penga penguin

[2004Nostradamus]

Who is penga & does every dish netwok break originate from him and what is the origin of his squabble with cardcoders ?:eek: :eek:

[alkasecond]

You'd have to dig into his disscusions with no1b4me, to get to the bottom of it.
Fact is he's freeware champion.
Look up his posts at CC as penga69 or cardcoder or simply penga.
Also would be prudent to have a look at ID and check the posts by no1b4me.
I'm sure You'll find penga's posts there (I really dont remember what nick he was
using back then)

[HuSatellite]

Yep he is a freeware machine, And we should all be greatfull for that.

No not EVERY dishnet break is from him.

He created unlocking files for N1 (With No1's help)

He has also, recently made 101 run on rom 10.

There is lots of other stuff, but these are the main 2.

He did not crack N2 thou, We may never know where the actual info came from. and thats probably how they wanted it!

[skeets88]

He started a post over at ROM10 as to his being banned from CC. Not a fan of soaps, so I'm not sure of the reasons. From what I know about human nature, its lack of resolution probably came down to dueling egos.

Not all breaks originate from him. But a free and easy one did and for that his name is getting batted around enough to make it seem like he is the only one. His release is probably the result of his work in combination with several others. But he did put it together and more importantly he released it for free. There is sort of a cult of people within the the community who think all solutions should be released free to the community. When someone does something like he did it hits a chord with these people and he gets deified. I'm not a member of the cult, but I am a cheap bastard so I sympathize with that feeling. I'm watching TV now, for free thanks to him, while I wait for solutions that I paid for. I'm not against paying for someone's ingenuity as I have for the AVR-X, but I'm all in favor of getting it for free. And for that, I too say my thanks to him.

[smilingjack]

You need to remember he gets his 'free fixes' by stealing from the pay for fixes, like he stole the rom 10 fix from the syndrome software.

This is the reason you pay so much MORE for the original fix, the people that spend so much time making something work can depend on someone spending 1% as much time as they did on the fix stealing their hard work and giving it away for free.

$ 10 worth of parts & a program costs $ 100 instead of $25 or $30 because of the fact that they know it will be hacked and cloned in a month or two and they won't sell any more.

[ghost71799]

I am all for what Penga did.

I hate to see Mili have a cut in profit over the freeware though.

Good is always better than greed.

ghost

[smilingjack]

With out profit there would be no testing, these devices we use are not home made and the programs are not written by high school kids.

Like it or not it is essential to have manufacturers and dealers and forums and they all cost money. What you would call a "necessary evil"

[Bandit5906]

I am all for what Penga did.

I hate to see Mili have a cut in profit over the freeware though.

Good is always better than greed.

ghost

Making a living is what it's all about. You have to make money. If people who write and release freeware didn't have other means then they could not afford to release the freeware, IMHO!

[ghost71799]

If it was in fact stolen, why go to all the trouble to build a new card, when all that was needed was code wrote to the old card?

ghost

[VOLTRON]

You need to remember he gets his 'free fixes' by stealing from the pay for fixes, like he stole the rom 10 fix from the syndrome software.

This is the reason you pay so much MORE for the original fix, the people that spend so much time making something work can depend on someone spending 1% as much time as they did on the fix stealing their hard work and giving it away for free.

$ 10 worth of parts & a program costs $ 100 instead of $25 or $30 because of the fact that they know it will be hacked and cloned in a month or two and they won't sell any more.
You really think penga stole this from syndrome? As near as i can tell the syndrome is nothing more than 90 some percent full emulation with a tsop mod to get around the session key, put on a neo board (stolen) from trinity. I'am not going to defend penga, but i know for a fact that work was being done on this project long before syndrome came along. More likely that syndrome did the stealiing from hellborn,trinity,penga and others involved in the project.
I just think we should support these guru's before they all go into hiding, and fixes of any kind will be non exsistant.

[sukh77]

Obviously syndrome doesn't know what its doing. They are down with ppv as stated by SJ. If Penga stole from syndrome then he obviously made a better code PPV is up. If Syndrome stole from Penga and others, They fucked up stealing it.

[ellsmako]

A pirate calling a pirate ,..............UH a Pirate !
Just as dish, direct, Bell make some money but be resonable.

As far as the services go,... 80 Garbage on the tube. The other 20 percent ( you insert the content ) is watchable. Pay alot so you can pick out the good parts. I have no problem with making money just put out something worthwhile at a resonable rate. Sorry guys but recycling hardware and charging 0ver 120 bucks with little or no support is not right.
Personnaly only watch a total of 10 channels or so.
Having a sub for 90.00 a month for 4 Russian channels and a few HBO's is nuts. Same for paying large for same and having to deal with poor quality hardware and vaporware is also nuts.

Sorry just my rant.

Things you do for peace with the wife.

[slimmers]

You need to remember he gets his 'free fixes' by stealing from the pay for fixes, like he stole the rom 10 fix from the syndrome software.

This is the reason you pay so much MORE for the original fix, the people that spend so much time making something work can depend on someone spending 1% as much time as they did on the fix stealing their hard work and giving it away for free.

$ 10 worth of parts & a program costs $ 100 instead of $25 or $30 because of the fact that they know it will be hacked and cloned in a month or two and they won't sell any more.

get your facts straight there buddy..loseing money on them fucked up avr-x cards or what?
you can banned me i really dont give i chit but a post like that is pure b.s...
ive heard it all now stole from the syndrome lmfaoooooo.

[smilingjack]

In this business everyone steals from everyone else, part of the game.
syndrome stole from NEO, Penga stole from syndrome, the idea of modding the TSOP is right out of syndrome and came out a few weeks after syndrome software came out. coincidence ?, dont think so.

Secrets don't last long in dss

19,000 AVR-X shipped already and the only reason there have not been more is they can't make them fast enough, don't think they are losing money there.

AVR-X is up with all channels, syndrome is asking you to pay for PPV & Porn

[Bandit5906]

In this business everyone steals from everyone else, part of the game.
syndrome stole from NEO, Penga stole from syndrome, the idea of modding the TSOP is right out of syndrome and came out a few weeks after syndrome software came out. coincidence ?, dont think so.

Secrets don't last long in dss

19,000 AVR-X shipped already and the only reason there have not been more is they can't make them fast enough, don't think they are losing money there.

AVR-X is up with all channels, syndrome is asking you to pay for PPV & Porn

Do any of you remember what the Wonderbox boys did with PGM's code?

[Bugster]

You need to remember he gets his 'free fixes' by stealing from the pay for fixes, like he stole the rom 10 fix from the syndrome software.

This is the reason you pay so much MORE for the original fix, the people that spend so much time making something work can depend on someone spending 1% as much time as they did on the fix stealing their hard work and giving it away for free.

$ 10 worth of parts & a program costs $ 100 instead of $25 or $30 because of the fact that they know it will be hacked and cloned in a month or two and they won't sell any more.

i guess they now know how charlie feels :)

[lefty]

AVR-X is up with all channels, syndrome is asking you to pay for PPV & Porn

Check the 'Purchase History' on your IRD's. Mine shows a purchase.

Wierd.

Oh, well. It works.

[Muscrat]

If it was in fact stolen, why go to all the trouble to build a new card, when all that was needed was code wrote to the old card?

ghost
Guys,
Please dont forget that in fact the Syndrom looks very similar to the Neo card, actualy to be honest, too similar. Im sure Trinity never recieved anything from the syndrom guys for the original NEO design.

just my 2 cents

[ghost71799]

Teh rom 10 card is teh rom ten card.

I bet there has been alot of stealing from Penga, No1b4me, and Trinity.

ghost

[JT]

You need to remember he gets his 'free fixes' by stealing from the pay for fixes, like he stole the rom 10 fix from the syndrome software.
....

Penga DID NOT get his rom10 fix off the s card. Where did you hear that SJ? You can follow it's entire developement over at CC. The syndrome folks did, however, steal their design from the Neo developers.

[ghost71799]

I for one am glad as hell to see Penga and the older guys still doing what they do best, and I will do what ever it takes in college to learn what these famous guys know even if it takes as long as my last breath to learn it.

When I write code for everyone for free will I be called a thief as well?

Yeh, by Charlie and Dave I hope, but not you guys.

ghost

[smilingjack]

Not just the design they stole the whole card.
I have one and it IS A NEO with the program trinity was promising to put on it for N2.

Since all the current hacks are basicly the same I consider the first one to finish it and comeout with it as the originator, regardless who did the work, hard to tell who did what there.
AVR-X and Syn seem to be a dead heat but they came out first the others came out later.


Just my way of looking at it. Others will have diferent opinions. Hard to tell who did what with the closed forums and threads where the real work was done.

Congradulations to ALL OF THEM for the hard work they ALL did to get the free TV'ers happy again.

[HuSatellite]

Penga DID NOT get his rom10 fix off the s card. Where did you hear that SJ? You can follow it's entire developement over at CC. The syndrome folks did, however, steal their design from the Neo developers.

Exactly, He didnt steal shit...
You can see the work, Start to finish at CC.

On your other subject SJ,
I am a member at a few forums that dont have sponcers or anything for sale.
The forum is payed for by donation and likely that only covers bandwidth.
Now, Thats what testing is all about...

Not forum owners making $100,000 off some new device, Then charging even more for files section access.

If there was nothing for sale, private forums would still survive...

[smilingjack]

Study criminal and corporate law too, if you get as famous as those guys you may need it.
You wil be on Dave and Charlies public enemies number 1 list too.

[HuSatellite]

Yesterday No1b4me released a rom dump from a 102.

The best coder/hardware guru in this hobby BY FAR....

Good thing he has moved, and is out of the laws hands.

[smilingjack]

There must be a place in this life for manufacturers and dealers and forums who sell them or they would not exist.

No one would buy and instead of making money they would go broke.

I just don't see why people who can do this on their own with out factory made equipment even hangs around here ? Just to bitch after the get their factory J-Tags, Programmers and cards ? Or to gloat that they built them themselves and look down on the newbys ? (and the people that sit here every day and try to help them, for free, mods do not get paid, even here. 2 years and 10,000 posts and I got a free AVR-X. I got a free syndrome for writing a TRUTHFUL test report.

They should be hanging out at the sites that have the schematics and instructions for them building their own stuff and leaving the newbys and people who are not able to do that stuff for themselves alone. Some of them can not even follow directions to get the ready made stuff working, how can they build their own ?

Then we would ALL be back where we were when I started getting sat TV.
NO manufacturers, NO dealers, NO forums NO INTERNET !

It was pay $5,000 to $6,000 to buy a setup or buy the schematics and blueprints and a couple hundred dollars (lot of money then) worth of parts and supplies and BUILD A DISH AND IRD YOURSELF.

NO Subscriptions, NO encription it was ALL FTA on the original B.U.D. called then TVRO (Tele Vision Receive Only) or Earth Stations. [1968] Video Cypher encription came a year later because one of the first private stations called American Ectasy and American Triple Ectasy started transmitting PORN and the government started REQUIRING EVCRIPTION

Then they found out they could make money with encription and private sat companies were born.

Anybody that did not 'steal' sat TV back then is a "Newby" to me

he he he :):):)

[jose malave]

my tv is working and still waiting for my avr I order oct.19. I will pay penga for fix if ask.

[Stocko]

This statement from JT is correct IMO, "Penga DID NOT get his rom10 fix off the s card.". Penga saved most if not all of his notes from CC, look at rom10x for a file called "saved CC-2" it reveals alot about the inner circle mindset at CC. IMO, rom10x is very lucky to have Penga. Snags won the lottery for sure in this soap.

SJ, you made mention of the date "[1968]" in post #26. Well, the other day I pulled up the guide and saw the show "The Falcon and the Snowman" and said to Miss Stocko, I remember reading that book as a kid it's about time they made a Movie out of it. She pulls up the info screen which reads 1977. Many years, many memories.

Stocko

[smilingjack]

Many years stocko, I wonder where they went,

almost cried when american tripple extasy went encripted in 1978, lost my porn,

but it was not long before someone was selling cloned encription chips for the Video Cypher and I hacked it back !

[Twostep]

Not forum owners making $100,000 off some new device, Then charging even more for files section access.
Gotta remember something, HU....Mili could give a shit less about the "hobby" and "testing". This is his BUSINESS. No one's forcing you, me or anyone else to put 100 grand in his bank account, and if it galls someone's ass to do that, well, we're all free to visit the forums who deal in the spirit of freeware and testing.

Seeing as how all these fixes came out at basically the same time, I'd say they're all shittin' in each others' cook kit. And there's some top-notch spies/leakers everywhere you go, too. Not to take anything away from Penga or No1's contributions, but hey - this is satellite piracy, not a Salvation Army fundraising event. Anything goes.

Understand it, accept it, or take up sewing. ;)

[Markman]

I believe their is a place for both freeware and Pay for Testing.

I make my income from a business that charges for convenience.

All my business sells is FREE on the Internet and yet I been living very well off it for 7 years.. and their are people who are multi millionaires from it.

its simple , You can work and learn and put the effect to find the free stuff.. or you can pay and have it handed to you on a silver platter.


Charlie/Dave are the most convenient and most expansive

Magic Cards/Avr-x's/Syndrome are a bit less convenient and you pay less.

and their is the Freeware that is not really free because you still buy the ISO programmer or the Atmega card.. and everything else you need

and its even less convenient but its almost free.

Their are always going to be people who are going to pay for convenience.