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Crow 492
03-06-2006, 03:40 PM
FTA and your Legal Rights - EVERYONE MUST READ C & P

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Hi everyone. Let me just start by saying that i am a smaller dealer that just got into this FTA business. I used to buy, but now i sell. After viewing these forums, i found that there was an important post missing, regarding the real legal situation and FTA.

So, what did i do? I just paid $800 to meet for a few hours with a lawyer that is very knowledgeable in telecommunications. Here is what i can pass on, for free.

IS FTA LEGAL IN NORTH AMERICA

Absolutely. By definition, it is FREE to air. Free channels, and a reciever to watch them with. There is nothing wrong with Free to Air. The goverment knows that, the big companies (bell, echo, cable companies) know it, and so should you. Free to Air has been around long before all of this craze revolving around the industry. Nothing has changed

IS IT LEGAL TO BUY FTA RECEIVERS FROM ANY WEB SITE

Absolutely. It doesn't really matter which site is selling the reciever, if it is FTA, then you can purchase it. Even if the site advertises illegal decryption, you can still buy it, as long as when you recieve it, you are watching FTA. That is why there are factory manufacturer software files. You are not responsible for the marketing of the web site. Only they are.

If you buy steak knives from a site that condones murder, because you like the brand of knives, you can rest assured that no one is coming knocking at your door for any crime. This is the same. Maybe your unit was "pre-flashed" when sent, but then who's to say you didn't flash it back right away, and watch FTA channels? maybe the price was right, or the model was hard to find. Either way, you are legally free to purchase anywhere.

IF MY DEALER GETS INTO LEGAL TROUBLE, AM I AT RISK TOO?

No. Unlike DTV hack equipment, you are safe from being "sued" or pursued for purchasing FTA. With DTV, there really was no other reason for getting a LOADER other than to program cards. Sure, you could argue you like to test atmel chips, but basically, if your dealer was busted, you were in big trouble.

FTA is different. A dealer can get in trouble for marketing a certain way, or for modifying units. But you, as an end-user, are never at risk, simply because FTA receivers are fully legal. It would take a stakeout at your house, watching you download encrypted channels to come after you for signal theft. If you see an ice-cream truck with antennas outside your home, watch out. Other than that, don't even think about it.

SHOULD I BE CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING?

Not at all. If you ever get a phone call from Echostar, Bell, or a lawyer's office, never, even for a second, worry about it. They are not coming after you. They would simply want information on your dealer. Don't incriminate yourself by even listening to the call. Politely say "I only watch FTA programming..bye..i'm in the middle of dinner". Because you are not at risk, never put yourself in this situation. They can never prove otherwise. Remember, you are only watching FTA programming. Period.

THE FUTURE

Basically...Just enjoy TV. Don't worry. Don't be paranoid. No one is ever coming after you. No one is suing you. No one is watching you. No one can prevent you from watching FTA television. Don't even worry about your dealer, and records of purchase. As far as the law is concerned, you purchased FTA. Let your dealer sort out any messes. It doesn't concern you. You should just watch TV.

Yes...this post cost me a pretty penney. But I wanted to be sure, and I wanted to fully understand my legal position. Hopefully, dealers will copy this email and send it to their customers so everyone can be properly informed. At least post it on your websites. It will make visitors/customers of your site much more comfortable purchasing products.
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Nagra1
03-06-2006, 11:29 PM
Yes everyone thought ISO programmers were legal also, but even buying a simple programmer from a pirate site could get you a $3500 Dave demand letter.

Sure FTA is legal, but as soon as you join a pirate site and download the bin files so you can watch Charlie or BEV programming your legal FTA receiver becomes just another pirate device....

Pyotr
03-06-2006, 11:42 PM
Yes everyone thought ISO programmers were legal also, but even buying a simple programmer from a pirate site could get you a $3500 Dave demand letter.
Sure FTA is legal, but as soon as you join a pirate site and download the bin files so you can watch Charlie or BEV programming your legal FTA receiver becomes just another pirate device....

Right.All they have to do is put your purchase of an FTA together with some posts somewhere not related to the place you bought from? That's really a strecth. Besides Charlie don't send demand letters like DAVE did.

Matisse
03-07-2006, 01:41 AM
Yes everyone thought ISO programmers were legal also, but even buying a simple programmer from a pirate site could get you a $3500 Dave demand letter.
Sure FTA is legal, but as soon as you join a pirate site and download the bin files so you can watch Charlie or BEV programming your legal FTA receiver becomes just another pirate device....

exactly..and thats why you shouldnt buy legal hardware from a pirate site because it gives the impression of impropriety and that you bought it from a pirate site with the intention of hacking the signals...its not rocket science to figure out that if your buying hardware from a pirate site that also offers files so that hardware will decrypt signals...then your a pirate.....circumstantial evidence?...so what..people get convicted that way every day in every court across the USA

who wants to retain an attorney to argue this in court?.......buy a fta from a legit site
and those of you that buy any of this stuff with credit cards or debit cards at this juncture....deserve to get busted and i hope you do.....nobody seems to remember that over 110,000 got demand letters a couple years ago.......every dealer claims their pay service is secure..offshore....no records....blah...blah...blah...look at what just happened with mili's pay service...uhhuh...where's that going?....and not even mili knows if anyone will get sued by dishnetwork once their lawyers go to work and hone in on this

if you use anything but money orders to buy pirate items..your too stupid for your own good and should walk away and subscribe

hey Pyotr....a stretch?.......think history cant repeat itself?........DTV was successful in the majority of their prosecutions....what makes you think that Dishnetwork wouldnt be also or do you think your special and somehow immune??
if you were smart,and im not claiming you are,youd remember the history lessons of those that suffered before us.....your number could come up at any time
you probably dont realize that there were over 300 sites related to piracy in the US and Canada....how many are left now....uhhuh......nobody is immune ..:cool:

Pyotr
03-07-2006, 01:52 AM
Not too sure how successful the DAVE letter campaign was. Sure didn't get me to bite.Haven't heard from them since. There were some high profile cases that were either settled or prosecuted to conclusion.Most lost thier cases but it was starting to turn around against DAVE. After that he dropped whatever cases were still in court and never followed up on his latest round of extortion letters.
But you are correct.Don't be an idiot when buying. Use common sense.

compaqsat
03-08-2006, 04:18 AM
i have a question
i have a converted dtv recever (to pansat) is that ok since im useing a dtv recever

vmod32
03-10-2006, 11:38 PM
i have a question
i have a converted dtv recever (to pansat) is that ok since im useing a dtv recever


Wow, you acctually got it to work? Proved me wrong, props to you :) Could you post some pictures of the mod and other info like that would help other out, an overview for now would be good. I have a couple laying around. Does it work with switches, as that was the main reason I never bothered. I guess you should port it in another thread.

compaqsat
03-17-2006, 05:48 AM
sory mistake but i found j tag points