Massive raids in Canada. Dishmonkey is busted.

[riverman]

I was told that *********, ********** and Skyhigh Electronics were raided today in Toronto for selling Nexus 2313 unlockers.

[Badnews Bob]

The following sites were busted and Anton Pillar orders served in Canada

crazycircuits.com
dishmonkey.com
modchipit.com
skyhighelectronics.com
al7bar.ca
dishfun.com

Looks like the Syndrome manufacturer in Montreal was busted also along with the Nexus manufacturers but this last one is not confirmed.

[bobsmith161]

yep they finly got *********, ********** man that sucks lol
who are you talking about:)

[mili]

He is talking about dishmonkey and modchipit. I removed the censoring on those words.

mili

[bobsmith161]

so is it bad to buy from canada?.....better play it safe and buy from mili

[breakinpar]

that list is untrue... post some facts please:rolleyes:

[larryking123]

Yep he is right, modchit and dishmonkey are offline
I hope that have a very good shredder, cause there are gonna be a lot of crying people in the next couple weeks.

COD, umm, just check canada post records ummm.

Anton Pillar
I see no reference of the raid on there main support site

there is refernce to it.
some say server dbs, other anton pillar
and time to clean house

[DB]

That sucks, I know allot of people that bought from dishmonkey. Hope they stay out of trouble.

[wpelc2003]

can they trace sales back to the buyer? and what could they do about it?

[himeros]

You could move to Cuba.

[Matisse]

can they trace sales back to the buyer? and what could they do about it?

the "dumbing" of America at its finest! dont worry about it son and yes ill take fries with my order thankyou very much

:rolleyes:

[wpelc2003]

are you suppose to get a phone call from some one saying they are Advanced Electronics and Gadgets asking if you were satisfied with the product ?????

[Bandit5906]

Thank you mili for looking out for us!

[fubr]

This guy must have had a order pending and now he has SHIT.:eek:
You are showing signs of a case of diareah of the mouth but I ask you to name a dealer thats stood the test of time with the big dogs as long as Mili.
I have seen many come and go and many sites too.
And I am talking major players not renkie dink dealer's

I like the MO method myself sucks to wait but a time goes by it sucks even more to worry about getting a letter.

[Bandit5906]

I know what a letter can do to you and have a few of them to my "credit"! Take the time to source everything out and then order and wait.

Price is not always everthing when it comes to the law, IMHO!

[delavoie]

taken from another site. posted by a mod.
An arrest warrant has been issued for a Milton Anderson AKA: Mili in the Bahamas, a ward of the United States.

Any truth to this ?

[fubr]

Now that pisses me off The inmates have faster internet than I do if that is true.
Are you stupid or what

[mili]

Haha good one. The morons are crawling out.
I got a new card processor from Europe and they are cool. Should be as most their clientele is generally unacceptable by USA card processors. They do sometime call customers who paid with them to make sure I don't pull the transactions out of my ass.
As to whether I am safe to buy from let my track record speak for itself. You always do your research on the dealer and if possible buy with a money order and fake name. THat is common sense. I never engaged using payment methods I deemed dangerouns for my customers. PayZip has problems because they are a Trhird Party Payment Procesor according to Mastercard and I know for a fact that long before I done business with them they went to court several time refusing to cooperate with DTV and they won in Singapore. So morons crawl back into your holes and the rest of you take a step back, do an inventory who you done business with and if they were busted indeed what data they may have on you.
There are a few issues I want to address.
I had the opinion which I did nto hide for years that buying from Canada is not a good idea. I could not have ben too voiciferous or I would have been (and was) accused to be a fear monger and try to scare people from buying from the competition. I am not one who like to brag about being right but this once I will say "I told you so".

mili

[delavoie]

Now that pisses me off The inmates have faster internet than I do if that is true.
Are you stupid or what
:confused:
If your referring to me, arrest warrant doesnt mean arrested and in jail. Hopefuly all of this shit is just rumours.

[fubr]

duh! I was speeding the joke along to the next level
get it?
rumor> warrant> jail. ha ha
You think If a warrant was out that the guy would be on the net?
You think anybody with knowledge of a warrant would tell a mod on another site? If they did the mod would be a ratt so whoever posted that where ever is just a attention whore. Now I dont know where or what was said so maybe they put in there post "rumor or I heard" or some such shit.
But damn dude for you to post on here asking that question is silly. If it were true we would not be here. And another thing anybody involved in this would be under some type of gag order so not to here from people involved is a bad sign.

[delavoie]

Haha good one. The morons are crawling out.
I got a new card processor from Europe and they are cool. Should be as most their clientele is generally unacceptable by USA card processors. They do sometime call customers who paid with them to make sure I don't pull the transactions out of my ass.
As to whether I am safe to buy from let my track record speak for itself. You always do your research on the dealer and if possible buy with a money order and fake name. THat is common sense. I never engaged using payment methods I deemed dangerouns for my customers. PayZip has problems because they are a Trhird Party Payment Procesor according to Mastercard and I know for a fact that long before I done business with them they went to court several time refusing to cooperate with DTV and they won in Singapore. So morons crawl back into your holes and the rest of you take a step back, do an inventory who you done business with and if they were busted indeed what data they may have on you.
There are a few issues I want to address.
I had the opinion which I did nto hide for years that buying from Canada is not a good idea. I could not have ben too voiciferous or I would have been (and was) accused to be a fear monger and try to scare people from buying from the competition. I am not one who like to brag about being right but this once I will say "I told you so".

mili

Milli question for you..
Technically would it be possible for the USA to arrest you if you were to travel into the usa? The reason i ask, i have lived and worked down where you are, but in a different industry. We were in online gaming, and as you probably know, the usa doesn't like us either. I know of some people in the gaming industry being arrested/held in the usa, because they accepted or allowed payments or bets from americans. What's your take on this?

[Badnews Bob]

The good thing is all these raids were CIVIL. There are no arrests and no criminal charges. Most likely Dish and BEV cooperated zooming in on these guys so chances are they are sharing the info obtained. Lets do the worst case scenario first.
COD delivery is impossible to deny if Canadapost coughs up the records (given)
All computers and papers are now in the wrong hands along with gaypal account info. Dishmonkey advertised on most every satellite forums under the Sun. Dumb and lazy forum owners take gaypal most often than not as payment for banner advertisement. Others on these dealer's account who paid with gaypal or gotten paid from gaypal will be followed up on as well. It is safe to assume those gaypal account names are known, will be subpoenaed and their holders scrutinized. Most likely the data obtained will be put to use in one form or another. If not by bev as some say they lack the resources then by Charlie. There is already a talk about a shift of approach by Charlie as you can see on dishnewsonline and I quote.
"EchoStar spokesman Mark Cicero declined to say whether the company is stepping up its litigation campaign. "
If they do make that shift then demand letters a'la Dave will flow. Forum owners remember pirateden and decodernews.
These dealers are under a gag order and can't comment. Pressure is being applied to them and they will break giving up names and contacts. As of right now hardware manufacturerers are either busted or running scared. The price of stuff will rise for sure. There are dealers based in China, Mexico and the Caribbeans. I'd never dealt with anyone else but mili so I can't comment on the others but they are out there. All being said worst case scenario is demand letters for Americans from Charlie and Canadians by bev, forum owners attacked, leading coders located and prosecuted a'la Dexter and ATR and Umpire.

Now after all the doom and gloom here is the best case scenario.
Nothing will come of the resords seized and they will sit back and be content busting these fellows. They wanted to take out the big players only and scare the rest into giving up and taking off. End users will not be pursued and no further busts will come. The delears busted will be either taken to court or will settle for all they're worth.

Reality probably will be between the two scenarios. Rumors will fly, paranoia will reign, the industry will shit itself for months but then carry on.

[mili]

If there is a sealed warrant in any country for anyone it is not disclosed and you find out the hard way if you go to those countries. There was this Russian who cracked e-book reader and when went to the USA to attend a conference he was held and charged. You use common sense and err on side of caution.

mili

[fubr]

Reality probably will be between the two scenarios. Rumors will fly, paranoia will reign, the industry will shit itself for months but then carry on.
well said

[kimmichael44]

It gets tougher every day for a foreign offender with the amount of linked personal data available to be flagged at the border crossing points.

The Bahamas seems like a great place to hold up.

[fetajr]

so IF I bought a few Atmega128's over the last few years from dishmonkey and they were all COD, would that mean I could be screwed?

[Badnews Bob]

Yes you could be screwed alongside with everyone ever buying COD from these dealers. The magic word is CULD BE!!!
There is a good chance that you won't be though. In either case since you can do nothing about it might as well find something else to worry about like bird flu or global warming. Investigavions take about 8 months and if and IF there will be letters coming expect them in a year or so. With the Dave letters some people got them 2 years after they bought parts from busted usa dealers. Maybe moving soon would be a good idea if you are a return customer and bought lotsa shit from these fellas and had them delivered to your address and your name.

[kimmichael44]

In Canada they have been very hesitant to prosecute the individual and have continually gone after the person(s) profitting. It appears that this was a civil action so whoever instigated this action would have ben looking to stop the sale of certain items that they could prove were causing them damages. Legal cases are very expensive for all parties so the gain needs to be large enough to justify the expense. With the political situation in Canada there would be no advantage for the government propose legislation to go after satellite users directly.

This shows that the Echostar based Satellite companies are having trouble combatting this through cheaper and easier ECM methods.

[Baby Jaguar]

fuckem, I bought lots over the years from DM, why worry though. you wont get jail time, only a fine, and you can beat that too. The trick is to always know a bigger fish to fry. That way you'll always have a barganing tool. LMAO!!!!!!

[delavoie]

duh! I was speeding the joke along to the next level
get it?
rumor> warrant> jail. ha ha
You think If a warrant was out that the guy would be on the net?
You think anybody with knowledge of a warrant would tell a mod on another site? If they did the mod would be a ratt so whoever posted that where ever is just a attention whore. Now I dont know where or what was said so maybe they put in there post "rumor or I heard" or some such shit.
But damn dude for you to post on here asking that question is silly. If it were true we would not be here. And another thing anybody involved in this would be under some type of gag order so not to here from people involved is a bad sign.
Like milli said.. if you have a warrant you wont know it until you arrive in the country that the warrant was issued in.

[fs0646]

what about ordering using a money order?

[qrubim]

What people should start doing is finding another reason for having what they COD, Paypal, C-card or what ever other method of purchasing they used. like an ISO programmer could be used to program other things besides ROM cards now the modded loaders may be hard but come on people lets try to help!
And when it comes for buying ROM cards say I did not want to give my money to DISH or DT and I wanted to have a sub but never got around to do it. If the person did not buy too much it will be up to the prosecutor to find other things out and at the "least" lower the amount the settlement will be.

[Twostep]

If this was a DAVE deal, I'd be a lot more worried. Those barracudas would (and will) chase your ass all over the place, with their threats and nasty letters - they'd threaten site owners and major dealers, force them to roll over on others, such as prominent moderators and anyone who'd bought lots of merchandise in the past. They'd just keep at it until there was nothing left for them to take.

I speak from experience. That's why I am who I am now, and not who I once was. But Dish/BEV- they either don't have the resources or they're smart enough to figure out that hackers have made them more money than they'll ever lose by stealing their signals. Something I've said all along.

How many of you, now that Dave shut us down, subscribe to Dish or Bell? I do...and if we were still testing DTV, I would have never bothered with DN. We'll never know the numbers, but I'll bet you that Dish/Bev have gained upwards of a million subscribers as a result of NagraII being "cracked".

The stockholders will, of course, never comprehend this - and will always demand that some kind of antipiracy effort be made. So, we have key rolling and a nice guy on Pirate TV asking "PLEASE don't hack our shit":D Come on, gimme a break - if they REALLY wanted to, they might not stop testing as it currently stands but they have the engineering expertise to make it a hell of a lot tougher to do so, I guarantee you.

The bottom line is money. If Charlie and Beverly can make more money (they can't at this time) going after end users, that's what they'll do. And as for all of you who bought programmers, Atmega boards, etc - I'd say there's a 95 percent chance that you'll never hear a thing. But, damn...don't EVER order illegal shit and have it shipped to your ACTUAL ADDRESS, using your REAL name, and COD, to boot. Let this be a lesson and do it the right way next time.

[mili]

Well if nothing else they succeeded in the manufacturing running scared. Supplies are geting short. Nexus people nabbed, Mikoby glithcher people in hiding. I had to raise my prices and will most likely be without stuff for a few weeks so if you were thinking about getting goodies don't wait around or maybe you will find another Canadian dealer :(

mili

[seaboard18]

Well if nothing else they succeeded in the manufacturing running scared. Supplies are geting short. Nexus people nabbed, Mikoby glithcher people in hiding. I had to raise my prices and will most likely be without stuff for a few weeks so if you were thinking about getting goodies don't wait around or maybe you will find another Canadian dealer :(
mili

Mili,
The ship is about to sink! When this hits the United States, its done. My advice to you would be to sell out, close the site, change my name and start a rehabilitation site for satellite pirates. You could also add a legal aide section and supply forms that will be needed . You could even become a mediator for all of the flock. If you put this together right, this advice could make you at least a million dollars. Panic is rampant now that Charley has the Ace in the hole.

[Bandit5906]

C & P

Reputable word is surfacing that both ModChipIt and DishMonkey are compromised and shut down. It's also reported that SatTech.Info is compromised.

Apparently, the Syndrome card and AVR-X card buyer lists have been obtained by Charlie and BEV from the 2 suppliers.

Word on the street has it that Charlie has started a new counter offensive similar to that of Dave. Charlie now claims to have have planted strokers in the community to mine the situation. Strokers are those that claim to help testers while minig data for Charlie. An arrest warrant has been issued for a Milton Anderson AKA: Mili in the Bahamas, a ward of the United States


Time for mili to start that 12 step program! Ha-ha

[fetajr]

well, for what other purpose could you use an ATMEGA for in this world?

[Caddylover]

You can use atmega .pfg for other purposes than satellite hacking. Hell, I do. My atmega has never been used for illegal purposes.

Caddy

[mili]

I am changing my name, having plastic surgery and moving to Iraq on the weekend. That is the only place the USA can't get to a wanted man.

mili

[JShin]

$hit, I bought a Magic Card from DM back in 2004, hope the fuzz don't show up at my doorstep..

[sunnybono]

Hey guys being a newbie, I just ordered a Diseqc switch from Ebay over 2 weeks ago. What's the risk other than me not receiveing my goods????:confused:

[RoofleChicken]

Zero. That switch is a perfectly legimate purchase.

[Bandit5906]

I can't imagine that DM would keep a LIST that long?!?

[seaboard18]

C & P
Reputable word is surfacing that both ModChipIt and DishMonkey are compromised and shut down. It's also reported that SatTech.Info is compromised.
Apparently, the Syndrome card and AVR-X card buyer lists have been obtained by Charlie and BEV from the 2 suppliers.
Word on the street has it that Charlie has started a new counter offensive similar to that of Dave. Charlie now claims to have have planted strokers in the community to mine the situation. Strokers are those that claim to help testers while minig data for Charlie. An arrest warrant has been issued for a Milton Anderson AKA: Mili in the Bahamas, a ward of the United States
Time for mili to start that 12 step program! Ha-ha


Strokers are actually GPS devices that were implanted in the different testing devices which were used to track the sales to the end users house from the distributors. Charley decided that this was cheaper and more effective and would allow offenders an opportunity to continue using these devices so that he could have documented proof of theft of his satellite signal. Law enforcement agencies is creating electronic fences now so that less man power is needed to complete the sting operation.

Most of you know that Charley begged pirates to just sub and give this up. He warned all of the pirates about electronic counter measures that were being implanted to secure his system. Everyone thought it was a joke at the time. Now the jig is up, what do you think now?

[bols2dawaLL]

I am changing my name, having plastic surgery and moving to Iraq on the weekend. That is the only place the USA can't get to a wanted man.
mili

LOL , G1 . How true.

[grady123]

i order a unlocker last week from d m used money order frindes address made up a name shit if it comes i will tell friend not to sind for nothing

[Twostep]

Now the jig is up, what do you think now?

I think let's wait and see just how high the jig is flyin'....after all, the demise of DM and MChip haven't even been reliably confirmed yet. Most likely true, but hell, in the case of Monkey - that guy just stuck his neck out there begging to be decapitated. A bunch of 5th graders could have handled that bust.

To me, this is more of a reminder to be careful. It's scary; no prominent dealers have been busted in a while and everyone's running a bit scared. Time to drag out the standard security 'checklist' that every tester should be following - and follow it. Common sense and not panicking is the rule. If you bought a magic card two years ago, you're probably just fine. If you sold 50 programmers last week and used your correct personal information, you might want to consider exporting yourself to a third world country for a while.

[DrSatMan99]

NO NO NO...

Bought several items from DM in 2004... Then bought MAGIC Card later that year...

DAMM!!!!

Other then that, purchased ever since from mili..

what's the possibility of charlie locating me ?

:cool:

[Bandit5906]

I truly doubt that you have anything to worry about with Charlie. He doesn't seem to target end users. Hell most of us sub with him (we just don't sub as big) so we are still generating revenue for him.

[delavoie]

Strokers are actually GPS devices that were implanted in the different testing devices which were used to track the sales to the end users house from the distributors. Charley decided that this was cheaper and more effective and would allow offenders an opportunity to continue using these devices so that he could have documented proof of theft of his satellite signal. Law enforcement agencies is creating electronic fences now so that less man power is needed to complete the sting operation.

Most of you know that Charley begged pirates to just sub and give this up. He warned all of the pirates about electronic counter measures that were being implanted to secure his system. Everyone thought it was a joke at the time. Now the jig is up, what do you think now?

That's the craziest thing i have heard all week.

[hobbyer]

If you are worried, look at it from a local perspective. Hacking tv is a low level, non-violent "crime". Here in Canada, the system is pushing rehab and no record to low risk perps. I know of a case where a guy was ratted out and he never went through the court system. I am assuming from other cases that I have internal knowledge about, that he got put through "Alternative Measures" program. This would involve community service and maybe a "donation" to local charity like victim services or crime stoppers for instance. I even have a friend who asked me to help him set up his FTA and he tells me that a few cops around here are pirates too. He should know, he is a recently retired cop. If you got caught, they won't send you away for a long time so RELAX! just my 2 cents worth.

[BirdieMod]

You'd have to be a idiot to keep files that long now ups maybe would have records of shipment that far back but wouldn't know what it was unless delclared for customes.
I hear they have xbox in prison with a cool game you get to kill guards.

[Pyotr]

You'd have to be a idiot to keep files that long now ups maybe would have records of shipment that far back but wouldn't know what it was unless delclared for customes.
I hear they have xbox in prison with a cool game you get to kill guards.

Credit card info has to be kept for quite awhile.Bought one thing a long time ago and almost 2 years later I get a letter from DAVE. Never went anywhere though.

[vmod32]

Now I'm real glad I modded my old H unlooper. Charlie does not have anything on me... heheh. You get sloppy and that what happens. It's about time somethign like this happend

[madmadmad]

time for mill to burn all receipts lol

[seaboard18]

I would say that transactions with Mili could be considered safer than with other individuals. Its interesting that people buy illegal devices using a credit card. That is like giving your name an address to whoever desires to know that information. However anonymous debit cards can be bought at local check cashing outlets generally without identification in some states. Using such a device as this poses less risk for you and for Mili.

Anonymous is the key in every respect. The next best option would be to use a money order for the transaction. So now that you have the payment thing worked out its time to buy that questionable device. This site is a great site and Mili's is a good place to shop, so lets buy it here.

I know that I have to do this transaction through a Secure Web Site and I understand that a Certificate is required to place this order. I know this because I have bought stuff online before and I read the certificates. I also understand that I will need a Secure Proxy Server to handle this type of transaction, so I am ready now.

I sure wish Mili had thought to put a phone number on his site, it would make it simple now to stay anonymous, using my anonymous MC and my anonymous name and address, which is a PMB located in another county. However, it would be nice to see a PMB for Advanced Electronics, Ltd.. because I could just send a money order instead of going through all this trouble trying to stay anonymous online! I understand that I could lose my money sending it this way but I trust Mili. Its really not a big deal, $150.00 bucks.... hell, I blow that much in a couple of days for beer!

Oh well, guess I will accept that secure unknown certificate... Mr. Cock down there says he wants to watch sex movies while I drink beer! Seems I have had problems with him ever since he started to grow hair! I asked him if he is sure about this and he said that this is as anonymous and safe as it gets on the net, so I better do it or face the consequences!

Just remember, make informed decisions when you buy online. Impulse buying or 'in the moment' is not wise. Think about what you are doing before you do it and by all means try to stay anonymous if possible. If you have dealt with Mili a long time, just remember, if you never get your order and this site disappears, your money went for a good cause. Mili is either in jail or in Iraq... in either case, he will need the money, so wish him well, he has provided a means of entertainment for you for a very long time.

[Bandit5906]

Good advice and we all need to heed this!

Just because you can get something cheaper at another site does not mean that it won't cost you in the long run, IMHO!

[mili]

The certificate gives that error cause when I applied for it I mixed stuff up. If you look at it closely it says it was issued for secure.dssftp.com insted of dssftp.com (by inexperience with cert requests at that time)
It is however still working perfectly to SSL secure any traffic going back and forth between you and my server. Yes you can send a money order or cash if you feel brave not a problem, when you place an order you get a receipt with clear instructions where to mail your payment, I am getting MOs every day sent by UPS, USPS, Canadapost DHL and FEDEX. I agree a proxy is always a good idea except if you use one and a credit card to order I will notice the discrepancy and may ask you to verify that indeed you are the one who has that card and not a fraudster. You want total anonmity use a money order indeed. As a side note I don;t sell illegal goods, never had. I am well within the legal bounds of the UK where I am incorporated and the country I am working out of. I have been telling people for years, yo may pay $20 more if you buy from me but you will get the goods, you will have a warranty of 21 days from the day of receipt and I am here to stay and support it as best as I can. In this and I thin any business it is impossible to please all the people all the time as some are out to screw you from the get go but I do my best. I don't even try to please everyone all the time there will always be people who are either plain dumb, plain crazy and who think that they should be the exception to all the rules clearly stated. I never start shit but I always finish shit started by others, it just takes time. Bottom line is I do my best to give you your money's worth but you got to remember this is testing not Canadian Tire or Walmart.

mili

[hound_dog]

I havent bought anything. My equipment must have taken a bad update from the provider, or maybe a electrical storm did the damage? Dont think I've ordered anything questionalbe since pre black sunday.

[fetajr]

so where in canadian law does it say that an ATMEGA is an illegal device?, is the device itself illegal?, or is it when its programmed to do illegal stuff?, in that case what if i'm in canada, i have an atmega, but i'm using the receiver and atmega to receive D1SH and not Be11?

i'm ripping off an american provider but i'm in canada where the foreign company has no grounds to persecute me. But can Be11 do anything about it?

[Bandit5906]

RCMP might disagree.

[ROTTEN]

C & P
Reputable word is surfacing that both ModChipIt and DishMonkey are compromised and shut down. It's also reported that SatTech.Info is compromised.
Apparently, the Syndrome card and AVR-X card buyer lists have been obtained by Charlie and BEV from the 2 suppliers.
Word on the street has it that Charlie has started a new counter offensive similar to that of Dave. Charlie now claims to have have planted strokers in the community to mine the situation. Strokers are those that claim to help testers while minig data for Charlie. An arrest warrant has been issued for a Milton Anderson AKA: Mili in the Bahamas, a ward of the United States
Time for mili to start that 12 step program! Ha-ha
if you're gonna post a C&P at least have the decency to mention the moronic author of that crap...it was none other than BusRC who has been banned from almost every sat site known to man for his constant lies and flaming

[fubr]

BusRC is a known liar any post by him should be ignored.
even if true.

[Twostep]

Has anyone been able to confirm if these busts actually took place? If this is a civil case, as has been reported - then Monkey ain't in jail, and should have said something to somebody by now.

Milton Anderson, eh? Always wondered where the name MILI came from:rolleyes:

[seaboard18]

Its interesting that people buy illegal devices using a credit card.

So now that you have the payment thing worked out its time to buy that questionable device.

I know that I have to do this transaction through a Secure Web Site and I understand that a Certificate is required to place this order.



Just to clear the air Mili, [Its interesting that people buy illegal devices using a credit card.] There is a difference in an illegal device and a [questionable device.]. The first statement was never intended to imply that you would sell an illegal device. This thread involved alleged sales of illegal devices from alleged dealers that are not involved directly with your operation. A [questionable device] is a fair statement in describing how a person interested in obtaining such a device should purchase such a device so that he/she can protect his/her identity.

Secure Certificates are stored for a time on individual computers that contain undesirable information about where transactions are made. The choice to accept such a certificate is left up to the individual purchasing the device. The post was intended to show people that an Anonymous transaction is possible using the guideline that I wrote.

If you feel that the post was out of order, please accept my apology. I'm not sure how you could intemperate it in an adverse way since it was intended to try to help you, not hurt you.



The certificate gives that error cause when I applied for it I mixed stuff up. If you look at it closely it says it was issued for secure.dssftp.com insted of dssftp.com (by inexperience with cert requests at that time)
It is however still working perfectly to SSL secure any traffic going back and forth between you and my server. Yes you can send a money order or cash if you feel brave not a problem, when you place an order you get a receipt with clear instructions where to mail your payment, I am getting MOs every day sent by UPS, USPS, Canadapost DHL and FEDEX. I agree a proxy is always a good idea except if you use one and a credit card to order I will notice the discrepancy and may ask you to verify that indeed you are the one who has that card and not a fraudster. You want total anonmity use a money order indeed. As a side note I don;t sell illegal goods, never had. I am well within the legal bounds of the UK where I am incorporated and the country I am working out of. I have been telling people for years, yo may pay $20 more if you buy from me but you will get the goods, you will have a warranty of 21 days from the day of receipt and I am here to stay and support it as best as I can. In this and I thin any business it is impossible to please all the people all the time as some are out to screw you from the get go but I do my best. I don't even try to please everyone all the time there will always be people who are either plain dumb, plain crazy and who think that they should be the exception to all the rules clearly stated. I never start shit but I always finish shit started by others, it just takes time. Bottom line is I do my best to give you your money's worth but you got to remember this is testing not Canadian Tire or Walmart.
mili

[Bandit5906]

if you're gonna post a C&P at least have the decency to mention the moronic author of that crap...it was none other than BusRC who has been banned from almost every sat site known to man for his constant lies and flaming

Rotten;

I did not think it was good manners to include the author with the C & P and that was the reason I mentioned that it was a C & P.

[cancom]

so where in canadian law does it say that an ATMEGA is an illegal device?, is the device itself illegal?, or is it when its programmed to do illegal stuff?, in that case what if i'm in canada, i have an atmega, but i'm using the receiver and atmega to receive D1SH and not Be11?
i'm ripping off an american provider but i'm in canada where the foreign company has no grounds to persecute me. But can Be11 do anything about it?

Piracy of Foreign Satellite in Canada:

On July 19, 1988, the Minister of Communications, the Honourable Flora MacDonald, stated the goal of the proposed legislation:
This Bill does not seek to limit choice and does not restrict choices …
I want to make it very clear that this legislation does not erect barriers against programming that is not Canadian …
Commons Debates, July 19, 1998, p. 17746
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Re: Reception of Encrypted Satellite Programming Signals by Canadians
"American radio and television signals have been readily available to the Canadian public prior to the emergence of satellite technology. No effort was ever made by Canadian authorities to block the reception of such signals nor, in my view, would any such effort be legal" (Honourable Justice C. E Haliburton ) Nova Scotia Superior Court"Mere (reception) of 'pirate' or 'grey market' programming signal is insufficient to constitute an offence under s. 10(1)(b).." Honourable Justice Klebuc) Saskatchewan Superior Court

"Cuba imposes serious penalties on citizens who attempt to receive radio and television signals from international sources. Such interference is clearly incompatible with freedom of speech and the freedoms which we have always taken for granted in this Country" (Honourable Justice C. E. Haliburton ) Nova Scotia Superior Court

As one of the results of the actions being taken on your behalf is to deny Canadians the freedoms of choice and of expression (which not incidentally are guaranteed by both the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and by Canada being a signatory to the United Nations Covenant on Human Rights), you must be reminded of the stated intentions of the legislators who drafted and enacted these sections: "I want to make it very clear that this legislation does not erect barriers against programming that is not Canadian…" (The Honourable Flora MacDonald, July 19th, 1988)
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DATE: 20010420
DOCKET: C35006
COURT OF APPEAL FOR ONTARIO
CATZMAN, WEILER and ROSENBERG JJ.A.
B E T W E E N :
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN ) D.D. Graham Reynolds, Q.C.
) for the appellant
Appellant
- and -
DAWN BRANTON and 1254719 ) Alan D. Gold and Maureen J.
ONTARIO LTD. (c.o.b. TECH ) McGuire, for the respondents
ELECTRONICS and ELECTRONICS)
PLUS
The motions judge heard the application on June 26 and July 31, 2000. He released his reasons for judgment on September 8, followed by supplementary reasons on September 11 ([2000] O.J. No. 3325). In his reasons released on September 8, the motions judge stated at para. 27:

Needless to say, the case law is in extreme conflict which could be regarded as a message to the Government of Canada that the law needs to be clarified so as to save Canadians, like the applicants and seemingly many others, the business losses and legal costs incurred to make answer to the charges laid by the RCMP seeking to enforce a poorly-worded quasi-criminal provision in the RCA.

If the Government of Canada wants to prohibit Canadians from receiving satellite signals from any source other than those which it approves of, then the Government should say so clearly so Canadians will be aware that receiving unauthorized signals will be treated as an offence. 9(1)(c) of the RCA is not ambiguous and that the plain wording of the legislation, when read in context and with a purposive approach, imposes an absolute bar on the reception of signals from other jurisdictions.

The majority judgment of Finch J.A. of the B.C. Court of Appeal rejected this argument at paras. 39-43:

¶ 39 Section 9(1)(c) is directed at regulation of the recipient, but, with respect, I am unable to see in the section anything that suggests the regulation is intended to apply to foreign signals. As the learned chambers judge said at [(2000), 191 D.L.R. (4th) 662 at para. 18] it would have been easy enough for Parliament to choose language prohibiting the reception of encrypted subscription program signals no matter where they originated. But it did not do so. It chose to regulate in respect only of signals sent by "lawful distributors" or in other words, thoseauthorized under Canadian legislation.

¶ 40 The plaintiff also pointed to the words in the definition of "subscription program signal" as a radio communication intended for receipt "in Canada or elsewhere" as evidence of a legislative intention to prohibit reception of an encrypted subscription program signal originating outside Canada. However, the fact that a subscription program signal originating outside Canada was intended for reception outside Canada, does not avoid the requirement in s. 9(1)(c) that the decoding of such signals is only unlawful if it is done without the authorization of a lawful distributor.

¶ 41 It is also, in my view, important to remember that this legislation bears penal consequences. Section 10(1)(b) of the [RCA] makes it an offence to facilitate the activity proscribed in s. 9(1)(c). The offence is punishable by fine or imprisonment. If there is any ambiguity in s. 9(1)(c) it must therefore be interpreted narrowly: see R. v. McIntosh, [1995] 1 S.C.R. 686, and Marcotte v. Deputy Attorney General of Canada, [1976] 1 S.C.R. 108.

¶ 42 The appellant's interpretation of the section would include conduct not clearly prohibited by the language of the section, and would extend the ambit of the offence to decoding foreign encrypted subscription program signals originating outside Canada. Language clearly creating such an offence is not used in the statute. The scope of the offence created should not be enlarged by implication or by reading in.

¶ 43 In my respectful view, these considerations are sufficient to conclude that the learned chambers judge did not err in his interpretation of the section, and that the appeal should therefore be dismissed.
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If you are in Canada and hacking Bell, that is another story and you'd better get out that cast-iron-band-aid for your butt.

[rigger99]

so is it against the law to buy avr-x or do you have to get caught using it?
I have bought two cards from DM and I'm wondering should I cut my losses now? I know allot of people that have bought this card in Canada and that are using it for BEV.:(

[James-x]

yah what would they do in canada if you got cought with the stuff?

[shopright]

I would not worry were little fish I would worry about the deal that ModChipIt and DishMonkey are going to cut and give up the big fishs the wheels are in motion all roads lead back to the usa.

[4mamouth]

The Dish Monkey investigaion is still ongoing meaning more people are going to get it thanks to Monkey.
It turns out he was behind the ROM101 initial hack in the summer of 2005 with the coders who got into the card were hiding behind him. Monkey was basically collecting cards from smaller dealers, passing them to the coders for programming.. Echostar wants to know who hacked their card and how so they are holding Monkey hostage until he talks. When FTA, AVR-X and private Atmegas came out the same group of people introduced the Syndrome cards and Modded Unlockers. The initial ROM101 hack was marketed by a guy in Montreal. He asked Monkey to handle everything and decided not to get involved. Amongst the busted was the Bramtronics assembly house, who argue they didn't know what the devices were and were just doing their job. Monkey's defence is that the products were not for Hellvu and Dish. It is a very well thought out defense NOT.At this poing the Moneky's passport has beel confiscated but he is already telling people he will continue business out of the country. Maybe he will relocate by swimming across of of the oceans as without a passport his only other option to hike across the artic cirle is rather strenous. If he ever beats the rep, there are all the COD signatures, the years of unpaid taxes etc etc... If you are one of his customers and had stuff delivered to your real name and address you will have a helluva time denying it with the COD and all.
Charlie puting GPS in your goods is bullshit. BEV once put a hidden camera into a receiver they had a dealer in Toronto hack and then used that video to bust him. That is as clandestine and the hiring or private eyes and stings aimed at dealers as they ever done.

[madmadmad]

ok lets look at it this way. if a device can be used for things other than testing sat. then it is hard for them to prove you are using it solely for stealing sat. going back to the d*ve day an iso programmer could be used for many items however a bootloader was only for stealing sat and nothing else. so if you got items that had other uses other than sat then i would say relax a little. maybe we need to post a sections listing other uses for testing equipment here so people won't panic as much?

[larryking123]

ok lets look at it this way. if a device can be used for things other than testing sat. then it is hard for them to prove you are using it solely for stealing sat. going back to the d*ve day an iso programmer could be used for many items however a bootloader was only for stealing sat and nothing else. so if you got items that had other uses other than sat then i would say relax a little. maybe we need to post a sections listing other uses for testing equipment here so people won't panic as much?

Sorry man , that doesnt cut it.
we are all hear for one reason period.

[BlackCat944T]

You want to feel better about yourselfs about testing BEV....

Google " Antonio Meucci " :D

BTW... Nothing will happen to the end user, the law usually goes after the people that are making the profits.

The Great Whites of the sea....
Not the Gold Fish....

[burnt_servo]

Sorry man , that doesnt cut it.
we are all hear for one reason period.


really , you mean your here for the same reason i'm here ????


i keep hearing voices in my head , telling me how to translate the signals in my back yard into something others can see and hear , so they don't think i'm crazy .
i'm not sure if the signals are the same ones from bev and dish , but at least i'm listening to the voices in my head , and trying to follow through . :D:D:D

[rigger99]

But my Question was ... can they charge you for buying the card? (AVR-X) or do they have to prove that you used it? I mean is it illegal to buy the:rolleyes: AVR-X or just to use it?

[BlackCat944T]

They can't charge you for buying the card, it is not illagal to use it, IFF its for your own personal use.

For example, if you own an establishment lets say like a Sports Bar... there is a huge pay per view event, you go ahead and use the card to discamble the event so your customers can watch it. That is Illegal, since you would be gaining money from liquor and food sales as profits.

That said.... If its for your Own Personal Use (testing, experimenting at home) they cannot do anything. Hence (the law) going after the people that make it possible to discramble signals (the big fish that sell equipment in volume)... not the users.

This is how it works in Canada anyways.

Cheers :cool:

[ROTTEN]

They can't charge you for buying the card, it is not illagal to use it, IFF its for your own personal use.

For example, if you own an establishment lets say like a Sports Bar... there is a huge pay per view event, you go ahead and use the card to discamble the event so your customers can watch it. That is Illegal, since you would be gaining money from liquor and food sales as profits.

That said.... If its for your Own Personal Use (testing, experimenting at home) they cannot do anything. Hence (the law) going after the people that make it possible to discramble signals (the big fish that sell equipment in volume)... not the users.

This is how it works in Canada anyways.

Cheers :cool:
it's time for you to stop living in a fantasy world

[BlackCat944T]

Me and everyone else who lives in the same city I'm in :D
Pesonally I like it here in NeverNever Land :)

The worse that can happen is that they take your receiver..... They'll need tractor trailer to go door to door picking up equipment... LMAO Before they come and take mine, they will have to bust all the peeps that are selling and profiting from the technology. PROFIT is the key operative word, PERSONAL USE is another 2 :cool: ... Kind of like drug distribution vs. personal use.

[Bandit5906]

Me and everyone else who lives in the same city I'm in :D
Pesonally I like it here in NeverNever Land :)

The worse that can happen is that they take your receiver..... They'll need tractor trailer to go door to door picking up equipment... LMAO Before they come and take mine, they will have to bust all the peeps that are selling and profiting from the technology. PROFIT is the key operative word, PERSONAL USE is another 2 :cool: ... Kind of like drug distribution vs. personal use.

Remember when Dave sent out all those letters based upon records that were obtained from busts they made of dealers. Dave thought he had hit a goldmine, but the judge saw it otherwise and threw out Dave's greedy little game.The fact that we had some equipment did not mean we were guilty.

Dave was lucky he wasn't sued for harassment. The fact that I own a gun doesn't make me a killer, a computer doesn't mean I'm a hacker or spammer, and a card or an ISO programmer doesn't mean I'm a thief. They have to be able to prove you were using it and not just have the equipment in your posession, IMHO, or course.

[cojones]

FUCK'EM ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D Between me ,my computers and my tv i don't know which one works less right now!!!!:D

[fubr]

The Dish Monkey investigaion is still ongoing meaning more people are going to get it thanks to Monkey.
It turns out he was behind the ROM101 initial hack in the summer of 2005 with the coders who got into the card were hiding behind him. Monkey was basically collecting cards from smaller dealers, passing them to the coders for programming.. Echostar wants to know who hacked their card and how so they are holding Monkey hostage until he talks. When FTA, AVR-X and private Atmegas came out the same group of people introduced the Syndrome cards and Modded Unlockers. The initial ROM101 hack was marketed by a guy in Montreal. He asked Monkey to handle everything and decided not to get involved. Amongst the busted was the Bramtronics assembly house, who argue they didn't know what the devices were and were just doing their job. Monkey's defence is that the products were not for Hellvu and Dish. It is a very well thought out defense NOT.At this poing the Moneky's passport has beel confiscated but he is already telling people he will continue business out of the country. Maybe he will relocate by swimming across of of the oceans as without a passport his only other option to hike across the artic cirle is rather strenous. If he ever beats the rep, there are all the COD signatures, the years of unpaid taxes etc etc... If you are one of his customers and had stuff delivered to your real name and address you will have a helluva time denying it with the COD and all.
Charlie puting GPS in your goods is bullshit. BEV once put a hidden camera into a receiver they had a dealer in Toronto hack and then used that video to bust him. That is as clandestine and the hiring or private eyes and stings aimed at dealers as they ever done.
How do you know all this about DM. You belive everything you say or you have inside info?
posting shit like this is CRAP.
1. If you do know why would you post it?
2. If you read it somewhere how do you know it is true therefore you are no authority on the matter just a gossiper.
3.There is no way to prove what your saying or that I know of nobody to defend you post so that alone makes it pointless.

Now I assure you some asshole has already taken what you posted and repeated it as thier own info and on and on......
People should not post SHIT about SHIT that they Know SHIT about.
Thats just how I feel.
Ofcourse you are free to post whatever, I am only expressing my opion on the matter and post like it and this seems as good a place as any


Hey You guys have a great night :)

[Bandit5906]

So what you're saying fubar is that there is no point in spreading gossip that could not possibly be true (if I read you correctly)?

I agree completely: until someone who is either reliable or has direct knowledge then this is pointless. Also no person who fits the above critiera would ever post anything about this issue anyway.

[cancom]

The LAW:

On July 19, 1988, the Minister of Communications, the Honourable Flora MacDonald, stated the goal of the proposed legislation:
" This Bill does not seek to limit choice and does not restrict choices …
I want to make it very clear that this legislation does not erect barriers against programming that is not Canadian … "
Commons Debates, July 19, 1998, p. 17746

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re: Reception of Encrypted Satellite Programming Signals by Canadians

"American radio and television signals have been readily available to the Canadian public prior to the emergence of satellite technology. No effort was ever made by Canadian authorities to block the reception of such signals nor, in my view, would any such effort be legal" (Honourable Justice C. E Haliburton ) Nova Scotia Superior Court"Mere (reception) of 'pirate' or 'grey market' programming signal is insufficient to constitute an offence under s. 10(1)(b).." Honourable Justice Klebuc) Saskatchewan Superior Court

"Cuba imposes serious penalties on citizens who attempt to receive radio and television signals from international sources. Such interference is clearly incompatible with freedom of speech and the freedoms which we have always taken for granted in this Country" (Honourable Justice C. E. Haliburton ) Nova Scotia Superior Court

As one of the results of the actions being taken on your behalf is to deny Canadians the freedoms of choice and of expression (which not incidentally are guaranteed by both the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and by Canada being a signatory to the United Nations Covenant on Human Rights), you must be reminded of the stated intentions of the legislators who drafted and enacted these sections: "I want to make it very clear that this legislation does not erect barriers against programming that is not Canadian…" (The Honourable Flora MacDonald, July 19th, 1988)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DATE: 20010420
DOCKET: C35006
COURT OF APPEAL FOR ONTARIO
CATZMAN, WEILER and ROSENBERG JJ.A.
B E T W E E N :
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN ) D.D. Graham Reynolds, Q.C.
) for the appellant
Appellant
- and -
DAWN BRANTON and 1254719 ) Alan D. Gold and Maureen J.
ONTARIO LTD. (c.o.b. TECH ) McGuire, for the respondents
ELECTRONICS and ELECTRONICS)
PLUS

The motions judge heard the application on June 26 and July 31, 2000. He released his reasons for judgment on September 8, followed by supplementary reasons on September 11 ([2000] O.J. No. 3325). In his reasons released on September 8, the motions judge stated at para. 27:
Needless to say, the case law is in extreme conflict which could be regarded as a message to the Government of Canada that the law needs to be clarified so as to save Canadians, like the applicants and seemingly many others, the business losses and legal costs incurred to make answer to the charges laid by the RCMP seeking to enforce a poorly-worded quasi-criminal provision in the RCA.

If the Government of Canada wants to prohibit Canadians from receiving satellite signals from any source other than those which it approves of, then the Government should say so clearly so Canadians will be aware that receiving unauthorized signals will be treated as an offence. 9(1)(c) of the RCA is not ambiguous and that the plain wording of the legislation, when read in context and with a purposive approach, imposes an absolute bar on the reception of signals from other jurisdictions.

The majority judgment of Finch J.A. of the B.C. Court of Appeal rejected this argument at paras. 39-43:
¶ 39 Section 9(1)(c) is directed at regulation of the recipient, but, with respect, I am unable to see in the section anything that suggests the regulation is intended to apply to foreign signals. As the learned chambers judge said at [(2000), 191 D.L.R. (4th) 662 at para. 18] it would have been easy enough for Parliament to choose language prohibiting the reception of encrypted subscription program signals no matter where they originated. But it did not do so. It chose to regulate in respect only of signals sent by "lawful distributors" or in other words, thoseauthorized under Canadian legislation.
¶ 40 The plaintiff also pointed to the words in the definition of "subscription program signal" as a radio communication intended for receipt "in Canada or elsewhere" as evidence of a legislative intention to prohibit reception of an encrypted subscription program signal originating outside Canada. However, the fact that a subscription program signal originating outside Canada was intended for reception outside Canada, does not avoid the requirement in s. 9(1)(c) that the decoding of such signals is only unlawful if it is done without the authorization of a lawful distributor.
¶ 41 It is also, in my view, important to remember that this legislation bears penal consequences. Section 10(1)(b) of the [RCA] makes it an offence to facilitate the activity proscribed in s. 9(1)(c). The offence is punishable by fine or imprisonment. If there is any ambiguity in s. 9(1)(c) it must therefore be interpreted narrowly: see R. v. McIntosh, [1995] 1 S.C.R. 686, and Marcotte v. Deputy Attorney General of Canada, [1976] 1 S.C.R. 108.
¶ 42 The appellant's interpretation of the section would include conduct not clearly prohibited by the language of the section, and would extend the ambit of the offence to decoding foreign encrypted subscription program signals originating outside Canada. Language clearly creating such an offence is not used in the statute. The scope of the offence created should not be enlarged by implication or by reading in.
¶ 43 In my respectful view, these considerations are sufficient to conclude that the learned chambers judge did not err in his interpretation of the section, and that the appeal should therefore be dismissed.

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In other words, if you are hacking Dishnet in Canada the Judge in effect said BIG HAIRY FARGIN DEAL the law wasn't intended to make this a crime.

Hack Bell in Canada and you are commiting a criminal offence.

Most products sold by DishMonkey could be used for either Dishnet or Bell. May I suggest you were hacking Dish!!!

cancom

[Bandit5906]

Are there any court cases which support your conclusion in particular?

[JT]

No court cases Bandit, but that is definately the general trend in enforcement in canook land. Cancom knows what he's talking about. Too bad the policy wasn't the same in the US.

[BlackCat944T]

It seems that history must be rewritten if justice is to be done to an immigrant from Florence, Italy: Antonio Meucci, who invented the telephone in 1849 and filed his first patent caveat (notice of intention to take out a patent) in 1871, setting into motion a series of mysterious events and injustices which would be incredible were they not so well documented.

On June 15, 2002, the USA Congress officially recognized that he was to be credited with the invention of the telephone.

Here in Canada, the parlament retaliated by passing a resolution recognizing Canadian immigrant Alexander Graham Bell as the only inventor of the telephone.


NO Further Comment :cool:

[larryking123]

what does all the legal ram jamma mean, poor mans language

[JT]

BlackCat944t's post is not relavent in today's world. Don't stress about it Larry.

[alsouthster]

No expert on this but I have some legal knowledge or at least I think I do
The situation in Canuckastan is in a state of flux
Nothing has been decided as to nothing, really
It is not "legal" or even "quasi-legal" to hack Dish in Canada... tho yer chances of being prosecuted are remote if you are just an end user
Since the "decision" and the followups cited above, there have been numerous other developments, both on a provincial and national level
Also, legal perspective on an issue this sensitive changes w/each government, therefore our FATMAN Harper (it's ok for me to call him that, because I too could stand to lose 20 pounds) may rejig the rules
I.E. his base wants Fox, hates the CRTC, hates the artsy fags in Montreal living off the govt teat hahahaha
HOWEVER, the fact that Chuckles in conjuction w/Kudleski and the RCMP and probably black ops was able to assemble a cavalier intra-national posse to crack down on a bunch of small-time Canadian-based merchants just a while ago is disturbing...

[BlackCat944T]

BlackCat944t's post is not relavent in today's world. Don't stress about it Larry.

This is because we all accepted what happened, there is substantial proof along with documentation that the telephone was NOT invented by Bell...... and besides that..... I never posted the Legal Ram Jamma that I could care less of.

Bell was a thief, now that should make me feel bad from watching a little TV from him ? .... LMFAO

AND Canada covered it up, today in Canada they still teach in school that Bell was the sole inventor. ( one of the biggest LIE in history )

And I agree with Alsouthster, no one cares about the end user hacking anything.... There are homes near where I live that have a clusters of up to 6 dishes (I'm sure they are all legal... LOL) We are small fish.... All they care about is cracking down on the people who make it possible (here in Canada) to descramble satellite signals. (The Big Fish)

Now if the end user were to start making copies of PPV events and Movies, start to sell DVDs for a profit, then, yes.... They would care about the end-users that are hacking satellite providers to make a profit.

[Bandit5906]

No expert on this but I have some legal knowledge or at least I think I do
The situation in Canuckastan is in a state of flux
Nothing has been decided as to nothing, really
It is not "legal" or even "quasi-legal" to hack Dish in Canada... tho yer chances of being prosecuted are remote if you are just an end user
Since the "decision" and the followups cited above, there have been numerous other developments, both on a provincial and national level
Also, legal perspective on an issue this sensitive changes w/each government, therefore our FATMAN Harper (it's ok for me to call him that, because I too could stand to lose 20 pounds) may rejig the rules
I.E. his base wants Fox, hates the CRTC, hates the artsy fags in Montreal living off the govt teat hahahaha
HOWEVER, the fact that Chuckles in conjuction w/Kudleski and the RCMP and probably black ops was able to assemble a cavalier intra-national posse to crack down on a bunch of small-time Canadian-based merchants just a while ago is disturbing...

My understanding was that, since DN did not have license to broadcast in Canada, it wasn't illegal to hack the signal.

Wrong? If they (DN) aren't licensed to be there how could it be illegal?

[BlackCat944T]

Agreed.... You can't steal something that is not there :)

Good one Bandit

[alsouthster]

According to a Canadian Supreme court decision in 2002 "the unauthorized decoding of encrypted signals from either domestic or foreign providers is against the law"

There is a strong "cultural" protectionist lobby in Canada...which is one of the reasons so many canadians hack Dish, to get channels they can't get legally

That said, I don't think a single end user in Canada has ever been charged with, for example, watching Charlie Chat. Or if he was, if it would stand up on appeal

[larryking123]

Question: Would it be illegal to watch GOLTV, it is not scrambled.
but we have to use device that can be considered ....ummm, well you know.

what ya'll think

[BlackCat944T]

If its Coming from DN or BEVs satellite... then it would be.

[Bandit5906]

According to a Canadian Supreme court decision in 2002 "the unauthorized decoding of encrypted signals from either domestic or foreign providers is against the law"

There is a strong "cultural" protectionist lobby in Canada...which is one of the reasons so many canadians hack Dish, to get channels they can't get legally

That said, I don't think a single end user in Canada has ever been charged with, for example, watching Charlie Chat. Or if he was, if it would stand up on appeal

I believe that was in reference to DTV (who has a license) and not DN (who lacks that license).

How could it be illegal to watch something that should not be there in the first place?

[alsouthster]

The purpose of the law is to protect the Canadian providers.
It stipulates that the only authorized signals are from the two licensed providers, Bev and Star Choice. Reception of all other encrypted signals is illegal.
I agree it's nuts and there are ongoing attempts to challenge it...but that is the reasoning...
hey we have all kinds of crazy broadcasting laws here. I.E. our Canadian Content rules, which among other things force radio stations to play lots of Canuck tunes.
Good for Guess Who, Gowan and Trooper, bad for listeners
apologies to Trooper fans

[smilingjack]

I wonder if the United States should ban Canadian shows / proudced Canadian shows producted / actors

In our coutnty,

the will take a bite out of their imports of TV shows.

[mili]

Jeez Jack. That stroke improved your judgement :-)

mili

[lefty]

I wonder if the United States should ban Canadian shows / proudced Canadian shows producted / actors

In our coutnty,

the will take a bite out of their imports of TV shows.

Yeah! We need to build an electronic fence! Keep the CA out of the USA!

:rolleyes: :D :D :D :D :D ;)

PS: Please note the smilies......

[smilingjack]

HILTLER and then RUSSIA tried keeping people for out of reciveng coutry out too.

Wonder whats Canadian up with them too, the were a part of "RFE"
They going commiuist too

If the studios can't keep the enchreptd and what ever coutrys the should be, the hell with them, the law does not belong in privete sector portecting private intrests.

[alsouthster]

Jack, you don't really want to keep us Canadians out, surely?
You wouldn't have Neil Young, half of SNL, Austin Powers, Elisha Cuthbert...
ummm....
hockey...Larry Walker....
uhhh....Barenaked Ladies?
...ok I'll quit while I'm ahead
But essentially yeah that is what Canada tries to do, put up an "electric fence."
Basically a dumb idea and it doesn't work anyway, fence has too many holes ;)

[smilingjack]

I was thing of Amadma Tapping (stargate)

[Bandit5906]

Welcome back (to your old self) SJ!

[fubr]

no reason to call him old just because he is! :)

[Bandit5906]

Well, I still have pet rock that rolls whenever Jack calls him! He must be older than that!

[smilingjack]

Well not back,
but getting better every day,
I can use more word that make sence.

Getting old, hell is some bitch :)