Are all the channels carried on the 110 and 119 birds separately?

[mili]

In other words do you have to have a 500 or another dual satellite capable dish to aim at both satellites for receiving all the channels DishNet has to offer or will a simple DTV dish and LNB get all vailable channels (no HDTV reqired)?

mili

[Darnat]

Basically what you need is to have is 2 LNB's that operate through a switch as it goes to one ird.The 500 has a built in switch enabling you to get both birds.
DTV dish with 2 LNB'S will work.One pointing at 110 and the other at 119.

[mili]

You are saying I need to somehow install two LNBs onto an 18" DTV dish for it to get all DishNet channels? Is there a way? Also with a round dish how do you aim at two satellites? Are they that close together that a round 18" dish gats them both?

mili

[Darnat]

You can now buy a "Y"Adapter...pro look rather than using duc tape etc.As theyre only 9* apart..I know for sure you can do it with a 20" dish..not quite sure about the 18" though..what the hell give it a go.

[Darnat]

You can go this route..but some are not willing to install 2 dishes.

[t160hq]

Actually you need 5 dishes to get all DN has to offer and two receivers. That would be all channels available.

Generally, You need two dishes for most channel needs. One dish 500 (20" with a dual head LNBF for 119 and 110 these have the majority of the channels) and a second (DTV 18' will work fine for this one) for spotbeam locals or speciality overseas programming. This is where it gets tricky. You have to look over programming on 61.5, 148 and decide which channels on which sat you want the most. If you just have to have programming from both 61.5 and 148 then a second receiver will be required. Since three sats are the max for any model DN receiver.The fifth bird at 129 dosen't have enough to worry about yet. What they do have only appeals to a very limited audience.

There are multiple ways to hook these two dishes up three if your using 18' DTV dishes. The most common is two sw21 multiswitches. On the dish 500 you would have two single LNBF's (DN or Dave LNBS will work fine). One single on the 18". This gets you one receiver hookup for three sats.

The two wires from the 20" 500 go to the dish inputs on the first SW21. (119 goes to dish1 input. 110 goes to dish2 input. This is important that it's hooked up that way.) The output goes to the dish1 hookup on the second SW21 multiswitch. The wire from the second 18" dish goes to dish2 input on the second SW21. The output of the second SW21 goes to the receiver.

Now if there is nothing you want on 61.5 or 148 sats one SW21 and the 20" 500 dish will do you. Or two 18" dishes and a SW21. One 18" with a Y adaptor won't work for 110 and 119. No skew adjustment on a 18" dish. Plus the parabolic curve is all wrong for picking up two sats.

t160hq

[Darnat]

Actually you need 5 dishes to get all DN has to offer and two receivers. That would be all channels available.

Generally, You need two dishes for most channel needs. One dish 500 (20" with a dual head LNBF for 119 and 110 these have the majority of the channels) and a second (DTV 18' will work fine for this one) for spotbeam locals or speciality overseas programming. This is where it gets tricky. You have to look over programming on 61.5, 148 and decide which channels on which sat you want the most. If you just have to have programming from both 61.5 and 148 then a second receiver will be required. Since three sats are the max for any model DN receiver.The fifth bird at 129 dosen't have enough to worry about yet. What they do have only appeals to a very limited audience.

There are multiple ways to hook these two dishes up three if your using 18' DTV dishes. The most common is two sw21 multiswitches. On the dish 500 you would have two single LNBF's (DN or Dave LNBS will work fine). One single on the 18". This gets you one receiver hookup for three sats.

The two wires from the 20" 500 go to the dish inputs on the first SW21. (119 goes to dish1 input. 110 goes to dish2 input. This is important that it's hooked up that way.) The output goes to the dish1 hookup on the second SW21 multiswitch. The wire from the second 18" dish goes to dish2 input on the second SW21. The output of the second SW21 goes to the receiver.

Now if there is nothing you want on 61.5 or 148 sats one SW21 and the 20" 500 dish will do you. Or two 18" dishes and a SW21. One 18" with a Y adaptor won't work for 110 and 119. No skew adjustment on a 18" dish. Plus the parabolic curve is all wrong for picking up two sats.

t160hq

Thanks for clarifying this...suppose it all boils down to how much of dish you really want...110* & 119* is ample for me..using both a 500 setup and 2 lnb's with switch installed.

[t160hq]

Thanks for clarifying this...suppose it all boils down to how much of dish you really want...110* & 119* is ample for me..using both a 500 setup and 2 lnb's with switch installed.


Very true. Had to use a DN500 and a DTV single myself. Locals for my area were on one of the other sats.

t160hq

[mili]

What is I do NOT use two dishes and aim only at the 110 or the 119 bid? What will I miss?
mili

[Darnat]

Youre best bet is to find out what channels are located on what bird and then choice will be yours....

[mili]

FINALLY
ALLELUYAH!!!!

After much ado I finally got the answer :) So DishNet has their channels split between the two birds and to get all of them you need either a Dish500 20" dish with a Quad LNB and that switch that combines all the LNB signals into one or you need to aim two separate 18" dishes to the two birds then combine those signals into one. If you aim only at one or the other you will be missing channels. Am I right?

mili

[t160hq]

Sorry about the link to another site. But, this is the only site I know of that lists every sat in every country and what channels are carried.

http://www.lyngsat.com/

Now you know what you might miss. :-)

t160hq

[Darnat]

What type of service and programming is provided on EchoStar IV and V at the 110 orbital location?

Answer: EchoStar IV and V hosts a variety of international, educational and business programming as well as data services. However, we are responding to our current and potential customers' number-one request...local network channels delivered digitally to your DISH Network set-top box. There are currently 24 local cities broadcasting from EchoStar V. However under the SHIVA ruling, only customers with in certain areas will be able to purchase these services. To see if you qualify.




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2. I currently have programming at 119 orbital location. Do I need two dish antennas if I want to subscribe to my local networks?

Answer: Because EchoStar IV and V, which carry the majority of local programming, are positioned in a different orbital location than our existing core satellites (located at the 119-degree orbital location) the 18” dish antenna is not able to receive the signals from both orbital locations. However, you may upgrade to a DISH 500 system that will allow you to obtain signals from both 110 and 119 orbital locations.

[t160hq]

FINALLY
ALLELUYAH!!!!

After much ado I finally got the answer :) So DishNet has their channels split between the two birds and to get all of them you need either a Dish500 20" dish with a Quad LNB and that switch that combines all the LNB signals into one or you need to aim two separate 18" dishes to the two birds then combine those signals into one. If you aim only at one or the other you will be missing channels. Am I right?

mili

That's it exactly!

Suddenly feel like singing that song from My Fair Lady. About the Rain In Spain. Funny that.

t160hq

[mili]

t160hq

You freak me out. Not two hours ago I was coming home from playing tennis and it started to rain. My friend in my truck started singing to my horror about the Rain In Spain. You evesdrop on me boy?

mili

[t160hq]

t160hq

You freak me out. Not two hours ago I was coming home from playing tennis and it started to rain. My friend in my truck started singing to my horror about the Rain In Spain. You evesdrop on me boy?

mili

T160HQ

Psychic to the stars!

That has a great ring to it. Think I'll go into a
new business. LOL

t160hq

[PAnSa]

do the LNB's matter? Do I need a Dish Pro LNB for the 110 & 119 sat or can I use the setup described on 18inch.com where you trade the triple LNB oval dish 101 LNB for the 110 LNB , then set a separate dish for the 61.5 or 148 bird.

[t160hq]

You need to run that DP 500 twin into a SW21 not a SW21x. Then you can run a 3 bird system on any DP receiver. I currently am running four DP301's both 010 and 013 with just this setup. Getting 110, 119, and 61.5. Using both a DP twin and a legacy twin. Going into 4 SW21 switches. Using two single rca dual lnb 18" dishes for 61.5.

Never tried it with a legacy receiver. Might try it this weekend just to see if it would work. At least on the legacy twin 500 setup.

t160hq

[t160hq]

And yes it looks like I'm working for some government agency at my house. Just got my rayban's and a black suit. Nothing like scaring the neighbors out of their wits.

t160hq

[imflushed]

So let me get this straight in my head - if I just repoint my DirecTV dish at 119 I should get just about everything I want - HBO, ESPN, Discovery, VH1, some movie PPV, etc. But there is a significant amount of other stuff at 110 that I would either need another 18 inch dish + a switch dealie to combine them or a 20 inch dish that can get 119 and 110 at the same time (at which point I could combine that with the old 18 inch dish and send 3 birds to my boxes).

Ow. I naively thought an eliptical dish would be needed to hit two birds so I assumed most of Charlie was on one or the other.

Is there anything on 110 besides locals and Spanish stuff? Is that where the PPV movies or the porn is? Or the NHL Center Ice/MLB Extra Innings?

tx for clarifying my spinning head

[OldTex]

I'll be re-aiming my dishes shortly. Looks liek the main bird is at 119degrees, with the next main bird at 110 degrees.

I already have a DTV dish aimed at 119.

Waaay back when DTV black sunday'd the H crads, I swithed to Dish for a short while. I **had** a DN 500 dish, but it's long since been given away. I did notice when I went to mount a DTV dish where the DN500 dish was, my DTV IRD said welcome to DirecTV 119. So...

I figure to reaim one dish totally, and see what I get with the other.. as soon as some ordered DN receivers show up.

[t160hq]

Most of the mainstream channels are on 119. Most of the PPV, locals, and many of the channels in top 120 and top 180 packages are on 110.

See:

http://www.lyngsat.com/

For a complete list of channels on all birds. And I do mean all. They list everything from mini dish to BUD. Including other countries.

t160hq

[dirtfarmer]

Has anyone had any luck aiming a Dave oval dish, with dual lnbs?
I figured out my 4x4 switch won't work with DN so I just bypassed it and am running only one unit on the 119 bird. I would like to be able to get both sat's and run multiple receivers.

What kind of switch do I need?
thanks in advance

[t160hq]

Yep. Dave oval works fine. Need to move the LNBF from the far left (facing the front) to the middle. In other words move the 101 lnbf to the 110 middle slot. Pointing it is exactly the same as if setting it up for rca. Since rca uses 119 as the second bird for their system (Same orbital slot as dish just a different bird).

You need either a SW21 two if you want two receivers. Or a sw64 or sw44 if you want 4 receivers.

t160hq

[sukh77]

T160hq - Legacy recievers will not work with DP sat and DP SW. You can purchase an adapter from an authorized dealer to use legacy recivers with DP SW and LNB.

[t160hq]

SW21, SW64, and SW44 are legacy switches sukh77. Dish Pro switches start with a DP designiation. Like DP34 or DP twin (dishpro dual two out LNBF with a built in multiswitch).

t160hq

[sukh77]

Yeah I have a DP34 W/DP LNBF W/DP301.13's. I have tried to hook up the model 1000 and 6000 to it but I only get the Odd transponders. So I called up dish they said you will have to purchase an adapter to get the legacy IRD to work with DP setup.

[imhotep]

After reading the post I was wondering if it was possible to use daves 18 dish with the Y adapter adding two dual DN LNBs' to obtain the two particular sat signals (119 & 110). On 18inch.com you have the Dish Network Dual Output LNB which is considered to be an OEM "LEGACY" Dish Network Dual OutPut LNB. Not sure if this has the switch but if needed would need to purchase two for attaching to two receivers.... would this work??? :cool: :eek13: :rolleyes:

Thanks...

[t160hq]

Dual Output LNB is a single LNB with two connetions. You need two of these on a dish 500 to receive both 110 and 119. It has no switch built in. You will also need two SW21 switches (one for each receiver).

That sounds like what you are describing and yes it will work that way Imhotep.

t160hq

[lefty]

Yep. Dave oval works fine. Need to move the LNBF from the far left (facing the front) to the middle. In other words move the 101 lnbf to the 110 middle slot. Pointing it is exactly the same as if setting it up for rca. Since rca uses 119 as the second bird for their system (Same orbital slot as dish just a different bird).

You need either a SW21 two if you want two receivers. Or a sw64 or sw44 if you want 4 receivers.

I highlighted in red above quote the two references to rca. Did you mean Dave instead of rca?

I have the Channelmaster oval. With the back of lnb's at my nose, the lnb's pointing at the face of the antenna, I move the lnb on my left to the center position on the arm and point the dish at 119? Run one lead from each lnb to an SW21 then run that lead to one ird.

I think I have it now. Correct me if I'm way off.

Thanks,

[bigstraw]

from reading this thread and checking out the lynsat site, it seems that the 119 bird is best if you plan on using the dtv dish and single lnb like I do.but can i get mlb extra innings and can you dish users(who have been using dnet for a while) tell me how much porn and ppv are on the 119 bird?
A friend has a DN dish for maybe 5+ years now that he hasn't used regularly because he failed to pay DN to have his card done and nobody in the area hacked them.I plan on getting this from him.How can i tell if this is a DN500 dish that will be able to pickup both the 110 and 119 birds?It does have dual lnb.
thanks

[imhotep]

Dual Output LNB is a single LNB with two connetions. You need two of these on a dish 500 to receive both 110 and 119. It has no switch built in. You will also need two SW21 switches (one for each receiver).

That sounds like what you are describing and yes it will work that way Imhotep.

t160hq

Thanks for responding t160hg... your absolutly correct about the LNB's I'm looking at purchasing Y adapter and another dual output LNB from 18inch.com along with the SW21 switches (2) but can I use the dtv (18 inch) dish or will I need to replace it with DN 500. I guess I'm asking if there is enough surface area on the 18" dish to accomidate Y adapter with two dual output LNB's? Thanks again for the assistance t160hg..... :) :rolleyes: :cool:

[t160hq]

No Imhotep the dtv 18" will not work with a y adaptor to mount two lnb's. It does not have a skew adjustment, It's too small need 20 inches, And it has the wrong parabolic curve to pick up two sats.

I missunderstood the Y adaptor reference in the first post. I thought you were reffering to some sort of wire splitter or switch. My bad.

And yes lefty I use the terms dave, rca, dtv or direct tv interchangabley.

t160hq

[t160hq]

Yes lefty. If that channel master oval was used with dave no realignment is necessary. If it was working with a dave system then it's already pointing at 101, 110 and 119.

The rest is spot on.

t160hq
Might look at the mount for the LNB's they are usually labled but I'm almost positive the 101 lnb is on the left.