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mili

07-31-2005, 07:30 PM

I was approached by an individual I used to do business with back in the HU days to offer for sale a device that is teh first step in the right directions. He tookthe idea that the Magician so poorly attempted with the Magic Cards and took it a step further. It is a blocker board for N2 card for both DishNet and BEV.
The idea is this:
You subscribe with Dish or BEV to the maximum package (with DishNet you can sub all the porn channels as well for like $20 a month) then cancell or lower your sub and with the use of this card still retain all the channels you used to pay for.
While far from perfect this method is still better than nothing which is exactly what everyone else has. You will find his explanation of the board on www.activator2.com
I have received a sample of the board and verified during the past couple of weeks ( thanks mods for keeping your mouths shut) and will be offering it for sale in teh store for $99.
Since my testing ( and everyone else's) of this board is very limited please forgive me if I cannot answer all your questions right away, I will have to relay your questions to this dude. I should have the boards in stock on Wednesday night and THEN I will offer them for sale not a minute sooner as I don't sell stuff I do not posess, contrary to the established tactics in this industry.

mili

airart1

07-31-2005, 07:46 PM

that is sweet, thanks mili, u da man, i would expect a run on them i suppose, i wonder how charlie will try to kill these....

madmadmad

07-31-2005, 08:00 PM

what happens if you have an cardless ird??

DNorrisRay

07-31-2005, 08:05 PM

Thanks mili for all of your help and honesty. I purchased your backdoor file a while back and it is great. This is just another fine example of how legit people do legit things,just wanted to say thanks and happy testing.

AOAOAO

07-31-2005, 08:17 PM

Joe stummer

07-31-2005, 08:34 PM

Hats off to Mill and all , great site {The Best } great leader and great crew, for all the people that shit on him in the past you owe a Big sorry to Mill , once again the man has and always been right , thank you

pogotv2

07-31-2005, 08:35 PM

heres what I would do:

1. Find a few friends who you trust and sub all your cards to the MAX. Tell Charlie you have say 5 recievers in your house and you want them all setup the same way.

2. Purchase and install the new blocker cards from Milli for all subbed boxes.

3. Wait a few weeks then cancel your sub with Charlie.

4. Continue to watch N2TV " 3 Cheers for Milli"

Initial cost for sub is split between you and your friends.

HuSatellite

07-31-2005, 08:38 PM

So this is just blocking teirs? Or does it have an update feature?
No one wants to repeatadly update their account....

spanky macdouga

07-31-2005, 09:02 PM

What if we were to sub one system only to the max and then clone that recievers box keys and ird # to other recievers? Would that work?

Roky99

07-31-2005, 09:04 PM

Oh well now is public I been using this for a month with no problem,,

but now is public ,, so charlie is going to put conditon when you sub for all
channel,,

if you sub for all channell he going to make stay with all channell for a least
six month before downgrade to the basic,, whach for this to hapen on charlie side ,,

so be carefull people you going to loose your money

forsure.. you see...

:rolleyes:

mili

07-31-2005, 09:07 PM

As I said PLEASE read the FAQ on www.activator2.com
He explains how updates will happen

mili

madmadmad

07-31-2005, 09:14 PM

people you must realize it might not be that simple if charlie gives you cardless boxes

spanky macdouga

07-31-2005, 09:19 PM

people you must realize it might not be that simple if charlie gives you cardless boxes

Will Dish allow you to subscribe and use existing equipment that you 'bought at a garage sale'? Will they send you new cards because the equipment that you 'bought at a garage sale' did not have cards? TIA

Neo

07-31-2005, 09:27 PM

If I am reading this right 99 bucks for the cards & first 3 months of programming?

Any idea how much fees will be after 3 month period?

What are the chances of this turning into another MC/MC2/MCS circus?

Could I see the software? etc...

airart1

07-31-2005, 09:34 PM

ya, it said 99 bucks for 6 months!

mili

07-31-2005, 10:02 PM

He told me that most likley DishNet will most likely take about 4-6 month (based on past experience) to attack the card. If they do and when they do he will provide a subscription based service to update the A2 cards. I am not sure how much he will charge as I do not see it on his site now. This is not a bog thing now but once the swap is complete and nothing else really around (all other news about hacks and clones turned out to be the expected) I think to retain all channels for near nothing is not a bad deal. Anway, cardless receivers obviously wont work and it I remember there is a tech page there telling us just that. Dish still subs old receivers and sends out N2 cards for them.

mili

Roky99

07-31-2005, 10:06 PM

Ho,, (( My crystal ball )) is telling me

they would be many people with loop yellow cards...

or even Mark cards once that happen dead cards

no body can write to card or read ,, we can't even decript the stream

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Now I like one thing about this ,, and is the charlie haven finish with N1 stream

and now he have to worry about this,, ho well charlie though that he finish

with us ,, but not really we back nightmare for charlie is back...!!!
:)

seaboard18

07-31-2005, 10:35 PM

He told me that most likley DishNet will most likely take about 4-6 month (based on past experience) to attack the card.

mili

Would that be 4-6 months after the N2 swap is complete, or 4-6 months from the first day of implementation of the use of this activator card?

BEV N2 is complete now, so that should be 4 to 6 months, is this correct?

Neo

07-31-2005, 10:48 PM

JCK7

07-31-2005, 11:32 PM

will this work with BELL??? in Canada
thanks

The first working Nagra2 tool, the revolutionary new ACTIVATOR2 is now here.
This card is designed to work in married and subscribed or married ex-subscribed configurations with a functional Nagra 2 Dish Network or Bell Express Vu card.
The card is designed to protect a subscribed or ex-subscribed card against stream updates. What this means is that you can use the ACTIVATOR 2 to preserve the channel tiers on your subscribed card or ex-subscribed card, prevent EEPROM writes, stop revision updates, etc.

Support for this card is free for the first 3 months after purchase. If ECMs will start targeting the card (not expected for the year of 2005) support will then be $99 for every 6 months.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.activator2.com/faq.html

seaboard18

07-31-2005, 11:37 PM

As for how long before an attack will begin?

Lets be fair to mili & the folks at A2?

They are enguaging in speculation based on their past experience. Holding mili or anyone else to a timeline on this would be most unfair.

I would be curious to see programming though before getting my feet wet.

The explanation of the time line is not posed [To Hold Mili] to an exact period of time. However Charley will buy this card and will exploit it as quickly as possible. This exploit is not a hack and should not be considered as a hack. This is the best work around that Mili can offer anyone, if it can work on BEV for 4-6 months with minimal problems it is worth its salt until something better comes along. I don't think Mili would offer it if he was not sure that it will work. Mili tested Tier data for quite sometime that is posted in the Advanced Technical Discussion Forum here.

The Activator web site's FAQ is a little gray in the explanation of some key facts. That does not mean that the information listed is false or misleading, it just means that further details should be answered. Mili is not in the scam business, so if he sells it, it should work.

test

07-31-2005, 11:42 PM

so if someone purchases this from canada where will it be sent from...
customs are a bitch

CRASHER

07-31-2005, 11:53 PM

donnibrasco

08-01-2005, 12:03 AM

peedeejim

08-01-2005, 12:05 AM

yes i remember

Homer J. Simpson

08-01-2005, 12:06 AM

what about ppv other then porn? ppv movies and events? will this work for that or no? please explain, thank you.

BiggerBear

08-01-2005, 12:10 AM

ACTIVATOR2 is "OUT OF STOCK" at DSSFTP. Not that I was going to buy it anyway. I don't have a subscription and would think that Dishnet is having new Subscribers sign up for long terms.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:33 AM

what happens if you have an cardless ird??

YOU ARE SCREWED

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:37 AM

Ok quick question.
Say you purchase an IRD on the BaY. Hook it up and it's still active like I've gotten in the past. I guess what your saying is that it should keep what ever is active stilll on right? :confused:
BTW Thanks for this great info.

Wait until you get the A2 card to buy it, make sure it is still active, they don't stay active long anymore, and put in the A2 card in and it will stay active.

NOTICE: This and other answers by mods are just conjecture, we don't have any cards to experiment with yet, all answers are based on the inventors information only

XP4

08-01-2005, 12:39 AM

Gentleman-

We must learn to crawl before we can walk.

As Mili said, it's a step in the right direction.

XP4
what about ppv other then porn? ppv movies and events? will this work for that or no? please explain, thank you.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:40 AM

So this is just blocking teirs? Or does it have an update feature?
No one wants to repeatadly update their account....

This is blocking the cancel commands and it is supposed to let the activation commands and tiers update through as well.

NOTICE: This and other answers by mods are just conjecture, we don't have any cards to experiment with yet, all answers are based on the inventors information only

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:42 AM

What if we were to sub one system only to the max and then clone that recievers box keys and ird # to other recievers? Would that work?

You would still only have one card and would have to switch the card around.
See the clone IRD for N2 thread to see which IRD's can be cloned and still work with N2.

NOTICE: This and other answers by mods are just conjecture, we don't have any cards to experiment with yet, all answers are based on the inventors information only

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:44 AM

Will Dish allow you to subscribe and use existing equipment that you 'bought at a garage sale'? Will they send you new cards because the equipment that you 'bought at a garage sale' did not have cards? TIA

Yes look at the "pirate channels" last mamber that posted said $ 146 for the first year, I assume a min sub.

NOTICE: This and other answers by mods are just conjecture, we don't have any cards to experiment with yet, all answers are based on the inventors information only

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:54 AM

I still can not understand this:
1. Is this an intermediate like AVR?
2. How would key change accomplished? Nobody have been able to write anything to N2.
3. Why should we insert unprotected card to reciever in IRD, even for a brief moment?

1. This is a blocker, like mili's private blocker for plastic. It just keeps the delete extra channels command from being exercised.

2. By programming the card with the new keys via a plastic (type) programmer.

3. I would not recommend it since the delete command is usually left in the stream for weeks.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 12:56 AM

so if someone purchases this from canada where will it be sent from...
customs are a bitch

mili will have to answer this, we have not been told where it will be shipped from.

Nagra1

08-01-2005, 01:01 AM

1. What happens when they start changing the keys 5 times a day?
2. Will I get any screen freezing like the Magiccard in blocker mode?
3. After a ECM and I reset my receiver will the receiver still be Authorized.
4. Does the card come with any guarantee at all, like if it does not work as advertised your money back?

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 01:03 AM

great news mili.you the man.i take it that there won`t be ppv movies or events at this time.something to look forward to in the future.guess thats why you needed a sub.thought you might be up to something with that move.

That is an interesting question.

I also wonder what will happen, it allows a add channel command through but it should block the delete channel through, theroetically if you order channel 492 /293/494/495/496 etc. and it is sent to you it should stay on forever according to the inventor ??? Same with PPV ????

Buy it once and have it forever ???
Let us know if it works that way. !!!!!

That would KICK ASS.....free PPV & PORNNNNNNNNNNN for the price of one purchase !!

Homer J. Simpson

08-01-2005, 01:09 AM

is it already sold out for real? or is it not been offered for sale by mili yet? and if not or sold out when will it be available agian?

dbssteve

08-01-2005, 01:17 AM

is this the new equiptment that charlie has ecm''''''''s for in his pirate channel?

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 01:19 AM

The first shipment has not arrived yet.
Watch for the announcment that they are here.

seaboard18

08-01-2005, 01:52 AM

1. This is a blocker, like mili's private blocker for plastic. It just keeps the delete extra channels command from being exercised.

2. By programming the card with the new keys via a plastic (type) programmer.

3. I would not recommend it since the delete command is usually left in the stream for weeks.

You may also stream your card for a minutes to get the new keys. So it says on that web site.

sask3m

08-01-2005, 01:55 AM

this will work great for bev, which i sub to but what i really want is dish, living in canada its possible but difficult to sub to dish, maybe someone will come up with a way to sell subbed dish cams for us canadians, here's hoping :)

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 02:12 AM

You may also stream your card for a minutes to get the new keys. So it says on that web site.

Tyring to get more information on that.

It's not clear,

sounds like just wait and it will roll ?
Put just the A2 card in to stream ?
Put just the sub card in to roll ? what if it kills the old sub you are blocking for ?

Mili will find out and let us know.

SecurityRisk

08-01-2005, 02:21 AM

Trying to keep up with the pace of this thread - pretty sure this hasn't been answered - if it has sorry - one of the features of the MC's was supposed to be using it as a blocker under a yellow rom, calling dish/bev up and cancelling or downgrading your sub. I never used if for that purpose because I dont dont sub to either dish or bev. However I seem to remember that people had issues with that feature working properly. And I ask because testing it for two weeks - seems like that if such an issue existed with these cards - it might not be apparent yet.

seaboard18

08-01-2005, 02:22 AM

Tyring to get more information on that.

It's not clear,

sounds like just wait and it will roll ?
Put just the A2 card in to stream ?
Put just the sub card in to roll ? what if it kills the old sub you are blocking for ?

Mili will find out and let us know.

It was not clear to me either. I think it means to put the sub card in to stream though. That would update the key information in the eprom rather quickly. I don't understand why an auto roll checksum blocker can't be added to the activator but when it is card related, I understand less everyday.

JCK7

08-01-2005, 02:25 AM

Will all rec work with card .301-10 501-508 -510- 721 -

where this link

smilingjack C&P

You would still only have one card and would have to switch the card around.
See the clone IRD for N2 thread to see which IRD's can be cloned and still work with N2.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 03:02 AM

It should work with any IRD that works with the N2 card. NO problem there.

The other question was asking about cloning different IRD's and using the same set of cards in them.

We had a thread about what IRD's could be secessfully cloned to use the same card, some worked, some didn't

It seems like someone has unstuck that thread (or deleted it) and it has disappeared.
I searched a little and if anyone can remember something particular written there to use as a search word/phrase it may be found, otherwise the Information has been lost.

HuSatellite

08-01-2005, 03:05 AM

what worries me, is who knows what the first ecm will hold.
It may not even be repairable

HuSatellite

08-01-2005, 03:15 AM

On another note,
Why do you need a sub if you can manually update the teir dates. If you were that far couldnt you add the teirs also?

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 03:17 AM

what worries me, is who knows what the first ecm will hold.
It may not even be repairable

This is the best I can find to tell you at present, It is programm updatable

He told me that most likley DishNet will most likely take about 4-6 month (based on past experience) to attack the card. If they do and when they do he will provide a subscription based service to update the A2 cards.

wyochimneysweep

08-01-2005, 03:47 AM

so many questions. LOL i cant keep up

spanga

08-01-2005, 04:06 AM

largest feeding frenzy i've seen...lol....it will be cool to find out if while you are subbed and using the activator at the same time, can you order as many ppv channels as will max out the cam and keep those channels....ie nfl package or a selection of porn....i for one don't mind paying for my sub...it's those ppv i want for free.......351 for bev would be a start...

Decal guy

08-01-2005, 04:12 AM

If no one can read the N2 stream how do they know what packets to allow and to block.

t160hq

08-01-2005, 04:22 AM

On another note,
Why do you need a sub if you can manually update the teir dates. If you were that far couldnt you add the teirs also?

From what I read at the site it sounds like the card has a expiration date built in and updated in 5 day increments. Nothing to do with tier expiration dates. So the cam itself has to be streamed every few days for the updated expiration date. Or updated via iso programmer. It seems simple tasks like that are already logged and available for exploit.

Tier expirations must similar to N1 tiers. They don't expire. Or simply blocking the turn off wouldn't work. With of course the exception of PPV. Personally I'm guessing it won't work on PPV by ordering one and getting it long term. Even in N1 PPV tiers expired usually within 24 hours of the event beginning.

t160hq

t160hq

08-01-2005, 04:30 AM

If no one can read the N2 stream how do they know what packets to allow and to block.

You don't necessarly have to know what's in the package. The fact they used christmas paper to wrap is enough to know it's a christmas present.

t160hq

dishnewbief59E

08-01-2005, 04:50 AM

i want to say something i dont really no anything about code or encryption...but first for what i have been reading mili has not tested A2 card.....second the A2 site doesnt even say how much they will charge for software support after 3 months or the first ecm....but what boders me is wouldnt charlie notice hundreds maybe thousands of their costumers doing the same kind of de-moding their complete package subs after a 2 or 3 weeks to a 30 dollar plan??? i think their going to catch on to this quick and shut this hack down??? and at 99dollars a pop for a card that the mods havent even tested for at least a month...i really dont no guys i really hope this is the first step to something good...but i think i will sit this one out and wait for the results...give the product sometime and see if the A2 can deliver what it say it can do.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 05:07 AM

Bummer, well it was a thought anyway.

spanga

08-01-2005, 05:25 AM

well we can rest assured that there will enough folks testing this device soon enough and those that are faint of heart will know in 6 mos or so if it holds....i have my doubts, but that's just me....the whole picture looks like instead of paying the providers for tv you pay some other group....similiar to discounted long distance providers....we're going to be on someone's hook one way or another....at least with a sub you'll always know where you stand......nothing bad to say about businessmen....on this one ya pays your money and takes your chances....don't expect any guarantees

seaboard18

08-01-2005, 05:28 AM

i want to say something i dont really no anything about code or encryption...but first for what i have been reading mili has not tested A2 card.....

second the A2 site doesnt even say how much they will charge for software support after 3 months or the first ecm....

but what boders me is wouldnt charlie notice hundreds maybe thousands of their costumers doing the same kind of de-moding their complete package subs after a 2 or 3 weeks to a 30 dollar plan???

If ECMs will start targeting the card (not expected for the year of 2005) support will then be $99 for every 6 months.

This card is designed to work in married and subscribed or married ex-subscribed configurations with a functional Nagra 2 Dish Network or Bell Express Vu card.

The card is designed to protect a subscribed or ex-subscribed card against stream updates.

What this means is that you can use the ACTIVATOR 2 to preserve the channel tiers on your subscribed card or ex-subscribed card, prevent EEPROM writes, stop revision updates, etc.

allanjames

08-01-2005, 07:39 AM

whats the warranty?6 months, a year or until my check clears?

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 07:45 AM

Didn't notice one on the dealers site hxxp://www.activator2.com/ maybe I missed it, you can always e-mail them and ask, please let us know if you find out it's all new to us too.

Thanls, Sj

winning_bet

08-01-2005, 07:48 AM

this device reminds me of the "Black Shadow" or "Apollo" back in the DTV HU days. when we all used a Black Shadow or an Apollo with our "Avenger".....oh the good old days ! now if someone comes out with an "Avenger" type apparatus to work in harmony with the A2 we'll really be back in business ! i can only hope......

Barrybbq

08-01-2005, 08:12 AM

Sounds like "The Magician" has a new Website! You people must really be slow around this place to realise that he is behind this. Add it up, his old site goes down, no more money there, no way to Gouge people, so he invents a "NEW MAGIC CARD" and looks for suckers to buy it. I think that there may be too many sheep out here in Dish land.

Grinlock

08-01-2005, 08:21 AM

When using the blocker do you leave your phone line connected?

Will you be able to ship to the USA?

Will this work with all yellow card ROM revisions? (Some say yes...?)

Will it work with PPV? (Some say no...?)

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 08:25 AM

Yes you are not hacking anything. The card is invisable.

Yes

Yes

Yes If you sub then cancel, they say it won't work if you just order 1 movie. it expires in 24 hours automaticly without a cancel command.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 08:27 AM

So what is your point, my magic cards have been working for over a year and a half, and still do.

I don't think mili would do business with him again after all the shit he caused.

If the cards works as advertised, who cares who designed and programmed it. It's a lot cheaper than anything else out there so far and the other stuff dosen't seem to work anyway.

Buy it or watch N1 until the end and then sub, unless something else comes out.

Your choice no one is twisting your arm.

sfg

08-01-2005, 10:14 AM

We had a thread about what IRD's could be secessfully cloned to use the same card, some worked, some didn't

It seems like someone has unstuck that thread (or deleted it) and it has disappeared.
I searched a little and if anyone can remember something particular written there to use as a search word/phrase it may be found, otherwise the Information has been lost.

Hey SJ,

Here ya go

http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43100

sfg

mili

08-01-2005, 12:23 PM

After talking to the guy he agreed to provide free support as long as he can for the A2 cards. Keep in mind that there is no warranty in this sport. You want warranty go and subscribe. Some people are impossible to please, they would bitch and moan and spread hatered even if they won the lottery, pleasing them is not even attempted, banning will work just fine.
There will be a "TIER UPDATE GLOBAL EMMS" forum where we post Dish/Bev tier expiration updates. Testers could then run these commands on their ISO programmers to update the expiration date of their`cards. People should get used to these "TIER UPDATE GLOBAL EMMS" like the key`changes of the old days. However, instead of changing keys everyday,tier updates can be performed once every 2 months. Also, if Dish/Bev start changing the Nagra 2 public keys, we can post those commands online too.

The A2 cards work on any Dish/BEV receiver that uses cards. Some new receivers have their card slots disabled in their firmware though so check the compatibility list on www.activator2.com/tech.html
Shipping to Canada is not a problem either. While the market is kind of limited for this type of gadget it is the first thing that is for real so it should be hailed as a proof of real work actually done on the cards. I will not enable the product until I have the first shipment of 200 cards in on Wednesday. That is when I will be able to send out the free samples to those I have promised them to. If you have something better don't keep it a secret, if not then instead of bashing something that is not even sold yet shut your stupid mouth and get out of here. I begin to have a very short fuse for assholes whose sole purpose in life is to be dumb.

mili

sirredz

08-01-2005, 02:59 PM

Thank you to Mili and the mods here. We can't do it without you.

:SrZ:

jerseyjoe6969

08-01-2005, 03:04 PM

what happens if you have an cardless ird??
i also have 2 recievers cardless that i pay for. thanx

binbin123

08-01-2005, 03:32 PM

They have 1 for DTV. that works if you have a sub card

Omorfi

08-01-2005, 03:44 PM

Hey all...I have a question...I have never used a magic card or atmega or anything else other then plastic...will this A2 card have any instructions on how to proceed to use it or will support be offered on this site...thanks...:)

vmod32

08-01-2005, 06:03 PM

This thing looks alot like a magic card... Paid support thats through 'someone else'. Perhaps someone will hack it and we'll be able to put the same software on our magic cards, wouldent that be interesting. Erm, can we call it the magic card 3 when the creator backs out on the support because his hardware was ripped off. History is doomed to repeate itself. I just kidding, I hope it works out, and am sure it will in the short term. But I just don't see this working for too long, I guess I'm a cynic.

This device is def the first step in the right direction and most hacks start out like this. If we get 5 months out of it that may be enough time for something better to hit the market. I just don't want to see the day when there is no options for testing in this community. I don't want charlie to see the day where he wins, I want him to eat his words on the pirate tv channel.

I'm sure I'll pick one up at some point, thats why we call it testing. Like mili said if you want a warranty you've come to the wrong place. From the looks of the FAQ this does not look like a device for the complete novice. But should not be a problem for anyone that can program plastic.

Again, this is why mili's is the best place to be. Anyone with a real hack is going to give it to mili, not through e-mail spam.

Charlie tha ball is in your court now. Let the game begin (again)!

abba

08-01-2005, 06:45 PM

i read FAQ on activator2 site ,but i couldn't find anything about ppv/event question.Does any one knows how it works.

airart1

08-01-2005, 07:07 PM

just going to have to wait and see, this is all new and i'm sure there will be some questions that can be answered as soon as this thing gets rolling, let's have some patience and i'm sure mili will have some better knowledge to answer all the questions......

mili

08-01-2005, 07:08 PM

The cards are plug and play ther eis no programming involved and if you read what I wrote you will see that the guy will release updates for free no subscription with him will be needed as long as he can. No, PPV is not supported as event IDs constantly change, preserving one will not be of much use. If and when an update is needed I am sure a step by step simple How To will be provided by him and if he wont do it I will.

mili

wesman

08-01-2005, 07:34 PM

What I'm wondering is this:

Say you subscribe to everything, and then cancel, utilizing the blocker you get all channels (save PPV, special events etc). What occurs if an ECM happens? Do you then need to re-subscribe to everything and start the process all over ? I don't think it's going to take Charlie too long to figure this out.

--wes

mili

08-01-2005, 07:44 PM

No, all they can do is black you out. If that happens he will release a patch you need to apply to your N2 card with an ISO programmer. If and when the A2 itself needs to be reprogrammed he will let us know how and what to do. If shit happens all they can do is black you out not to wipe activations off or loop or any nasty thing done to the N2 card itself.

mili

breakinpar

08-01-2005, 07:52 PM

bigtimebawler

08-01-2005, 08:34 PM

Sounds interesting......Mili, let us know when you will be selling them.

Step in a good direction :)

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 08:37 PM

Hey SJ,

Here ya go

http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43100

sfg

Thanks sfg, I borught it back up to the top again, it had just went down the timeline after it was not used since April, maybe it will be useful information again for those with several IRD's and who buy one activator card to test with at first.

puddinboo

08-01-2005, 08:41 PM

I thought the magic card was suppose to do the same as the A2 card ?(or so it seemed. :)

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 08:49 PM

This thing looks alot like a magic card... Paid support thats through 'someone else'. Perhaps someone will hack it and we'll be able to put the same software on our magic cards, wouldent that be interesting. Erm, can we call it the magic card 3 when the creator backs out on the support because his hardware was ripped off. History is doomed to repeate itself. I just kidding, I hope it works out, and am sure it will in the short term. But I just don't see this working for too long, I guess I'm a cynic.

Just how many ways are there to make a card that does what it does and still fit in the card slot with the plastic ? I can't think of any myself that do NOT look like a Magic card, would you prefer something that looks like the old HU board and sticks out 6 inches ?

It seems to me he studied the magic card and I think he would have avoided the mistakes made there, but if it is hacked it will be to your advantege (free programming)

Of course someone besides charlie wil buy one and reverse engineer it, they do that with everything that comes out.

smilingjack

08-01-2005, 08:53 PM

I thought the magic card was suppose to do the same as the A2 card ?(or so it seemed. :)

IT did for N1 until charlie found a way around it, It also protected against ECM and TSOP writes until charlie stumbled on a way to screw up the TSOP by acciident looking for a way to knock out FTA's.

Nothng lasts forever,it is a cat and mouse game.

puddinboo

08-01-2005, 09:11 PM

I wonder if the A2 card is going to expire like the magic card did so u have to pay for programming every 6 months?

Mimic

08-01-2005, 09:14 PM

Mili,

Your coder can write to the N2 card?? all revisions? or was that a typo,the patch would be applied to the A2 card.

Regards

ROTFLOL
I had to stop reading this thread and go put my boots on

toma

08-01-2005, 09:15 PM

vmod32

08-01-2005, 09:15 PM

Just how many ways are there to make a card that does what it does and still fit in the card slot with the plastic ? I can't think of any myself that do NOT look like a Magic card, would you prefer something that looks like the old HU board and sticks out 6 inches ?

It seems to me he studied the magic card and I think he would have avoided the mistakes made there, but if it is hacked it will be to your advantege (free programming)

Of course someone besides charlie wil buy one and reverse engineer it, they do that with everything that comes out.

That is true. Personaly, I would rather the thing stick out like a bootloader board as it's pretty easy to screw up either your cam of the card. But either way, if it works it works, I'm sure it's cheaper to make this way too and it looks slick too.

I guess my only point is that if it does get ripped off the magic card would be a good platfrom to use as many people already have them and it previously worked in this manner. I don't know and doubt if it would ever happen, but man would it be ironic. Or better yet someone could develop on their own a blocker like this that works on a magic card, that would be sweet and not ripping someone elses work off. Maybe I should start buying up MC cards, I bet could get them for a dime a dozen. lol

shopright

08-01-2005, 09:18 PM

So I can take my rom 101 programed card wide open that does not exist place it on top of my activator 2 and Iam good to go for 4 to 6 mo no problems. sounds good think it will work.

vmod32

08-01-2005, 09:18 PM

smilingjack signature:

"THERE IS NO P-4 / P-5 HACK
CURRENT DISH KEYS.... 7-28-05 17:42:10
THERE IS NO N2 HACK
KEY0 C1 AE 0A 78 65 47 BB E4 Active .....
THERE IS NO N2 CLONE
KEY1 E9 FD 53 DE B5 37 FC 44............... "

Originally Posted by mili:
"No, all they can do is black you out. If that happens he will release a patch you need to apply to your N2 card with an ISO programmer"

?????Is this not hack??????

This is NOT a hack, It's a blocker, we still don't know how the N2 card works and can't dump it or write to it. But we can prevent certain commands from reaching it so it wont deactivate. I'm willing to be that the way we will be updating our N2 cards via ISO will not be by opening the card, but by simply sending the commands it would get while it is in the stream.

toma

08-01-2005, 09:22 PM

"patch you need to apply to your N2 card with an ISO programmer"

apply patch=write to card - or i missed something.?not full write,but this is beginning
A2 is blocker.

vmod32

08-01-2005, 09:31 PM

It not opening the card and writing directly to it's memory like we do with N1 Cards, It's sending commands like how it would get them in the stream that update the teirs and such, thats my guess atleast

fparkin

08-02-2005, 01:39 AM

You Guys Are Nuts To Buy This Card It A Magic card That It Remember That Cirus

My Atmega Lasted Longer Just My Opinion

08-02-2005, 03:11 AM

You Guys Are Nuts To Buy This Card It A Magic card That It Remember That Cirus

My Atmega Lasted Longer Just My Opinion

So what's that atmega gonna be good for when N2 is fully implemented? This card isn't the solution we are all hoping for, but it's damn nice start. It's reason enough to have hope for the future even if you choose not to purchase one.

smilingjack

08-02-2005, 04:05 AM

#40Fan

08-02-2005, 04:12 AM

It does have me confused. When you read the FAQ and it asks about the Public Key Change, it does say that you can write a patch to the card, didn't say A2, or you can restream your card for a couple of minutes. If you were going to restream anything, it would be the N2 card itself. So when it uses the word "card" in both sentences, that is what gets me.

jayman23

08-02-2005, 04:13 AM

I think that people are getting confused by some terms that have been used.
The programming and patches are done to the Activator2 card not the plastic N2 card.

I know you plastic people are used to 'patches' being put on the access cards, this is not the case here.

If you compare the specs of the N2 card to the activator card you will see significant differances between them that forcloses using the Magic card (1 or 2) as a N2 blocker.
sj you didn't read it

How do I refresh the expiration date on my card?

Easy. The commands used to update the expiration will be logged and publicly posted on many forums. You can then simply use an ISO program to send this "expiration-refresh" command to your card. You may also stream your card for a few minutes to update the expiration date. Once you have updated the expiration date, use your card with the ACTIVATOR 2 and check the info screen to make sure the expiration date has indeed been updated.

Back to top

What do I do if there is a public key change?

There are currently no public key changes in the datastream. If the keys change, you will get a black screen. The commands that update the keys will be posted on the forums and you can simply update your card with an ISO programmer. You may also stream your card for a minutes to get the new keys.

#40Fan

08-02-2005, 04:26 AM

The "There are currently no public key changes in the datastream" has got me too. In another post on this site, there is a mention of an N2 card being left out of the stream for a few days. After being restreamed, he got the 005 error. I have asked him to make sure that is what error he got and have asked others with N2 cards to try it and see what happens. The 005 error is associated with key changes. Could be an interesting development.

smilingjack

08-02-2005, 04:29 AM

sj you didn't read it

How do I refresh the expiration date on my card?

Easy. The commands used to update the expiration will be logged and publicly posted on many forums. You can then simply use an ISO program to send this "expiration-refresh" command to your card. You may also stream your card for a few minutes to update the expiration date. Once you have updated the expiration date, use your card with the ACTIVATOR 2 and check the info screen to make sure the expiration date has indeed been updated..

I don't understand these statements my self we have a request in for a clarification to the programmer.

It would seem to me that if you re-stream the card without the blocker card in place and the cancel card command was in the stream you would lose everything.

On the other hand I do not see how the update command can be sent to the card with a ISO loader.

What do I do if there is a public key change?

There are currently no public key changes in the datastream. If the keys change, you will get a black screen. The commands that update the keys will be posted on the forums and you can simply update your card with an ISO programmer. You may also stream your card for a minutes to get the new keys.

Well that changed today with the Aug 1 key change.

I have the same question submitted for clarification as the first question.

As soon as I know I will add it to the NEW Q & A thread.

Sj

Matisse

08-02-2005, 06:33 AM

in case i didnt learn my lesson with the magic 1 card and now whoaaaa...the magic 3 card is here......if i drop my pants and bend over,will someone remind me?

ill watch this "circus" from the sidelines this time

with the extra money i now have,maybe i can afford some popcorn,i likes a good show!

it aint porn but can get/be nasty!

lol

mruk69

08-02-2005, 07:22 AM

My question is on the quality of the card. It looks too much like the Magic cards, and we know that they were made like shit. So, can someone who has had the card in their hand verify this. Also, I have a subcription i am willing to keep but if a add some internationals to eliminate a shared receiver, you think i would be able to activate it for a month and then cancel.

I personally think people should wait and see unless you have money to throw aroiund. it is likely to be duplicated in other forms maybe even in an Atmega form (I am not saying Amega 128) with a better stronger build than this one.
What also worries me is "free lifetime support", where have I heard that before. LOL.

smilingjack

08-02-2005, 07:28 AM

Take a look at the top and bottom picture of the card I posted here:http://www.dssftp.com/forum/t46823-acvitator2-f-a-q-amp-a.html

It looks a lot different than the magic card, If the guy was smart he covered everything with epoxy so people could not make copy's easy it looks a lot better.

That is just what the card is designed and advertised to do, add some extra channels, put the card in and cancel the extra channels and still have them. It will be a economical way to test it too if you already have a sub, just expand it then fall back to the original.

#40Fan

08-02-2005, 07:29 AM

Support for this card is free for the first 3 months after purchase. If ECMs will start targeting the card (not expected for the year of 2005) support will then be $99 for every 6 months.

Jcar1

08-02-2005, 08:16 AM

Are they going to have one for DTV?

smilingjack

08-02-2005, 08:18 AM

I am sure if this guy has one we would have heard about it by now.

seaboard18

08-02-2005, 08:33 AM

On the other hand I do not see how the update command can be sent to the card with a ISO loader.
Sj

There was some testing using an ISO loader to issue these commands in the Nag 2 Tech Forums a few months ago. I looked back in them for a few minutes but can't find the posts that relate to your question. If I find it, I will see to it that you get that information. At the time those posts were made I did not see how it could be done either. Now I have to say the guy who posted it is correct.

smilingjack

08-02-2005, 08:36 AM

Maybe they pulled it when it worked. keeping secrets.
Maybe they pulled because it didn't work.
The answer if we get one from Mr. A may be insteresting.

seaboard18

08-02-2005, 08:43 AM

Maybe they pulled it when it worked. keeping secrets.
Maybe they pulled because it didn't work.
The answer if we get one from Mr. A may be insteresting.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to keep it a secret. It did sound a little to the left but the guy was sure of himself at the time. It may still be here, I will look for it in a few minutes.

TENTEN

08-02-2005, 09:15 AM

Smells like a G1 all over again well maybe the first in a 2 part series 1st anti desub,,, then 2nd tiers with exsub or sorts once the 1st gets squashed by dish.

Honestly for now if people want a gaurantee it sounds more stable to buy 4 311 receivers and activate them with a $90 sub and share the bill with friends until something more reliable come about for the nagra 2 other then just anouther married sub configuration, for myself i am going to just wait till there is no chans left and maybe something will will be public, and if not this married configuration deal will definately still be around and then i will try it.

I guess if someone needs various language channels for free right now, then this a good thing for you now, please let the rest of us know how they work out.

Just my 2 cents.

But hey this might be a good thing we will all have to wait and see.

tbelisle

08-02-2005, 05:09 PM

Deleted own post so that it would not be taken as if I was bashing or flaming! That was never my intention!

mili

08-02-2005, 05:20 PM

Guys if you are waiting for me to try defending this thing and explain things you will be waiting for soem time. When I get them in and ship out the first ones you can test it and answer your own questions. I do not have to defend anything, let the facts speak for themselves. Only an utter moron would be puting something down he did not even see it yet. I base my reviews on observations not my imagination. When I have the first resale batch in on Wednesday or Thursday I will send free samples to those I promosed them to then they can tell you what they found too. If you want a first hand experience you need to buy one when it is available. Support by the way was changed to be free. You all want everything for $99 I know but everything costs a bit more and requires a full sub with all special events and PPV from DishNet and will run you about $300 a month. If you think that $99 is too much for this board then do not buy it, go sub, use stuff that works on N1 or get cable TV. Other than that this is what has a future, nothing else does at this point. Some of you are incredibly spoiled and think if you whine loud enough you will get instant and full gratification. Get real, grow up or go away.

mili

tbelisle

08-02-2005, 05:31 PM

Instant gratification is not what I am all about!
I was in the magic card soap opera from the start! Hell... I defended you ass to the point that the only site that actualy lets me log in now is this one. (until now maybe!)

I have always spoken my ming, I am not bashing you or your product! never have, never will. I just chose to sit this one out for a while and gonna let the others that actualy CAN afford to test it do so.

spanky macdouga

08-02-2005, 06:05 PM

bigtimebawler

08-02-2005, 06:08 PM

You all are looking at this wrong. If this device does work, it will open up the door for N2 testing. Think about it, if it works you can play around with adding tiers and ppv etc. to your card and won't have to worry to much on screwing up your valuable yellow cards. This should be the turning point. Also, if you do decide to pay for the $300 to $500 rom 101 clone, this could be your personal way to guarantee it stay working longer. From what I understand the Rom 101 clone has no gaurantee. So just shut up and watch the festivities; If you are not gonna participate. Knowlege and patience is the key. By the way, we still have TV on the N1 stream...so RELAX!!!

:)

tbelisle

08-02-2005, 06:22 PM

This was the kicker for me.... nagracadabra@gmail.com

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

Markman

08-02-2005, 09:21 PM

tbelisle

08-02-2005, 09:24 PM

Maybe another month long trip... who knows?

smilingjack

08-02-2005, 10:07 PM

I don't care who made this card , if its the magic card in another color or totally different..I just hope that the money made by selling this product would be used to Micro probe the N2 latest card.

If we don't .. this game is over!

whoever made this card .. could be smart and use the money to open up the Nagra2 system and be able to make a lot more money in the long term. or they can just count on this little thing and i am sure charlie would fix it up so it would be worthless in 6 month the most..

It looks different as it can be and do basicly the same thing, a lot of Dave stuff looked like that too. From the pictures it looks nice and smooth with nothing sticking out and has a lot of different specs, compare them yourself. I posted pics in the Q & A thread.

It IS EVIDENT he studied the magicians work WHICH WAS A REVOLUTONARY piece of invention, and maybe since he stole the idea he also finds it funny to use the e-mail name he picked (TB).

if we can dump the card.. we would have the new system for years 2 to 5 years
I would say. I am sure charlie has a new system for 2010 maybe they are more active and would have it by 2008. still that's a long time to make a lot of $$$

so please please whoever designed this card invest this money on the right item.

Well this is supposed to be a old time Dave coder. But if it is magician, which I doubt, he used the money he made to work on N2.

This just a beggining and I am sure he will keep working on newer and better things.

Crazy1_79

08-02-2005, 10:42 PM

This is my worries about the activator, Number one, it is Magician in disguise. Number 2, if dish gets a hold of one of these things, and we all know they will. all they have to do is get around it once and the whole purpose for why you paid for it is done, your extended package that you cancelled is gone, now you only get what you pay for. So you have to call dish up and up your sub once again, then you have to cancel again, then lets say they get around it once more, or you going to feel comfortable upping and cancelling your sub upgrade that much? I know I wouldn't, but that is just me, I don't mean to rip on this technology, I may even look into getting one. Just my first thoughts here on the whole ordeal. It is a start and that is good. hopefully there is a lot more great things to follow, like a full blown hack.

crazyfish12

08-02-2005, 11:42 PM

.....if and buts were candy and nuts we couls have a party!...hehehe
Anyway i doubt that very many of the people here ever tested with a battary card?

dont no what one is do a search ..theres some old hacking files still out there.

some of us started along time ago....when it was testing , trial and error! you had to spend some money and really be into it , it wasnt about free porn or the free tv in general. it was about making somthing work that somone told us couldnt be done....hahaa.

there was a time when you had to send your dish card to someone to program it and your ird to get the keys ....and it wasnt cheap either! there was a time when an h loader....programer for you new kids... cost about 5000$usd. then the hu loader hell it was 15,000$ . i have purchased almost every piece of equiment that has come down the net for testing and i still will within reason and common sence! its testing , not free tv! i still have a box of devices and still right my own blockers for my rom3s and 10s.....learned that on the irc and reading the good fourms.....hell, i used to mod and post at some of the fourms . those days are gone now some of now prefer to register with a different nick at the fourms and only post now and then.......things arent like the used to be .....anyway.....ill buy one and if the damn thing works for a 2weeks or 2 months so what ill add it to my collection who knows it may stay working for a long time ........after all its testing .......want all the chanels and never lose them......then pay for em! should do that anyway cause without the charlies in the world we would be playin with big bud or ourselves.....lol

later

smilingjack

08-03-2005, 12:47 AM

CONGRADULATIONS CRAZY 1_79
YOU ARE THE 1OO TH PERSON TO SAY IT'S MAGICIAN

Well mili said it was not magician, so........
And there is no guarentee dish will not play tricks like that or any other tricks either. I am sure he will try anything and everything he can to keep us from our free TV.

Have you considered that if this guy makes enough money to live on and spends his time looking for another, better way to beat them he may finally hack N2 and we will have it all.

On the other hand if he does not make any money he will have to go to work at a real job like the rest of us and there may never be a N2 hack.

Give till it hurts support the cause !!!!

Yes crazy fish they are all free TV'ers now, and they forget the old days, of course back then it was all business men, the coders sold it to the dealers, the dealers sold it to the members and the members sold it to everyone the could, there were no forums then and no free TV'ers then just customers.

RoofleChicken

08-03-2005, 01:07 AM

Who freakin' cares if it is Magician that developed the A2 card? There are two primary questions to be answered here.

1) Will this thing work over the long haul like the testing devices we've used in the past?

2) Are the rules for support going to change in the middle of the game?

From where I sit I couldn't give a rat's ass if Magician developed this or not. I believe that it works and it appears to me that Mili has taken the necessary steps on the front side to avoid a repeat of the magic card fiasco. In that light I suggest we all give it a rest with regards to who made this little device and concentrate instead on what can be done with it.

winning_bet

08-03-2005, 01:17 AM

i wish you would BAN those GD flashing avatars . i bet i'm not the only 1 who finds them annoying as hell . takes concentration away from the posts.

smilingjack

08-03-2005, 01:51 AM

No body reads TB's posts anyway hehehe
Thsi gives people a excuse to breeze by them.
HEY TB, how about a red and bluse flash instead of that white, If I get time I will see if I can change the colors for you.

purplefrost

08-03-2005, 01:56 AM

i wish you would BAN those GD flashing avatars . i bet i'm not the only 1 who finds them annoying as hell . takes concentration away from the posts.

Just hit the stop button on your browser

smilingjack

08-03-2005, 01:59 AM

Who freakin' cares if it is Magician that developed the A2 card? There are two primary questions to be answered here.

1) Will this thing work over the long haul like the testing devices we've used in the past?

If it works at all, the legnth of time it works, as always, depends on how long charlie takes to get one, reverse engineer it and find a way to zap it. Although he can give magic card's some small problems once in a while he has never managed to kill them for good.

2) Are the rules for support going to change in the middle of the game?

The rules have already changed. it went from 90 days free to free as long as he wants to keep it free. remember 90 days free then $ 99 for 6 months has already been announced, I would not bet the farm that if charlie gets good at ECM ing them or something the $99 every 6 months will be back.

From where I sit I couldn't give a rat's ass if Magician developed this or not. I believe that it works and it appears to me that Mili has taken the necessary steps on the front side to avoid a repeat of the magic card fiasco. In that light I suggest we all give it a rest with regards to who made this little device and concentrate instead on what can be done with it.

If you look at the pic's of the card and the FAQ each card will have a individual number burned into the code, unlike magicians 1 number does 10,000 cards, this should keep the pirates at bay.

seaboard18

08-03-2005, 02:21 AM

If you look at the pic's of the card and the FAQ each card will have a individual number burned into the code, unlike magicians 1 number does 10,000 cards, this should keep the pirates at bay.

So far from what I know about this card Jack, I would say there is a 2% hack. That number may get larger in time. I suppose you will not change your signature to reflect this though.... :D

smilingjack

08-03-2005, 02:25 AM

You lost me there surfboard, my sig ?

This is not really a hack, it just has the ability to change a very small piece of information here and there that has been logged deciphered, understood and exploited for the blocker.

biggs

08-03-2005, 03:38 AM

Listen up guys these boards are blockers or interceptors that intercept the wipe command from the ird to the card.. if dish changes the way it sends down the wipes then this board can be updated to block it again. Its not a card hack, its not rocket science either. Damn guys use your brains. I agree with Mili, some of you cannot be satisfied.
Until a cards eeprom is dumped don't say they know this or that, the only thing known is what we have now. I think its a good alternative, if you use it a few months trouble free, it will pay for itself.

Markman

08-03-2005, 03:40 AM

i am worried about charlie in one way. if we don't dump the card.. i am just worried they got a dynamic code in their.

meaning .. they would be able to change commands to the cards dynamically at any time.

if this is true this could become a real pain.

maybe I think to much of charlie's security people. maybe they are not as knowledgeable or aggressive as i would have been if I was one of the programmers for this card.

smilingjack

08-03-2005, 03:42 AM

It's not charlies people I am worried about this is new to them too, it is the factory people who wrote N2 and understand how it works that I worry about.

Crazy1_79

08-03-2005, 04:34 AM

Yes SJ, I posted that before I read all of this read due to it's overwhelming response, over 10,000 views, haven't seen that since the HU died and the p4 bullshit area was opened. If Mili says it is not magician, then I believe him, but I stated it maybe magician in disguise, I probally will buy one SJ, I am not saying that. Just stating my opinion is all. The forum knows I support Mili and any merchandise he finds fit to sell. I suppose first I need to sub to dish and with all of this free tv still going on, I'll wait till after August cuz there are some great Mixed martial art ppvs on this month that I am hoping I get to enjoy with my ol faithful blue card. LOL. I don't mean to copy what everyone else is stating, I thought that the second I seen the email from Mili and checked into the website with the info on the A2 cards. But it is a start and I am definately thankful to whoever it is that pulled it off, He's made more progress on the N2 than they have on the P4/D1 cards that is for sure.

smilingjack

08-03-2005, 04:40 AM

I just could not help my self, I had to pull your leg a little, I knew you would take it well and you gave me a perfect opening.

Always nice to have a few good sports around and a laugh once in a while with all the doom and gloom and nay sayers that are around these days.

skinerd

08-03-2005, 05:32 AM

You Guys Are Nuts To Buy This Card It A Magic card That It Remember That Cirus

What else you gonna do????

Right now it's all that is available.......the coder is not doing this for your benefit, we all know there is serious money to be made, and if his card works, he deserves it.

Until something better rolls out, we have to go with what ever we got.

ROTTEN

08-03-2005, 05:42 AM

What else you gonna do????

Right now it's all that is available.......the coder is not doing this for your benefit, we all know there is serious money to be made, and if his card works, he deserves it.

Until something better rolls out, we have to go with what ever we got.well for that price I'll stick with my dishnet package for now
same price for 3 months sub :)

mruk69

08-03-2005, 06:40 AM

Here is a Who is for www.activator2.com
Hope this helps clarify if its Abraca.... sorry i meant the Magician.
Peace my friends.

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smilingjack

08-03-2005, 06:50 AM

Aand your point is ?

A phoney name and address of someone claiming to be in Canada going to Charlie Chan in Honk Kong, as if Charlie Chan is going to care about anything but the money order clearing the bank

check the information HAHAHA long as the money is good he no care chop chop

No one in his right mind is going to use a real name and address for this kind of site.......

New Number 1 enemy of our own Charlie and the state !

hehehe even magician wasen't that stupid.

For an extra $ 20 you can have these names blacked out to everyone, if they were real he would have paid the $ 20, course that don't work against a court order.

tbelisle

08-03-2005, 03:44 PM

So I see that some of you are getting seizures... ha ha ha, lifes a bitch!

On a different topic, I myself do not plan on getting it until it has been running for at least a month or two. Many reasons, but mostly because I am on Bev and if dish can't get thru it, well, we all know Bev can't touch it either.

I do fear that many peeps will not touch this card and there is a good chance they over shot the potential money comming from it.

vmod32

08-03-2005, 04:48 PM

seaboard18

08-03-2005, 06:58 PM

I would like to know more about how the patches would be applied to the N2 card. This is the most interesting part about this product/project IMO. How is he getting into the N2 card? What info can he write/read etc. Mili if you could provide any info on this subject I'm sure it would be very interesting.

Mili may give additional information like what you requested later. I think Mili said that he was not going to get into great detail about how this is done in his last couple of posts above. However you need to read Mili's posts to be sure of what he said.

I read this post,
http://www.dssftp.com/forum/t44366-...-programer.html,

a few months ago and did not agree that this concept would work, further testing has revealed that it does work. It is possible that the Activator 2 card was designed using strategies that are discussed in this thread and other threads related to nagra 2 testing. Although this is not an official explanation of how it works, it should serve as a guideline of how it works, unless Mili says otherwise, in my opinion.

mili

08-03-2005, 07:08 PM

Ok here you go. About the identity of my friend, please by all means theorize and get as wild as possible. That way he is still safe and Charlie is running down the wrong path.

The commands that will update the tier expiration and public keys will be sent to the Nagra 2 via an ISO programmer. People should remember that tiers don't expire for 60 days. At the present time every 5 days, Dish sends down an update packet that makes your tiers good for 5 more days. ( something we can log and post for people to apply)
The commands are encrypted, but we can still send them to the cards, no? For example, how does one determine the tier update command? Well, the tier date can be read off the card. It is unencrypted. Now, we just send each command that comes down, one by one, to a subbed card and then read off the tier date. If the tier date did not change, then that wasn't the command. If it did change, then voila, we got the command that updates the tier expiration. We will do this for 101, 102 and 103 cards and simply post the commands online. People can then use Win Explorer and an ISO to send those commands to their ex-subbed cards and keep them alive for 2 months.

For example, lets assume you start using the A2 card on Aug. 01, 2005. On this date, your card will have an expiration date of about 60 days till say Oct. 01, 2005. (The A2 card will display the actual expiration date on the info screen so testers will know when their cards expire). Now, in this example, the user can keep watching TV until about a week before Oct. 01, 2005. In the meantime, Dish will send down a new expiration update packet on Aug. 06, 2005, that carries the card till Oct. 6, 2005. They will send another packet down on Aug. 11, 2005 that will carry cards until Oct. 11, 2005 and so on.

Now, when using the A2, your Nagra 2 card will miss these updates intentionally. When Oct. 01, 2005 approaches, the user can check the forums for the latest tier update packet and apply it to the Nagra 2 card via an ISO programmer. This will carry the cards expiration 2 months into the future till about Dec. 01, 2005. People who don't want to use an ISO to update, can simply stream their Nagra 2 card for 30 seconds and they will get the update packet. The point of using the ISO method is to ensure your Nagra 2 card never gets cancelled. I estimate the odds of your card being cancelled while streaming for 30 seconds once every 2 months is about 1 in a 1000. Those are not very good odds (for being shut down) and people have nothing to worry about. The chance of being cancelled using an ISO is 0%. I expect novices to just stream their cards and expert testers to use the ISO method. Both will work. Performing a small update once every 2 months is a small price to pay for most testers, considering a lot of them were use to changing the keys twice a day back in the old AVR days of Nagra 1. This technology is brand new and people will just have to post their observations as we go along. So you see you will indeed write the update packets to the N2 cards direct with an ISO programmer or you can just use the receiver to do so (albeit at a slight risk of being shut down).

mili

tbelisle

08-03-2005, 07:17 PM

will you be selling a card/ISO programer combo package?

odlaw

08-03-2005, 08:08 PM

vmod32

08-03-2005, 08:22 PM

That’s what I thought was going on. Interesting work around, Also I bet your guy is right that it will talk Dish 5+ months to attack this method. Think about it, you think the people in their Signal Integrity department know much about N2. I'm willing to bet not, Nagravision is going to have to solve this problem. So dish will have to report it to them, then they will have to come up with a solution and then dish will have to test and then implement the solution. The testing part takes ALOT of time. Believe me, I work for a wireless phone company and it take months of testing before they update a phone model with even a minor software update. Messing it up is not an option and side effect may not be seen right away.
I really really really doubt that Nagravision gave anyone at Dish the information that would be needed to solve this problem. I bet they know less about N2 then we do. Why? Because they need to eliminate security leaks that could compromise the system. Think about how many providers use some form of N2, too many opportunities for a leak.

I would expect any attack against this exploit to take some time for them to deal with, but it WILL be dealt with at some point, and then we will ECCM (electric counter counter measure) them back. It will be cat and mouse, just like old times. It’s not a full hack, but it’s something.

Again, I could be wrong here and it could get wacked next week. Or again I could be right.

Mili, what would be good is if we could publicly know the methods uses to log the stream and find the correct commands to update our cards so we are less reliant on his updates. Updates to the Activator 2 board could still be covered by your guy but simple expiration updates would be a nice tool to have under our belts. I don’t mind paying for hardware, but being fully dependent on someone else for software makes me uneasy. Ideally IMO it should be like a how teirs are now, if you are lazy/new someone will post them for you, but for us real testers the more control we have the better. I know it’s far too early at this point, but its something for down the road.

tbelisle

08-03-2005, 08:29 PM

That is the one BIG reason I don't plan on buying this anytime soon. I learn my lesson and do not plan on relying on anybody to "feed" me the software.

Make your money selling you cards, keep the software open sourced. why the fuck do you think M1&2 was cracked by Polaris?

You would sell alot more if it was open source.

mili

08-03-2005, 08:41 PM

HCCAfan

08-03-2005, 08:46 PM

Help, I am confused.
1. If we can just add the new tier date commands via an iso programmer, why do we need with the activator2 card.
2. If we were to subscribe and then desubscribe with just a normal yellow card how long does it stay up? Until the tier dates expire or do they send a command to reset the tier dates or data?
Thanks

i think the answer to #1 is that the activator acts as a blocker/filter so to say, to allow the good stuff but to stop the bad stuff. so without it, your card is a target.
the activator acts as a passthru, and if my thinking is right, they are sending a similar command to it to pass thru information to the card as if it were stream updated to renew your tiers, in other words imitating the stream update.

now if that truly is the case, i would like to see if they can actually log a stream update to the card to start new service, and mimick that with the activator2, so we can bypass the whole "call charlie and activate a sub" deal. i am guessing that some of the stuff coming down the stream to do this is undecryptable which is why we just cant do that now with the activator, however it would be nice to do. there would only be a few changing factors from card/ird setups for new subs, since all cards and ird's are not the same. something to think about where all this might be heading......

jubaitca

08-03-2005, 08:50 PM

hey mili....when are you gonna sell them, i thought ur supposed to be getting a shipment today or something...if we can buy plz tell me how.

thekid

08-03-2005, 09:18 PM

Will I be able to use my same ISO programer I used for N1 cards or will I need a new one?

thekid

08-03-2005, 09:28 PM

Every one that wants to wait a while to see if everything is perfect may find a long backorder. Mili's first order was 200 and this site has what about 20,000 members. Sign me up I'll take the first one even if it didnt work long I have spent a lot more than $99 on a lot less hope.

tbelisle

08-03-2005, 09:38 PM

It is your money!

vmod32

08-03-2005, 09:38 PM

the same one according to the FAQ

BiggerBear

08-03-2005, 09:47 PM

I think Dishnet will be one of the first to Buy it.
Does anyone actually think they can call to add programming and then call back and downgrade or cancel???If you downgrade are you saving the $33 a month anyway(maybe),but not worth the hassle(my opinion)
If you already subscribe and buy this and then cancel your subscription - WOOPS what if you have problems with the Activator 2 ???????

08-03-2005, 10:16 PM

It is not up to me nor you how this guy is marketing his brain child. If you had a monopoly you worked hard on I doubt you'd just give it away or would you?
Anyway I will ask about the logger thing and may make/sell them if he lets me know.

mili

You can log the stream with most emulators. (I'm a pretty big fan of the internal max/mel board) You can do it with Yvous and Cemu both. Plan on the log taking up about 15Mb/day of logging. Just have to set the software to do it is all. With Yvous you can read the commands on your screen in real time even without using the log option. Not much to logging the commands really. It's understanding and decyphering what all that jibberish means that's the hard part.

bobcat2001

08-03-2005, 11:40 PM

Well,

It certainly is a step in the right direction. It looks a lot like the old No 745 Wafer board for DTV (Probably the same H/W). It did a similar thing by preventing tier wipes and ZKT checks for bin validity.

Anyway, the real power of such a board will come when and if the code can be modified to add Tiers and hopefully PPV channel Authorization. It is already blocking several of the de-activate and tier wipe CMD's, so with a little source code modification and perhaps a bit more EEPROM memory (I have no idea what is on the card, so please bear with me as I theorize) channel authorization CMD's could be blocked to the card and re-routed to external EEPROM memory containing Tiers and PPV string.

Realistically, without this, the card is of little use. As soon as the channel Tiers change (and they do periodically), the card will not update and you will start losing blocks of channels. Without the ability to add the new Tiers, which should be on the Activator Board since we cannot write to the N2 Card, then the board is destined to become an icescraper.

On the bright side, however, AVR boards were doing this for years, so modifying the source code on the N2 board should be very similar. It should also be possible to modify a standard AVR board blocker code to work with N2. AVR studio is freeware out there. Wish I still had one to play with.

My 2 Cents,

Bobcat

vmod32

08-04-2005, 12:15 AM

Nagra1

08-04-2005, 12:46 AM

You missed the part where we can update our N2 card with new teirs via ISO loader. How long that will work for is a differnt question...

I missed that part also, if we could write to a N2 card then there would be no need for a Activator2 card....

vmod32

08-04-2005, 02:04 AM

Nagra1 it would pay more if you read ALL of the thread....

vmod32

08-04-2005, 02:13 AM

they're already doing account audits over suspected sub-sharing...think about that before you even think this thing has a chance...lol

Well this is differnt... It's not uncommon for a new account to start out with the premium channels as there are promotions and such. Then downgrade a month or two later when the promotion ended.

Calling and upgrading and call the next day to downgrade would be shady. But to each his own, if you can't take the heat get out of the fire

smilingjack

08-04-2005, 02:35 AM

Apparently you CAN write those portions that have been identified and located, that is the only way he can update the cards.

Now if someone could log seperate and figure out a FULL package load it up and use the A2 to keep it going ............without buying a sub and canceling.that would be even better, I will suggest it.

kevkwas

08-04-2005, 03:25 AM

Will the Guide update or is it blocked to.

HCCAfan

08-04-2005, 03:33 AM

thats a good question kevkwas.......

smilingjack

08-04-2005, 03:41 AM

It was never mentioned but it was a good question I wil try to find a answer, until then assume it will update.

dbssteve

08-04-2005, 05:36 AM

if you can't use common sense get a tutor...lol

get tired of being negitive on your site?

bobcat2001

08-04-2005, 05:46 AM

Vmod,

So are you saying that Tiers can be updated on the Activator Board? I understood that this was a blocker board only, and no Tiers were actually on the activator board. If the Tiers are on the Activator Board, then all Tiers and PPV can be added... with or without a subscription. Vmod is this true or a typo?

Bobcat

#40Fan

08-04-2005, 05:58 AM

Tiers, PPV, Keys....they are all on the Nagra 2 card.

dbssteve

08-04-2005, 06:10 AM

this all souds like a good start, and $100 is not a bad investment (most of you have made way more then this off your friends and realitives, not to metion free service you have received for years) and i would like to purchase one, but i think i will wait until the hard and sortware are cloned and it is freeware (hopefully) and i run out of what is left

#40Fan

08-04-2005, 06:26 AM

All I have to say is at least it isn't like the old days. After a card swap, when something came out that really worked, $100 wouldn't buy you a picture of the item.

HCCAfan

08-04-2005, 06:33 AM

All I have to say is at least it isn't like the old days. After a card swap, when something came out that really worked, $100 wouldn't buy you a picture of the item.
aint that the truth!! shoot, i remember back when you could only go thru a local dealer and had to buy the computer to do the emulating and the discs and all stuff thru him, and you wouldnt get to see any of it till you showed him your cash.....

smilingjack

08-04-2005, 06:33 AM

Like that bootstrap 100 bucks and it was only used a week or two, I got mine hanging on the wall where it's been since two weeks after I got it.

HCCAfan

08-04-2005, 06:47 AM

Like that bootstrap 100 bucks and it was only used a week or two, I got mine hanging on the wall where it's been since two weeks after I got it.
lol, makes me wonder what i ever done with them discs, lol. got a old 266mhz puter and keyboard with all this junk for about 500, and when you got hashed, you put in the other disc, and hit like f8 or some crap, lol. no monitor either :( those were the days.........

bobcat2001

08-04-2005, 07:32 AM

LOL,

I do have to say it is an expensive hobby for "free tv". I have bought tons of junk over the years myself. Kicking myself now for throwing out a bunch last spring. I had a couple of AVR boards, Wafer bootloaders, no 745 board, tons of H, HU cards, etc.

I almost threw out my hu loaders. Lucky i didn't cos they became valuable for rom cards as of late. Oh well, at least i haven't been blowing money on video rentals which is how i used to justify it with the better half.

Looks like we are in for a few interesting months for sure.

Bobcat

beno

08-04-2005, 07:45 AM

smilingjack

08-04-2005, 07:48 AM

Maybe Dave did to bug charlie, there has always been a roumor that Dave leaked the hole in N1 to get rid of the hackers, he dosen't want them back going at him again.

seaboard18

08-04-2005, 09:00 AM

Maybe Dave did to bug charlie, there has always been a roumor that Dave leaked the hole in N1 to get rid of the hackers, he dosen't want them back going at him again.

This is a family forum seaboard, don't get too carried away.
I wish you a nice hangover.

smilingjack

08-04-2005, 09:03 AM

I hope you wife got after you with the frying pan, you stayed out too late tonight and missesd all the fun here.

She is not going to let you go to the big city anymore if you keep this up.

seaboard18

08-04-2005, 09:37 AM

Mili needs to get cracken on those Activator Cards, looks as if we lost 9 more channels tonight.
305,307,309,321,327,328,330 and 340. I was watching 302 for a few minutes and thought it was going!

I did not miss much, I caught up in 36.678 minutes. Some of those posts are unbelievable. That's it for me, I am worn out now.

pawnshop

08-04-2005, 06:22 PM

Boot straps, now that brings up bad memories. Cost me a lot of jack. Dave nailed my ass for buying those. Still have them hanging around to remind me of the old days.

dbssteve

08-04-2005, 06:45 PM

Just a thought. What if Charlie is in on this from the git go. He would make the $99 for the sub upgrade and get a piece of the action on the cards too. Maybe charlie designed the activator 2 himself. Hummm, makes a body wonder.
I have thought dave and charlie have been in on the game for a while, dave cashed in on those boot straps, i remember him doing a second black sunday ecm on the h cards like 3 weeks before they were done. must of had a few left to sell

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 01:11 AM

Vmod you are starting to sound like waffer2004 when he first appeared what's the chip, what's the program. I want to make it freeware.

The same old programmer.
The A2 will be on sale as soon as they are recieved from the manufacturer.
They are supposed to arrive any minute now.

You can not update your own yellow card without the blocker since "bad" stuff comes down all the time, it would spend all it's time in your programmer and none in your IRD.
The blocker blocks most of the bad stuff that would get you but is not necessary for the card to keep working.

dbssteve

08-05-2005, 02:14 AM

i see you guys are on the ball and deleted ROTTEN'S sarcastic posts
he should go back to his player hating site
thanks

08-05-2005, 02:17 AM

i see you guys are on the ball and deleted ROTTEN'S sarcastic posts
he should go back to his player hating site
thanks

That would be my doing. He's welcome to hang around, but until he starts making some sort of positive contribution his posts will remain subject to edit and deletion. :)

ROTTEN

08-05-2005, 02:47 AM

That would be my doing. He's welcome to hang around, but until he starts making some sort of positive contribution his posts will remain subject to edit and deletion. :)
so it's okay for this b00b to post nonsense but it's not okay for me to post the truth??
if you think this activator is gonna work you might as well just cancel your subs now and save charlie the hassle of suspending them...lol
and JT delete away cause the truth is out there on the countless sites I admin/mod at as well as all the rest I'm just a regular member of

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 02:59 AM

Well there are bOOb's and there are BooB's

Nonsense it one thing bad manners, language and flaming are another, this is a family site please try to be nice as a admin/mod/hatchet man on another site you should know better, maybe he does not.

Whether it works or not and how good it does remains to be seen and only time will tell.

I think JT was being nice to you, If necessary, I won't be so nice, I am the hatchet man here , your counterpart so to speak.

Please try to be nice here.

play nice children or take a vacation.

ROTTEN

08-05-2005, 03:04 AM

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 03:06 AM

He will get a vacation if he continues, you just got a little more carried away than he did.
We don't allow flaming here either. We try to keep it friendly here, you know how it is I go to your sites too.

#40Fan

08-05-2005, 03:17 AM

Boot straps, now that brings up bad memories. Cost me a lot of jack. Dave nailed my ass for buying those. Still have them hanging around to remind me of the old days.

O.J. Simpson, is that you? :D

nart78

08-05-2005, 03:36 AM

I know you guys already said it won't work with IRD's with no card. I have the new one with HDTV and PVR. It doesn't have a smart card, but has a slot for it. As far as I know the card is built in. But is it possible that the slot can be used with the A2 card?

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 03:39 AM

NO, the card was replaced by a internal chip.
The card reader was removed from the boards which are old boards.
The cases with the slots are old too so they still have the slot "to nowhere"

seaboard18

08-05-2005, 04:08 AM

She is not going to let you go to the big city anymore if you keep this up.

Unfortunately Jack, I can never leave the house again after what happened today. Thanks to Rotten...

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 04:10 AM

hehehe, good thing you had fun on your last night out then

dbssteve

08-05-2005, 04:14 AM

no problem SJ
dbssteve is just sore cause he got put in the "new" reading club at another site and is not allowed to flame away so he feels the need to do it here
I'll be the nice guy as usual and leave and let you have fun with him which isn't much fun at all
I am sorry if the comments i made are cosidered to be flaming, i thouht i was just stating the obvious.
i am not calling anyone names and am not sore
before you accuse me take a look at yourself.....e.mc.daniel/eric clapton
sorry for the nonsense i post, i nlike to b.s. as much as the next guy
also sorry for getting off course in this thread, i am done
i guess i am just a sorry mf

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 04:18 AM

Even the 'truth' could be considered flaming when viewed by people that do not know the whole story.

It' like coming in to a theater in the middle of the movie.

I am glad you two are finished, thank you, Sj

dbssteve

08-05-2005, 05:50 AM

I am still done

bullpupg2

08-05-2005, 06:43 AM

How do you sub all porn on Dish?
i just see PPV porn and how would that work with the A2?

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 06:48 AM

You can get most everything by the month except specials like Boxing Matches.

IF YOU CAN SUB YOU CAN KEEP IT. IF NOT YOU CAN'T

Check out the dish website for specifics and prices.

I think the everything package is a little much for most people here so pick out a package with everything you will want / like, then go back to a min sub but not right away wait a month so they don't get suspisious.

brjak

08-05-2005, 06:52 AM

PPV does not work with the A2............not sure about porn,

bullpupg2

08-05-2005, 07:02 AM

All i see on the Dish site is 3 hour blocks of porn...
no 1 month or anything like that, just blocks of hours...
anyone see anything different?

Nagra1

08-05-2005, 07:29 AM

Sure you can get Porn by the month....It costs from $15 for playboy, to like $40 for Xtsy....depending on where you live you may only have the xx channels as a option,,,,495,494,493 they are $23/month each.....

bullpupg2

08-05-2005, 07:37 AM

do you have to call dish for that?

Nagra1

08-05-2005, 07:48 AM

It in the FAQ

We currently offer 5 channels; Playboy (497), Hot Zone (493), EClips (494), TeN (495) and Extasy (496).

Playboy TV offers sophisticated entertainment targeted to adults 24-hours a day; including made for TV original movies, specials, live erotic call-in shows and a variety of unparalleled new series. In the tradition of its 40 year old internationally recognized brand, Playboy TV stands for quality, tasteful, fun adult entertainment. Playboy is traditionally edited and is available for $14.99 per month or as a 4 hour pay-per-view block for $7.99. Playboy is not available as an annual subscription.

Hot Zone offers weekly premiers, original series, top stars and a wide variety of ethnic features. Fresh and unique with content provided by the top studios in the industry, Hot Zone offers something for everyone. Hot Zone is traditionally edited and is only available for pay-per-view as a 90 minute block for $9.99.

Erotic Television Clips (EClips) offers a different feature shown on in thematic blocks every 90 minutes to appeal to viewers with a wide variety of special interests. Programming is offered in the REVEEL editing standard; eight hot scenes, eight different movies, one erotic theme. EClips is partially edited and is available for $22.99 per month or as a 90 minute pay-per-view block for $9.99. EClips is available annually for $252.89.

The Erotic Network (TeN) offers an alternative to traditional adult entertainment programming, delivering a wide variety of feature films, videos and original programming. TeN offers the hottest stars, fewest repeats and features behind the scenes programming. TeN is partially edited and is available for $22.99 per month or as a 90 minute pay-per-view block for $9.99. TeN is available annually for $252.89.

Extasy is a 24 hour unedited adult entertainment channel. Programming consists of 60+ movie titles per month from 25 studios (6 of which are exclusive), behind the scenes programs, movie previews and specials. Extasy is $27.99 per month (where available) and as a 90 minutes pay-per-view block for $10.99. Extasy is available annually for $307.89.

We have a package that combines TeN and Extasy together for a discounted price of $37.99 per month or $417.89 annually.

We also offer Private Fantasy. Original, premium-quality films, series, interviews and special features that cater exclusively to adults. Private utilizes its archive, the largest library of high quality adult content in the world, and ongoing production to provide content for the channel. Programming consists of 100 movie titles per month from Private, the leader in adult entertainment. This is $10.99 for a 90 minute programming period. It is also available in the Adult Showcase.

The Adult Showcase allows you to have access to five adult channels in 3 hour blocks. These channels include: Hot Zone, TenClips, Ten, TenExtasy. Adult Showcase is $14.99 per block and the blocks are: 6 a.m. - 9a.m., 9 a.m. - 12 p.m., 12p.m. to 3 p.m., 3 p.m. - 6 p.m., 6p.m. - 9 p.m., 9 p.m. - 12 a.m., and 3 a.m. - 6 a.m. (These times are eastern time) When you order a block, you will only receive the rest of the time block you are in.

To order, change or remove your monthly adult subscription, please call 1-800-333-3474

smilingjack

08-05-2005, 08:09 AM

Thanks Nagra1

I made that a sticky so everyone can see it.

Foggman

08-05-2005, 09:11 AM

If those people who have doubt would spend more time reading about
the Activator2, they would know what the difference between it and the
Magic card was. Hat's off to you Mili and all the man hours you spend to
keep us going.

[ IF YOU DON'T WANNA LEARN SOMETHING LEAVE NOW ]

biggs

08-06-2005, 03:06 AM

"...............without buying a sub and canceling.that would be even better, I will suggest it."

You cannot do this, one must have had or have the card subbed because the special activation key is implanted on the card. Now, they maybe able to up the tiers on the card and block them, but not activate a virgin card. We need a good dump/read to get that info. I don't think that has happend just yet.

:)

spanga

08-06-2005, 03:56 AM

a logical strategy at this point would be to delay (or resent) the release a real hack until the laundry is dry on this a2 thing....with the apparent finger on the pulse of the testing research that the players have regarding n2, i'm curious as how the business end is going to play into this whole scenario.....i do remember reading mili stating that he will never allow an n2 hack to be sold (and knowing full well he meant that if he gets privy to it)...my point is that hopefully the timeline for a real hack is not affected by the introduction of a2....could be happening as we speak....i know that sounds cynical, but that's the result of my defense mechanism that has been activated by all the scammers that have been popping up lately that can email me....still haven't figured out how they can do that....lol

smilingjack

08-06-2005, 04:09 AM

1. If you can find a place where mili said this please post a link. I never heard it.

2. The A2 will not deter anyone from trying for a full hack, it is just a first break through that may well lead to a full hack.

2. All the places you visit or buy from keep logs and sell them to other places.

spanga

08-06-2005, 06:06 AM

no offense intended to the players in a2, which will probably become an expanding group....my sincere apologies to mili if he never made that promise in his site, but boy, i'm pretty sure he did....i'll peck away at the 500 posts available for viewing and maybe i'll stumble across it....frigg some of his posts display clearly his emperor status and are hilarious to boot....good reading....not a big deal anyways.....for sure research will not come to a halt on n2, my curiousity involves how the business aspect will play out as more and more progress is made....it'll be a while until we get back to the wide open sharing that n1 evolved into....its like a big reset button for dealers (not to mention fraught with danger)....sj-->not sure what you meant by #3...respect.....i'm a little chickenshit about the whole having to talk to the provider to reduce my sub as my wife will kick my ass if a2 goes down when i'm away working...trust me she can do it on the phone...lol.....it sounds like i can expand my sub to include some of the major dollar channels (read porn) on the receiver i take with me and cancel later.....can anyone tell me if when you order these packages/channels will they automatically be authorized for all subbed receivers and i can keep them alive for only the one receiver using the a2 after i cancel only those....kinda makes sense eh?....my other receivers won't get touched no matter what?

smilingjack

08-06-2005, 06:23 AM

my curiousity involves how the business aspect will play out as more and more progress is made....it'll be a while until we get back to the wide open sharing that n1 evolved into....its like a big reset button for dealers (not to mention fraught with danger)....

The normal progress is that dealers will program cards.......then dealers will sell programs to program cards........then someone will release a freeware version

According to the people that know, this may not be possible with N2.
I have no idea what will happen and neither does anyone else right now.

sj-->not sure what you meant by #3...

A lot of places have spyware and stuff they find where you go and make up lists of places you go then sell them. Yahoo sends me ads about dish & DTV & cable companies because a lot of words in my e-mails contain referances to TV, they say they do not sell or share but it it possible.

A lot of TV / dss sites have spyware and even internal bugs that trap your e-mail address and send advertisements too. (Not here mili is careful)

i'm a little chickenshit about the whole having to talk to the provider to reduce my sub as my wife will kick my ass if a2 goes down when i'm away working...trust me she can do it on the phone...lol.....it sounds like i can expand my sub to include some of the major dollar channels (read porn) on the receiver i take with me and cancel later.....can anyone tell me if when you order these packages/channels will they automatically be authorized for all subbed receivers and i can keep them alive for only the one receiver using the a2 after i cancel only those....kinda makes sense eh?....my other receivers won't get touched no matter what?

It is safer to increas than after a month or two reduce your existing sub, a lot of people order a lot more than their budget can stand, or maybe they don't like the extra channels or don't think they are worth the extra money.

The channels are only blocked on the ones with the A2 in them, when you cancel they send down a cancel order NO A2 -- NO BLOCK and the channels are erased on the IRD's without the A2 in them

08-06-2005, 06:51 AM

I'm pretty sure you can change your programming package online can't you? So to add more sub channels and then deactivate them, you should be able to do it all without ever talking to a dish representative.

spanga

08-06-2005, 07:18 AM

good info guys and thanx...not sure how it is with dish but bev will let you expand on line but you have to phone to reduce or cancel....i guess this is to let them take a whack at talking you out of it...aw what the heck i'll order one of those new fangled doodads for no other reason than to be one of the guys that tried em out....feeling better knowing that my sub will be safe and a guy can just bonus out on the high ticket items for as long as it's all good....too bad nfl sunday ticket is a one way street.....

mondoguitar

08-06-2005, 09:18 AM

THERE IS NO N2 CLONE

Are you SURE about that... and not just trying to hype this money making project which is going on the site?

Flame me, but I believe you are incorrect with the above statement and obviously there have been other groups working on N2 besides the 'activator2' group. I can guarantee that.

I would advise people to hold their money for now, especially when most of N1 is still up :s What extra stuff are you getting besides maybe some adults and a few movie channels right now? Ban me if you like, I know mili has been hard on anybody even talking about even the possibility of cloned cards being out there.

HCCAfan

08-06-2005, 12:02 PM

question.
today is saturday and still no-show on the act2 cards? what gives? just curious.....

jjames

08-06-2005, 05:12 PM

I have read most ALL post on the new Activator, I understand about PPV, but what about all the local open channels? Will I be able to get all the locals I still am getting, or just as I think what I read, just what I had subscribed to? So I wont get the networks from other cities?

smilingjack

08-06-2005, 07:14 PM

Are you SURE about that... and not just trying to hype this money making project which is going on the site?

Flame me, but I believe you are incorrect with the above statement and obviously there have been other groups working on N2 besides the 'activator2' group. I can guarantee that.

I would advise people to hold their money for now, especially when most of N1 is still up :s What extra stuff are you getting besides maybe some adults and a few movie channels right now? Ban me if you like, I know mili has been hard on anybody even talking about even the possibility of cloned cards being out there.

There are hundreds of people working on a N2 hack.
According to the best sources it has not been accomplished yet.
Card coders just siad it is impossible, their statement is posted elsewhere here.

Even the alleged clone has not been proved to be more than a sub as of this time. Satscams has tried to verify both without sucess as well, all meetings are canceled or put off forever, they just don't show up.

If it was out there someone would be selling it to dealers, not at swap meets and spam e-mails.