......Are you running out of words and have to quote other posts to make up the deficit ?
hehehe
That was nasty of you Jack! I never run out words. :):):)

[smilingjack]

I can believe that, I'll bet you were a salesman of some kind, As long as it wasen't selling enron stocks to employees, I can forgive you.

[mopar611]

I remember that....so please be nice.

So you saying I am not being nice???

I told the guy to put up or shut up. He is starting shit and I am just calling him out.

So thats what I get for sticking up for my fellow members?? I get you and 100 busting my balls on some old shit from long time ago. If you remember bro, I was just posting what I saw and asking for information on it. That was it. So just make sure you all got it straight before you go bringing up old news.....

[mikeockisitchy]

I would like to let you all know that I have been in the satellite industry for years but mainly just as a hobby that is why I love the Mili site, Believe me or not I don't care. you will all see and read about it in 2 weeks time.

Regards

[Mark]

you will all see and read about it in 2 weeks time.

Do let us know where... :rolleyes:

[sfg]

4. SFG, careful, that is almost a advertisement.



SJ,

Sorry dude,

Someone asked for specs so I put that up there. Certainly not trying to advertise for them. Never even used an FTA. (Guess I will have to or go back to my playstation pretty soon)

sfg

[smithers]

Just for clarification sake,

The 3100 was wide open, meaning all ppv and porn

The dreambox was missing the ppv and porn

did someone get a little lazy and leave the ppv and porn strings out of the emulation?

Let us see where this one goes.

[littlelarryjr]

in 2 weeks???????

thats a new one "wink wink"

[smilingjack]

4. SFG, careful, that is almost a advertisement.



SJ,

Sorry dude,

Someone asked for specs so I put that up there. Certainly not trying to advertise for them. Never even used an FTA. (Guess I will have to or go back to my playstation pretty soon)

sfg


Just kidding

Looks like maybe there is a N2 hack lurking out there you may be able to leve the PS in mothballs yet, hehehe
Sj

[littlelarryjr]

thats funny you guys say that, since I hooked up my dish a year ago, I havent even touched my Ps2, well obviously I download and burn games, or tranfer them into the internal HD just in case of a rainy day LOL....... But I would much rather watch PPV and fuck with ECM's anyday

[timewarp]

Anyone who has been in the "industry" and has some knowledge would know when to keep quiet.

[sfg]

Or anyone who was just f@#king with us and doesn't really have anything would also keep quiet.

Maybe thats not the case here, who knows?

sfg

[mikeockisitchy]

I have nothing to prove to anyone, Just thought I would let my fellow testers at mili know.

[pansat1500]

Do you know how he did it?

[Crow 492]

Prouf were is it. I dont see shit!

Here comes the boll shit know

[hondo]

What happened to littlelarry Jr post on the bet?

hondo

[JCK7]

I have nothing to prove to anyone, Just thought I would let my fellow testers at mili know.


But you Join Date: Aug 2003 more say rest 90% me I in 90% also. I can wait 2 weeks . and don't post lot and you post what think was n2 programed card . thanks info.
JCK7

[Crow 492]

Ya well I Have N2 Working here too. And its F**cking great.

PPV ALL PORN

How's the spelling now! F**k head

[r_hill]

I think it's a ploy by dealers to move stagnant product; i.e. all their over-priced "Dream"-boxes ......(before they become "Nightmare"-boxes when people stop buying them......heh-heh!)

People are wising-up to the fact there will be no "N2-capable" fta receiver, so now hope is being kept alive for the gullible by promoting a possible "card-sharing" hack for the Dreambox. If all you need is a network connection and internet access, then why wouldn't the DVB-S card be a cheap, viable option??

Cuz the dealers wanna move all their $300 - $500 Dreamboxes, I guess....

Just my $0.02....

[fatboy29]

why is it that everyone has a friend that knows someone that has a n2 hack and no one has seen it fisicaly and can say yes use this and do that and you get all open this is just stupid people just trying to get attention do you guys think probaly this guys feels lonely so lets give him what he wants the size 10 in his mouth so he can shut up jajjja

[Littlebear151]

If someone has dumped the card we will soon all know about it..because new products will emerge that will be sent to site owners to test and review..

It doesn't do any good to flame each other.. this is already called the utter bullshit section..I hope the hack is real but we should all take it for where its posted until more is known..

Hey, JCK7 good to see you on the board...things are looking grim..we might have to find something new to play with

LB

[timewarp]

I have nothing to prove

Exactly my point :)

[knarf]

I heard the HACK was here. Where is it? heheheh LOL

[Dave411]

Don`t know if any of this talk is real, but we can hope. Did notice that the price of 101`s on fleabay have increased.

[mikeockisitchy]

All the non-believers will not be getting anymore info or help from me.

This includes:
fatboy29
timewarp
crow 492

Thanks

[sfg]

I have nothing to prove to anyone, Just thought I would let my fellow testers at mili know.


I am not trying to flame here but you haven't let us know anything.

sfg

[mikeockisitchy]

I let everyone know what they need to know at this point. You are all on a need to know basis. I know the website that will be launching N2 on dreamboxes in about 2 weeks time.

Here is a copy and paste from there site:

A Private Community of DreamBox Testers"



Although the practice of card sharing has been prevalent in Europe for many years
the North American testing community has yet to experience its benefits.



This private club has been established to allow its Members just that..
a wide variety of programming by their favourite providers via network card sharing.



At present, ************.com offers over 1000 channels of quality viewing
and will expand that line up to over 2000 channels in the near future.



An Initial Donation / Membership fee of $125.00 USD will provide you will all the benefits of membership for a three month period,including full support on our private secure forums.
After that initial trial period is over and you find there is value in participating with **********.com, you may renew in three month blocks for $100.00 USD.





To register and be one of the first to joint this private club simply e-mail us at

**********.com


and state you would like more information when it becomes available.
That’s it.

We will contact you when things are ready to go and you can decide if this is for you.



No deposit is necessary, nor does this obligate you in any way to make a donation.
This will simply get you connected to the information stream so you’re up to date with progress.

This is all the info I can disclose at this time!

[scottymac]

Although the practice of card sharing has been prevalent in Europe for many years the North American testing community has yet to experience its benefits.

Been there, done that; Pitou

you may renew in three month blocks for $100.00 USD.

Yah, good deal :rolleyes:

[Crazy1_79]

if it is out there, whether it is or not, I can't say, it will become freeware in no time, cuz no one can stop the hackers from hacking the hackers. One thing I can say is, whether or not it is, posts of this nature sure cause a stir, look what happens when you don't log on for day!

[smilingjack]

The new problem I see is a "shared' sub.
They do NOT include PPV & Porn.
That's what these people want the most.
Along with sports and specials PPV that they won't get either (like the fights)

[Crow 492]

mikeockisitchy I never needed your help. I'am to good for you.

SO GET OF THE BONG! SCAM

I do beleve but not yet to soon.

[hondalover]

Believe it or not i just got news from my dealer in toronto that next week he will be starting to program the yellow cards but only the rom101's for now but he said soon the 102's as well.You know something is true when he is selling his yellow cards at 200 bucks a piece already and he just had an order today for 600 cards.there is another dealer already doing it near me but I wait for my dealer.Im sure alot of mods know there is something.

[whateverblah]

yeah, call me a newb cuz I never posted here.. was always a dsshelper guy... sorry milli
anyway, i have to agree with r_hill on this one
wtf else all these dealers gonna do with their old product... hype a couple scam hacks, then dump all the old stuff on impatient peeps
bah, whatever.. just my 2 cents
i do believe this guy saw something, but i think he's prolly been fooled by a sub

[hondalover]

It has been working for the past 2 months.And the price of the unlocker and loader is at 5,000.00 right now.Does anyone know the toronto area.If they do then Pm me and I can tell you who is doing it right now.I don't post much but when I see a legit post and I can put any proof to the thread I will post.Like I said if anyone knows the toronto area I can let them know who is doing the 101's at the moment.

[HJMcDuck]

I'll believe it when I'm watching it on my own tube. Too many scams and desperate peps out there right now.

[110º]

First you said this ....

Believe it or not i just got news from my dealer in toronto that next week he will be starting to program the yellow cards but only the rom101's for now

Then you also said this....

It has been working for the past 2 months..

So which one is it .....next week or two months ago ...?

[hondalover]

my dealer has said that it has been working for 2 months now but the hardware is only now available to dealers now.If Crow_42 goes to check the place out then he can also put his word if its true or not.

[mili]

I had enough of this idiot. Hondalover is banned for soliciting SCAMS

mili

[110º]

my dealer has said that it has been working for 2 months now but the hardware is only now available to dealers now.If Crow_42 goes to check the place out then he can also put his word if its true or not.

So let me get this right....

Your dealer had the N2 hack ...and it's been working for the last 2 months....The unlocker/loader costs $ 5000...and only available to dealers....

But for some unknown reasons....he decides to program N2 card ....next week ?

Must be real supertitous guy....what's so special about next week ? why not the "last" 2 months...? is there a particular day/hour ...something like that ..?

LoL

[lurker007]

I let everyone know what they need to know at this point. You are all on a need to know basis. I know the website that will be launching N2 on dreamboxes in about 2 weeks time.

Here is a copy and paste from there site:

A Private Community of DreamBox Testers"



Although the practice of card sharing has been prevalent in Europe for many years
the North American testing community has yet to experience its benefits.



This private club has been established to allow its Members just that..
a wide variety of programming by their favourite providers via network card sharing.



At present, ************.com offers over 1000 channels of quality viewing
and will expand that line up to over 2000 channels in the near future.



An Initial Donation / Membership fee of $125.00 USD will provide you will all the benefits of membership for a three month period,including full support on our private secure forums.
After that initial trial period is over and you find there is value in participating with **********.com, you may renew in three month blocks for $100.00 USD.





To register and be one of the first to joint this private club simply e-mail us at

**********.com


and state you would like more information when it becomes available.
That’s it.

We will contact you when things are ready to go and you can decide if this is for you.



No deposit is necessary, nor does this obligate you in any way to make a donation.
This will simply get you connected to the information stream so you’re up to date with progress.

This is all the info I can disclose at this time!


obviously a scammer.



he copied the info from here: hxxp://card-share.com/

no live scammer links or programs please, Sj

[whateverblah]

damn u milli peeps are freakin lie detecting machines... it's like posting with a bunch of matlocks

[littlelarryjr]

Believe it or not i just got news from my dealer in toronto .


hey , finally someone with only a couple posts that knows what he's talking about.

*****do not let go or fuck with your 101's*****************

[smilingjack]

We investigate any claim of a N2 hack as best we can for two reasons.

1. To protect our members from scammers.

2. To get in on the ground floor if there is a N2 hack we can get for our members.

A GOOD fix at a reasonable price is our goal.
(If we can not get it for you for free)

[benneyhill]

Well guys there is a hack for 101 Naga 2 cards .I did se running with my eyes on 101,all channels are wide open.They charge $ 250.00 per card.

Dish only.Also, in a 2 weeks there will be something for a Bell.
this post is from a member (trusted) that belongs 2 a private site i subscribe 2 he has nothing 2 gain and was mearly passing info on 2 his fellow members will kep u posted on details as they develope

[Jcar1]

Everything is 2 weeks away.

[TellerHowitis]

You guys have to be the most stupest people in the fucking world, If there was a hack then you just shut it down you dick heads, dishnetwork is in all forums so now you told them that it's for sale, and where. Man you guys are dumb, why would you guys ruin something (if it's real) by telling dish. So now we are all back to nothing, black screens. Really I believe it's bullshit, but if there was even a slit chance of being real you guys just blew it, stop being hero's and keep your mouths shut. This is not grade 1 where all secrets must be told, good to see mili and the mod's taking care of these bullshitters trying to put shit in peoples heads. Think about it, if someone was sucessful in hacking the card, then we would all be in luck if we kept it quiet. But now you fucks opened your big mouths.Guy this kind of shit is whats killing this industry. I hope this site keeps this post here not delete it to show these guys whats up.

[pitboss]

Everything is 2 weeks away.

Hope is free, so why not hope?

Just don't buy anything right now unless you can afford to get nothing in return. Right now some people are speculating on ROM 101 cards. That is their choice and only people who can afford to lose the money should do it.

As of right now, there is nothing working for P4 or Nag2, so hold on to your wallets and keep up the hope.

[sumpin4me]

So let me get this right....

Your dealer had the N2 hack ...and it's been working for the last 2 months....The unlocker/loader costs $ 5000...and only available to dealers....

But for some unknown reasons....he decides to program N2 card ....next week ?

Must be real supertitous guy....what's so special about next week ? why not the "last" 2 months...? is there a particular day/hour ...something like that ..?

LoL

Are you peeps all reading too fast or what? I didn't think hondalover was hard to understand... Read his posts again.

He said his dealer just got the NEWS of it, but ANOTHER dealer (ie: not his) has been doing it for 2 months. And now, HIS personal dealer will begin doing it also this next week, and he prefers to wait for his dealer.

[mikeockisitchy]

You guys have to be the most stupest people in the fucking world, If there was a hack then you just shut it down you dick heads, dishnetwork is in all forums so now you told them that it's for sale, and where. Man you guys are dumb, why would you guys ruin something (if it's real) by telling dish. So now we are all back to nothing, black screens. Really I believe it's bullshit, but if there was even a slit chance of being real you guys just blew it, stop being hero's and keep your mouths shut. This is not grade 1 where all secrets must be told, good to see mili and the mod's taking care of these bullshitters trying to put shit in peoples heads. Think about it, if someone was sucessful in hacking the card, then we would all be in luck if we kept it quiet. But now you fucks opened your big mouths.Guy this kind of shit is whats killing this industry. I hope this site keeps this post here not delete it to show these guys whats up.

Even if dish see's this thread , they can't do anything about it. LOSER If I did see something that you didn't, am I not allowed to tell others? We do live in a free country , so I thought.

[#40Fan]

Still a free country here!

[smilingjack]

Please be a little nice guys............lighten up a little all of us are worried about black screens coming soon.

We don't have to start nipping at each others heels. Some of these scammers have such a smooth line even experianced people believe some of them, I know a admin that was taken in for weeks until he got to try it and found out it was not a hack.

We won't know until we know.

Charlie is laughing his ass off with a new hack claim coming out every hour.
He does not even have to say it's bullshit since we do that for him.
We even have people like satscams putting them out of business for him.

[TellerHowitis]

of course dish can shut down the cards mike, they can loop them, hit the cam id's or even swap them out there wasn't that many to begin with, so please know what your talking about before you say something. It's a free country of course but why would you post in a open forum about something like this if it was real? Man think thats all i'm saying to you, dish,dave and bev can shut down any hacked cards as soon as they get wind of them. Use some comon sence please.

[smilingjack]

Any hack will be common knowledge in the forums due time anyway, charlie won't worry until he sees thousands of people talking about something actually working.

Dave and Charlie can not afford to throw away millions of dollars in cards too often. Especially not when they just put them out. That is the reason for P-2 / P-3 / P-4 P-5

As one was hacked they were already halfway through to the next swap out and did not have to panic like charlie did and change them all at once.

[mikeockisitchy]

Any hack will be common knowledge in the forums due time anyway, charlie won't worry until he sees thousands of people talking about something actually working.

Dave and Charlie can not afford to throw away millions of dollars in cards too often. Especially not when they just put them out. That is the reason for P-2 / P-3 / P-4 P-5

As one was hacked they were already halfway through to the next swap out and did not have to panic like charlie did and change them all at once.

I'll second that!!!

[TellerHowitis]

yes that would be true but on the 101's charlie didn't make alot, so swaping them out would be easy.

[TellerHowitis]

Do some research guys very few 101's were made, then some got lost, swaped out to new receivers , so really how many do you really think are available out there as real subs less then 100,000 since us sat testers are sitting on alot, so 100,000 would be very easy for them to swap out to 103's.

[mikeockisitchy]

TellerHowitis? You claim you know so much about this and you want me to be quiet. I will PM you and ask you 2 very easy questions (1 at a time). IF you answer them honestly (and I think you answer them honestly) I will do like you say Period, end of story!

[TellerHowitis]

ok go mike

[smilingjack]

Maybe he did not make very many because they were vulnerable to a hack.

He found a 'better way' with the 102.

The 101 will not last forever but if it is hacked it will be a while before that 'stream' is shut down and maybe by then the 02 will be cracked.

Maybe he is thinking like Dave, everytime you come up with a new card start putting it out, don't keep all your eggs in one 'stream'.

[TellerHowitis]

I agree with that fully, but why not keep things quiet so there is more time for testers to enjoy tv, as soon as dave or dish knew of a hack they would just close the whole, or loop the cards.

[timewarp]

Card sharing in not a hack. Period end of story

[TellerHowitis]

no one is talking about card sharing we are talking about rom 101 for dishnet.

[TellerHowitis]

mike your a good guy, not hear to argue just giving you a few pointers.

[mruk69]

Guys, heres a question?

Lets say 101 and 102 do get hacked, what happens when they swap receivers to MPEG4.?
What if these receivers are cardless or even have a totally different card or will work on non 101 and 102 N2 cards?

As far as I see, we are really screwed until all these changes are done.

What do you guys think?

[smilingjack]

I don't think they are going to swap many IRD's. MPEG 4 is just a CODEC, like zip or rar it decompreses the digital signal, we already have MPEG 2 in the IRD's, many of them are probably re-programmable (or already capable) for MPEG 4 as well, certainly all the new ones are.

I think any swaps, at least early ones will be in the single TSOP and small TSOP IRD's and the MPEG 'stream' will continue for at least a year, maybe two.

[mruk69]

SJ, I actually asked DN about MPEG 4 and if I lease an 811 or a 942 will it support MPEG4 or will I need another receiver? The replied the 942 will get a codec downloaded however none of the other current receivers have MPEG4 support and will need to be replaced.

[smilingjack]

Suprising, they have put out a lot of new IRD's latley and they are not M 4 ??????
Does not make sense to me since most of them are leased and they can't charge to swap them.

I still think it will take a year of two to totally change over, look how long it is taking just to change cards, and that's cheap and fast in comparison.

[HuSatellite]

Maybe he did not make very many because they were vulnerable to a hack.

He found a 'better way' with the 102.

The 101 will not last forever but if it is hacked it will be a while before that 'stream' is shut down and maybe by then the 02 will be cracked.

Maybe he is thinking like Dave, everytime you come up with a new card start putting it out, don't keep all your eggs in one 'stream'.


Ummmmm 101, 102 they all use the same stream bro. You think there are seprate streams for rom 2, 3, 10, 11, 101, 102???????????

lol , There are only 2 ...... N1 & N2

Same with the p4/D1 same shit different card....

Besides, yesterday you were offering cards programmed for $325 remember?

didnt take long for that thread to disappear lol

Ill send ya a card, If you can still have it done.... Pm me

[smilingjack]

I get tired of explaining packets to newby's.
They can understand streams better.
I try to keep it siimple we have a lot of newby's here.

I did not advertise anything, I did not even disclose the site I found it on.

I said someone was trying to sell N2 programming for your cards for $ 325 and it's still around someplace in the bogus hacks thread.

[seaboard18]

This thread is history, the truth is out about where the dude got all his information. I think Mili should shut it down now, it's a total waste of bandwidth.

[HuSatellite]

I get tired of explaining packets to newby's.
They can understand streams better.
I try to keep it siimple we have a lot of newby's here.

I did not advertise anything, I did not even disclose the site I found it on.

I said someone was trying to sell N2 programming for your cards for $ 325 and it's still around someplace in the bogus hacks thread.


I thought you were saying every card has their own stream, Thats all.
Its all good...


Anyways, onto the other topic,
Weird... I have a copy of your orig post here (that i saved) and it says nothing about the post being from another site. did you forget to add that?

[seaboard18]

Thanks Jack for taking those clowns out of your sig! I thought I was in Disney Land!

[smilingjack]

I understand how it works but many of the people we cater to here are not tech wise and things have to be simplified for them to understand, it makes for long repititous explanations of we don't keep things simple. A lot of them come here because other sites are all 'brains' that make fun of them because they do not understand like they do, they don't like spoon feeders either, we take care of spoon feeders.

Please PM me the copy, I forget what I said exactly and want to see it. but I meant it as a warning NOT to do anything like that. I cleared it up and it is in this thread and apologized for any misunderstandings. Some days get long and hetic here, aand I am frequently here alone with all of you asking questions at once.

Thanks, Sj

[seaboard18]

Anyways, onto the other topic,
Weird... I have a copy of your orig post here (that i saved) and it says nothing about the post being from another site. did you forget to add that?

You are trying to discredit Jack? You have 30 posts dude, if I were you I would slow down a little if you plan on making it to 60 posts.

[smilingjack]

surfboard, I was Trying to brighten the evening up a little, you have not been around to pick on I had to have something to do......hehehe

[smilingjack]

You are trying to discredit Jack? You have 30 posts dude, if I were you I would slow down a little if you plan on making it to 60 posts.


He was right about the 'stream"

Maybe about the other post too, several people misunderstood.

[seaboard18]

surfboard, I was Trying to brighten the evening up a little, you have not been around to pick on I had to have something to do......hehehe

Yea, I decided to go out tonight, just got home to this mess. Took me an hour to read what I missed, I would have rather missed it! I have to say, those clowns were a nice touch though, just a little loud! :D

[smilingjack]

They were only up for a hour, I got bored. This thread has been the only one with any interest, even mili chimed in.

Since everyone wants to comment on something, not always pertinant to this thead may as well leave it open, somebody spilled the beans what he was talking about and the site so that is about over anyway.

Tomorrow will bring another fake hack anyway.

[seaboard18]

They were only up for a hour, I got bored. This thread has been the only one with any interest, even mili chimed in.

Since everyone wants to comment on something, not always pertinant to this thead may as well leave it open, somebody spilled the beans what he was talking about and the site so that is about over anyway.

Tomorrow will bring another fake hack anyway.
Something may spring to life one of these days, hell maybe in two weeks. Crow sprang to life, never seen him that pissed off. I am going to spring over to the bed, don't think anything will spring to life tonight though... If you know what I mean! :)

[smilingjack]

You never know it is getting close to the end and if there is real stuff out there they will be getting antsy to be the first to start raking in the bucks before their fix is hacked and they are left with zip.

crow has been rather testy today, every one has been on edge letley.

I definatley know what you mean, I am ready for bed myself but I have another hour of work left to do before I can quit.

[Crazy1_79]

Everything is 2 weeks away.
Ain't this place just a geographical oddity, two weeks from everywhere! Everett, O' Brother Where Art Thou

[tigerhack]

What a F@cked up thing this Dish world Come to Lord Have mercy and some you Souls.

[Reabo]

HuSatellite, I remember reading SJ's post the other day, & I recall him saying that it was from another site. Perhaps when you copied & pasted, you missed part of it. I distinctly remember that he said it was from another site, but did not say which one.

[vmod32]

This thread is retarted.... man how I miss the good old days.

[Littlebear151]

This whole idea that if you tell about some hack.. that you are going to expose something that dish network will use to shut it down is pure nonsense.. if we have hacked the 101 card.. then a cam could be made that would read keys and do all the things we are doing now.. dish could swap out the card.. it would make no difference..hack cards would still work.. they would have to change the whole stream to shut the card down..

So thinking your doing the community some big favor by jumping on people that is passing information it just bogus..the only people you would be helping is someone getting ready to launch a product that wouldn't want you to be able to program your own card..you are never going to have a hack that Charlie doesn't know about..

Now if some of you know someone that is programming 101 cards try to hook them up with Milli that is, if you know for sure that they are doing a card that you seen working with your own eyes..( not some shit you just heard about) if nothing else send him the card..

All the flaming and picking on each other is only amusing Charlie and doesn't help us a bit.. this forum is a bullshit forum it was made so people could report on things that are not confirmed.. but Milli has shown that if you just come here to Scam or Spam he will give you your walking papers..as it should be!!

Guys we only need to hack one of these cards.. 101 102 or any other version from that cams can be made don't spread fear..we have no fear..just get the facts a pass them along.. that doesn't need to be done in these forums.. just email Milli if you have the real thing..

Good testing
LB

[tbelisle]

same here!

[daveey]

Mike is this the website you saw your claim on? hxxp://card-share.com

Are you just bored?

[seaboard18]

The 101-102 cards, (early versions), are the real deal once they get dumped. It would be a great accomplishment to see a few of these cards working before the total switch over is completed. However don't forget that the new and improved versions of the N2 cards are out now and the holes have been closed. Updated Electronic Counter Measures have been developed to counter these card versions. So once the card replacement is completed, it's likely that the early versions of these cards will be short lived, even if someone gets them working.

The lack of software is apparently a big problem, very little software exist for N2 cards. Don't get the wrong impression from that statement, there is software but it is limited and the good software is not publicly available. If you can't write code on your own you have to rely on others to write it for you, coders will release some code to testers only to gain additional information.

The best chance you have for the next phase of this project is either a shared subscription or a paid subscription. Don't spend your money for anything that is risky and unproven to work. A subscription is affordable and so is a shared subscription until a real compromise is available, if ever. Take Charley up on his offer, you have nothing to loose and everything to gain. Someday things may turn around but not quickly. Although, if you have money to burn then go ahead and give it away, it's yours , you earned it, so spend it the way you please.

[littlelarryjr]

obviously Dish is'nt making 101 cards anymore, as the 102's are all they supply now. As for Bev, she never gave out 101's only 102's. My interpritation is that the 101's are the card to have. Why phase them out so early in the game. As for the game, it's not over by a long shot.

P.S. Mili or SJ pm me please when your online

[hacker691]

although bev don't make a 101 they didn't make a rom 2 either and it worked, as long as it's nagra 2 stream right? so why wouldn't the rom 101 work on bev, think about it? as for non belivers there is a rom 101 running right now, its running for 6 weeks, if u can believe it because i do, the price i am getting is 200.oo for a card done and 300.00 without, although they are in short supply they are still around, did u ever think why they changed from 101 to 102, of course u did, the 101's were full of holes, will they last? i am sure they will, they're not enough of them out there to really worry about, right
thats my 2 cents on the matter

[littlelarryjr]

do the 2's and 3's still work? Yes they do. Thats why the 101's will always work as long as theres N2 the 101's will be fine

[knarf]

You guys heard of near death experiences. Well looks to me lately like a lot of people are having near nag2 experiences.

[Markman]

well .. if they did hack the 101s they can dump the cards and can answer a lot of questions about Nagra2.

This will make it possible to hack 102s and whatever comes next.

In reality anything can be hacked.

The million dollar question is , is it affordable to hack it?

costs to the hacker is the problem, lets say we get 10 investors that have the $$$$ and we open up the 102. How long before charlie will replace the cards. is it enough time for investors to make 3 to 5 times the amount of money they invested in the first place.

who in their right mind would invest in a risky sami-legal venture and not expect at lest 300% on investment.

something else, if anyone did open 101 cards .. i am sure mili would have had some open cards sold in his stores already.

any dealer/hacker out in the market knows about mili and the potential amount of sales he/she/it can sell thought mili.

so i am pretty sure the 101 is not open yet.

[mili]

The Dreambox will not work with Nagra 2 because of the random session key implementation. It is however being used in Europe on systems that do not implement
random session keys like Irdeto. It is NOT being used in Europe on any Nagra 2 systems!

So there invest in Dreamboxes at your own peril.

mili

[Cid6.7]

Any hack will be common knowledge in the forums due time anyway, charlie won't worry until he sees thousands of people talking about something actually working.

Dave and Charlie can not afford to throw away millions of dollars in cards too often. Especially not when they just put them out. That is the reason for P-2 / P-3 / P-4 P-5

As one was hacked they were already halfway through to the next swap out and did not have to panic like charlie did and change them all at once.


So if/when it comes out everyone send PM's ONLY... :D
Word wont get out ..heheh

[smilingjack]

The problem with that is unless it it truly plug and play, people will flock to the fiorums to get spoon fed how to use it.

Some would flock here even if all they have to do is put a card in the slot to find out which side is the top or what end goes in.............

[smilingjack]

I see a verification problem as well.

We have people who unplug their IRD a few days and come back to black screens and have to have the card re-activated.

Even with a shared sub if the card is out of the stream for the time it takes to ship it will it still work or will it be behind in verifications and be dead.

[seaboard18]

I see a verification problem as well.

We have people who unplug their IRD a few days and come back to black screens and have to have the card re-activated.

Even with a shared sub if the card is out of the stream for the time it takes to ship it will it still work or will it be behind in verifications and be dead.

I don't think so Jack.

[smilingjack]

So much for the $ 600 nightmare box and it's shared sub idea.

Can ya spell S C A M M E R S

[odlaw]

Does anyone really believe Dishnet doesn't know what is and isn't vulnerable? Do you believe that if there is hack they don't already know about it?
They are a buisness that makes decisions based on money. They do not spend money without a guaranteed return on their investment.
If the 101s are vulnerable you will not see a puplic hack until there is competition amongst dealers driving the price down.
If you had the answer (the hack) for the 101 would settle for a lousy $250.00 a card or would you go for something bigger so you can get in and out and let the little people squabble over the pennies and get caught.

There was never any hack for the digcypherII (15yrs+)
There is no hack for the P4 (2+yrs)
The N2 can only be better than those encryption methods listed above!
Sorry
and yes this is my first post.
Odlaw

[seaboard18]

Does anyone really believe Dishnet doesn't know what is and isn't vulnerable? Do you believe that if there is hack they don't already know about it?
They are a buisness that makes decisions based on money. They do not spend money without a guaranteed return on their investment.
If the 101s are vulnerable you will not see a puplic hack until there is competition amongst dealers driving the price down.
If you had the answer (the hack) for the 101 would settle for a lousy $250.00 a card or would you go for something bigger so you can get in and out and let the little people squabble over the pennies and get caught.

There was never any hack for the digcypherII (15yrs+)
There is no hack for the P4 (2+yrs)
The N2 can only be better than those encryption methods listed above!
Sorry
and yes this is my first post.
Odlaw
That is all it would be worth and actually that seems high to me. I would rather sub than pay that kind of price. $99.00 a card is worth the risk.

[smilingjack]

There was never any hack for the digcypherII (15yrs+)

There was never a reason to hack it, There is nothing on it people want to see that bad.

There is no hack for the P4 (2+yrs)

Most of the DTV hackers came over to dish, it was already hacked, the few that stayed and tryed are minor players

The N2 can only be better than those encryption methods listed above!

Better may not be good enough, we now have the combined dish and Dave hacking community over here now and it's not like dave always was, a few coders, a few dealers, and a shitload of pirate's subscribing to them for the fixes.

Sorry
and yes this is my first post.
Odlaw

I don't put a lot in post numbers, I go by what is said.

I think that eventually there will be a hack or work around or a sell out by a employee, maybe from a rival company, that will bring the solution to us. Not today, not tomorrow, but sometime.

Even national governments that spend BILLIONS not just millions like Dave and Charlie, (and most of that money was spent on change overs), have their encriptions broken or compromised, regulary.

Reminds me of a Rat shack dealer I know who wanted some programs customized for his business. He had a relative who worked in the Government in computers. He sent the programs to him and within a week he had all the source code with his modifications written in. Compliments of Uncle Sam's Cray.

The diffacult we do immediatly, the impossible takes a little longer.

Sometimes you go in the front door, sometimes the back, sometimes through a rat hole.

The answer is out there.......look for it.

[HuSatellite]

You are trying to discredit Jack? You have 30 posts dude, if I were you I would slow down a little if you plan on making it to 60 posts.

LOL, Who the hell are you?

I bet i was a mod, years before you even started testing. I dont give a shit how many posts i have here. To bad you cant come see my post count at my home site.
You cant because its underground. :rolleyes:
When and where did you start testing? Come on, lets here it Mr bigshot...


Anyways,
Here is a full copy of sj's post TOP TO BOTTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's the loser now?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I Have seen a Cloned Nagra 2 Rom 101 Working.

It is a Clone of a Rom 101 Sub.
It had the Everything America package with Adult.
It also had PPV's

I am waiting for my Demos to proof it.

Yes I Know its a Clone, I Saw 2 cards with the same Cam ID on both.
It Had to be a Clone because the PPV's are wide open.

If anyone has a Rom 101 virgin or not.
we can send it out to get this.
cost $325 NO Warrantee

How do you know what a 101 or 102
there are some small numbers at the bottom of the card (at the end of the bard code) 1020001p06 = 102
1010001p04 = 101

bev only have 102's

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hrmmm looks like he's selling programming to me. Read it and weap....

SJ, i hear a few big players are pissed with you, Go visit satscams lol

This was not to be released for a few weeks. Even royce is confirming big players have somthing.

NOW,
Who's your daddy seaboard?

Ready to apoligize?

[smilingjack]

That had a notice on the top of it that I found it on another site and I put it in the scam thread so people would not buy it and lose their money.

[pitboss]

Not that anyone gives a rats ass what I have to say, but I do know HuSat from way back and he has always shot from the hip. If he says it, I will listen and give it creedence.

[HuSatellite]

Ok, whatever.... Thats why JT removed it i guess...... lol

Anyways, the fact is people are pissed. you made the post. Thats the truth

[HuSatellite]

Not that anyone gives a rats ass what I have to say, but I do know HuSat from way back and he has always shot from the hip. If he says it, I will listen and give it creedence.


Thanks Dude,

They can ban me if they like, Im just posting what i seen.

And they will lose even more knowledge here.

Whatever......

Thanks for the support pit

[seaboard18]

LOL, Who the hell are you?

I bet i was a mod, years before you even started testing. I dont give a shit how many posts i have here. To bad you cant come see my post count at my home site.
You cant because its underground. :rolleyes:
When and where did you start testing? Come on, lets here it Mr bigshot...


Anyways,
Here is a full copy of sj's post TOP TO BOTTOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who's the loser now?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I Have seen a Cloned Nagra 2 Rom 101 Working.

It is a Clone of a Rom 101 Sub.
It had the Everything America package with Adult.
It also had PPV's

I am waiting for my Demos to proof it.

Yes I Know its a Clone, I Saw 2 cards with the same Cam ID on both.
It Had to be a Clone because the PPV's are wide open.

If anyone has a Rom 101 virgin or not.
we can send it out to get this.
cost $325 NO Warrantee

How do you know what a 101 or 102
there are some small numbers at the bottom of the card (at the end of the bard code) 1020001p06 = 102
1010001p04 = 101

bev only have 102's

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hrmmm looks like he's selling programming to me. Read it and weap....

SJ, i hear a few big players are pissed with you, Go visit satscams lol

This was not to be released for a few weeks. Even royce is confirming big players have somthing.

NOW,
Who's your daddy seaboard?

Ready to apoligize?


It seems that it was posted in the correct forum ass wipe. This is Bogus and utter bullshit Nagra 2 hacks Forum. Maybe he saw something or maybe he didn’t. I stand by my post and I stand by Jack. If a true N2 happens you will here it direct from Mili, not the mods. Other things you see in this part of the forum may or may not be true.

Have a good night,

Seaboard

[HuSatellite]

Ok asssss kisser

[mili]

This thread has gone on long enough.

mili

[smilingjack]

Well I just finished reading your 30 posts.

It seems that you were always a trouble maker and can't even program a computers ports, a magic card, a IRD of a FTA since most of your posts were for help or to bitch about something.

I asked you to PM me a copy of the post you complained about 22 hours ago, seems like it took you a long time to edit it to your liking.

As for losing knowledge, the only knowledge you have posted here is how to make trouble, I am suprised chief did not ban you when you started in with him.

Please stop causing trouble or go back to your "underground site"



This was not to be released for a few weeks. Even royce is confirming big players have somthing.

Looks like you knew more about this than I did, and it was copied word for word except for the address from another site that I did not disclose so people would not buy it,

P. S. someone else is advertising it for only $ 250 in this thead too.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE I CAN COMPILE AND POST ALL 30 OF YOUR 'HELPFUL' POSTS HERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
They sound more like a newby that the 'great' HU, imposter.

hehehe