Charlies 'PIRATE' offer gone ?

[smilingjack]

I have just got some information from a reliable member that charlie may no longer honoring the 'pirate' amnesty offer.

From what he said it looks like Charlie heard about the Activator2, has realized he has been beat and has no cure for it and wants to limit new subs after all.

There is major problems subscribing to dish now. Don't believe what is said on the Pirate Channels, it's not true. It took me four hours today to finally get a sub. Make sure that you advise people that have yellow cards that they came by when they bought the IRD, not to try to sub them. The draw back is if those cards have been subscribed and money is still owed on the account, that IRD will not get subscribed without paying the money owed to dish. They tell you that if you want a subscription you have to take the new install package. They refuse to send a new card for that IRD. This also applies to ANY IRD that does not have a card as well. I tried it both ways.

They ask:

1) Your Name, Address and S.S. Number.
2) How much did you pay for the IRD.
3) Where did you get the IRD.
4) If you agree to pay the bill, they may sub it for you.
5) No Card, No Sub. End of story! Well what should I do with the IRD? Take it back, give it away, see if you can get your money back, in general, Fuck You!

I talked to several different people Jack, none except one was friendly. Once you give them your personal information, you are stuck, its best to subscribe anyway you can. You have to play dumb, such as telling them all you want to do is watch TV and after two hours, tell them you will get cable or sub. to DTV. The DTV part gets their attention but not enough to change their mind about what I wrote above. Once they are satisfied, they turn you on in under five seconds.


I think this is a mistake on charlies part.
It will only make people work harder to hack him without a sub.
Deny everything---Admit nothing.
You got it on E-Bay or at a Pawn Shop and it does not have a card.
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[smilingjack]

Please post recent (this week) your experiance with trying to sub with dish.
Last week there was no problem this is the first time someone has reported a problem.

[smilingjack]

Posted elsewhere by a member

I know SJ made a sticky on this very subject but i thought some might want to know . It has always been echos postion on new subs that the "accesscards" account must be either previously "unsububscribed" or the account for that card must be currently "paid in full , with account in good standing". They will not subb irds without cards or cards whos acounts where suspended or canceled with a balance due, untill that balance is paid. So unless you want to pay somones bill.....not very smart as most that are shut off are in the 100$s i would not buy any at the flea markets or e-bay as you may get a card that has a big ass bill owed on it.

I have been testing dish since the beggining and this has always been there position...unlike dave who willl send you a new card for an old box charlie will not!


just shop wise buy a new system...as there are still some out there as well as some virgin cards with them......... as always .......its buyer be ware.

later

[smilingjack]

Then I wonder whay he is saying that he will let pirates sub with their existing equipment, he knows that pirates either have "questionable" cards or no cards at all.

[crazyfish12]

I would bet there keeping track of who calls and subscribes thru the program.....just a guesss. If i were going to subb i would have , like i said a virgin card {never subed} or tampered with or a new system. I would call dishnetworks regular service number and ask to subscribe .......if they ask about card and ird tell them its from e-bay , yard sale etc. As long as the card is new , and , or theres no balance owed they should set you up no problem.

[Doh!!]

This may be a stupid question, but what is the advantage to subbing with your old equipment anyway? Why not just call and tell them you are a new sub and take advantage of some of their new sub equiptment offers?

And while we are on that subject, I have been checking both DTV and Dish new sub offers and I am thinking that DTV may be the better package. Anyone else have any opinions?

[smilingjack]

The new IRD's are cardless, be Ok if you can extract the IRD# and Box Keys and use your old one with the A2.

I am not sure which ones you can extract the info from

[crazyfish12]

Theres still some at the small dealers . AS for the better deal.....nfl prime tivket as well as better selection of ppv.....i would go dtv. As for porn and priceing the smaller packages...dish.

[HCCAfan]

Theres still some at the small dealers . AS for the better deal.....nfl prime tivket as well as better selection of ppv.....i would go dtv. As for porn and priceing the smaller packages...dish.
call me stupid, but i am not seeing your point in bringing up subbing to dtv in this thread since the main concern is with the a2 card.

[crazyfish12]

read up....duh was wondering about which might be the better package, and asked for an opinion.

[HCCAfan]

good point, i missed that part, just curious how a dtv question got into the a2 section, lol.
btw, i'll brb, i am gonna go ask a n2 question in the xm forum ;)

[maddawg313]

Reason why most of my irds where purchased from ex-subs.

[Grinlock]

If you don't currently have a yellow card, could you buy one from Mili's store and use that?

[smilingjack]

If you don't have a card, you don't have a sub, when you sub they will send you one.

[glicksty]

hey all,


this part about getting a yellow card is not very clear...

can we have a clear answer on the path people should take in getting there existing equipment activated.

I have never been sub'ed.. i bought a 501, and a bunch of 301's off the internet, along with dishes and some cable from radioshake and hooked everything up myself.... some of my recievers came with yellow cards. some with blue cards and couple with no cards. at all.

now i don't know if some of these yellow cards are virgins or are married and definitly don't know what card goes to what recievers.

my questions are.

1.
when you call charlie can you just give them your reciever number and any old card number and ask it be activated as long as your willing to pay the balance.
Or does the card and reciever have to be the orginal ones that were together when purchased. (this is assuming the reciever and card have a previous balance.)?=married???


2.
If the card is virgin, say you purchase it from e-bay.. will you have any problems calling charlie and asking that card be activated with your reciever. or again does the card need to be the one that came with your reciever?

3.
if your reciever never came with a card or an old blue card. can you call charlie and ask for a yellow card to be sent for your reciever.


I believe I know the answers to all these questions but there is alot of contraditions between posts on what can and can't be done. a sticky on how to get your old equipment sub'ed with the least amount of hassle would be of help. expecally going forward with this act2 card. .


thanks...

[Nagra1]

hey all,


this part about getting a yellow card is not very clear...

can we have a clear answer on the path people should take in getting there existing equipment activated.

I have never been sub'ed.. i bought a 501, and a bunch of 301's off the internet, along with dishes and some cable from radioshake and hooked everything up myself.... some of my recievers came with yellow cards. some with blue cards and couple with no cards. at all.

now i don't know if some of these yellow cards are virgins or are married and definitly don't know what card goes to what recievers.

my questions are.

1.
when you call charlie can you just give them your reciever number and any old card number and ask it be activated as long as your willing to pay the balance.
Or does the card and reciever have to be the orginal ones that were together when purchased. (this is assuming the reciever and card have a previous balance.)?=married???


2.
If the card is virgin, say you purchase it from e-bay.. will you have any problems calling charlie and asking that card be activated with your reciever. or again does the card need to be the one that came with your reciever?

3.
if your reciever never came with a card or an old blue card. can you call charlie and ask for a yellow card to be sent for your reciever.


I believe I know the answers to all these questions but there is alot of contraditions between posts on what can and can't be done. a sticky on how to get your old equipment sub'ed with the least amount of hassle would be of help. expecally going forward with this act2 card. .


thanks...

It would be best if you can match the receivers up with the cards, all you do is stick cards in the slot until the receiver re-boots....

1. Tell Charlie you have your own equipment and you would like to check to see if you can get it activated....

2. If the receiver has a yellow card them give them the S00xxxxxxx.....If it has a Blue card then give them the S00xxxxxx off the blue card....

3. Either you can or you can't activate the receivers, because they are still assigned to the original owner. Either because a balance is owed, or a purchase commitment is not complete. Charlie will tell you if you can activate the receivers....If he says no, then you will need to ask him why you can't....

4. Don't say stuff like, I bought receivers off Ebay unless Charlie asks where you got the receivers. Don't ask for Yellow cards, let Charlie tell you your blue cards will not work....

5. Look at the promo packages available and decide what you want before you call, and what is the best deal for you. HBO and Showtime are free for 3 months if you order them both....

6. You will pay a month in advance, so what ever you sub to it will be times 2 the first month....If you sub, then cancel your sub, then sub again, there is a re-activation fee to re-sub, and no promo deals the second time around.

[smilingjack]

Good answer, that's what we were looking for

[billko]

I'm still unclear about question 3: What to do if receiver has no card? I'd like to sub my 501 (bought new w/o card) and avoid paying the DVR fee, if possible.

smilingjack earlier post says no new card for old box. But later he says when you sub they will send you one.

[Nagra1]

If you don't have a card for the 501 then tell them that...

[billko]

Thanks Nagra1. So you disagree with smilingjack's statement that "No Card, No Sub. End of story" and that "unlike dave who willl send you a new card for an old box charlie will not"? And if these statements are true, is there any solution, such as buying a virgin card? I have a couple of old blue cards, any way to find out what's the balance?

[Nagra1]

The first step is to see if the receivers can be activated, you need to call charlie.....Most can, receivers that are still assigned to the original owner and have balances owed on them can't....

Charlie will tell you if you can activate them, if you don't have a card for a receiver then tell them, they will supply you a card if the receiver can be subbed....

When you find the status of the receivers, then explore your options...charlie will answer your questions, if there is anyway he can get your monthly check, he will.....

You can tell if a balance is owed on the card if you have the receiver the card is married to, but you still don't know if the balance has beed paid...and the receiver can be subbed....

It is the receiver that is the determining factor to whether or not the receiver can be activated, not the card....

You can call charlie, ask them to check to see if a receiver can be activated, before you Sub....so you know your options....

[Hasselholf]

Do I need to erase the tsop or anything before I call and sub? Can I just pop my magic card out put in my expired rom 3 card and call. The balance info is on the card married to the reciever not in the reciever's memory correct?

[JT]

Do I need to erase the tsop or anything before I call and sub? Can I just pop my magic card out put in my expired rom 3 card and call. The balance info is on the card married to the reciever not in the reciever's memory correct?

Correct. So if the balance you owe is on that rom3, and you plug in the phone line, you can expect a bill. Given it's a rom3 though, you should be able to make it read what ever you want them to see.

[qrubim]

Ok I just added a sub for my IRD that I was using for testing and the steps were.

------ Drumbeat ------

Wait a sec.
Before I start here is the background info on the account. The account has been up for many years with basic channels and a few international channels; the account has always had a good positive history of payments “no late payments”.
Also this account has had more IRDs before which came in very handy later on.
The IRD is a DVR 50*. Software in it is P308 I believe. I’m using a MC2 (please someone hunt and r8pe the magician for what he has done to us) The IRD came from EBay and never had a card.

First I called the 800 number 1800-333-DISH (3474)
Talked to some guy about activating a new box first he tried doing it then realized that I had no card so then he gave me another number to call.
1866-606-3584 some automated card activation crap.

So since it was automated I went ahead and pressed 0 for the operator.
Second person picked up and tried to help but since the IRD had never been activated I and it came with no card I was transferred to another tech.
This tech checked the IRD and said it had no balance (thank god).
Now he says that he can not add the box (IRD) because it had never been activated “no card again” so I say “I have a good account for many years and YOU even mentioned that the box (IRD) has no balance so what is the problem?” So then he transfers me to yet another person a higher level tech I would guess; now this guy is giving it a try. At first he could not do the change because the IRD never had a smartcard so eventually he realizes that I was trying to add a box to an existing account.
So he asked if I could find one of the old smartcards that I had and give him the S00 number. So after I give him the number he was able to change everything and my new N2 yellow pain in the ass will be at my door steps in 7 days “I guess with a nice fat $49 charge”.
Mission accomplished or so I hope.

I’ll give an update when and if the card comes in.
And BTW the blue card “N1” has been activated and is already working.

[zx80]

The fact you bought a new yellow card *from them*, doesn't mean they will activate it. I've been in that situation a long while ago. I ended up cancelling service with them, because they were so greedy, and all I wanted to do was to add another receiver to the account. I don't have tv at this time and I'm happy.

[reaven]

so another question i have a 510 , you know you have to downgrade the HD to 80gigs to converted to 508 and am using mc2 i know the receiver IRD have no balanced cause when i bought it form ebay i sub then later when i get the mc2 i cancel the IRD that was a year ago so if i now want to sub that ird i just

1. get out the mc2
2. turn off the lock ar105c
3. put on again the old yellow card
4. call charlie

i dont have to married again the ird with the 120gigs HD or put back the backup old firmware and all that shit????

[qrubim]

Zx80 I think my problem is fixed because even the blue card is already active so the IRD and account is already active so I don’t see any reasons for me to have any problems.

Reaven I would put things back to the way they were and re stream the IRD just incase but my experience showed nothing that even hints that you will have a problem. Furthermore you will have an extra 40GB for recording. But no more MC2

[reaven]

so i cant pass the receiver like a 508 and avoid pvr fees??

and i have to re stream all the old firmware to both of the eeproms and formast the hard disk again to open up again the whole 120gigs ??

[qrubim]

They will know the receiver is not a 508 by the IRD number “I would guess” I don’t have a 510 so I cant tell you exactly what you have to do to put it back the original way but what is have above sounds correct to me.

You could probably not do anything and it should work with both the yellow and blue cards until the N2 change over is completed, then you may want to get that extra 40GB back but I would not take that chance.

[RoofleChicken]

Today I subscribed four personally owned 301.13 IRD's. DIsh didn't ask any questions at all and is sending the replacement yellow cards for the IRD's. Two of them came with ROM 10's and the other two with ROM 101's. I substituted two other blue cards I had for the ROM 101's and they're sending me four new yellow cards for these IRD's. The IRD's were all new in box so this may have made it much easier. They asked no questions and I found it a pretty easy experience.

[smilingjack]

That's good to hear RC, so many people have been telling horror stories maybe they have changed their policys

[maxheadroom]

Today I subscribed four personally owned 301.13 IRD's. DIsh didn't ask any questions at all and is sending the replacement yellow cards for the IRD's. Two of them came with ROM 10's and the other two with ROM 101's. I substituted two other blue cards I had for the ROM 101's and they're sending me four new yellow cards for these IRD's. The IRD's were all new in box so this may have made it much easier. They asked no questions and I found it a pretty easy experience.

What info did you give to dish???
Did they check to see how you got the dishes at your address??? Since they did not have a previous subscriber at your address????
Did you give them a PO box for an address???
reason why I am asking is because on 2 of my IRDs the box keys were changed to something bogus. And I have no way of knowing what the original box keys were.
Are you going to drop them in a month???

[maxheadroom]

Here is another question
2 separate account holders each having an IRD with the same IRD number box keys will that be a problem???

[qrubim]

maxheadroom here is what I got.

What info did you give to dish???
nothing much but some info on the IRD ike the number, software version and model

Did they check to see how you got the dishes at your address??? Since they did not have a previous subscriber at your address????
Have a sub so I dont know

Did you give them a PO box for an address???
Have a sub so I dont know

reason why I am asking is because on 2 of my IRDs the box keys were changed to something bogus. And I have no way of knowing what the original box keys were.
Are you going to drop them in a month???
They do not ask for that so you should be ok.

2 separate account holders each having an IRD with the same IRD number box keys will that be a problem???
I dont think you can sub both but if there is a way to clone the card then who knows

[maxheadroom]

If the cam Id's are different.
box keys are same ird# are the same.
How are you identified on the network in thier computer system by the ird#? Box Keys? or Cam ID? or your address?
Anybody know i a red flag will come up if you try to subcribe with a cloned ird# or Box keys belonging to say another customer? And if there is a red flag what exactly will trigger it?
It would be nice to know. only somebody who is on the inside or designed the system will know for sure.
I would think it would be the CAM ID that is the determining factor. For example with cell phones it's the IMEI and when a phone gets reported as stolen or lost it is banned worldwide so there is no such thing as 2 phones (unless cloned) that have the same IMEI and the SIM card just lets you register with that provider. Another exampe for computers its the MAC address that can be used to restrict users to internet with an ISP.
So I would like to know what is this factor for dish network???
I think it is important to understand this before telling people buy any ird from ebay and subscride not knowing if that IRD or its boxkeys were cloned by the previous owner.

[smilingjack]

They ask for the R0000 (IRD #)
and the S000 card # when you sub

They keep records or who owes them money and what IRD's and cards are currently subbed.

If you numbers show up as already subbed you have a glitched card or ird

or your numbers may have a balence owing.

[nutzcracker]

Why Would Any1 Share A Nagra2 Hack With The Public If They Have It...it's Like Some Idiot Who Knows How To Rob A Bank And Go To The Cop And Show Them The Plan....
Focus On Dtv Their System Is Easier To Hack...

[wesman]

Why Would Any1 Share A Nagra2 Hack With The Public If They Have It...it's Like Some Idiot Who Knows How To Rob A Bank And Go To The Cop And Show Them The Plan....
Focus On Dtv Their System Is Easier To Hack...

lol...easier to hack huh ? That must be why so many have hacked the p4's....oh wait, that's the reason most are taking about subbing now, there aren't any viable alternatives.

--wes

[emptywallet]

Listen peeps, by subbing to dish, they win. Think about it. If absolutely zero pirates subbed because of the N2 switch... Dish would be forced to rethink their anti-piracy policies. But if they gain a bunch of new subs... then management can say... see... the millions we have invested in anti-piracy research is going to pay off.

Man, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out -- anyway... go with your local cable company until a true hack is developed. Better yet... if you feel like spending money... send Mili a few bones every month... better to contribute to Mili and his research than Charlie -- the less Charlie gains from the anti-piracy campaigns, the less likely there will be campaings in the future.

[smilingjack]

Most of the pirates are subbing already.

Would REALLY piss him off if everyone subbed big, bought a N2 blocker then canceled.

[qrubim]

Just an update on my sub above. I got the card a few days ago and even upgraded to a top 120 over the web.

I havent had any problems and I was not charged the $50 fee or shipping fior the new card.
So I think we should be in the clear...

[cdssh]

I wonder how many people are calling Charlie,and saying I am dish ready. That shows Charlie you are a pirate. Easy crap shoot for him. All gets added to a database at dish and then they may decide to wack you. Just my thought.

[mammajamma]

Let him prove it. So what if you moved into a place, where the previous roommate/tenant/owner installed a dish & left it on the roof when he left? So what if you are a former Dave subber, and you know how to re-aim your dish? So what if your ex-gf watched Al Jizzeera all day on her FTA, and you kicked her out when she sewed dynamite pockets into all her jackets?

My thinking last year was, if you had to sub after Dave killed the HU, then you sub Charlie. You dont reward them. Likewise, if Charlie kills your rig & you must sub, then you sub Dave. JMO, and Cheers to everyone, whatever they do.

[Matisse]

i heard it thru the grapevine that dish will always allow you to rat on yourself...24/7....go watch mel gibson's the passion of the christ and then confess.....sure youll go to jail but at least Jesus will be beside you when your blowing half the prison populace just like he was beside all the youngsters that got molested by their catholic priests
praise the lord and pass the suicide pills!

[Trapofmind]

You are confusing Catholicism with Christianity. Any person who would harm a child doesn't know Jesus. Mathew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
That being said, and very saddly, there are far far more children being molested by atheists then priests.

[scottymac]

That being said, and very saddly, there are far far more children being molested by atheists then priests.

What an absolutely stupid statement.

There are waaay more molesting priests to non-molesting priests, than there are molesting athiests to non-molesting athiests.

Here's a great statement for you though...

THE HIERARCHY OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS PUBLISHED A TEACHING DOCUMENT INSTRUCTING THE FAITHFUL THAT SOME PARTS OF THE BIBLE ARE NOT ACTUALLY TRUE

hXXp://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

lol

[otherside]

Hi all. I recently tried to sub to charlie and it was a pain in the ass and a failure. First they wanted an ssn, I said no, they then said it would cost me $200 to activate without an ssn, I then said I wanted the supervisors name as I was going to report him to the attorney General, They then said they would only needed the last 4 digits. Then I gave them the ird and cam id no. and they said it had A $149 balance that needed to be paid before they activated the units. I told them I was going to dtv as they were more friendly,and that was it.

[dscrd]

that doesnt sound right, almost sounds like a scam, when i subbed one of my recievers about 4 month ago, they only asked for my address and phone, not ssn,
and the first box i tried didnt work (think it got zapped and jtaged too much) then the second box was fine they activated it no prob, no quest asked, they have allways been cool and nice when i call, i had way more trouble with dtv, i hate dave, will never sub dtv, they were always rude and condesendening, i rember when i first subbed dave, (before i had even starting testin), i didnt know my card number and they were really bieng jerks talking like i was pirating, never agin for DTV here, luv my dish