jimyt
12-20-2005, 03:53 PM
Well thanks to all who helped me with this nightmare of getting my EMU up and running. I had several problems, worst being a couple of bad connections on my 2 chip emu. If I had just been building a new one instead of using this one that's been in a junk box, I would have been done a lot faster.
I had only the w32 cemu and I couldn't get anything but non-encrypted stuff no matter how hard I tried with the 1 or the 2 chip EMU's. I was certain it needed the keys changed, but when I managed that, (so simple I was looking over the answer) still only previews......
I finally got the DOS CEMU and could boot off a floppy and actually run CEMU without the DMPI error, and the 1 chip was the first to work, finally TV!! PPV's WOW! like old times. But it was glitchy, and I would have to re-boot every 1/2 hour or so, I kept working at it, and when I found and fixed the 2 bad connections on the 2 chip EMU, WOW it was great, even the w32 CEMU started working windoze (it would only get Previews before), in fact I tested it for 2 hours on the 2 chip in windoze, not a problem. But for simplicity I went to the DOS CEMU on a floppy and saved a hard drive for more important uses and of course the 1 chip is a museum piece. Something to use to show people what not to build :-)
I did learn a few things. If you're trying to get your EMU going and it won't work you can easily tell what side the problem is on and just that info helps a lot to narrow it down,
After you see it's not working and get the card error, unplug the EMU from the IRD (I was using an old bootloader board till I got things working) when the DN screen comes up, if you see as your CamID S0000000000000 and the bin is blank, the problem is between the IRD and the EMU. I found this by luck, one connection was on one side and the other was on the serial port side. When I fixed the EMU to IRD side, I would still get the card error. However when I unplugged the EMU, the DN screen came up and viola, I have a cam ID and there is DN101 bin there are pretty as you please, and before there were only zeros in the cam and the bin line was blank telling me the problem then was on then IRD side, where I did find a bad connection. When I fired it back up and saw the CAM ID and Bin I knew the IRD was talkin the EMU so I got to looking from the serial port to the EMU and sure enough, in the DB9 connector there was a bad connection, hangin on barely and probably shorting out to the pin beside it, once i soldered and taped it up, she took off like a rocket on the 2 chip. Now if you use this method the troubleshoot, be sure and unplug the IRD from the power after each try, or you'll see the same cam ID and bin, unplug it to be sure you are seeing what you think you are seeing.
Since I found the DOS version and got all this mess fixed, I have tested with the one chip and the 2 chip, and I tell you, there is no comparision, the 1 chip is a little shaky. It's not only a matter of pushing the chip past it's limits, it simply doesn't perform (at least not these days) anywhere close to a 2 chip. I would love to know if anyone has had any longterm success with a one chip using N2, what IRD, etc...
I did see one thing that I figured out an easier way to do, this was one thing that was stated erroniously as ruining the Dish.bin if you opened it as a Rom10 in NE, but yes you CAN open the dish.bin in NiagraEdit and yes you can tell it that you have a Rom10 and there are the keys right on the line D860 and 870. You can copy the last 13 on 860 and the first 3 on 870, simple copy and paste, only takes seconds in notepad.
However you can avoid having to rename files because of the extensions Niagra puts on them (and maybe other things you don't want or need too) by this simple process, after you edit the dish.bin, click save as, and in the save as file type drop down box, just select "all files" and just name it dish or simply single click on the dish file you are replacing and it will write over the old one as pretty as you please no renaming no fuss no muss no renaming, less chance for error.
I heard and read so much stuff that contradicted each other, I felt obligated to type out my experiences. If it helps one person it was worth it. I read all sorts of stuff.
I was told I had to enter TZ, and the Zip and all that had to be done in NiagraEdit, nope that is not true at all.
I just wanted to write this out to hopefully save someone the nightmare I went thru. I was told the keys were in the eeprom in the IRD, in the Dish.bin (they are) and the Rom10 bin, I was told you could only put in the new keys with a hex editor or you'd ruin the CEMU bin. Wrong again. Niagra was the only way I was able to enter the lastests keys
And to the gentleman I told I would publicly praise if I could get the keys in via NiagaEdit (I really thought that would mess up the bin), but I can't do that since you were only 1/2 right, you said "they are not telling you what you should already know, you have to set TZ and Zip codes in Niagra" Wrong, like one fellow said correctly, no need for TZ's, Zips'. CamID's. it gets them all from the dish.bin, that is a fact.
Man I am just glad this is over. Gonna flip thru some channels, it's been up a good 4 hours or more :-)
Also I just found 2 good rom 10's. Are they worth messing with since the EMU is 100% or should I use them for ice scrapers?? Seems like I read something about people were using plastic again.
Thanks to all, quite a fine group of people here. I am not trying to trash anyone or be a know-it-all, far from it, the purpose of these forums is for the exchange of information.
Merry Christmas to all!
Jimyt
I had only the w32 cemu and I couldn't get anything but non-encrypted stuff no matter how hard I tried with the 1 or the 2 chip EMU's. I was certain it needed the keys changed, but when I managed that, (so simple I was looking over the answer) still only previews......
I finally got the DOS CEMU and could boot off a floppy and actually run CEMU without the DMPI error, and the 1 chip was the first to work, finally TV!! PPV's WOW! like old times. But it was glitchy, and I would have to re-boot every 1/2 hour or so, I kept working at it, and when I found and fixed the 2 bad connections on the 2 chip EMU, WOW it was great, even the w32 CEMU started working windoze (it would only get Previews before), in fact I tested it for 2 hours on the 2 chip in windoze, not a problem. But for simplicity I went to the DOS CEMU on a floppy and saved a hard drive for more important uses and of course the 1 chip is a museum piece. Something to use to show people what not to build :-)
I did learn a few things. If you're trying to get your EMU going and it won't work you can easily tell what side the problem is on and just that info helps a lot to narrow it down,
After you see it's not working and get the card error, unplug the EMU from the IRD (I was using an old bootloader board till I got things working) when the DN screen comes up, if you see as your CamID S0000000000000 and the bin is blank, the problem is between the IRD and the EMU. I found this by luck, one connection was on one side and the other was on the serial port side. When I fixed the EMU to IRD side, I would still get the card error. However when I unplugged the EMU, the DN screen came up and viola, I have a cam ID and there is DN101 bin there are pretty as you please, and before there were only zeros in the cam and the bin line was blank telling me the problem then was on then IRD side, where I did find a bad connection. When I fired it back up and saw the CAM ID and Bin I knew the IRD was talkin the EMU so I got to looking from the serial port to the EMU and sure enough, in the DB9 connector there was a bad connection, hangin on barely and probably shorting out to the pin beside it, once i soldered and taped it up, she took off like a rocket on the 2 chip. Now if you use this method the troubleshoot, be sure and unplug the IRD from the power after each try, or you'll see the same cam ID and bin, unplug it to be sure you are seeing what you think you are seeing.
Since I found the DOS version and got all this mess fixed, I have tested with the one chip and the 2 chip, and I tell you, there is no comparision, the 1 chip is a little shaky. It's not only a matter of pushing the chip past it's limits, it simply doesn't perform (at least not these days) anywhere close to a 2 chip. I would love to know if anyone has had any longterm success with a one chip using N2, what IRD, etc...
I did see one thing that I figured out an easier way to do, this was one thing that was stated erroniously as ruining the Dish.bin if you opened it as a Rom10 in NE, but yes you CAN open the dish.bin in NiagraEdit and yes you can tell it that you have a Rom10 and there are the keys right on the line D860 and 870. You can copy the last 13 on 860 and the first 3 on 870, simple copy and paste, only takes seconds in notepad.
However you can avoid having to rename files because of the extensions Niagra puts on them (and maybe other things you don't want or need too) by this simple process, after you edit the dish.bin, click save as, and in the save as file type drop down box, just select "all files" and just name it dish or simply single click on the dish file you are replacing and it will write over the old one as pretty as you please no renaming no fuss no muss no renaming, less chance for error.
I heard and read so much stuff that contradicted each other, I felt obligated to type out my experiences. If it helps one person it was worth it. I read all sorts of stuff.
I was told I had to enter TZ, and the Zip and all that had to be done in NiagraEdit, nope that is not true at all.
I just wanted to write this out to hopefully save someone the nightmare I went thru. I was told the keys were in the eeprom in the IRD, in the Dish.bin (they are) and the Rom10 bin, I was told you could only put in the new keys with a hex editor or you'd ruin the CEMU bin. Wrong again. Niagra was the only way I was able to enter the lastests keys
And to the gentleman I told I would publicly praise if I could get the keys in via NiagaEdit (I really thought that would mess up the bin), but I can't do that since you were only 1/2 right, you said "they are not telling you what you should already know, you have to set TZ and Zip codes in Niagra" Wrong, like one fellow said correctly, no need for TZ's, Zips'. CamID's. it gets them all from the dish.bin, that is a fact.
Man I am just glad this is over. Gonna flip thru some channels, it's been up a good 4 hours or more :-)
Also I just found 2 good rom 10's. Are they worth messing with since the EMU is 100% or should I use them for ice scrapers?? Seems like I read something about people were using plastic again.
Thanks to all, quite a fine group of people here. I am not trying to trash anyone or be a know-it-all, far from it, the purpose of these forums is for the exchange of information.
Merry Christmas to all!
Jimyt