Death penealty

[mili]

It makes me feel sick that there is still such a thing as death penealty.
I don;t know about you but if someone kills another person in cold blood for monetary or sexual gains (s)he should be made to suffer for the rest of her/his life which should be a nice living hell. No TV no game just hard labor with nutricious but boring diet. Deprived of entertainment, perks and luxuries, just one long meaningless and boring and joyless existance so (s)he can remember the crime.
Executing people turns my stomach. Every person has one life, nobody not even a state has the right to take that away from a person. It is just plain wrong to force penitentary workers to take part in murdering another just cause the law says so no matter how much ritual is involved.
There is always the chance that the executed did not commit that crime and something may come up 10-20 years down the road that would vindicate him.
This Tookie dude is just one in many that gets killed off like a cockroach every day world wide in the name of justice and law. Makes me sick really.

mili

[pitbullracin]

Well that may be Mili but ask this, would it make you sicker knowing this guy killed your wife, brother or other family or friends? It is always a touchy subject but I know for sure if it was my family or friend killed by this man, it is a no brainer I want to be the one pulling the lever or injecting the shot. Better yet I would rather the old fashion line up so I could miss a few times just for some major wounds till I got the shot right. I also do think that people that have had someone very close to them murdered do feel different on this. It's one of those things that just seems to have to happen to you. My brother was murdered by his ex-wife because he got custody of their child. She ran him over on the side of the road, then continued to run him back over 4 to 5 times to make sure she done the job. She now sets in prison not on death roll. Getting to visit their child and her family every weekend. Is it fair that she sees their child grow up and sees her family and does nothing productive in this world, I think not. Like I say everyone does have different opinions on this subject. But just think hard, I mean really hard about what if it was your wife, husband, mother, father, brother or who ever your the closest too. I do think in the long run, most of us would like them to suffer the same.

Edited: Also is it right that my earned tax dollars pay for her stay. In the long run I'm paying the women who murdered my brother.

[fubr]

I have oftem wondered how ,many inocent people are in jail, I know alot of guilty ones are not.
There is no excuse we do not have enough prisons.

[Saturn055]

Pitbullracing
I agree with you 100%, I do believe in the death penalty and I think that every scambag that takes somebody's life just for the fuck of it should pay with his or her own life. However I do think that in order to give someone the death penalty there should be no doubt that the person is guilty and there should be more than one witness pointing the finger at the accused. In that case I also think that nobody should be on death row for 20 or 25 years, it is a waist of tax payer's money.

[brjak]

an eye for an eye!

[bols2dawaLL]

an eye for an eye!

Right on ! Furthuremore , I think it's bullshit that these murderers are allowed to sit on death row for many years chewin up our tax money .

[vmod32]

I think it should be up to the family of the people who the crime was commited against.

[Trixter80]

That sounds like revenge, and revenge should have no place in the American justice system. It can blind you to the truth even if it's right in front of your face.

[smilingjack]

I think that once a person has been convicted of a murder and he wants to appeal he should lose his legal rights, be subjected to MEDICAL processes to get the truth from him whether he is guilty or now and if he is, fry him right away, not wait 20 years to do it while he has appeal afetr appeal. AT his victims expense.
Another suggestion is to execute them the same way he killed his victims.
American prisons are a joke, country clubs with free cable & sat TV, plenty of food, dope, booze and stuff for the prisoners 24 - 7, some even all wives and girlfriends to come over for some sex on the weekends, as a punishment they are minimal and do little or nothing to deter crime.
This Tookie STARTED the biggest gang and gang war in american history, one that makes Al Capone's boys and the Itialian and mexican Mafia and the Jamacian possie look like PUSSY'S, it goes on today just like the IRD & Brits do.
He is indirectly resposible for as many deaths as some of the Africian warlords. Which is what he was a 'american' Africian warlord.
Guarenteed if he did not personally pull the trigger on the ones he was convicted of he did on hundreds of others, in the bloods and crypts that is the only way to survive much less rise to power, kill, kill, kill.
Actually I have a solution to execution, we always need organ donors, make them organ donors and help someone else live. Strip them down to parts and sell them to pay for the prison system.

[JT]

I'd be fully in support of the death penalty if not for one thing. Our "justice" system is not infallable. So long as there's the possibility that an innocent person may be put to death, then the ultimate penalty is not an acceptable form of punishment. If there was some way to insure the person was guilty 100% of the time, then I'd say go for it. As it is, it seems a life of toil and meaninglessness is more appropriate IMO.

[smilingjack]

That is why I said:

be subjected to MEDICAL processes to get the truth from him whether he is guilty or now and if he is, fry him right away, not wait 20 years to do it while he has appeal afetr appeal. AT his victims expense.

Let a medical Dr. and a shrink use truth drugs to prove it one way or another, then fry them.

[smilingjack]

Just think how many homeless nd hungry we could help with the money we spend keeping prisoners on death row for 20 years while they appeal, appeal, appeal

[Bandit5906]

Just think how many homeless nd hungry we could help with the money we spend keeping prisoners on death row for 20 years while they appeal, appeal, appeal

The only problems with the death penalty are that it is not enforced enough. To be a deterrent it needs to be enforced, which means once convicted you don't sit in prison for 20+ years getting appeal after appeal.

Stanley did not repent and in fact dedicated his book(s) to other killers like the one in Philadelphia who killed officer Danny Faulkner. The four people he killed did not get the right of appeal did they?

In theory mili's description of what prison life should be like is good, but the ACLU would never allow it and so it is illegal to deprive a prisoner of his rights!

Stanley was a disgusting example of human life and the world is a much better place without him in it, IMHO!

[Hack@d]

I'd be fully in support of the death penalty if not for one thing. Our "justice" system is not infallable. So long as there's the possibility that an innocent person may be put to death, then the ultimate penalty is not an acceptable form of punishment. If there was some way to insure the person was guilty 100% of the time, then I'd say go for it. As it is, it seems a life of toil and meaninglessness is more appropriate IMO.

IMO even if an innocent is executed these are acceptable losses given the small numbers. I am 100% in favour of public executions and slow painful deaths.

[skinerd]

The good ole USA.......one of the few countries, civilized or not, that allow abortion and the death penality...both of which can or do thake the lives of innocent.
Is this a great country or what?

[smilingjack]

Aahh the great debate,

Would you like to sign up with the bleedin hearts against prisons and abortion to pay for the cost of keeping these "innocent" fed, clothed, housed and educated, medical bills (and locked up & guarded where necessary) etc and relieve the taxpayers of this burden.

Everyone who is against abortion should get a bill for every unwanted baby.

Everyone who is against death penalities should get a bill for every person left in death row 20 years, and as for the ones who are released for one reason or another, add the victums and suvivors costs when they kill again.


Along with the bills for the millions already in my pocket for their un-deserved welfare, food stamp, free medical and public housing so they can make more welfare babies to get a bigger check each month. FOR LIFE

I would like to STOP PAYING that bill myself.

Let them get a job and support themselves or freeze in the dark and starve if they are too lazy to work.

[mili]

I am lucky that nobody I knew was murdered ever but I got empathy and can imagine how I'd feel. I'd feel great if I knew that that person has a long, meaningless, boring and harsh life with much unpleasantries. The American justice system is a laughingstock around the world.
As to abortion, a zygota is not a person. Period. It is a collection of cells with no self consciousness.

mili

[skinerd]

So, we kill the babies for the conveince of society.,,,,,,,,,real nice society we have here no??

[mruk69]

I have one question this bastard is a moron for begging for his life. What about all the people he killed, I bet they begged him not to kill them. Did he listen?
Why do they have to wait for so many bloody years before they kill them, is ridiculous. Why the hell should me and you pay for him to wait. Hell taxes could be lowered if the prison system was self supported.
For victims sentenced to life they should repo everything and sell it. If the person was convicted of drugs, sell the dope and take his money to pay for his stay in prison. Make them pay their way into the system. I am sick and tired of paying for cunts who break the law and cannot live and enjoy life like normal law abiding citizens.

That brings up one more thing what the hell is "normal" anymore?

[smilingjack]

Look up what it costs to raise a welfare baby, and if it is a female baby don't forget to add on the cost of the 5 or 6 babies she will have too.
They start having them in high school to 'get their own (free) place to live and their own checks and food stamps'

[lefty]

Anyone here ever stared down the barrel of a gun waiting to die for a few bucks? I have, and when the shooting started they missed me and the guy behind me by mere inches. My wife has twice. They didn't shoot then, but it was armed robbery.

Anyone here lose a family member or even a good friend to murder? I have. The first there was never an arrest - ex girlfriend killed by a gunshot to the head by her current lover. They couldn't prove he did it.
My brother in law lost his brother when a guy hit him in the head with a shovel while working. No real reason, he was just a wierd dude. Chris died 5 weeks later. They guy only served the first night in jail for assault. They guy was never charged and is free to this day.

As for Tookie. Good riddance.

[Twostep]

Had a 6'6" Williams-looking dude jerk my car door open sitting at a red light about 8PM at night, demanding money for his "sick wife":rolleyes: - have no idea if he was armed or not. I just floored it and called the police. Might as well have called DishNet.

If an intruder is holding a knife to your daughter's throat and you're armed with a .357 and know how to use it, are you gonna shoot the guy? No brainer, right ? Well, guess what - you just carried out the death penalty. Only difference between what you just did and what they did to Williams is you saved the taxpayers 26 years of supporting the sonofabitch.

It's real easy - and understandable to a point - to be against the death penalty. However, I guarantee you that you'll change your mind when murder visits your doorstep. I say, try 'em, if they're convicted by a jury of their peers of 1st degree, premeditated murder, carry out the execution within 30 days and get it over with. The years of waiting just make it worse for everybody, particularly the families of the victims.

[mili]

Self defence from a clear and imminent threat is not the same as carrying out a death penealty.

mili

[Stout1]

Then there are the ones that "get off" on a technicality{sp?} There 100% guilty. Yet because someone somewhere didnt do something correctly, the criminal is set free. Where are the victims rights in all of this? There arent any. The criminal system protects the criminal much more than any victim, and that is a stone cold fact. If there found guilty, do whatever the law allows. Execution, jail, whatever.

[Bandit5906]

The good ole USA.......one of the few countries, civilized or not, that allow abortion and the death penality...both of which can or do thake the lives of innocent.
Is this a great country or what?

Especially when you can be convicted of the killing of an unborn fetus! But tell me who we have put to death since the Supreme Court ruled the the death penality was proper punishment: no one!

The main problem with the death penality (IMHO) is that it not a deterrant because it is rarely carried out: look at Moome abdrool Jamalwhatchyoufu*ker who killed officer Danny Faulkner. He walked right up to him for no reason and shot him in the head and he has had three trials, about one hundred appeals and been found guilty every time. Been on death row 23 years now and the courts may have just granted him another f**king trial. And Stanley Williams dedicated one of his books to Moome.

Enforce the death penality in a reasonable amount of time.

My father was murdered in 1963 by an escaped convict and the convict was never re-captured. My best friend (a young poloicemen, off-duty) was selling his car and at the guys house and the guy walked up behind him and blew his brains out. Two weeks before that he killed a Villanova Catholic priest: he wanted to see if it felt any different between killing a white and a black man (he was black, too). Life in prison! Weak ass DA.

[woods]

Interesting topic you opened up here mili. and as we are all seeing there is no clean cut answer. I personally think that if a person takes the life of someone else that they have no business living. Being a tax payier in a state that supports the death penelty do you think that i want joseph smith to be locked away for life for what he did to carlie bruccia? He murdered and raped her then dumped her a short distance from where i live. I have 2 young children, so that scares the crap out of me. And i surley do not want my children to have to pay for his incarceration when they are old enough to work. If you cold blooded kill then you as far as im concerned have forfeited your one life.

woods

[Just4FunNC]

It makes me feel sick that there is still such a thing as death penealty.
I don;t know about you but if someone kills another person in cold blood for monetary or sexual gains (s)he should be made to suffer for the rest of her/his life which should be a nice living hell. No TV no game just hard labor with nutricious but boring diet. Deprived of entertainment, perks and luxuries, just one long meaningless and boring and joyless existance so (s)he can remember the crime.
Executing people turns my stomach. Every person has one life, nobody not even a state has the right to take that away from a person. It is just plain wrong to force penitentary workers to take part in murdering another just cause the law says so no matter how much ritual is involved.
There is always the chance that the executed did not commit that crime and something may come up 10-20 years down the road that would vindicate him.
This Tookie dude is just one in many that gets killed off like a cockroach every day world wide in the name of justice and law. Makes me sick really.
mili


Tookie shot those people. He has never attoned for it. Sorry..but I say it's time to "fry Tookie, fry". If we had such a thing as "hard time" in prison I wouldn't believe in the death penalty. But we don't. They are nothing more than walls seperating them from the outside. Prisoners have "rights" (big eyeroll here). Just look at how big Tookie got from lifting weights in prison. Too bad all he'll get is the needle and go peacefully like a dog being euthanized. The people he killed and their loved ones got more pain than he'll ever know.

[gitmocap]

These opinions are interesting and I do not want to defend Williams, however, I feel the blood on my hands. How many people did the Governor's father kill or have killed? Gustav Swartzenegger joined the Nazi Party March 1, 1938. He was the leading Area Nazi Party governor most of his life. He had a reputation for his cruelty and ruthlessness. His son studied under his tutorage. Arnold has said in three magazine articles that he did not get along with his father or his philosophy. Yet in the lying speech [there were no tanks to threaten his father or uncle] at the Republican Nation Convention he talked about how close he was to his father and uncle. One Million a year to Simon Weisenthal and Marrying a Kennedy clears that mess up. Next, there is a group that is hell bent on proving that an "innocent" man was convicted by testimony from jailhouse snitches one of whom is willing to spill the beans. Americans are so screwed up that they will spend $300 billion + in Iraq and kill thousand of innocent people in their own land just because they can do it. They won't however spend the money to fix the electricity in New Oleans. As a veteran of Viet Nam we have the same thing situation happening now. We invade someone's homeland after picking a group of thugs we want to embrace, and kill off any resistance to those thugs. Like England invading the US and killing off all the Republicans because they like the philosophy of the Democrats. Has anyone considered how we tell an "insurgent" from a dumbass hardworking farmer who thinks he is protecting his family and his property? They through fear and intimidation profess to love Americans even after we have killed off their families and friends. These heros [our boys] today will be dog do do 15 years from now like Murtha and Kerry. We were spat on when we arrived in Spokane and when we came to California we found the people who were shooting at us running motels. They were the deprived that we needed to help and we were the sh*t to scrape off their shoes. Finally anyone who is willing to trust the US "Justice" system does not know anyone his has been a victim of it. I know scores.

[ferret6]

Prison and the death penalty will never be a deterent. Most people don't think about the consequences before they commit a crime. Unless the penalty for the crime is very horrible, nothing will deter crime. Public torture might work. Probably not though.

[Bandit5906]

These opinions are interesting and I do not want to defend Williams, however, I feel the blood on my hands. How many people did the Governor's father kill or have killed? Gustav Swartzenegger joined the Nazi Party March 1, 1938. He was the leading Area Nazi Party governor most of his life. He had a reputation for his cruelty and ruthlessness. His son studied under his tutorage. Arnold has said in three magazine articles that he did not get along with his father or his philosophy. Yet in the lying speech [there were no tanks to threaten his father or uncle] at the Republican Nation Convention he talked about how close he was to his father and uncle. One Million a year to Simon Weisenthal and Marrying a Kennedy clears that mess up. Next, there is a group that is hell bent on proving that an "innocent" man was convicted by testimony from jailhouse snitches one of whom is willing to spill the beans. Americans are so screwed up that they will spend $300 billion + in Iraq and kill thousand of innocent people in their own land just because they can do it. They won't however spend the money to fix the electricity in New Oleans. As a veteran of Viet Nam we have the same thing situation happening now. We invade someone's homeland after picking a group of thugs we want to embrace, and kill off any resistance to those thugs. Like England invading the US and killing off all the Republicans because they like the philosophy of the Democrats. Has anyone considered how we tell an "insurgent" from a dumbass hardworking farmer who thinks he is protecting his family and his property? They through fear and intimidation profess to love Americans even after we have killed off their families and friends. These heros [our boys] today will be dog do do 15 years from now like Murtha and Kerry. We were spat on when we arrived in Spokane and when we came to California we found the people who were shooting at us running motels. They were the deprived that we needed to help and we were the sh*t to scrape off their shoes. Finally anyone who is willing to trust the US "Justice" system does not know anyone his has been a victim of it. I know scores.

Not meaning to offend, but did you miss your last does of meds?

[gitmocap]

No but it was kind of catharic...Just fact

[smilingjack]

I still favor taking them apart for spare parts (organ donations)
They are usually young, strong and healthy when convicted.

Of course if you want them to suffer too, just use cuare instead of anistetic, it paralizes but does not stop the pain, and let them watch the parts being removed, that's a 'killer'

hehehe

[lefty]

I still favor taking them apart for spare parts (organ donations). They are usually young, strong and healthy when convicted. Of course if you want them to suffer too, just use cuare instead of anistetic, it paralizes but does not stop the pain, and let them watch the parts being removed, that's a 'killer' hehehe

That's almost as good as the noble Indians on the Texas Gulf coast.

They'd tie the captives up, and not kill them. They'd let them live while they cut off portions of the captives bodies, then cook and eat those parts in front of them! Now THAT'S torture. So much for the noble Indian of lore.

Kinda gets ya right here....don't it?

[smilingjack]

No wonder there are no indian casinos in Texas
They must have exterminated them cannibals
I think it's time for a snack, maybe some ribs or legs

[falcon_wt]

While we sympthasize with you, this sounds too much like you may be looking for revenge and anyone that helps you find him could be held legally responsible should something "happen" to this man. Sj

[mili]

This is terrible and totally senseless. Ignorant motherfucker. I wonder how he would have demonstrated the safety on a landmine.

mili

[Stocko]

I'm sorry for your loss. My Browser was shut down and I was locked out of my pc when I tried downloading this inmates photo. I xxxed out names, locations, schools of your family.

Stocko stay from that site, they may be monitoring it and you could wind up with some cops kicking in your door. Sj

[falcon_wt]

im not out for revenge, just answers, but how would you feel if your son or daughter was shot by someone and you cant even get answers to what happened, the man is being punished by the system, i just need to know what the man (?) that shot my son looks like. i think i deserve at least that much. to know that he looks like. not for revenge, just to have an idea of what the person that did this looks like. thanks for your replies falcon

[smilingjack]

Even U.C.M.J Courts martial trials / records are public records and there is no reason you can not get any non-classified information on your own from public records or by filing a freedom of information act request.
Coming to a place like this for information on U. S. Government records and information makes no sense.
It seems that there was adequate news coverage for you to find out anything you may want to know without involving this forum or it's members.

Sorry but we have enough people out to get us as it is without adding Homeland security to the list.

[Stocko]

SmilingJack is spot on correct here. All that I've read on this matter is publicly available and queries should be made through the proper channels. Tragedy has touched your lives and no amount of data will speed up the grieving process that you and yours will have to go through.

Stocko

[falcon_wt]

i have requested the cid investigation and court records of the events that led to my sons death, and i will receive them when they are avaliable ( it has been close to 7 months) i am not asking for the records from this forum, i only asked if anyone had access to a picture , that i would like to see a picture of the man. as far as homeland security, my son died defending this country, i believe in america and what it stands for. i raised my son to believe in freedon and our constutional rights, thats what it is all about. i hope someone will send me a picture or information where i can get one myself. respectfully falcon_wt

[Dish_Ninja]

I am lucky that nobody I knew was murdered ever but I got empathy and can imagine how I'd feel. I'd feel great if I knew that that person has a long, meaningless, boring and harsh life with much unpleasantries. The American justice system is a laughingstock around the world.
As to abortion, a zygota is not a person. Period. It is a collection of cells with no self consciousness.

mili

the only problem with this is that prison life is better then many had on the streets. I respect your opinion but have to disagree. I strongly suport the death penalty, and agree with SJ that a few appeals is one thing but 20 years of it, use truth drugs and find out !!

just my 2cents

[wanabee]

I Believe In The Death Penealty Fair And Simply A Foot For A Foot

[keltic]

I don't know how I missed this topic but what a can of worms it is. The death penalty and Tookie. The slime ball only got a little taste of what he deserved. Matter of fact, the needle was to good for his sorry ass. So he wrote a few childrens books and got morons like JJ to say he was reformed and deserved a chance. Show me where that did anything to relieve the loss of the family and friends of those he murdered? What Mili suggested would be fine if it could be carried out and include torturing the bast**ds every day in a manner that would befit the crime. But as we all know there are too many bleeding hearts out there that would protest and sue at the drop of a hat because we were denying the convicted of their civil rights. The way I see it they have no civil rights. Why should we worry about them getting humane treatment when they didn't give a crap about the treatment of their victims. I have to agree with SJ on this one, too many appeals and too long of a process before execution. Start executing the bast**ds in a timely manner, include the rapist and child molesters as being eligible for the death penalty, bring back methods like hanging (One rope is cheaper then the needles, drugs and the doctor that administers it) and the firing squad (same as before, bullets and powder are relatively inexpensive). Then you have the death penalty being a deterrent and fiscally sound weapon in the fight against crime.

I don't know how abortion got brought into this but it seems to me those against the death penalty would also be against abortion but that is usually not the case. Abortion is a real waste of human life in my book. I will never understand how someone can defend the right to life of a murdering thug like Tookie but think that aborting a child is a good thing. To me that's a complete contradiction of values. I understand SJ's thoughts on welfare and us having to pay because the dead beats refuse to work. But instead of abortion I say spay and neuter the repeat offenders. If they don't have the brains or desire to use protection then forced sterilization should be an alternative. But, then again you would have the bleeding hearts stepping up and throwing a fit about that to.