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JT
12-22-2005, 12:28 PM
Intelligent design doesn't make the grade

By MARTHA RAFFAELE
of the Associated Press

HARRISBURG, Pa. -- Evolution prevailed over "intelligent design" in a courtroom contest of survival of the fittest.

In a remarkably stinging decision, a federal judge ruled Tuesday that intelligent design is not science but religion in disguise, and he barred a Pennsylvania public school district from teaching the concept to high school biology students.

The ruling was a major setback for the intelligent design movement, which holds that living organisms are so complex that they must have been created by some kind of higher force.

The case was one of the biggest courtroom clashes between faith and evolution since the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III came down firmly on the side of evolution, delivering a stern rebuke to the Dover school board. He said its first-in-the-nation decision in October 2004 to insert intelligent design into the science curriculum violated the constitutional separation of church and state.

He decried the "breathtaking inanity" of the policy and accused several board members of lying to conceal their true motive, which he said was to promote religion.

A six-week trial over the issue yielded "overwhelming evidence" establishing that intelligent design "is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory," said Jones, a Republican and a churchgoer appointed to the federal bench three years ago.

The school system said it will probably not appeal the ruling, because several members who backed intelligent design were ousted in November's elections and replaced with a new slate opposed to the policy.

During the trial, the board argued that it was trying to improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection.

The policy required students to hear a statement about intelligent design before ninth-grade lessons on evolution. The statement said Darwin's theory is "not a fact" and has inexplicable "gaps." It referred students to an intelligent-design textbook, "Of Pandas and People."

But the judge said: "We find that the secular purposes claimed by the board amount to a pretext for the board's real purpose, which was to promote religion in the public school classroom."

In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that states cannot require public schools to balance evolution lessons by teaching creationism.

Eric Rothschild, an attorney for the families who challenged the policy, called the ruling "a real vindication for the parents who had the courage to stand up and say there was something wrong in their school district."

Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center in Ann Arbor, Mich., which represented the school district and describes its mission as defending the religious freedom of Christians, said the ruling appears to be "an ad hominem attack on scientists who happen to believe in God."

It was the latest chapter in a debate over the teaching of evolution dating back to the Scopes trial, in which Tennessee biology teacher John T. Scopes was fined $100 for violating a state law against teaching evolution.

Earlier this month, a federal appeals court in Georgia heard arguments over whether a suburban Atlanta school district had the right to put stickers on biology textbooks describing evolution as a theory, not fact. A federal judge last January ordered the stickers removed.

In November, state education officials in Kansas adopted new classroom science standards that call the theory of evolution into question.

President Bush also weighed in on the issue of intelligent design recently, saying schools should present the concept when teaching about the origins of life.

In his ruling, Jones said that while intelligent design, or ID, arguments "may be true, a proposition on which the court takes no position, ID is not science." Among other things, he said intelligent design "violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation"; it relies on "flawed and illogical" arguments; and its attacks on evolution "have been refuted by the scientific community."

"The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources," he wrote.

The judge also said: "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

Former school board member William Buckingham, who advanced the policy, said from his new home in Mount Airy, N.C., that he still feels the board did the right thing.

"I'm still waiting for a judge or anyone to show me anywhere in the Constitution where there's a separation of church and state," he said. "We didn't lose; we were robbed."

The controversy divided Dover and surrounding Dover Township, a rural area of nearly 20,000 residents about 20 miles south of Harrisburg. It galvanized voters to oust school board members who supported the policy in the Nov. 8 school board election.

The new school board president, Bernadette Reinking, said the board intends to remove intelligent design from the science curriculum and place it in an elective social studies class. "As far as I can tell you, there is no intent to appeal," she said.

fubr
12-22-2005, 09:17 PM
Is this a companion thread for the idiots who condone people thread? :)

Anyway the court also says that killing unborn babies is ok and for two fags to be married is ok so they are not always the sharpest at making decisions.

JT
12-22-2005, 09:38 PM
Unborn babies have no rights. Your not a person until your in the phone book. If fags want to get married it's their perogative. Doesn't effect me one way or another. Myself I don't understand why men and women would want to wed. Abortion is a far better alternative to bringing an unwanted or financially unsupportted child into the world.:eek: :D

fubr
12-22-2005, 09:51 PM
right unborn children have no rights (yet) but if given the chance they will have rights after birth. A medical abortion is different than plain ole selfishness. The problem with that occurs when the dumb ass people have sex knowing they are to stupid or cannot afford children. But they should deal with it instead of killing a soon to be human being whether that fetus was created by ID or if it evolved from years of some slut having unprotected sex.

As for the fags yes if they want to they should but to make a law saying I have to recognize them as married is not right. I may want to rub shit on my face and go to the mall and masturbate in public because I am "different" but there should be no law that says you got to watch..
Hey if they are gay fine but keep the shit out of the public eye this world is becoming far to tolerant and insensitive.

On a side note I have had a queer friend but he never rubbed it in my face or even mentioned it and as long as it stayed that way we worked together fine and I even kinda liked the guy. He was a respectful homo and I respected him back by not ever talking about it in front of him as he did me too.
I just wished he would not have stared at my ass so much lol Now I know how women feel :)

keltic
12-23-2005, 12:54 AM
Unborn babies have no rights. Your not a person until your in the phone book.

That is how it seems in today’s society but that doesn’t make it right. Nothing more precious or innocent then holding your newborn child for the first time.

If fags want to get married it's their perogative. Doesn't effect me one way or another. Myself I don't understand why men and women would want to wed.
Cant see how bumping uglys could turn anyone on
Abortion is a far better alternative to bringing an unwanted or financially unsupportted child into the world.:eek: :D
There are other options available like adoption, birth control, and in some cases sterilization. Let’s face it, we have people breeding that shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

As you can tell, I do not support most abortion. Nevertheless, I do see where there are cases that you cant deny a woman the right, like in incest, rape, and the life of the mother being at stake.

JT
12-23-2005, 01:26 AM
I don't support abortion or gays either....(unless we're talking lezbians :)) IMO a responsible person doesn't participate in either activity. Just saying niether activity effects my narrow minded existance.

fubr
12-23-2005, 06:18 AM
I don't support abortion or gays either....(unless we're talking lezbians :)) IMO a responsible person doesn't participate in either activity. Just saying niether activity effects my narrow minded existance.
yep your right nothing wrong with a carpet muncher, double standard,, uhhh yes
I just wished porno's would get rid of the actors and have real women do it for awhile

JT
12-23-2005, 08:59 AM
yep your right nothing wrong with a carpet muncher, double standard,, uhhh yes
I just wished porno's would get rid of the actors and have real women do it for awhile

I agree. Probably spent too much time watching porno and sitting in the closest chair at the titty bar, but that plastic boob job, plastic face and caked on make up gets old fast. I'd rather see someone who looks like a real person even if their somewhat less than perfect....I can relate to being less than perfect.:eek: :p

Trapofmind
12-24-2005, 11:23 PM
Monkey Theory Proven Wrong

by Brian Bernbaum
May 9, 2003

LONDON - Give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, the theory goes, and they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare.

Researchers at Plymouth University in England reported this week that primates left alone with a computer attacked the machine and failed to produce a single word.

A group of faculty and students in the university's media program left a computer in the monkey enclosure at Paignton Zoo in southwest England, home to six Sulawesi crested macaques. Then, they waited.

At first, said researcher Mike Phillips, the lead male got a stone and started bashing the hell out of it.

Another thing they were interested in was in defecating and urinating all over the keyboard, added Phillips, who runs the university's Institute of Digital Arts and Technologies.

Eventually, monkeys Elmo, Gum, Heather, Holly, Mistletoe and Rowan produced five pages of text, composed primarily of the letter S. Later, the letters A, J, L and M crept in not quite literature.

The notion that monkeys typing at random will eventually produce literature is often attributed to Thomas Huxley, a 19th-century scientist who supported Charles Darwin's theories of evolution. Mathematicians have also used it to illustrate concepts of chance.

The Plymouth experiment was part of the Vivaria Project, which plans to install computers in zoos across Europe to study differences between animal and artificial life.

They were quite interested in the screen, and they saw that when they typed a letter, something happened. There was a level of intention there.

Fluffy
12-25-2005, 02:15 AM
I personally don't believe in abortion as an answer to population control, or unwanted pregnancies.
As Fubr pointed out, people who are so stupid as to have unprotected sex and know they can't afford a child, puts that life in a bio waste receptacle because they decided not to strain a few brain cells in thinking what could happen.

As for JT not caring if gays get married or not....you better care. If not because of morality or religious views, then make it because of financial ones.

Imagine the massive cost to State/Provincial benefit plans, Companies Health/Retirement Plans, CPP/Social Security, Health Care Premiums, Wills/Estate fights, contesting Power of Attorney, etc. etc.

All this will affect the rest of us. Everyone, young or old, straight or gay, rich or poor will pay some amount of money for this.

My 2 cents, I don't expect any change. :)

Fluffy.
P.S. Enjoy some Crown Royal this Christmas. My Pic shows my favourite. :)



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JT,
Unborn babies have no rights. Your not a person until your in the phone book. If fags want to get married it's their perogative. Doesn't effect me one way or another. Myself I don't understand why men and women would want to wed. Abortion is a far better alternative to bringing an unwanted or financially unsupportted child into the world.
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Fluffy
12-25-2005, 02:21 AM
Here it is. :)
Fluffy.
www.
ca.crownroyal.com/limitedEdition.php

smilingjack
12-25-2005, 03:22 AM
I personally don't believe in abortion as an answer to population control, or unwanted pregnancies.
As Fubr pointed out, people who are so stupid as to have unprotected sex and know they can't afford a child, puts that life in a bio waste receptacle because they decided not to strain a few brain cells in thinking what could happen.
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So just what do you suggest
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They refuse to use birth control
Sterilazation ?
That has been tried with a lot of bad publicity.
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Let them starve in the dark ?
That happens all over the world
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However the U. S. and other country's insists in feeding, clothing, medicating, and educating them and usually imprisoning them eventually if they do not pay them to 'retire' after a lifetime of collecting welfare.
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AT other people's expense. (ours)
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If we can not prevent pregenancies or abort unwanted ones, should we just kill them at birth ? or do we always have to wait until we have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in them and they rape, rob and kill a few dozen taxpayers first before we imprison or execute them.
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My way, to assign all unwanted babies to anti-abortion supporters for lifetime care. is more humane
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But I would not have any problem with killing them after they are born if no one wants them. That is a old Greek solution, set the weak and unwanted out on the hill to sink or swim on their own (romulus & remus)

Mimic
12-25-2005, 03:26 AM
Intelligent Design people killing other people over religious beliefs and they want to call it intelligent

smilingjack
12-25-2005, 03:32 AM
More people have been killed in the name of one god of another than for all other reasons combined.

(not counting the people the bible says god killed himself, he does not like people, I would suggest looking for ways to stop or destroy him myself, I don't want to be next on his hit list or around for no second fucking comings)

Fluffy
12-25-2005, 05:16 AM
OUCH SJ,
Where you found as a baby in an adoption center? :)

To quote Donald Sutherland in "Kelly's Hero's",
"What negative waves Man!"

I guess this pic sums it up huh? LET'S JUST END IT ALL!!! :)

Fluffy.
P.S. I wasn't trying to debate with you aspects of population control, that is up to personal opinion. I was just making some points concerning the complexity of a problem which need not exist if immature people thought twice before unzipping their flies.

smilingjack
12-25-2005, 05:26 AM
The problem isbetween the church against birth control.
The chinese government in favor of more chineese.
Tribal and inherent urges to reporduce.

Many countrys like somalia are breeding themselves into starvation REGUALRY
The chinese have always wanted men so they encourage breeding then kill the females.
The church just wants more churchgoers to pass the collection plate to.

And we are forced to pay half of what we make to the government support them welfare freeloaders and the wars we keep getting into (or feeding undeserving breeders who bred themselves out of bread again)

There needs to be some kind of solution or it will come to your pictures answer.
Or civil war between the taxpayers and the welfare recipents

Twostep
12-25-2005, 07:19 AM
he does not like people, I would suggest looking for ways to stop or destroy him myself

Damn, SJ, I was about to wish you Merry Christmas - instead I think I'll just FedEX an AK47 so tomorrow morning you can pump about 50 rounds into your closest church:(

You could start with the nursery:eek:

smilingjack
12-25-2005, 07:27 AM
Where did you find a 50 round clip the biggest I can find is a 40 for mine.

I do have a 150 drum mag for my M-16. Bitch to load but it wails.

But for churches, napalm is the thing, a good old fashioned flamethrower

Twostep
12-25-2005, 08:54 AM
Please excuse my inexperience with AK's....I was a gunner on an 8 inch howitzer; we didn't fuck with the little stuff:D

In any case, I'll send two clips so you can get your 50:)

Go to bed, SJ, and Merry Christmas anyway. You deserve for someone to say something nice, after that little rumble over at Rom10X....:eek: I've tussled with every one of those morons back during my heyday, and you might as well argue with a stump. A band of total losers, not worth the wear on your keyboard.

Fluffy
12-25-2005, 09:19 AM
Well, I was going to wish you a Merry Christmas too, but I think you'd throw your lump of coal at me! :)

Here's some pics that pretty much describes SJ's demeaner right now.

Fluffy.

smilingjack
12-25-2005, 05:56 PM
But this thread and that thread passes the time when things are slow.
Dosen't have to make sense, be logicial, or even truthful.
These arguments can be fun and lets people express stupid opinions and frustrations. And lets others poke fun at them. Even our 'friends' from MCS.