FTA Future ?

[tv2004]

I have question about how good future we have about FTA. I bought couple of them and someone was telling me that on 28th of Sep, there is going to be a big change in some sort of stream speed which these FTA receivers will not be able to handle it and eventually it will go off again. Some smart guy's help here

Thanks

[mopar611]

First off, I am not smart...LOL

Dont know what to tell you. I cant read the future. Some will say good, some will say bad. I dont believe anyone knows. Its gonna be a matter of if the FTA group can keep getting the keys or if they can write a bin to auto roll with the suppose changes coming. Again, dont know.

On the other hand, If you bought them. Use them. Lets see what happens.

Mopar

[dRaNo]

I can tell you.....

In 6 days.

[t160hq]

It will still work as a true FTA even if it quits working on DN.

Does it really matter that the reruns are in another language? :-)

t160hq

[Neofree]

It will work for 30 years, guaranteed! haha There are no guarantees at all. There is *speculation* that things will change after N1 is fully shut off, but no one knows for sure. It's best to wait until after then to see if you havent already purchased anything. I would say though that if in 30 days from now it is STILL working, it will last possibly till next card swap, but don't mark my word for it.

[tv2004]

Too wooosh answer for me, I don't understand, if escalator is temp down then there are stairs to use but here the news I'm getting are FTA go down completely until FTA Group brings solid solution. Unlessl complete hack of 101, 102 comes. That will be more sound like escalator.

in this case, we have two towers (BEV & DISH), and stairs are pretty big I guess ....

[dRaNo]

LoL, that's my sig, It wasn't referring to your question. Basicly what I think everyones tryin to say is, if you already have an FTA stick with it and see what happens. If you haven't bought one it might be wise to wait til after the swap is complete.

[Crow 492]

How long will FTA last?
Forever. That's a trick question just like "How long will C Band & Ku Band last?" C-band will always be where feeds are transmitted for reception by cable and satellite providers. But some changes are going to be happening in the forseeable future that will amount to a C-band version of the N2 swap. The FCC has ruled that all analog channels must go digital to save transponder space. Analog formats are completely hackable. Most digital formats are not. Granted, this isn't going to happen as quickly as Nag-2. But hackable VCII is not going to last forever either. Continued testing will mean someone is going to have to hack Digicipher2 and PowerVu. Those two are the "Nag2" of C-band.



Introduction

The concept of receiving free to air satellite signals dates back to the inception of satellite broadcasts in the mid 1970's and 1980's where large C/Ku band satellite systems were a popular way of tapping into hundreds of available channels from the sky. The downside to these systems were extremely large dish sizes and expensive equipment. These made satellite systems prohibitive for many people. However over the years, increasingly powerful commercial satellites and improvements in technology have brought prices and dish sizes down quite dramatically.
The mid 1990's saw the introduction of digital direct to home technology, which for the first time allowed main stream users to access a wide variety of channels not available via their local cable company, while enjoying incredible picture and sound quality, all from a dish far smaller than had ever been seen before. The small dish revolution nearly caused the extinction of the large dish industry, which simply could not compete on dish sizing, price or ease of installation.
The late 1990's saw the digital revolution spread to the large dish industry with services such as 4DTV which brought the same digital picture and sound as the small dish systems to large dish users, although a new and expensive decoder was required for reception.
The last several years has seen most broadcasters switch their broadcasts to digital, which allowed broadcasts to be compressed, allowing more channels per satellite transponder and also a superior picture and sound quality. As well, a common digital standard known as MPEG2-DVB has been adopted by many broadcasters, which allows all free to air satellite channels that use the DVB (Digital Video Broadcast) standard to be received from one satellite decoder.
Over the years, the free to air market has slowly begun to see a small comeback, primarily due to an abundance of programming not available anywhere else, such as international and foreign language channels as well as improved picture and sound quality.




Just My 2 Cents

[Crow 492]

FTA Network affiliates

E = Eastern time / Central time feed
M = Mountain time feed
W = Pacific time / Alaska time feed

ABC:
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KIMO Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KKTU Cheyenne, WY - M
123w - X0 - 12104V - 2583 - KTWO Casper, WY - M
123w - X0 - 11986V - 5152 - WPRU Puerto Rico - E

CBS:
139w - W8 - 4168H - 4200 - ARCS Alaska - W
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KTVA Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11986V - 5152 - WVXF Virgin Islands - E
93w - T6 - 4080V - 32362 - CBS East HD (HDTV) - E
93w - T6 - 4120V - 32362 - CBS West HD (HDTV) - W

NBC:
139w - W8 - 4168H - 4200 - ARCS Alaska - W
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KTUU Anchorage, AK - W
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC East - E
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC Central - E
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC Mountain - M
101w - W4 - 3860H - 26660 - NBC Pacific - W
101w - K4 - 11991H - 2000 - WVGN Virgin Islands - E
99w - G4 - 3775H - 3256 - KCWY Casper - M

Fox:
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KTBY Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11800V - 26657 - WMQF Marquette, MI - E
123w - X0 - 12114V - 4444 - KPBI Ft. Smith, AR - E
101w - K4 - 11708V - 2170 - KUIL Beaumont, TX - E

UPN:
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KYES Anchorage, AK - W
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KWWF Waterloo, IA - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - WBIF Panama City, FL - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KQUP Spokane, WA - W
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - WGMU Burlington, VT - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KTVC Eugene, OR - W
123w - X0 - 11986V - 5152 - WSJP Puerto Rico - E
123w - X0 - 12114V - 4444 - KFDF Ft. Smith, AR - E
72w - W6 -3934H - 7174 - WZRB Columbia, SC - E

WB:
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KWFT Ft. Smith, AR - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KWBM Springfield, MO - E
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KWBF Little Rock, AR - E
123w - X0 - 11905V - 5152 - WSJP Puerto Rico - E
91w - GB - 3720H - 26700 - WB East - E
91w - GB - 3720H - 26700 - WB West - W

PBS:
139w - W8 - 4168H - 4200 - ARCS Alaska
139w - W8 - 4180H - 4200 - KUAC Fairbanks, AK
137w - W7 - 3880H - 25200 - KAKM Anchorage, AK
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS X East
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS Kids
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS X West
87w - K3 - 12110H - 14025 - PBS You
87w - K3 - 12128H - 14025 - PBS HD (HDTV)
87w - K3 - 12164H - 4340 - Montana PBS
79w - K5 - 11742V - 11110 - KUEN Salt Lake City, UT

CTV:
111w - E2 - 3860V - 28346 - ASN Halifax
107w - E1 - 3780V - 28345 - ASN Halifax
107w - E1 - 4181V - 28500 - CTV Red (8psk)
107w - E1 - 4181V - 28500 - CTV Green (8psk)
107w - E1 - 4181V - 28500 - CTV Blue (8psk)

SRC:
107w - E1 - 3962H - 6500 - CBFT Montreal

RDS:
107w - E1 - 4060V - 28346 - RDS Network

Univision:
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KXUN St. Louis, MO
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KLRA Ft. Smith, AR
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KEYU Amarillo, TX
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KKFQ Yakima, WA
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KPOU La Grande, OR
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KUTH Logan, UT
91w - GB - 4085H - 2480 - KLUZ Albuquerque, NM
45w - PAS1(C) - 4104V - 14450 - WLII Puerto Rico

Telemundo:
101w - K4 - 11704V - 2170 - KTEL Carlsbad, NM
45w - PAS1(C) - 4104V - 14450 - WKAQ Puerto Rico

Azteca:
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Trece
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Oeste
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Este
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Siete (4:2:2)
121w - T3 - 4130V - 25325 - Azteca Trece (4:2:2)
113w - M2(C) - 3863H - 3581 - Azteca Noreste

TeleFutura:
123w - X0 - 11719V - 27687 - KAMT Amarillo, TX
123w - X0 -11800V - 26660 - KUTF Price, UT

Spanish Independents:
58w - PAS9(C) - 4155V - 3310 - WPRV Puerto Rico
45w - PAS1(C) - 4104V - 14450 - WAPA Puerto Rico
45w - PAS1(C) - 4104V - 14450 - WIPR Puerto Rico

AND THAT IS JUST SOME OF MORE.

[JT]

Just for the record Crow, unlike the rest of us here, t160hq has a pretty good understanding and a fair amount of experience testing C-band. t160hq has tested just about everything TV related at one point or another.

[Crow 492]

Just to let you know JT it was a miss print. I ment Newbies.

Thanks for reminding me.

[JT]

It's cool Crow. Just want to make sure an experienced friend isn't being sold short so to speak....and you couldn't be more right about all these newbies! Holy cow does this get old sometimes.

[tv2004]

How long will FTA last?
Forever. That's a trick question just like "How long will C Band & Ku Band last?" C-band will always be where feeds are transmitted for reception by cable and satellite providers. But some changes are going to be happening in the forseeable future that will amount to a C-band version of the N2 swap. The FCC has ruled that all analog channels must go digital to save transponder space. Analog formats are completely hackable. Most digital formats are not. Granted, this isn't going to happen as quickly as Nag-2. But hackable VCII is not going to last forever either. Continued testing will mean someone is going to have to hack Digicipher2 and PowerVu. Those two are the "Nag2" of C-band.



Introduction

The concept of receiving free to air satellite signals dates back to the inception of satellite broadcasts in the mid 1970's and 1980's where large C/Ku band satellite systems were a popular way of tapping into hundreds of available channels from the sky. The downside to these systems were extremely large dish sizes and expensive equipment. These made satellite systems prohibitive for many people. However over the years, increasingly powerful commercial satellites and improvements in technology have brought prices and dish sizes down quite dramatically.
The mid 1990's saw the introduction of digital direct to home technology, which for the first time allowed main stream users to access a wide variety of channels not available via their local cable company, while enjoying incredible picture and sound quality, all from a dish far smaller than had ever been seen before. The small dish revolution nearly caused the extinction of the large dish industry, which simply could not compete on dish sizing, price or ease of installation.
The late 1990's saw the digital revolution spread to the large dish industry with services such as 4DTV which brought the same digital picture and sound as the small dish systems to large dish users, although a new and expensive decoder was required for reception.
The last several years has seen most broadcasters switch their broadcasts to digital, which allowed broadcasts to be compressed, allowing more channels per satellite transponder and also a superior picture and sound quality. As well, a common digital standard known as MPEG2-DVB has been adopted by many broadcasters, which allows all free to air satellite channels that use the DVB (Digital Video Broadcast) standard to be received from one satellite decoder.
Over the years, the free to air market has slowly begun to see a small comeback, primarily due to an abundance of programming not available anywhere else, such as international and foreign language channels as well as improved picture and sound quality.




Just My 2 Cents
Thats incredible information for a new user, Appreciate !

[Littlebear151]

I think you have a pretty good idea what most people think from the post made here..
also I think you know the fTA was here before hacking dish and it will be around after hacking dish..

but I think you may be wondering what people are talking about when they say that fTA maybe dead after the 28th..

Their are some people that thinks dish will fully deploy N2 after the 28th..we are not talking about all channels being n2 we all believe that..

Dn is running N2 in a watered down mode.. meaning that the CMD$04 is not being used.. the rsa encryption is running at 512 at this point all recievers can decode
video in about 1 sec now.. dish has a 2 sec timeout after 2sec the screen will go black.. if they go to the 768 rsa its possible that old irds and fta boxes may not be able to decode the video fast enough to keep video.. thus rendering the fta boxes dead..

My oppinion: If the old irds can handle the 768 rsa then you can bet they will fire that bad boy up.. if they can't I would think that a ird swap would be needed to fully deploy the CMD$04

Now thinking along these same lines if the cmd$04 is fully deployed it is also possible that all existing camless cards ..MC, Atmega will also be worthless..
the Titanium card is the only one I see that might still be a workable solution


Hope this helps it make a little sense


LB

BTW: my 7 1/2 ft Cband dish is still sitting in my yard like a sleeping giant.. still works but I haven't used it since DTV went to the H card

[hlonipha]

I think you have a pretty good idea what most people think from the post made here..
also I think you know the fTA was here before hacking dish and it will be around after hacking dish..

but I think you may be wondering what people are talking about when they say that fTA maybe dead after the 28th..

Their are some people that thinks dish will fully deploy N2 after the 28th..we are not talking about all channels being n2 we all believe that..

Dn is running N2 in a watered down mode.. meaning that the CMD$04 is not being used.. the rsa encryption is running at 512 at this point all recievers can decode
video in about 1 sec now.. dish has a 2 sec timeout after 2sec the screen will go black.. if they go to the 768 rsa its possible that old irds and fta boxes may not be able to decode the video fast enough to keep video.. thus rendering the fta boxes dead..

My oppinion: If the old irds can handle the 768 rsa then you can bet they will fire that bad boy up.. if they can't I would think that a ird swap would be needed to fully deploy the CMD$04

Now thinking along these same lines if the cmd$04 is fully deployed it is also possible that all existing camless cards ..MC, Atmega will also be worthless..
the Titanium card is the only one I see that might still be a workable solution


Hope this helps it make a little sense


LB

BTW: my 7 1/2 ft Cband dish is still sitting in my yard like a sleeping giant.. still works but I haven't used it since DTV went to the H card

Why do you think the titanium card will be the only possible way ?

[mruk69]

I do not have FTA but I do have a Dish 2800 which is on a sub share for International channels the yellow card is a 101. If I understand it correctly these receivers with 101's ain't capable of decrypting the 768. If they were going to switch it wouldn't they have upgraded my equipment first? Unless they found a way around it, with a software upgrade.

[tv2004]

I do not have FTA but I do have a Dish 2800 which is on a sub share for International channels the yellow card is a 101. If I understand it correctly these receivers with 101's ain't capable of decrypting the 768. If they were going to switch it wouldn't they have upgraded my equipment first? Unless they found a way around it, with a software upgrade.
What is this sub share. How can I do it or share it I want, please explain

[dRaNo]

What is this sub share. How can I do it or share it I want, please explain

A sub share is when 1 person gets a legitimite subscribtion with dishnet and activates several receivers to 1 account. Each person takes a receiver and the cost for the subscribtion is shared.