Canadian politics? Let's discuss! [Archive]

alsouthster

03-15-2006, 07:05 AM

er, I guess this would be directed to Canadians and interested Americans, if any

Does anyone else find it dismaying that our newly elected fool prime minister, Steve Harper, is gallivanting around Afghanistan trying to prove that he is W frigging Jr. wearing a bullet proof vest that makes him look even fatter than he already is???

Yo, I support the troops, but we in Canada have always been Peacekeepers, not saps drawn into a conflict that was not of our creation.
So like heading overseas for a photo op and tryin to drum up money for the defense budget is as unseemly as the big fucking gut hanging over your belt, no?

Frankly I'm worried that Osama et al might actually NOTICE Canada (unlikely, but remotely possible) and plant a frigging bomb at the MOntreal jazz fest and take out like a million peeps.

is anyone else also worried?

Satan

03-15-2006, 09:25 AM

Nope...what happen's will happen...best one can do is hope.....Could get hit bu a bus tommorow....I don't think we should outlaw bus's...WE have 30 year's of Liberal BS to thank for this..

Matisse

03-15-2006, 05:10 PM

playme1979

03-15-2006, 07:01 PM

kimmichael44

03-15-2006, 07:28 PM

he's just proving that all Canadians arent pussies like yourself..what worries us Americans is that if your country is ever invaded,we'll have to sacrifice our own countrymen to save your chickenshit frozen asses.....we dont start shit,we do however,finish it!
post back when you grow a pair of balls....Osama is in a cave hiding somewhere,shouldnt you be in one too...?.....modicone!

From up here it doesn't look like anything has been finished since maybe Hyroshima. Or has Korea, and Vietnam been removed from the history books now? Just to make room for Osama and Iraq to be added to the list. There is a lot more to be worried about in the South, that the pussies up here don't. Huge and growing debt, poverty, health care, China, huge trade deficits, having more friends than just Britain and Canada.

As for Canadian politics go... I didn't vote for him (really!) but I think the situation is the safest for us. Not enough power to screw stuff up, just enough to show us how they can screw things up. Good to support our troops in Afganistan (that's where we should be), stay out of Iraq!

Let's hope the Liberal party takes this time to get some new younger blood at the top.

alsouthster

03-15-2006, 08:18 PM

matisse, I got no problem with our Peacekeeper troops being in Afghanistan. That was actually a Liberal party inititiative haha
I do have a problem with Harper saying "we're going to be there for a long time" and at the same time refusing to open it up to debate in Parliament.
That sounds a little too Bush-like for me, especially when the situation is changing on a daily basis. Today, apparently, some Canadian troops took out a civilian taxi, by what seems to have been mistake.
And actually our Peacekeeper troops have been pretty good at helping to finsh off messes that have been started by others

playme1979

03-16-2006, 01:10 AM

eastern

03-16-2006, 02:09 AM

As far as Osama planting a bomb the only fear I would have is that most of us Canadians would get our asses blown off as our heads are stuck in the sand

And yes a lot of countries like canada just as long we keep sending them money and letting them do what they want to us

If it were not for the Americans our native tonque would either be Russian or Chinese by now.

All this boils out to be is if your a Democrate/ Liberal you hate Republicans and Conservatives because they won. When the tide turns it will be the Republicans and Conservatives hating the Democrates and Liberals because they won.

I can't imagine what it's like to go out on patrol in Afganistan or Irag, you don't know what's going to happen. I get up every day and go to work without a care in the world ,the least I can do is not critize what they have to do to servive and give them the support they need to get up every day not knowing if it's their last. And if I was over there reading and seeing what is said on this continent I would be pretty discouraged.

I am new here please don't ban me , but I just had to say that

Now every body don't let this get to you ,go and enjoy life and your family and let the ploititians shoot the crap that's what they are all good at

03-16-2006, 02:39 AM

hey guys if mattisse really is a bush and dick lover then there is no point in trying to make a point, the far right in america only has one objective and that is to bring about armageddon so jesus will come down on a flying carpet and pick up all the good christians and all i have to say about it is i wish he would hurry the fuck up so there would be more room for RATIONAL discussion down here on earth
Well that would explain it. That explanation makes more sense than just about any I've heard yet.

On another note, guys, Matisse, please try to keep it civil. It is possible to have discussions about controversial issues without bashing and name calling. In fact, if you use reason and your vocabulary most of the time you'll drive your point home a lot faster than if you ramble and slur. :cool:

Satan

03-16-2006, 11:29 AM

Long story made short....Freedom...Us ....win's...Tax's.....Canada win's....One of the reason's were even here typing in this forum are due to the live's given in WWII....and Vietnam ...and Korea....simple fact.

Harper want's to go and get a photo shoot just show's he has the ball's...didn't see you over there..? come to think of it ...havn't seen Bin-hide-in-a-cave come out for air...either..?

Ps: might add *Eastern* has some fact's on his side,,,,not Liberal **BS**

mdfirefighter

03-16-2006, 12:12 PM

<RANT> There are two sides to every argument (hence the term). I don't live in Canada but I am damn glad that they are supporting the fight over there. There are reasons for every fight and the one that is going on has a good one. There is absolutely NO reason why we shouldn't have started this conflict. You can't turn a cheek on people who would hijack planes and crash them into buildings.

I don't love or hate the president but I think that showing terrorist that we aren't going to take it on the chin and let them keep comming is a good thing. I'm not sure what to think about how things are going on over there now as I am not there. I know ALOT of people who are and I thank them every day for keeping my fellow people alive even the ones that hate people like me for not backing down when someone stabs us in the heart. </RANT>

So I guess what I'm trying to say is thank you for your support, friends are hard to come by.

I'm not trying to open up a can of worms here just talking.

MDFF

Satan

03-16-2006, 12:38 PM

Your talking and typing here..and the reason you can is because the USA,,,is fighting and die-ing....maybe you don't see that ...I'm not sure....what the fuck is Canada doing....?,,,ya wait....were being taxed so hard we can't get out

1- can we watch any USA TV....?....maybe no !...(LoL)
2- can we listen to a USA radio ..say XM..or serious...?..NO
3- Can we elext a Gov't that can speak the native tounge...ENGLISH...?.....NO
4- who and where have the USA invaded a country ,,, and claimed it was there's..?

I'm not trying to inflame as well but the truth is the truth ....

Satan

03-16-2006, 12:41 PM

PS: might just add ..let's keep this civil..and talk fact's no heart felt shit...I get mad...?...so do you ...let's bring out the fact's and let them tell a story.....

mdfirefighter

03-16-2006, 01:17 PM

alsouthster

03-16-2006, 05:01 PM

Maybe my first point got lost in my fat-baiting of Harper but his appearance in Afghanistan struck me as grandstanding. He also says he doesn't want to debate what our role should be in this changing conflict....that bothers me, and according to polls, it bothers a majority of the Canadian public.

I agree that obviously something has to be done about the demented Islamic fundamentalists and I agree the US has gotta lead the way (hopefully not alone). But so far the strategies used seemed to have in many many ways backfired, and last time I looked at the American polls a growing percentage of Americans seems to be having doubts.

Maybe more debate, more attempts to build a consensus, more planning and less macho posturing from politicans (many of whom never went to boot camp let alone any sort of war) might have helped?
not saying cut and run but use BRAINS and balls

As for my own military credentials, I have none, but my father and two uncles were in the RAF in WW11, one radio operator and two bomber pilots, only the radio operator made it back

fetajr

03-16-2006, 05:49 PM

[quote=alsouthster]
Frankly I'm worried that Osama et al might actually NOTICE Canada (unlikely, but remotely possible) and plant a frigging bomb at the MOntreal jazz fest and take out like a million peeps.
[quote]

I wouldn't worry about montreal being hit, it's practically all ARAB anyways, they wouldnt kill their own kind.

I do disagree that CANADA shouldnt be involved in mideast wars since they are all all ignited by American influences, let the Yankees clean up their own mess and lets stop kissing yankee ass. Every super power comes to an END, history speaks for itself.. the DINOSAURS, the ROMANS, the GERMANS, the RUSSIANS, and now the AMERICANS!... next power in line are gonna be the ASIANS

Hack@d

03-16-2006, 05:58 PM

Fetajr you hit the nail right on the head.

The Asians are the smartest of the bunch, just buy everything then there is nothing to invade since they own it all.

Satan

03-16-2006, 08:51 PM

I'm happy that i live where I can vote...own gun's ..drink..smoke and the rest of the good stuff. People had to die for that right.. What we all have to understand is were not fighting people..we are fighting animal's...it's OK to hack someone's head off to get a point across...or to cut a hand off if your caught DUI...let's all sit back and try to see how free we are.? And remember that people did die in order for us to have what we have.

gitmocap

03-16-2006, 10:24 PM

If we [you] thought these were human beings we are slaughtering then you would have some remorse about the babies we killed yesterday.
We are in their country killing people who don't agree with our philosophy. I am a Viet Nam vet and we were doing the same then. We were trying to put our rich buddies in control of the country and the people would not have it. They kicked our butts even though they didn't have F-105's, B-52's, U-2's or Napalm. We killed the helpless babies and the public began to notice when they saw the little girl on fire. That picture was taken by a man who had the intestinal fortitude to publish a real life picture. This kind of hero does not exist in the corporate media today. If they were on the offense rather than defense they would have blown up the Montreal Jazz festival long ago. What would you do if some storm troopers were killing your family?

Satan

03-16-2006, 11:19 PM

What if storm troopers were killing my family... I'd fight like hell. and if I lived in a terriost world..I'd fight with the troop's....?What if someone hung my G\F on a pole and cut her tounge out ..for waving at the troop's..? What if someone hack'ed my brother's head off just to prove they were tuff...

War is war...and yes innocent people have to die...for the rest of us..My hat's and hoove's to you for serving your country. You are by all mean's a better man than me.

Satan

03-17-2006, 01:19 AM

How very true...well said...and what about being brainwashed and strapping a bomb on ...Listening to your great leadrer ...and going to a wedding in his home town and doing your thing....?... wonder if I'd be mad..?......might be deeper issue's here..?....

At least he took his wife..?

Harper is trying to get a grip...and a photo shoot is simple politics....with our border's are closed becauseas out great Liberal gov't had there say ..?

There's a million way's to say *NO*.....you don't have to get on national TV and call Bush a moron and a asshole...?...What part did we miss here..?

Twostep

03-17-2006, 01:31 AM

I wouldn't worry about montreal being hit, it's practically all ARAB anyways, they wouldnt kill their own kind.

Man, we're talking radical Islam here...:eek:

There were approximately 800 Muslims killed in the WTC on 9/11. Didn't bother OBL one bit. Radical Islamists have killed a hell of a lot more Muslims over the years than Americans, or anyone else. Martyrdom and all those virgins are powerful temptations, after all:(

theoldpirate

03-17-2006, 01:47 AM

Somebody wanted to talk about history dino's, romans, germans and Americans and says asians will be next, well several people tried to conqour the Chineese....... and were assimilated in the process, after a few years of ruling they were just as chinese as the people they tried to concur, they just breed so dam fast.

Of course if they do take over it will be a step backward's in evolution and everyone will be eating noodles and fish heads out of wooden bowls and living in straw huts 1 foot from their neighbors drawing drinking water from the front and pissing out the back. They have never had an original thought in their history and without the Americans to make new things for them to copy cheap, their world economy will become agricultural again.

As for losing in Viet Nam, we won every battle, but after we won the fucking politicians gave back what we won. Of course they wanted it back the next weeks so we took it back only to have it given away again.

Their "soldiers" were often kids 10, 12, 14 and old men 50, 60 years old. anybody they could catch and tell fight for us or we kill you ourselves. I addition they had millions of chineese soldiers slipping in as well. A typical "squad" was 1 guy with a rifle and 5 carring ammo, when the guy with the rifle got killed # 2 would pick it up and they would continue.
Jets and bombers and tanks etc can only kill so many we had the same problem countless armies have had with the chinese, They fought Gurrilla warfare with a country that was using set battle tactics and could replace losses faster than we could kill them even with hi-tech weapons, lacking a few NUKES there was no way we could win in our lifetime.

It is comperable to the ARABS and IRISH, the Asian people and the ARABS have been waging war against each other for thousands of years The irish have been at war with the british for hundreds, remember (Canadians) the french spent 10 or 12 years in Viet Nam before we took over with the same results we had so we were fighting people born to war, for war.

My solotin ? Do like China did. ISOLATION - withdraw any troops and bases the people do not want in their country. Take out the american techs and experts, companies that keep their country in the 20th century, cease all foerign aid to them, do not sell them anything, do not buy any thing to them, confiscate (pay them for it) any business interests or property they have in the U.S.. let them go back to camel hearding or whatever they did before we modernized them.

They will soon cease to be a threat to us or anybody else as they will not have any money or tech to hurt anyone but each other and will freeze / sweat and starve in the light of a camel dung campfire..

There is only one way to end a religious war... let them kill each other off then ban the religion forever.

Should that not work, keep the troops at home and bomb them back into the stone age. They take over the vacant property.

sueska

03-17-2006, 01:58 AM

hey where did he get the vest, you know they don't give shit to are troops let alone pay them,he 'll finish what the last pc party started way do you think brian m lives in florida

Satan

03-17-2006, 02:20 AM

You were right on the money *oldpirate*...but the last 4 paragraph's don't wash ....we can't live our nice free live's without them...and they can't feed there own ...and depend on us....it's a give take...has to be..?
Back to the topic...Harper is moving forward......unlike a true Liberal...?

stickboyz

03-17-2006, 02:38 AM

always someone complaining about the goverment

gitmocap

03-17-2006, 02:52 AM

...I think I know enough of hate, and that damage with ice is also great and would suffice. You guys are so into killing and bombing that I wonder if any of us will survive. You are going to kill a man who was in "jail" on 9/11 because he is a nut and stated that he hates us and would like to fly a plane into the white house. You take that as gospel, and therefore he is guilty but you say he is lying when he says he knew nothing about 9/11. How convenient! I noticed that you didn't kill the "American Taliban" who was actively killing or at least trying to kill Americans. He was just misguided. You state the stock phrase of radical muslim. You say it so much that there is no other type of muslim. You have to subliminally think the word "radical" anytime someone mentions the word "muslim". Is it radical to put people in jail, torture or kill them because they talk to someone you don't like. In this land of the free I am afraid to send an email to any of my friends and relative outside this country because it can be misconstrued as subversive. I've had to devalue my relationship with my canadian relatives because their goverment did not want to kill iraqi women and children. Kill is the word in everyone's vocabulary these days. My grandkids are learning their math from CNN by counting how many we killed today. Wolf Blitzer and the "lady" news readers tell us how we should feel about the "enemy". They have their manicures and hairdos and a good days work and a cold glass of water would kill the lot. Oh, those terrible beheadings. Well its been just over 20 years ago that France put away the guillotine. We had a better record, we electrocuted, shot, hung or sat a fat policeman on a man's chest. We are more civilized now, we poison people to death. We love to sit in our living rooms and play "mine is bigger than yours". We think we are all powerful. We have the bomb but you can't have one. I was upset with my PHD friend who attended my granddaughter's confirmation. She, a native american, thought our celebration of the Eucharist was barbaric. She said that anyone would feels comfortable with the thought of drinking blood, or eating flesh even symbolically would feel comfortable actually doing it if it were legal. So it is with your tv killings. I was, as I said offended, but now I see the Pope welcoming the Bush's instead of condemning them for their policies makes me wonder what it right and what is wrong. I think the whole country got hold of some "bad weed"!

Satan

03-17-2006, 03:52 AM

I'm not to sure what your saying here../...? Is it wrong for Harper to get a photo shoot or not ????....is it wrong to stand up and defend yourself..?....Just unsure ??...I say we all get around a table ..and act like the UN...and hope were not in range of a nuke...?...

alsouthster

03-17-2006, 04:12 AM

Ok Satan, I'll take the bait (why do I fear this may be my problem in life lol)

The problems with Harper doing that trip/photo-op are as follows:

1) Harp did not get a proper bulletproof-vest-designer, to insure that the getup would look good, like it did on W on that aircraft carrier when he was announcing "Mission Accomplished". W did not look fat, Harper did.

2) Supporting the troops: cool
Drumming up money for our Canadian Peacekeeper troops who need better equipment: cool.
Drumming up money for a defense budget that he hasn't figured out yet (other than that he needs to slash social programs to achieve it), in a pathetic needy attempt to appeal to the Bush regime: uncool

Frankly I believe the Harp would be better off at home sorting out the CRTC regulations so that we don't have to hack Dish to get decent broadcasting. That part of the conservative program I support, though it might take some fun outta our hobby :)

Twostep

03-17-2006, 04:17 AM

You state the stock phrase of radical muslim. You say it so much that there is no other type of muslim. You have to subliminally think the word "radical" anytime someone mentions the word "muslim".
Not correct. "Muslim" defines my neighbors, friends of mine that I've conducted many business transactions with. You know, the ones who have values and morals just like other folks, who appreciate America and all it does have to offer, despite the shortcomings of its leaders - the ones who were fortunate to escape Kuwait with their lives because they dared to breathe any sort of negative comment about their totally corrupt and dictatorial government rulers - the same Muslims who are polite, courteous, fun, interesting.....

Sure, they pray to Allah, worship Mohammed and read the Koran, but so what; that's their right, no?

RADICAL Muslims fly 767's into buildings filled with people, because some crackpot convinced them the "Great Satan" must be punished and that great things awaited them on the other side. "God is good", they cry out:( Can't help but wonder if a few of 'em had any lingering doubts about 100 yards away from the side of the WTC:eek:

Them sonofabitches attacked the USA, and murdered 3000 innocent people. Say what you want about being radical, about Bush, about how evil America has become - but the view from this keyboard says somebody deserved an ass whipping for that cowardly act - a nuclear ass whipping. :mad:

HuSatellite

03-17-2006, 05:00 AM

he's just proving that all Canadians arent pussies like yourself..what worries us Americans is that if your country is ever invaded,we'll have to sacrifice our own countrymen to save your chickenshit frozen asses.....we dont start shit,we do however,finish it!
post back when you grow a pair of balls....Osama is in a cave hiding somewhere,shouldnt you be in one too...?.....modicone!

You are a prime example of why many canadians dislike your country.
You are so full of yourselfs, Its unbelevable!!

If you guys spent 1/3 of your annual military budget on feeding starving people around the globe. Every single hungry person could receive 1 hot meal a day. Thats a fact.
If you all did this, Would you be in the situation you are now? Probably not...

You guys love to waste money,
You have shitty ass health care, Shitty schools. Blow millions on unneeded wars.

Guess what?
I can go to the doctor or hospital any day of the week, For free!!!
& The poor people are not last in line.

99% of our kids can read when the grad, Whats the percentage down there? :rolleyes:

I love the states, But its people like you that make me want to puke

Twostep

03-17-2006, 07:10 AM

If you guys spent 1/3 of your annual military budget on feeding starving people around the globe. Every single hungry person could receive 1 hot meal a day. Thats a fact.

Take two, 30 minutes before bedtime:rolleyes:

HuSatellite

03-17-2006, 09:59 AM

Take two, 30 minutes before bedtime:rolleyes:

Bullshit? Prove me wrong dickhead :D
Do you know what the U.S. spends every year on their military?

Exactly

drwolf

03-17-2006, 03:16 PM

All you people need to look at the bigger picture. All of us are over in Iraq and Afganistan because of MONEY. The freemasons control it, George W. and daddy are one, in the U.S. we have our federal reserve bank , privately owned. Why is it that the federal government doesn't print it's own money instead of a privatly owned bank, is it so we can pay a lot of interest to the people who own the private bank and they make all the money. Now back to the war (Invasion of both countries), Who is benifiting, private companies, Haliburton and all it's little companies. Why is the military not feeding and washing there own clothes. I was in the military and there used to be actual jobs that did these these jobs, the military was self sufficent. Now on to Bin Laden, the CIA supported him in Afganistan to fight the Russian invasion, when the Russian's pulled out so did the support for Osama, that's why he hate's the west. Now the politian's are are trying to get rid of a tyrant that they created. So people get your head's out of the sand and do some research.

Caddylover

03-17-2006, 05:30 PM

drwolf, "knowledge is power". When you start bring freemason stuff up, you're bringing in a WHOLE lot more than people can wrap their tiny heads around. :)

Interesting stuff eh?

Caddy

drwolf

03-18-2006, 06:43 PM

Caddy, Sure is interesting!!!!! It's amazing though how many people don't know about this stuff and how much it's a part of our daily life and how most people can't see it or choose not to.

Twostep

03-18-2006, 07:52 PM

Do you know what the U.S. spends every year on their military?

He called me a dickhead:eek:

462 billion, for fiscal year 2007. How'd I do, HU?;)

Be nice now, I'm not trying to pick a fight. But your comment about feeding the world is nothing but bleeding heart liberal, "Blame America First" fantasy. Giving 154B to a bunch of third world countries, or sending them an eqivalent amount in food each year - will only enable the corrupt governments of those countries (who will steal the money/food) to someday use it against us via AlQueda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, whatever.

Let's teach those starving people how to sustain themselves (the old "give a man a fish/teach a man to fish" theory), or finance a few coups - makes a hell of a lot more sense, and the world would be infinitely better in the long run.

gitmocap

03-18-2006, 10:41 PM

Judging from the Outsourcing and job losses the US is suffering from and a new debt ceiling of 9 trillion dollars, we not only taught them how to fish but how to bait as well. They were taught well by our [Master] baiters. It these fishermen ever stopped fishing we would not have clothes, technology, be able to fly or use our fancy killing machines or visit a sushi house. When every man woman and child in the US owes them 30 thousand dollars, I don't think we can be very smug about our position. The US Britain, France and yes Canada have created a situation of perceived abundance when it is only the Bush's, Harpers, Blairs, Windsors and the puppets in the middle east and South America who actually benefit. Like Nuyen Kow Kee who now owns half of San Diego and the Karzi family that owns the other half.

gitmocap

03-18-2006, 11:01 PM

Let me add that the wars are part of the military budget and the 92 billion congress is approving is "supplemental". They say that we have spent half a trillion on the war so far but it is so much more. We spent half a trillion in supplementals which is really a cost overrun of the military budget. Do you think that the cost for every military person was not included in the main budget? We are getting double dipped and no one is smart enough to see it. Did you ever notice how fat the leaders of these countries are while the goat herders, the people we are killing, are starving? Have you ever seen a fat insurgent? How many times since 1953 [Kermit Roosevelt] have we replaced the government of Iran? Why do I pay my fees to an Iranian for Public Property who does not know when the American Flag he is flying is upside down? Why does Saddam have the keys to the city of Detroit? Why did we conspire with the Mother of the Taliban form Pakistan [1996] to install them in Afganistan? Why did we replace our guy in Liberia, Haiti and Eritra? Did we not put Castro into power and then trashed him because he wouldn't let us run the show? Or are we angry with him because he wouldn't do a second Ed Sullivan Show?

redneckbcer

03-19-2006, 12:00 AM

I was listening to Garth Pritchard, a freelance jounalist out of Calgary. He was with the Canadians when they invaded a weapons cache in Afganistan a couple years ago, he was saying they they discovered vials of biological chemicals that could wipe out couple of hundred thousand people. He has pictures of these vials with our troops holding them. Our CBC & CTV would not air his transcripts, but the History Network does. He was saying the British discovered a bigger cache of weapons. If you think N. American borders are porous, what do think theirs are like. A majority of the terrorists in Iraq are foreign, mostly from Syria, Lebanon & Iran,pretty easy to cross borders there & bring weapons across. What were they doing at Chalk River (near Ottawa-a nuclear power station) or out west checking out our oil refineries or checking out the Montreal subways. Not everybody in the world likes us. The fall of the USA would be like a domino effect,so it wouldn't take long for Canada to fall. The Americans did not start it,so get off the American's case. Canada should be in Afganistan, & we should be standing beside the Americans in Iraq. God Bless America!