All sorta nasty news

[mili]

I think Charlie is starting to activate all the new tricks in the new firmwares. Preliminary logs show that they are starting to change the session key more often and not just at boot-up. This has been confirmed for the 2800 receivers. Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble as the algorithms have changed and repeated session keys will be negotiated by the IRD. It looks like D-Day for Dishnetwork has arrived! Expect massive attacks to start on all receivers within 1-2 weeks. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.

Other news.

FTA Dealers are being pursued and nasty letters sent to them. They are either closing down shop or will get it in the butt. You can see most have pulled advertisings already on forums as they know advertising legal FTA stuff on pirate forums is what got some FTA dealers into trouble already. Expect the legal action to pick up alongside of ECMs.

Other news.

A lot of prominent members in this hobby have been turned by Charlie. Careful people!!!

mili

[alsouthster]

jesus Mili, how's it going otherwise? :)

[OverEasy]

"Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble "

Mili which Devices are you talking about IRDs ??

[fubr]

I have the gift of seeing into the past.
I will let you know how it turns out.
I saw black screens, new members panicking cause they got in game so late.
smart people working hard to get us back up and a few people claiming they know stuff but cant talk about it in public.
and of course the best ones remain silent and throw us a bone via a proxy for our testing fix.....
Damn I love this shit :)

[bisk]

a big Fuck you to Charlie and a Blow me to bev, bring it bitch, there will always be someone smarter and better that will learn how to get around all there new bullshit, i say fuk em all !!!

[fubr]

thanks for the ole heads up Mili
we will see in a few whats up.
Now this guy above me dont like charlie is the impression I get

[alsouthster]

haha Fubr!!
if I was to upload a schematic of my palm could you read it?

[fubr]

Mili dont dig this shit out his ass, he usually is on to something.
better than our guessing and speculation

[alsouthster]

I wasn't being ironic! your post is the one of the best I've ever seen ;)

FUBR PREDICTS!
I have the gift of seeing into the past.
I will let you know how it turns out.
I saw black screens, new members panicking cause they got in game so late.
smart people working hard to get us back up and a few people claiming they know stuff but cant talk about it in public.
and of course the best ones remain silent and throw us a bone via a proxy for our testing fix.....
Damn I love this shit

[studmonkey76]

Mili,
if you have more info on this, can you please post
will it just effect FTA, rom cards or what? thanks

[seaboard18]

I think Charlie is starting to activate all the new tricks in the new firmwares. Preliminary logs show that they are starting to change the session key more often and not just at boot-up. This has been confirmed for the 2800 receivers. Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble as the algorithms have changed and repeated session keys will be negotiated by the IRD. It looks like D-Day for Dishnetwork has arrived! Expect massive attacks to start on all receivers within 1-2 weeks. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.
.mili

Hi Mili,
In my opinion I think your statement is credible because you linked it with firmware updates and stream log connections including the 16 byte session key. I am disappointed that all your testing seems to be limited to the 2800 series IRD. If this is your work could you include the stream log(s) for at least 5 sessions so that they can be evaluated independently by others to confirm your findings. It would be nice to find these relationships in the logs of other IRD's so that this threat of ECM could be confirmed as a high probability. I can't see how you could predict a 1-2 week time frame from the logs. If this is not your work, please tell us how you came by this information.

Thanks,
Seaboard

[burnt_servo]

actually i think i may have already seen this on one station , about 3 or 4 channels up from the scifi channel ( i think it was one of the histroy channels ) around noon last friday .

the channel was totaly black , like a key change , but i had current keys , and it only affected that channel .

i just passed it off as an anomoly , but after reading this thread ..........

btw i'm running a 301.010 ( on 119 and 110 ), atemga and savtia's lastest hack .

if i see it again i'll start a thread in another section , if some one doesn't beat me too it .

[burnt_servo]

. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.

mili


just reread this , the 16 byte session key , is it stored in the eeprom ?

if so , i wonder if a eeprom lock of sorts might help ?

just kind of thinking out loud .

[fubr]

sure. locks are never a bad ideal.
Thing is it is going to be a headache for us.
Ird'd that can be jtaged can be fixed.cards that get looped can't.
tier updates and moving info around can be fixed IF we know where the info went and what it was.
Basically we need to see what happens before the guys can fix it.
When I said I can see in the past could also be said this way.
history shows
prediction
panic
ecm
location 000001 ird's
looped card and streamlocked cards
a ird fix
a unlocker for locked cards via a program from a smart person who loves testing
software updates for devices,
new blockers
a quick key change right out of the box
peace in the valley


60 % chance it will be on a Wednesday or Saturday if no major events are on ppv
there is also a 50/50 chance of rain each day, either it will or it wont :)

[studmonkey76]

i wish someone would post a stream log here to prove this is happening on a 2800....havent seen anything myself

[JT]

It's going to happen sooner or later studmonkey. Hopefully the fall out won't be that bad. What will posting a stream log do for you? Do you have the ability to decode that info?

[studmonkey76]

no. just wanted some proof that this is actually happening with a 2800 reciever like its being stated...thought maybe i can compare...i am running a 301.013 without any problems what so ever, but its an ex sub with married ex sub card. its been asked here where the 16th byte is at is it in the eeprom? is this gonna effect just avx, fta, syndrome cards or is it gonna effect rom cards and cardless recievers? no one seems to be answering many questions. if mili knows whats going on, i wish he would post more info as in whats happening with the 2800.

[mili]

I am merely parroting these things, I got a few people who have proven themselves in the past and are highly technical and do not wish to be visible. I asked for confirmation and when I get it I will post it.

mili

[Crazy1_79]

Anyone can give a educated guess and Mili may very well be right if he has confirmation from his sources, but until the ECM or packet decryption aglorithim changes, no one can be 100 percent positive.

[studmonkey76]

thanks mili thats what i wanted to hear...i am not doubting you or anyone else, just was wondering in more detail what might be effected.

[Ohms]

Thanks Mili. It's really great to get these types of updates, even if there is partial speculation included. It gives us all something to look for so when the SHTF we will not be wondering WTF. :)

[arms]

Will this be for both avr-x and plastic? I have not done any plastic since Dave and that was a year ago. ARMS

[mili]

This is a news not a sales recommendation for those who just LOVE to spread shit every time I post something. There is nothing to do at this point, nothing to buy nothing to prevent, nothing to prepare for. This was only a heads up as to what all these firmware updates are for. I asked the guys who provide me with tech news from time to time to elaborate.

mili

[stickboyz]

my 2800 does act up once in a while.. current firmware etc... I found if I just leave it on there are no problems!

OTHERWISE the problems I encountered was black screen.. the keys were correct firmware was correct.. the only way to fix it was to pull card and insert.. a few other minor problems otherwise I just leave it on!

PS: im running 3 receivers.. 2800, 3100 and 501 PVR

other 2 are fine!!!!!!

[JT]

Let's face it. It's not much of a game right now. (this is my prefrence, but it's unrealistic to expect it to last forever) Everything works right now. At some point, you got to know the service providers are gonna try something to scale back our options. Here pretty quick we're gonna see what they can do, and hopefully, probably, we'll come up with a way to keep things going. Who knows, the AVR-X could even turn out to be one of the best ways to test if the other team decides to show up for the game. At some point though, the opposing team has got to try something. This free for all that's going on now isn't going to last forever even as much as we would all like it to.

[fubr]

Whats that fuckers name, sun tsu?
he said when trying to stop signal decrypttion, you go for the big targets first, then the easy quickly defeated targets. Then the rest if they present a threat.
point being maybe the ribbon cable will save our ass when they do something in the firmware.
other ways will require a jtag and a tsop mod. all we will need is a updated avr-x software app.

[Bandit5906]

sure. locks are never a bad ideal.
Thing is it is going to be a headache for us.
Ird'd that can be jtaged can be fixed.cards that get looped can't.
tier updates and moving info around can be fixed IF we know where the info went and what it was.
Basically we need to see what happens before the guys can fix it.
When I said I can see in the past could also be said this way.
history shows
prediction
panic
ecm
location 000001 ird's
looped card and streamlocked cards
a ird fix
a unlocker for locked cards via a program from a smart person who loves testing
software updates for devices,
new blockers
a quick key change right out of the box
peace in the valley
60 % chance it will be on a Wednesday or Saturday if no major events are on ppv
there is also a 50/50 chance of rain each day, either it will or it wont :)

Your sense of humor, complete with sarcasim is better than SNL or Comedy Central and I never watch them either.

The fall-out will be interesting to be sure.

[Ohms]

I can't believe they have been so inactive all this time. There are lots of things that could have been done very easily that would have made many "fixes" go down. Hell, when thousands of people are using the same IRD#, you would think they wouldn't have to look to far. I just hope they aren't saving up for something really mean. I have a feeling..... a bad feeling......

Just because I'm paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get me. :)

[tinhorse7911]

I have a good feeling your bad feeling is right!!

[seaboard18]

This is a news not a sales recommendation for those who just LOVE to spread shit every time I post something. There is nothing to do at this point, nothing to buy nothing to prevent, nothing to prepare for. This was only a heads up as to what all these firmware updates are for. I asked the guys who provide me with tech news from time to time to elaborate.
mili


Its obvious that the so called Advanced Coders at Rom10x understands this threat. No comments means denial. There is enough information in your original post that would get their attention quickly. The thread was doomed from the start and some of there members tried to take advantage of you quickly. This is the kind of news that hurt sales and unlike this forum, regardless of sales, you tell the truth to your members.

The main key delivery sites have had problems updating the keys for the last two key changes. I am sure you are aware of this information. I knew that a problem was brewing about a week ago. However, I did not think it was quite this involved until last night. If you get any new information, please share it, it would be appreciated.

[Bandit5906]

I can't believe they have been so inactive all this time. There are lots of things that could have been done very easily that would have made many "fixes" go down. Hell, when thousands of people are using the same IRD#, you would think they wouldn't have to look to far. I just hope they aren't saving up for something really mean. I have a feeling..... a bad feeling......

Just because I'm paranoid, it does not mean they are not out to get me. :)

No, they're out to get us all in spite of the fact that most, some or a few of us still subscribe to their stupid programming. They are becoming as bad as BEV recently.

[seaboard18]

Let's face it. It's not much of a game right now. (this is my prefrence, but it's unrealistic to expect it to last forever) Everything works right now. At some point, you got to know the service providers are gonna try something to scale back our options. Here pretty quick we're gonna see what they can do, and hopefully, probably, we'll come up with a way to keep things going. Who knows, the AVR-X could even turn out to be one of the best ways to test if the other team decides to show up for the game. At some point though, the opposing team has got to try something. This free for all that's going on now isn't going to last forever even as much as we would all like it to.

That is correct JT. If the provider does not secure his network, at least temporarily, he will not be providing anything much longer. He has to follow rules set forth by the government. The rules do not say that he can provide free tv! He declared amnesty to the pirates so that they would help him for free to secure his network. Testers give him expert advice and lots of free labor and code. He understands that the majority of testers will purchase a sub as a last resort in the end. At the end of N1 testing, his subscriptions went up by about 2 million in the U.S. alone.

FTA is wide spread and helps keep free TV going in a big way. Killing his IRD's is not really as difficult as it seems to the general testing community. FTA prevents a secure system. For this hit to work for him, FTA must go down or else his quest for a secure system is in vain.

[Bandit5906]

Peeps who've been doing this know and understand that, but the noobs don't know and think they deserve it. In the end they always win and it's anyone's guess how long they will be the winners.

One has only to look at DTV to know what can happen and pray it doesn't come to that!

[Ohms]

Shhhhhhh Bandit. Don't even think about that.

[yanko]

technical difficulties: i've got a blank screen on my dp301ecostar dish net receiver, I can see the program heading but the screen remains blank need help

[Bandit5906]

re-post this into whichever testing method you are using: i.e. AVR-X, plastic, ATmega, etc.

[mruk69]

All this in time for the World Cup, Charlie, have a fucking heart you arse hole.

[skinerd]

The problem with testing, this site and others, tell DN exactly what is working and what is not, we do a lot of confirmation for them, they learn from it. One day testing as we know it will stop, gotta understand that, it may change, it may completely go away...but one thing for certain it is going to change. When and how is yet to be determined. Stay connected, learn what you can, then when it happens you'll be a prepared as you can be........until then.......be happy, don't worry.....cause there is NOTHING you can do about it...short of subbing.....but that's no fun....

[1one]

So............ If he can get key change packets to every 5 min. or so? What all testing methods would be gone? Hmmm?

[Bandit5906]

To date he has been unable to do that with even sub equipment. Time will tell.

[1one]

Ah.....But if he perfects his key change. It will narrow the possible testing methods quickly.

[JT]

Just gonna throw out a notion, some food for thought. Why couldn't all these guys that are so good with writing blockers and code for the rom apply their skills to modifying the firmware for the boxes rather than relying on the firmware provided by the service providers? Kind of along the same lines as the NoRSA mod but a little more involved. I just don't see how the service providers messing with their firmware is gonna keep us down for very long. The box's firmware has got to be easier to work with than all the traps and pitfalls that go with a rom card. This is going to be a new era if that's where this is leading, but I can't see that strategy paying off in the long run. No doubt it will cause us all some temprorary inconvienences, but I anticipate we'll get around it somehow. Let's metaphorically board up all the windows and make sure the generator is working properly and we have some bottled water, but if I had to guess I'd say this storm will pass. Let's all cross our fingers and hope I'm not wrong.

[1one]

Seems to me that every time he updates firmware, then key changes slow. If he stuck to firmware and beefed up keychanges then we would be in trouble.

[Bandit5906]

Ah.....But if he perfects his key change. It will narrow the possible testing methods quickly.

It is not a key change problem as he can do that: his equipment will not support that approach.

[Cobrasnake]

Hope this isn't to stupid of a question but does this mean that I should hold off on buying one of the satellite systems?

I just heard about the new systems a week or so ago, use to have the old ones and now was looking at getting one of the new ones that someone was selling around here.

I don't know much about them and not sure if this is the same thing that your talking about or not, all I know is his system doesn't take cards and uses the 500 dish I do believe.

For the record I'm interested in learning about how to do the systems myself but at this point I don't trust buying the stuff to do it with that much and not sure if right now is the best time to learn with all the new stuff happening with people just now figuring out how to do the systems again and with charlie trying to keep people from doing them. I was actually trying to learn on the old ones but that was right about the same time everyone started talking about them switching cards...etc so I figured there was no use to learn at that point...lol

Anyway I'm also not sure about what the normal price is on these systems but the guy we suppose to be getting them off of (if we get one) is selling them for $400 and that counts the reciever and dish.

I wouldn't mind getting one but I don't want them to go out in a week or 2 and basically blow $400 but I don't want to wait and than after they have been out for 4 months get one when I could have had one alot sooner.

So basically I guess I'm just curious as to what you guys think? Like I said I don't know much about the system he's selling yet but our cousin has one and he said it doesn't use a card I believe but it has the PPV and Porn channels and all that with it. So I wouldn't mind getting it if it would last for atleast 4-6 months but I have no clue and the only thing I know about any of this stuff is what I've read on here so far.

Also just curious but about how much would it cost to get the stuff to do the systems yourself? just enough to do the new systems nothing special as long as it gets the job done. I know I would still have to learn how to do them but that's fine, I have no problem with putting in the effort to figure out / learn how to do them.

Thanks and sorry for the long message,

Oh also one reason I was just curious if I should hold off on getting the system is there's a sports event coming up on PPV in about 10 days that cost I believe $40 bucks that I would like to watch, so if I'm going to get one I would like to get one before then so I don't have to pay the extra $40 to watch it or not watch it at all. But I don't want to get it just to save the $40 on that event and than the dish go out and lose out on $400 and it could happen before the PPV event.

I know no one knows for sure what's going to happen but I guess opinions would be better than nothing, I mean if they do mess up the system I have no clue if that would be for good (atleast for those systems) or if they would be able to re-program them.

Anyway once again sorry for the long message and thanks for any help.

[Crow 492]

Remember guys when Dish or Bell make there move I hope the coders are on top of things.

The more they show us what they can do the more we learn about this hole N2 system Vs N1.

We are in a all new ball game know, lets hope we keep up with the score.

The more they show us the more we know

Just my 2 sence

[squegee]

So, if AVR is up and running, I'm in for another. Hell I've got a garage full of friggin IRD's, so if its another 125.00 for another couple of months of semi uninterrupted crap is the cost, here's my $0.02 (plus 124.98).

-Peace
Sq

[Bandit5906]

Hope this isn't to stupid of a question but does this mean that I should hold off on buying one of the satellite systems?

I just heard about the new systems a week or so ago, use to have the old ones and now was looking at getting one of the new ones that someone was selling around here.

I don't know much about them and not sure if this is the same thing that your talking about or not, all I know is his system doesn't take cards and uses the 500 dish I do believe.

So basically I guess I'm just curious as to what you guys think? Like I said I don't know much about the system he's selling yet but our cousin has one and he said it doesn't use a card I believe but it has the PPV and Porn channels and all that with it. So I wouldn't mind getting it if it would last for atleast 4-6 months but I have no clue and the only thing I know about any of this stuff is what I've read on here so far.

Also just curious but about how much would it cost to get the stuff to do the systems yourself? just enough to do the new systems nothing special as long as it gets the job done. I know I would still have to learn how to do them but that's fine, I have no problem with putting in the effort to figure out / learn how to do them.

Thanks and sorry for the long message,

Oh also one reason I was just curious if I should hold off on getting the system is there's a sports event coming up on PPV in about 10 days that cost I believe $40 bucks that I would like to watch, so if I'm going to get one I would like to get one before then so I don't have to pay the extra $40 to watch it or not watch it at all. But I don't want to get it just to save the $40 on that event and than the dish go out and lose out on $400 and it could happen before the PPV event.

I know no one knows for sure what's going to happen but I guess opinions would be better than nothing, I mean if they do mess up the system I have no clue if that would be for good (atleast for those systems) or if they would be able to re-program them.

Anyway once again sorry for the long message and thanks for any help.

No time like the present to learn. The sky is not falling (yet). I would however suggest the you look into mili's store to find out if the price you are considering paying is reasonable.

Honestly you could get a basic system for more like $150.00 if you don't need PVR. That would be complete with IRD, Dish & AVR-X card and programmer.

Read and read some more and then look into the store and E-bay.

[1one]

I agree bandit. Looks like one just feel in Mili's lap. $400.00 is outrageous. Look in mili's store. Bandit, look at it this way. If he could do a key change about once every 30 min..... he could basically put the rom 10 to bed along with the fta's. Who wants to have their program interupted that often? Still leaves 102, 103, cardless ird's. With that many people trying to get in on the learning curve cause problems with testing sites? I beleive it would be mass confusion for months.

[Pyotr]

Looks like this new attacks if/when it happens is going to be aimed at FTA,Atmega,rom10 correct?Any more tampering with firmware will just make the box a bigger target. But,I think the 101,102,103 and cardless will still be good for quite awhile. As long as they stay close to what a subbed card looks like. With Penga over at 10x and his new 107 blocker that's more and more likely. He used 107 info in the blocker itself.But as we all say,time will tell.

[1one]

Well said Pyotr. If and when.

[Bandit5906]

There was a time (back when) that Charlie tried to do the key change thing on a 10 minute cycle: this was in the days of ROM3 and ROM10 and he killed his own subs in that trial area. Good for him! I don't remember for sure, but I think he had to replace the IRD's that time.

Sort of like testing to see if the gun is loaded by pulling the trigger many times!

[studmonkey76]

is there any new info on this? ive read on other forums and not a one has anything else mentioned like this...

[fubr]

you must not have seen President Bush address the nation the other night.
Fox and CNN has been all over this, hard to belive you cant find any info on it.

Might be you tiers on your card have some of the info blocked.
Also check firmware on ird sometimes it causes info blackouts along with a good pop up blocker on your pc.

[playisfun60]

Will this effect the fta like coolsat 5000

[seaboard18]

So far Rom10x is treating it as a rumor. There was some discussion about this but there was nothing to indicate that anyone else but Mili has heard of this ECM threat. The only indicator that seems to be fact at this point deals with the last part of Mili's original post about a few FTA sponsors pulling there banners from testing sites.


FTA Dealers are being pursued and nasty letters sent to them. They are either closing down shop or will get it in the butt. You can see most have pulled advertising already on forums as they know advertising legal FTA stuff on pirate forums is what got some FTA dealers into trouble already. Expect the legal action to pick up alongside of ECMs.
Other news.
A lot of prominent members in this hobby have been turned by Charlie. Careful people!!!
mili


Mili said that he would post additional information once he received any new information.

I am merely parroting these things, I got a few people who have proven themselves in the past and are highly technical and do not wish to be visible. I asked for confirmation and when I get it I will post it.
mili

It would seem that this threat is limited to 2800 IRD's but if its possible on 2800's, its possible on all IRD's, due to the way in which it will be carried out.

I think Charlie is starting to activate all the new tricks in the new firmware. Preliminary logs show that they are starting to change the session key more often and not just at boot-up. This has been confirmed for the 2800 receivers. Devices actually calculating the session key will be in some trouble as the algorithms have changed and repeated session keys will be negotiated by the IRD. It looks like D-Day for Dishnetwork has arrived! Expect massive attacks to start on all receivers within 1-2 weeks. The attacks will focus on the 16 byte session key. Users will complain of black screens and search for new keys but in reality, the keys will not be changing.


Mili is careful about allowing rumors to be posted on his site. I would not think that Mili would start this thread before thinking it out first. Remember, nothing can be proven or any attempt made to fix what is working at the moment. Wednesday's are generally the day that the provider makes his move.

To Fubr...

I have not seen any info about this either, please elaborate.

[seaboard18]

371 Nag - Upgrade on 301.013 for CNN channel 200 is new as of a few minutes ago. CNN is not listed in the guide. Testing firmware still at P207, using the original Penga RSA Mod. This is not the case using a No RSA Mod in a different IRD. I did not take the upgrade and don't plan to do so at this time.

I'm not looking for a fix, I know how to fix it, this is just for information only for advanced testers that may wish to experiment a bit...

[studmonkey76]

I have CNN channel 200 up just fine...it still is in my guide also...using a married card to ex sub 301.013..

also my ird last week had p204. checked monday nite and it was forced to p342...i do have ask before downloading checked so i do know its a forced update

[studmonkey76]

you must not have seen President Bush address the nation the other night.
Fox and CNN has been all over this, hard to belive you cant find any info on it.

Might be you tiers on your card have some of the info blocked.
Also check firmware on ird sometimes it causes info blackouts along with a good pop up blocker on your pc.

were u referring to my post? i cant find any info on the possible ECM anywhere. Not on any other sites, no where...if u know where the info is, please post

[fubr]

never mind, I just saw that Charlie changed his mind just to piss Mili off and make his educated guess look like it was BS the whole time.


FUCK!! now I have to point out that I WAS FUCKIN WITH YOU!!!! or I will be accused of spreading rumors.
The reason you haven't Read about this anywhere is because every site has there own way of posting "latest news" and developements.....

relax and watch tv.

[studmonkey76]

i wasnt trying to seem ungrateful. i am happy that mili keeps us up to date on things like this. i know other sites dont post everything. nor was i trying to piss u off fubr...was just wondering what was up.

[seaboard18]

I have CNN channel 200 up just fine...it still is in my guide also...using a married card to ex sub 301.013..

also my ird last week had p204. checked monday nite and it was forced to p342...i do have ask before downloading checked so i do know its a forced update



My 301.013 still asks me to take the update on boot up. I did re-boot and CNN is back now. I like testing old firmware so I am not going to update this IRD until it either updates on its own or quits working completely. Since your IRD was forced updated makes me wonder if the provider can force this one to update... It would appear by the Nag. 371 that he can't do it just yet using this testing setup. Thanks for your input.

[JT]

....and Seaboard is the only guy I see reporting errors with his 301.13 or reception of CNN regardless of model. Guess that puts him in the same boat with Mili in the sense that they are reporting issues that you don't see reported anywhere else.

Don't worry about it studmonkey. I doubt very much there is an issue with fubr. He's so laid back I can't imagine there being a problem. Fubr was just funning around with his earlier posts. He's just trying to make it fun and keep it interesting. An effort I'm woefully inept at I might add....got to take it all in stride.

[fubr]

i wasnt trying to seem ungrateful. i am happy that mili keeps us up to date on things like this. i know other sites dont post everything. nor was i trying to piss u off fubr...was just wondering what was up.
your pretty far from pissing me off dude. Dont sweat that.

All I am saying is this is not community wide news, it is nothing your gonna hear on the news.
All Mili is saying is his tech buddies see things setting us up for an ecm.

If Mili had inside info , c'mon man he could not say "hey I got inside info from insiders"
like HE stated his friends with knowledge of this say it looks like there is going to be some action because of the firmware updates and the weird stuff on a 2800 data log.

[JT]

At some point the service providers have got to do something. So far they havn't really even tried to stop us as far as most of us can tell. Fundamentally we don't have any idea what they can do or how to keep the game going given their best effort. Mili's doing right by reminding us to keep our heads up even if the sky isn't falling right at this moment.

[studmonkey76]

i am grateful that mili does keep us up to date when he hears something....hopefully his tech buddies can let him know soon what they know..

[ericmcdo]

Sorry if I'm confused because my 2800 is still up. Is it that the 2800's should be ok, and everything else screwed? Or we will all eventually be toast?

[cojones]

05/17/2006: 1103 Software Version L3.57 for ViP 622 DVR
Effective Thursday, May 18th, Engineering plans to spool the FULL PHASE of software version L3.57 for the ViP 622 DVR receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time L3.57 will be the valid software version for the ViP 622 DVR.
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05/16/2006: 1100 Software Version P3.09 for DVR 501/508/510
Effective Wednesday, May 17th, Engineering plans to spool a PARTIAL PHASE of software version P3.09 for the DVR 501/508/510 receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time P3.07, P3.08, and P3.09 will be the valid software versions for the DVR 501/508/510.
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05/15/2006: 1935 Channel Moves

Effective Tuesday, May 16th at 1am, the following channel moves are scheduled. Channel Satellite Transponder Comments
221 PREVU 110 214 -> 210 Xponder move
537 HERE 110 206 -> 210 Xponder move
538 $1.99 (PPV) 110 210 -> 206 Xponder move



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05/09/2006: 1100 Software Version 1.14P for 3750
Effective Wednesday, May 10th, Engineering plans to spool the FULL PHASE of software version 1.14P for the 3750 receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time 1.14P will be the valid software version for the 3750.
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05/08/2006: 1935 Channel Moves
Effective Wednesday, May 10th at 1am, the following channel moves are scheduled.

Channel Satellite Transponder Comments
127 OXYGN 119 16 -> 10 Xponder move
123 FREE 119 -> 110 10 -> 210 Xponder move
203 BITV 110 210 -> 222 Xponder move
9410 LINK 110 222 -> 210 Xponder move
19027 BLMBG 110 210 -> 222 Xponder move
9400 RSRCH 110 215 -> 203 Xponder move
9404 UWTV 110 215 -> 203 Xponder move
9407 COLRS 110 215 -> 203 Xponder move
229 iSHOP 110 219 -> 203 Xponder move
197 DOC 110 215 -> 203 Xponder move
9403 BYUTV 110 205 -> 203 Xponder move
148 ESPNU 110 203 -> 205 Xponder move
194 DHOME 110 203 ->219 Xponder move
341 ENCRW 110 203 -> 215 Xponder move
855 FSESP 110 203 -> 215 Xponder move
859 CNNES 110 203 ->215 Xponder move
870 HTV 110 203 -> 215 Xponder move
187 HMC 110 219 -> 203 Xponder move




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05/02/2006: 1922 Software Version L2.86 for DVR 942
Effective Wednesday, May 3rd, Engineering plans to spool the FULL PHASE of software version L2.86 for the DVR 942 receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time L2.86 will be the valid software version for the DVR 942.
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04/26/2006: 1101 Software Version P2.48 for DP301
Effective Thursday, April 27th, Engineering plans to spool the FULL PHASE of software version P2.48 for the DP301 receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time P2.48, and P3.42 will be the valid software versions for the DP301.
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04/26/2006: 1100 Software Version L2.66 for ViP 211/DISH 411
Effective Thursday, April 27th, Engineering plans to spool the FULL PHASE of software version L2.66 for the ViP 211/DISH 411 receivers. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time L2.66 will be the valid software version for the ViP 211/DISH 411.
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04/25/2006: 1047 Software Version P2.48 for DP301
Effective Wednesday, April 26th, Engineering plans to spool a PARTIAL PHASE of software version P2.48 for the DP301 receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time P2.47, P2.48, and P3.42 will be the valid software versions for the DP301.
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04/24/2006: 1046 Software Version P3.22 for 4900
Effective Tuesday, April 25th, Engineering plans to spool the FULL PHASE of software version P3.22 for the 4900 receivers. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time P3.22 will be the valid software version for the 4900.
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04/24/2006: 1334 Software Version P2.48 for DP301
Effective Tuesday, April 25th, Engineering plans to spool a PARTIAL PHASE of software version P2.48 for the DP301 receiver. This is primarily a non-forced maintenance release available at ALL satellite locations.


At this time P2.47, P2.48, and P3.42 will be the valid software versions for the DP301.
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BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING OTHER THINGS WITH MOVING ALL THESE CHANNELS TO DIFFERENT TRANSPONDERS TOO!

[seaboard18]

....and Seaboard is the only guy I see reporting errors with his 301.13 or reception of CNN regardless of model. Guess that puts him in the same boat with Mili in the sense that they are reporting issues that you don't see reported anywhere else.




The IRD was never turned off JT. The session changed someway causing the 371 Nag.. I do not know why it happened this way, but I can assure you it did happen. The Nag said that if I wanted CNN, I would have to Upgrade and that is the truth. Maybe someone else will report this error later. Neither Mili or me have anything to gain spreading rumors. Your post is like Carl Sagan disbelieving that UFO's ever existed, even as intelligent as he was! And he was a user of marijuana.... :)

[seaboard18]

At 12:30 P.M today - Testing a 4900 using No RSA Mod, suddenly 0n channel 503, the screen turned green, losing audio and video, then turned black. The Ird then did a complete re-boot and became normal once again. Although I did not see the 301.013 at the same time, I did check it and I assume it also did a hard re-set because it was on channel 9900, showing the Congratulations screen for a Dish 500 setup. I am sure someone else had to notice this unusual incident because it affected two IRD's this time.

[Caddylover]

check to see if the aliens aren't f*cking with your dish cable.

[Bandit5906]

....and Seaboard is the only guy I see reporting errors with his 301.13 or reception of CNN regardless of model. Guess that puts him in the same boat with Mili in the sense that they are reporting issues that you don't see reported anywhere else.

Don't worry about it studmonkey. I doubt very much there is an issue with fubr. He's so laid back I can't imagine there being a problem. Fubr was just funning around with his earlier posts. He's just trying to make it fun and keep it interesting. An effort I'm woefully inept at I might add....got to take it all in stride.

Glad to hear that from you, JT!

[Cobrasnake]

Looks like this new attacks if/when it happens is going to be aimed at FTA,Atmega,rom10 correct?Any more tampering with firmware will just make the box a bigger target. But,I think the 101,102,103 and cardless will still be good for quite awhile. As long as they stay close to what a subbed card looks like. With Penga over at 10x and his new 107 blocker that's more and more likely. He used 107 info in the blocker itself.But as we all say,time will tell.

As stated before I'm still a newbie when it comes to these new systems, so was hoping someone could help me out.

I was just wanting to know if most of what was original said in this post was true, I may be getting a cardless reciever and was just wanting to know if those where being hit like the other systems or if they should still be good for a while?

I know my cousin has one and last I checked with him his had no problems, also if there not in danger atm than is there a reason that more people don't have this type of system?

Thanks for any help,

[Cobrasnake]

Still haven't heard if everything that's going on with the systems lately if that includes the cardless recievers or not. My cousin has one and I've still not heard from him about having any problems yet so was just curious if there part of what's going on atm or if there ok, and if so anyone have a clue on what the odds might be before they get rid of the cardless receivers as well?

Thanks again for any info,

[Bandit5906]

Probably as safe as you can get and still hack the DN system!

[Bandit5906]

Here you go:

Interesting article reagrding Nagra hack // 2006-05-19
Internal ECM memo and legal action

Now that both of these broadcasters have openly admitted that their Nagravision encryption has been compromised, why aren't they doing anything about it?

The FCC and CRTC should take note: both of these broadcasters are in violation of their responsibilities to secure their signals and compete fairly with other broadcasters for new business. ...the CRTC even threatened to revoke the broadcast license of ExpressVu if piracy was not eliminated.

Neither Echostar or ExpressVu has shown any willingness or due diligence to secure their recently compromised broadcast signals.
Either the CEOs of these organizations are incompetent bungling fools or shrewd men of business... Securing the Nagravision Encrypted signal, at least partially, is trivial and a technical method for doing so will be recommended.

In the interim, competing satellite broadcasters and cable companies should know that the North American market is now being flooded by cheap Chinese exported Free-to-Air (FTA) receivers that can decode both Echostar and ExpressVu signals without any monthly fees. Some of these FTA receivers are selling for as little as $50 and are being sold in electronics outlets throughout North America. A competing broadcaster, who has suffered damages and continues to suffer damages, has estimated that over 500,000 of these units have entered the US market alone since September of 2005. ...from affidavits requested from major [FTA] manufacturers.

The response from Echostar and ExpressVu so far has been silence. Neither broadcaster has attempted any serious electronic counter measures. Both broadcasters have periodically changed their public keys but the majority of FTA models have not been affected. Ergen would not respond to their complaints. Neither would Kudelski.

A team of engineers at our broadcasting facility were asked to study Echostar's security problem and advise us on whether this problem could be countered with software upgrades or whether a complete card swap would be required.

Technical research obtained, written by Mr.X.Y, Lead Electrical Engineer (Communications Group)


Excerpt

Echostar/ExpressVu Piracy Problem - Complaints to FCC and CRTC Respectively

RE: Memo to communications staff - March 12, 2006
RE: FTA Piracy rampant - March 12, 2006
RE: Counter Measure Proposals - March 13, 2006
RE: Nagravision Signal Integrity: Study - March 14, 2006
RE: Complaints to FCC and CRTC - Pending Approval

Report Findings:

1. "101 ROM" cams compromised February 2005. Invasive attack from Spain most likely source for this compromise. Cam-IRD session handshaking protocol intact.
2. IDEA Broadcaster keys for Echostar start to circulate on public forums in August 2005. FTA piracy starts.
3. Public non-invasive attack compromises "102 ROM" cams in October 2005. ExpressVu is now also compromised. Modifications of receiver firmware to counter Cam-IRD session handshaking protocol are widespread. Numerous pirate cams, cards and other electronics to facilitate piracy are being sold.
4. Echostar swapping out "101 ROM" cams by June 2006. No other card swap is planned.

Report Recommendations:

Although the Nagravision Encryption for certain cams is publically compromised, it will be proposed to Echostar and ExpressVu via the FCC and CRTC respectively, that the following counter measures be implemented immediately:

1. Restoration of CAM-IRD handshake protocol and counter measures against firmware modifications. It will be proposed that the CONTROL WORDS be ciphered with the 64 byte Primary RSA key in IRD firmware in a convoluted manner difficult to reverse-engineer from firmware disassemblies. Any modifications to the Primary RSA key will result in incorrect CONTROL WORDS. Without knowledge of the convolution process, FTA and DVB piracy will be eliminated.

2. Increase the length of the RSA exponent used for public key decryption to 512 bits. This will render atmel based piracy devices and older generation ROM cards useless.

3. Traditional electronic counter measures against compromised "102 ROM" cams.

[mili]

Guys there is no surprise here only a lot of denial, imbecile bickering and self important pricks looking for any excuse to take a potshot. This shit has been predicted a week ago and all the response generated was name calling and shit like "look at the source of this info it is bullshit" So. I am telling you now there are very very rough times ahead BUT, we have an angle we are working on so all is not lost.

mili

[Crazy1_79]

I'm watching bev, wide open except for 350-400, they are still gone. porn, 300 channels. all working, so all is not lost yet.

[fubr]

Looks like this new attacks if/when it happens is going to be aimed at FTA,Atmega,rom10 correct?Any more tampering with firmware will just make the box a bigger target. But,I think the 101,102,103 and cardless will still be good for quite awhile. As long as they stay close to what a subbed card looks like. With Penga over at 10x and his new 107 blocker that's more and more likely. He used 107 info in the blocker itself.But as we all say,time will tell.
Why do you think that?
cause you read it there at the site you mention in most of your post.Or becuase he does do good work for all of us? You are correct on that if thats what your trying to say

it all will get hammered eventually. BUT what the fuck do I know

[Baby Jaguar]

I'm watching bev, wide open except for 350-400, they are still gone. porn, 300 channels. all working, so all is not lost yet.

whats your secret?

[Baby Jaguar]

p.s. what going on with rom10x? cant log on?

[Crazy1_79]

rom10x is overloaded. that's all. public hacks are out now. for the 2700 and the 3100 I know. My secret is, I was testing. trying to get it figured out. that's all. We have quite a thread about it in the bell rom 102 programming thread.

[kelowna_pitboy]

who cares about 350-400. i havent seen a good flick in ages and not much is coming down the pipe. give me a&e and hbo only and i could watch dog and king of cars and sopranoes and die happy.

btw, i wish i could help but i just got my mili loader and just learning plastic.

kb