Just about to throw towel in.

[frei]

Well I have spent 3 days trying to get my emulator going I have read and read and it seems that there is conflicting stories. If anyone is interested here is my story (any help appreciated) I am a old dish emulator (N1) so I already had my setup. Here is my problem.
Equip
2700 IRD
Max Mel wired into the IRD
Computer

Here is how it started I read my TSop and saved it. I then opened Flashedit and opened my tsop and applied the RSA fix checked CRC fix. I then loaded back into my IRD. I then used a looper with XTatmel and loaded the 2chipv7 program in the Atmel on my maxmel. I started Cemu and immediately got all kinds of unknown commands but on the Video out I got card not authorized after trying and trying I changed the 2313 program to 1chipv7 now nothing not data on cemu just starts and nothing also the 019 message on video out. Where did I go wrong? I think I will have tostart over.

[DoubtingThomas]

Well I have spent 3 days trying to get my emulator going I have read and read and it seems that there is conflicting stories. If anyone is interested here is my story (any help appreciated) I am a old dish emulator (N1) so I already had my setup. Here is my problem.
Equip
2700 IRD
Max Mel wired into the IRD
Computer

Here is how it started I read my TSop and saved it. I then opened Flashedit and opened my tsop and applied the RSA fix checked CRC fix. I then loaded back into my IRD. I then used a looper with XTatmel and loaded the 2chipv7 program in the Atmel on my maxmel. I started Cemu and immediately got all kinds of unknown commands but on the Video out I got card not authorized after trying and trying I changed the 2313 program to 1chipv7 now nothing not data on cemu just starts and nothing also the 019 message on video out. Where did I go wrong? I think I will have tostart over.

First if you are using yoru own TSOP then you MUST

Receiver 0162B382 which is R0023245698-16
Box Keys 87382EC5ACC1947E

Do this in flashedit and MAKE sure to check FIX CRC.
Then apply the RSA patch save that and flash the TSOP to your receiver. You may have to build a cheap Atmel Programmer like I did. I was using an old unlooper and the flash for the 1chip EMU seem to go ok but I kept getting a "SmartCard not inserted properly" error on the receiver. Once I built the programmer the problem disappeared.

[Skippyboy]

Do this in flashedit and MAKE sure to check FIX CRC.
Then apply the RSA patch save that and flash the TSOP to your receiver. You may have to build a cheap Atmel Programmer like I did. I was using an old unlooper and the flash for the 1chip EMU seem to go ok but I kept getting a "SmartCard not inserted properly" error on the receiver. Once I built the programmer the problem disappeared.


Here is my question - I am trying to build a cheap Atmel Programmer. I follow all the schmatics as best I can and Jeepers keeps saying "Cannot enter Programming mode"

What am I doing wrong? I am going NUTS!!!

[BGW]

frei,
Change your atmel flash back to the 2-chip version if you're using a maxim chip. The 1-chip flash will NOT work on a max/mel setup.
Regards,
BGW

[frei]

Okay, someone if you would refresh me on how to get the most current firmware for my IRD. I remember erasing a certain area of my memory then putting it in the stream and it updated just can't remember what part and the steps. Also what is the deal with the eeprom on the IRD don't remember ever changing any part of this and where do I get the data for this item. Again any info would be appreciated and extremly thankful.

Frei

[frei]

Wow. Something is better than nothing I have channel 100. I can also see the guide for all of the other channels but No Audio or Video All you gurus out there have any idea of a direction that I should go in My software version is 834PCoda-N Also it says on the info screen DNASP101 Rev007 It is also showing a card ID and Receiver ID Any help appreciated.

Frei

[cancom]

Here is my question - I am trying to build a cheap Atmel Programmer. I follow all the schmatics as best I can and Jeepers keeps saying "Cannot enter Programming mode"

What am I doing wrong? I am going NUTS!!!

If you built a simple programmer [1 db25 & 3 220ohm resistors] you must use FBPRG16 from a bootable floppy disk in Drive A.

[jimyt]

I have the same thing, 3, 220 ohm resistors, 1, 25 pin connector, 1, 20pin IC socket and 3 or 4 jumpers on a small perf board from Rat Shack and you have an A1 Atmel programmer for probably less than 10 bucks, one of my favorite toys and one of the easiest to build, it shouldn't take an hour to build one with NO soldering skills. I built mine many years ago so I don't have a schematic handy but there should be one in the files section. I don't even recall ever having a read or a write error on this one.

I used to use it in DOS in the old days, but when I dusted it off last week to build my current EMU it worked fine in Windoze with Jeepers, I just did a Full Monty and it erased the atmel, then clicked on Atmel and Flash and then selected the 2 chip hex (or 1 chip if that's what you are using) that comes in the CEMU.RAR file and mine worked fine.

Good luck

[frei]

Wow. Something is better than nothing I have channel 100. I can also see the guide for all of the other channels but No Audio or Video All you gurus out there have any idea of a direction that I should go in My software version is 834PCoda-N Also it says on the info screen DNASP101 Rev007 It is also showing a card ID and Receiver ID Any help appreciated.

Frei

[frei]

I am at wits end any help appreciated, Here is where I am at I have all the channels on the guide but with no audio or video I get the free channes 101 etc. I have loaded the new key a couple of times and I even erased SA5 and let it get the new software I then went into flash edit applied the script and saved it back to IRD no change still no a/v but freebies. If anyone out there has a 2700 working with this setup let me know. I am trying to determine if it is a tier problem, key problem or TSOP problem. Thanks in advance...

Frei

[spacecowboy]

Your best bet is to go into the Tsop bank and find a flash that fits your unit. They have them that are already modded for you. Just look for the right build. Write that to your receiver and you should be all set........ GL

[cancom]

Yes, good point spacecowboy.

A lot of guys are attempting to alter the TSOP flash that has already been modded for you. Leave it alone!

Also, get the build # from the sticker inside the IRD and NOT off the TV screen or Jkeys. It may have been flashed with who knows what build for N1 and that will not work.

cancom

[HotRodTodd]

I just did a Full Monty
LMFAO !
Sorry but i have to ask, WHAT THE FUCK IS A FULL MONTY ?
Does that mean you danced around naked till it worked or what ?:D

[cancom]

LOL. Full Monty is the whole TSOP.

[BGW]

Guys, this thread keeps getting away from frei's problem......
frei,
I think that if you're getting a good guide, with no video on sub channels, you need to look at a couple of things:
First of all, I think your TSOP is okay. Leave it alone for now.
Next, the atmel chip might communictate with your IRD, even if the wrong or a corrupt flash is applied to it. That can cause all kinds of problems.
Try re-flashing with a known-good hex file for your type of EMU board. (either the one, or two-chip version)
After that, find out how to patch the correct (current) key numbers to your rom10.bin file.
You can use a text editor, such as notepad, or let nagraedit do it for you.
There's lots of instructions out there.
Let us know if you have a problem with it.
BTW, I think "full monty" refers to a 3m that's applied to a card image......
Regards to all,
BGW

[veronica]

Hello, I'm having almost the same problem as frei. I modded my tsop, flashed back to 4900 IRD, flashed atmel (one chip untill real one arrives - thanks cancom) but now I'm confused as to which files must be modified. I tried to open rom10.bin in nagraedit to changes to current keys and I got errors and when I change keys on lines D860 & D870 this causes cemu to not open at all. How do I change keys in rom10.bin? According to jimyt the keys are in the dish.bin file. I have opened this file and added keys plus other info but still only free channels. I also tried editing CEMU configuration file (by removing some #'s) but this doesn't help either. Then there is configuration file called KEYS but it is just blank. Yes, there is a lot of conflicting info out there. If someone could clear it up would be much appreciated.

[frei]

Great to get back to the subject, Well update I finally tried several different atmel flashes but no help. Just out of interest I tried different TSOP flashes and WaLa I have sound and video. Now to clear the matter What I am using is not a maxmel board but a 1459 Mel board. Now as far as the atmel goes almost any of the 2 chip versions allowed com between the IRD and Comp. Now the Black Screen and Red guide was cleared up by a clean modded TSOP flash but now more problems. After about 2-3 hours I go into the unsubbed nag. I can clear this out by rebooting comp and IRD. I have read on several post that the Atmel is the problem but I have searched everywhere for a possible answer but can only find what I believe to be 2 different atmel 2 chip programs (this is based on the date and time the programs were written because there are several different names.) Or could there be some other issue always questions from me very few answers. Now BTW you say modify the rom10.bin with the new keys other places say modify the dish.bin with the new keys. I have already patched the Dish.bin maybe I should just patch both. Maybe I am just thinking out loud. Maybe I should keep plugging and Not throw in the towel. Maybe I should read some more (I have been doing emu since back in the Dave days and this is the most I have been confused RIP h&HU stream) Maybe since I was working on this at Midnight on New Years Eve I will work on this hobby the entire year. Maybe I should go to bed and just think tomorrow is a new day and a new year. As usual any help/ideas would be greatly appreciated.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Frei

[veronica]

I read that the dish.bin and rom10.bin should be used 'as is' which I guess means they've already been modified with the correct info including bk, ird# and 3m patch??? I went to dish10x dot com and found a program called KEYEDT which changes the keys without all the confusion (that stuff about line D863 and putting the keys in manually may be different for dish and bev which adds to the confusion). I read that the atmel flash could be bad but like you, frei, many have tried reflashing with no luck. As to modifying a TSOP they say get one that's already modified or if you modify your own then you should fix the CRC with IRDr (...whatever that is). I read that there is a bad version of cemu.exe going around and that that is the cause of the trouble. I also read that you need the DOS version of cemu and it needs to be on a floppy instead of from windoze as slow computer performance is the problem. So, as I understand it it can be just about anything and when you've tried it all then it's time to start over with fresh files and that could fix it. So, if that don't work would sacrificing a goat help? Sorry for all these dumb cemu questions and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[CyberTivo]

I, like Frei and Veronica, have never had so much trouble emulating. I have been doing it since 2000.

My symptoms are different. I get "aquiring satellite information" forever. I found my 2800 CSC file in the TSOP bank. Tried with and without the patch, and with changing the IRD number and not. Same symptoms. One other thing, when I pull the card the sys info screen shows software versions with a CAJA in them. My sticker on the board is CSC. Should they match?

Any ideas?

[cancom]

I, like Frei and Veronica, have never had so much trouble emulating. I have been doing it since 2000.

My symptoms are different. I get "aquiring satellite information" forever. I found my 2800 CSC file in the TSOP bank. Tried with and without the patch, and with changing the IRD number and not. Same symptoms. One other thing, when I pull the card the sys info screen shows software versions with a CAJA in them. My sticker on the board is CSC. Should they match?

Any ideas?

The modded TSOPs are very picky about model/build and some testing receivers have been zapped with numerous flashes over the years....lol. Use the build from the tag inside the IRD and try to match at least the first 3 digits.

[spert]

I too am getting the 019 error like frei - no comunication. Using AVR board - Doubting Thomas - is it possible Atmel is not taking flash? Seems to program OK nut I have been trying for 2 weeks with no luck. I do have an old HU unlooper - can I use that to flash atmel (if I can remember how?).

[cancom]

Some of you are trying to troubleshoot with too many damn parts that you ASSUME are OK. May I suggest you test the modded TSOP 1st with plastic before running the emu.

Once it is running plastic OK, if you have an error, you KNOW it is NOT the flash therfore it must be the emu, bootdisk, connections or the emu computer.

Applied Theory:
Theory is when you know how it works but it still doesn't.
Practice is when it works but you don't know why.
At my house, theory and practice are one and the same: nothing works and no one knows why!

"Elementary Dr. Watson!"

cancom

[spert]

How do you test the modded TSOP? If I had plastic that was running I would have given up on the cemu a couple of weeks ago. I have some rom10 cards, but no unlocker or iso to program with. Just trying to play with what I have. Tried putting the card in the IRD and it came up with "wrong card" - but it also had correct cam. If there is some other way to test please let me know.

[BiggerBear]

Just buy an FTA receiver and get back to watching T.V.
I suggest the Coolsat5000platinum. You can still mess with Emu, but at least you will have T.V.
Once you have FTA you probably won't give a crap about Emulation.