OK this is whats gonna happen

[mili]

This I will do myself no parroting.

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Phase 1
All hacks that do not have a ROM102 or later cards present will be dead and useless. That includes:

ALL FTA
Atmega
Syndrome
ROM10
AVR-X
Cemu

Once this phase is complete we will have these working:


Clones of a valid sub card and reciever


ROM 102 and 103 cards WITHOUT blockers as if there is a blocker present CMD07 does not get processed = no picture, This will stay alive as long as we are able to glitch into the cards that have no blockers. With the current revs we can do it thanks to Penga, in the future they can close all them holes that allow us to get back into the card. Tiers will expire and drop off or they simply remap the tiers and since we can't glitch into the cards to update them we lose picture. If they decide to start hitting too wide PPV strings after we can't get back into the cards we will also lose PPV AND they will ECM the recievers too.


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Phase 2

ROM102 and later card hacks that rely on TSOP modifications will be eliminated, The following will be dead and useless:

Generated DT08 and SK patched TSOP and ROM102 and later systems.

Once this phase is complete we will have these working:


Ex married sub card/receiver pairs which require no TSOP modifications WITHOUT blockers as if there is a blocker present CMD07 does not get processed = no picture, This will stay alive as long as we are able to glitch into the cards that have no blockers. With the current revs we can do it thanks to Penga, in the future they can close all them holes that allow us to get back into the card. Tiers will expire and drop off or they simply remap the tiers and since we can't glitch into the cards to update them we lose picture. If they decide to start hitting too wide PPV strings after we can't get back into the cards we will also lose PPV AND they will ECM the recievers too.


Clones of a valid sub card and reciever


=========================
Phase 3

By this time they have secured their ROM10X cards so that we can't glitch into them.


Clones of a valid sub card and reciever


Clones of a valid sub card and reciever with add-on hardware that opens all the rest of the channels up


==========================

Note that at no point from yesterday on will an FTA reciever work again UNLESS you can connect an interface that has a ROM102 or later in it. Even then it is a major IF and then why bother with an FTA receiver might as well get the real deal.

OK Now what should people do to prepare? If you MUST have TV I suggest you subscribe for either DTV or Dishnet both for which I offer a discounted program.
OR
Get a ROM102 or 103 card NOW as their prices will go up for sure.
Get an unlocker while you are at it and a JTAG programmer and a DishNet reciever that can be JTAG-ed.

There will be a time when having at least a minimum subscription will be a MUST. Adding channels is easier by far using yet to be developed add-on devices but I am certain a sub card will have to be present eventually.

So here we are at the point when you can scurry to other forums and call me an idiot and try to discredit what I had to say. Take note though that I am not saying that buy an AVR-X as it is the only thing that will work so you will have to be slamming me for trying to monger fear and sell unlockers and cards and subscriptions. PLEASE don't buy anything right now. Sit tight and when the shit hits the fan for DishNet (who knows when) panik and run around like headless chicken paying lots more as demand will go through the roof.

mili

[sirdanny]

Looks like Mili will be getting plenty of business in the near future with his discounted sub service.

[mili]

Ahm and don't forget that a looping ECM at ANY point is a possibility if they are relatively confident that they will not hit legit subs. If they do that expect some serious card prices as we know looped ROM cards tend to stay looped.
By the way to preempt those who will attack me saying why do I keep selling AVR-X cards if I know they will be uselelss. My response is this:

I for one don't know when Dish will render them useless. Right now they are only $59 each. That is the cost of a special event. If you get at least ONE special event out of them you are at your money, Dish may not implement this for months (remember large sub base, card specific shit, lotsa time to implement plus there are subbed ROM101s to think about )



Why don't you find yourself another dead horse to beat and ask those FTA delaers to pull their product from the market as they are dead man walking and they cost a lot more than $59?


I am not spreading gospel here, Dish may never implement this ECM. In that case business as usual.


So spare me the grief of pointing out that your suggestion for me to stop selling anything will only prove you are a moron. And since all I can spread is bullshit and monger fear all the above predictions are not going to happen. In that case the AVR-X and all FTA will live forever so why stop selling them?

mili

[Cobrasnake]

Ok I'm new to this so I don't know that much about what a ROM102 is but going by what you said (if I understood you correctly) if my FTA is working at the moment that would mean that it has to have a ROM102 or later in it correct?

[sirdanny]

Mili,

You pointed out that if or more likely when this happens everthing that works will go up. What about your sub prices. Will they stay the same?

[mili]

The sub price does not depend on me. If the people I work with raise their prices I will raise mine too. Right now you pay $30/month for all channels for Dish with me ($130 regular/month). Keep in mind that PPV, Porn and Special events are NOT possible with the sub but all HDTV and Chicago or Dallas network channels are. I am getting emails from scared people already asking what I suggest they buy. I'd like to reiterate. DON'T buy anything just yet. If you MUST spend money and want to prepare as much as possible for now and have FTA or any other hack running where you got no ROM102 or 103 cards I'd say get this:

1, Nexus unlocker
2, JTAG programer
3, A reciever that has a JTAG port or an ex-sub DP811 (HDTV) or DP311 wiht an interface card installed
4, A ROM102 card that is either open or openable and is unmarked
5, Private BLocker sub (not for the 311 or 811)

Now the above will only stay alive for Dish and BEV as long as we are able to glitch into cards that have the latest rev in them.

Ultimately you will need a subscription , even a minimum sub will do and a bootloader like device wich at this point DOES NOT EXIST that will open up additional channels.

THIS IS ALL A SPECULATION ABOVE . Again the sky is not falling for DishNet just yet although it is getting a bit overcast.


On another note, I am not trying to start a war or fuck with FTA dealers nor forums whose main revenue is advertisement from such dealers and sites. I am sorry for being the bearer of bad news but FTA is a dead man walking same way the Atmegas, ROM10s, AVR-X and any non real plastic ROM102 and later systems.

mili

[fubr]

Ok I'm new to this so I don't know that much about what a ROM102 is but going by what you said (if I understood you correctly) if my FTA is working at the moment that would mean that it has to have a ROM102 or later in it correct?
No not yet

[sirdanny]

Are my locals included in the sub price form you. Meaning do i get my true local channels.. the ones form 2-100 or do we have to watch the denver feed? I am a subscriber now, but was thnking of dropping Chuck

[hacker]

if you get mili's subscription there is a spot to put your card number, box number, and your zip code to get your locals where you live.

[mili]

We can ONLY do Chicago or Dallas local channels. I am sorry I don't know why I said Denver before. The good news is if you got a new MPEG reciever you can get them in HDTV too.

WE CAN NOT do leased recievers (you bought cheap off ebay cause the person who sold it did not even own it) or recievers which are currently subscribed nor as someone tried to activate ROM3-ROM101 cards. If in doubt call dish with your reciever and card number, tell them you bought this in a flea market and would like to ask if you can activate it. If they say yes then we can too.

mili

[sirdanny]

Sorry I am confused. hacker said there was spot fo rmy zip so I can get my locals but you say I have to choose between Dallas and Chicago? So can it be a pre-leased reciever with 0 balance?

[hacker]

nevermind sorry i thought i read that you can tell him your zip code for your locals.

[mili]

There is no spot for ZIP there are 3 fields to fill, CAM ID, RID, and DNASP. The receiver must have been paid for and no balance on the recievr nor the card. You can pick Dallas or Chicago.

mili

[hacker]

sorry about that must be going crazy i could of sworn you said somewhere you can get your locals lol

[hacker]

That subscription is still a really good deal milli. Is there any chance of it getting ecmed?

[willham]

well I just wanted to say three thing's about this


1. first of all everything you said about this is going to happen most likely


2. I do remember a hole lot of people saying that the FTA receiver's will be no good after thay switch to the yellow card . but there still around


3. i'm just a nobody here and I don't no anything .so thankyou all for all your help when I needed it . and i'll be here for a bit because I have three rom 102 card's to play with . does anyone want to buy a open rom 10 and a coolsat

[hacker]

mili can your subscription get ecmed??

[sirdanny]

Think I know where the confusion comes into play hacker. If you click on the link to bu it tells you everything that comes with it . Below is the paste from the link. I highlighted what confused you and I.



What is the America’s "Everything" Pak plus sub from me and what's included/involved
The subscription is for one year DishNet's America’s "Everything" Pak plus. On top of that for no additional fees the following will be added to every sub.
All available Dish HDTV channels including CBS and HBO and the rest
All International Channels
Latino channels
VOOM
Fox Sports
Local channels remapped to match your ZIP
PVR functions on ANY PVRYou will have to specify what ZIP code you want the package to be activated in and that will define what time zone and locals you get. All you got to provide me with is:
ZIP --> Your ZIP Code
S00 --> Your Card's or in cardless recevers' case the internal S00 number
R00 --> Your receiver's R00 number from the system diagnostics screen.
What receivers and cards are subscribable?

[mili]

No

mili

[hacker]

ya, that is what i read. I still don't understand why it says that if it isnt true lol

[willham]

I thought it was for six mounth's. is there a way to add mlb to this and pay a little more

[hacker]

ok, thanks mili when the rom 102 hacks are dead i will most likely subscribe to that.

[hacker]

yes, milis subscription is 6 months

[sirdanny]

Mili stated that the cards will be dead and usless when this happens. I have one now and am not looking forward to it. But i also did wonder about future support. I mean since it is programable, can it be eventualy programed to outsmart this ECM? I mean should we pack it away or throw it away?

[mili]

I edited that old post to reflect the locals. Once they pull the trigger I think I made it clear what will work. It is not a questions of money.

mili

[hacker]

mill, thanks for updating that but i was wondering why you can't get ppv and all the other channels to work on it? If we pay you more money can you get it?

[mili]

In case my English is rusty. NO PPV NOR PORN NOR SPECIAL EVENTS NOR MLB.

milil

[Cobrasnake]

No not yet

K thanks fubr, I just got an FTA reciever so I guess to say the least it sounds like I may have got one at the worst time possible...lol

This is the first time I've had anything since the first big hit from Direct TV and than Dish Network, only found out that people where doing the systems again a week or 2 ago.

I didn't even know for sure if the one I was getting was FTA at first but now I'm sure.

So far on mine most everything is working, I think there's a few channels that have been hit but overall I'm very happy with what the system has right now, as long as it stays that way :)

Still got all PPV and porn channels and I believe only 2 channels gone from the movie channels (HBO and Showtime type channles).

[skinerd]

Personally I don't have a feel for what's going to happen, but one thing is for sure, change is comming, best be prepared.

[Texas Trophy]

If you are going to have a shitfit over losing TV, then you need to get a life. Yes, it is a blast trying to hack, but there are a lot more important things to do in life. It's not the end of the world folks.

[kctats13]

Some People Are So Hard Headed.
Can I Get This And Can I Get That-
Mili Doesnt Owe You Shit. This Is An Informative Site. He Doesnt Have Control Over What Dishnet Does. Run Around In A Fu*kin Frenzy!! The Worlds Coming To An End!! No More Free Tv!!!! Help Me Get Free Tv Pleaseeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
If Theres A Way To Beat Chuck We Will. If Theres Not Then Oh Well-
It Just Amazes Me How So Many People Act So Fu*ken Dependent On This Shit Like A Bunch Of Crack Heads Needing A Fix Its Pathetic

[nickk99]

how do I get discounted prices on bev? also is my avr-x card any good my channels are pretty much all gone on my bev 2700.

[mrscig]

Good morning Mili,
Are the Ex-Subbed receivers you sell with Rom 102 cards subscribable by you?

[tinhorse7911]

I have never done plastic & have seen Milis list for whats needed but am wondering if an iso programmer is needed as well. I understand somewhat of the unlocker but wont I need something to write to the card??

[mrscig]

The Unlocker also writes to the card.

[1one]

This is only a suggestion. Only sugest this if you have a relatively good knowledge of coding and can grasp some mapping functions of 1 & 2. Look at 0x60 and 04. Try to find a place to remap so you gain control of your cam. Hint(Remember bin blacklisting from hu days.).
Mili,
I see how some in the community bash you. All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.
I will have nothing futher to say on ECM or Mapping.

[tinhorse7911]

mrscig..Thank You, I was unaware of that. I thought it just unlocked cards

[JT]

***Hijack Alert***:p

Try to stay on topic guys. If you have a question about the original topic, great, ask away. If you have a question about something else, start a new thread in the appropriate forums please.

What we need now is for a hack for Dave to come along.

[tinhorse7911]

This is only a suggestion. Only sugest this if you have a relatively good knowledge of coding and can grasp some mapping functions of 1 & 2. Look at 0x60 and 04. Try to find a place to remap so you gain control of your cam. Hint(Remember bin blacklisting from hu days.).
Mili,
I see how some in the community bash you. All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.
I will have nothing futher to say on ECM or Mapping.
YES, people hate to face the truth or hear about losing their free tv. Newest statement says Mili has been posting bs for many years & has never been right yet, lmfao, some peoples kids.

[tinhorse7911]

JT..are you referring to me? I aint hijacking or meant to. I am gonna buy some things on Milis list & needed to know if an iso programmer was required or should have been on that list. Sorry if I was outta place.

[skinerd]

Why do we hack Chuck?? Cause we can.....and when we can't....we won't......

[Crazy1_79]

Mili's predictions makes sense, however, I beleive that a blocker may be tweaked or created to allow the 07 commands to pass and do what they need to do. Now if they can shut us out of future revisions and we can't glitch into them, the blocker will do no good because we won't be able to get to the newest rev to get tv. damn this sucks.

[1one]

Not trying to stray to far from subject but..... I know for sure sat testing will not die! There will be testing even if there will be no watching tv! I beleive we have a limited way to go with the current testing method. However, we may see a new form of testing in the not to distant future. Let the current method run its course guys. Ride it till the wheels fall off it. The people who made current testing for us want it that way. Just try and keep an open mind for future testing methods. It is possible but on a much more limited scale IMHO. I know of no more than the rest of you guys but I also have my ear to the ground and am open to the future.

[bobcat2001]

Well, I can't say for certain that all of Mili's predictions are true. I am not a big believer in never and impossibilities. I do believe that we will see a new generation of things to come, as I am sure that Dish and Bev will do everything possible to knock out FTA. FTA gives them absolutely nothing except a bad name and a dunce cap.

ROM 10 Autoroll was IMPOSSIBLE as well as countless other things. Atmega could NEVER decrypt N2, yada yada yada.

We all know that these things are indeed now possible.

I believe that some FTA receivers will soon be useless for Bev and Dish. There are some, however that I believe will be here as long as we can read a ROM card. Some of the FTA's have huge processors and massive flash, Sram and Ram. It would seem incognitable that they would not be able to emulate a ROM102 card, for example.

Anyway, one thing is for sure. It will get a lot more challenging. A Rom102 unlooper will also soon be a necessity. ROM102 unlooping is currently being done, but I do not know any details of it.

Later,

Bobcat

[1one]

Rember this. AOFF is but one way into the card. Are thier others ways????? HMM??? Maybe thier is hope for the future afterall !!!

[Crazy1_79]

you know 1one, I am starting to like you, LOL especially the way u drink, umm, I mean think. sorry about that.

[1one]

Take a look at my thread in gen. dish.

[Bandit5906]

***Hijack Alert***:p
Try to stay on topic guys. If you have a question about the original topic, great, ask away. If you have a question about something else, start a new thread in the appropriate forums please.
What we need now is for a hack for Dave to come along.

Right on about the public Dave hack.


Interesting article reagrding Nagra hack // 2006-05-19
Internal ECM memo and legal action

Now that both of these broadcasters have openly admitted that their Nagravision encryption has been compromised, why aren't they doing anything about it?

The FCC and CRTC should take note: both of these broadcasters are in violation of their responsibilities to secure their signals and compete fairly with other broadcasters for new business. ...the CRTC even threatened to revoke the broadcast license of ExpressVu if piracy was not eliminated.

Neither Echostar or ExpressVu has shown any willingness or due diligence to secure their recently compromised broadcast signals.
Either the CEOs of these organizations are incompetent bungling fools or shrewd men of business... Securing the Nagravision Encrypted signal, at least partially, is trivial and a technical method for doing so will be recommended.

In the interim, competing satellite broadcasters and cable companies should know that the North American market is now being flooded by cheap Chinese exported Free-to-Air (FTA) receivers that can decode both Echostar and ExpressVu signals without any monthly fees. Some of these FTA receivers are selling for as little as $50 and are being sold in electronics outlets throughout North America. A competing broadcaster, who has suffered damages and continues to suffer damages, has estimated that over 500,000 of these units have entered the US market alone since September of 2005. ...from affidavits requested from major [FTA] manufacturers.

The response from Echostar and ExpressVu so far has been silence. Neither broadcaster has attempted any serious electronic counter measures. Both broadcasters have periodically changed their public keys but the majority of FTA models have not been affected. Ergen would not respond to their complaints. Neither would Kudelski.

A team of engineers at our broadcasting facility were asked to study Echostar's security problem and advise us on whether this problem could be countered with software upgrades or whether a complete card swap would be required.

Technical research obtained, written by Mr.X.Y, Lead Electrical Engineer (Communications Group)


Excerpt

Echostar/ExpressVu Piracy Problem - Complaints to FCC and CRTC Respectively

RE: Memo to communications staff - March 12, 2006
RE: FTA Piracy rampant - March 12, 2006
RE: Counter Measure Proposals - March 13, 2006
RE: Nagravision Signal Integrity: Study - March 14, 2006
RE: Complaints to FCC and CRTC - Pending Approval

Report Findings:

1. "101 ROM" cams compromised February 2005. Invasive attack from Spain most likely source for this compromise. Cam-IRD session handshaking protocol intact.
2. IDEA Broadcaster keys for Echostar start to circulate on public forums in August 2005. FTA piracy starts.
3. Public non-invasive attack compromises "102 ROM" cams in October 2005. ExpressVu is now also compromised. Modifications of receiver firmware to counter Cam-IRD session handshaking protocol are widespread. Numerous pirate cams, cards and other electronics to facilitate piracy are being sold.
4. Echostar swapping out "101 ROM" cams by June 2006. No other card swap is planned.

Report Recommendations:

Although the Nagravision Encryption for certain cams is publically compromised, it will be proposed to Echostar and ExpressVu via the FCC and CRTC respectively, that the following counter measures be implemented immediately:

1. Restoration of CAM-IRD handshake protocol and counter measures against firmware modifications. It will be proposed that the CONTROL WORDS be ciphered with the 64 byte Primary RSA key in IRD firmware in a convoluted manner difficult to reverse-engineer from firmware disassemblies. Any modifications to the Primary RSA key will result in incorrect CONTROL WORDS. Without knowledge of the convolution process, FTA and DVB piracy will be eliminated.

2. Increase the length of the RSA exponent used for public key decryption to 512 bits. This will render atmel based piracy devices and older generation ROM cards useless.

3. Traditional electronic counter measures against compromised "102 ROM" cams.

[ruciz]

Interesting statement but definatly what will happen no doubt. A sub is inevitable if you want to keep running, I think everyone knew that. It was nice of them to let us run this long but of course $50 FTA units were not going to give you free TV forever.

I guess we are back to those clone cards that you had back with N2 was new eh? I don't remember the name of them - just that they were red and added tiers to your plastic and filtered out ECM's I do believe.

[seaboard18]

Rember this. AOFF is but one way into the card. Are thier others ways????? HMM??? Maybe thier is hope for the future afterall !!!

Hi 1one,
Mili's forum is designed to accommodate people that want to watch TV for free, which have minimal ability and knowledge that it takes to actually test complex solutions and devices. Mili attempts to provide solutions with support discussions that center around his sales department. Sales and service is the main goal. Easy methods and well written How To's using common language is the aim. Mili's forum has all of these attributes. Mili's success in business over the past few years proves the ability to provide free TV'ers with what they need, sales and service.

The technical discussion areas are provided for advanced testers and coders but get little attention most of the time. Nevertheless, over the years there has been some brilliant discussions and solutions that were conjured up here that made a difference to those who actually test and solutions that made it possible for Free TV'ers to watch TV. Real testers don't watch much TV! Those with the ability to test either test for fun or test for monetary gain.

Its difficult for technical savvy individuals to keep it simple in a general discussion that deals with easy solutions to help Free TV'ers. Likewise, its difficult for testers to deal with questions from Free TV'ers that do not understand technical discussions. The two do not mix well. None the less, the forum needs both type discussions to be a great interactive experience for everyone. Remember, free TV'ers may not have the ability to come up to your level, you have to come down to there level to help them understand when you are discussing technical jargon such as commands in a general thread.

[1one]

Seaboard,
I do not feel my methods are superior to anyone here or at other sites. I am but one fellow tester who believes cams are more important than t.v. I am however interested in what every tester wants some answers to. I have a thread started and would like to hear from all testers of all skill levels. I do not wish to hijack mili's thread.

[mili]

All is welcome here guys. My aim is always to let people with minimal technical background watch TV. I try to write those how tos so that even an idiot like me would understand them. I will have to start on a new set now to help people do their ROM102. Sites sell banner ads and ask for donations to support themselves. I sell no banner ads nor beg. I have to sell stuff to support this site and the VIP file access in an organized format is a way to donate to support this site. I have to make sales but never sold something I did not believe in.

mili

[RockyM]

Mili - I thought the AVR-X is already using a ROM 102 cam? If that's the case, wouldn't we be covered on that part?

[brjak]

i remember a time last year, when everyone said fta will not work, its speed can not keep up to the encryption speed of DN and b3v..Well it was the first thing i watched n2 on...it has been up for 8 months straight..so we will c but i have to believe that fta will be around for awhile

[org]

If you are going to have a shitfit over losing TV, then you need to get a life. Yes, it is a blast trying to hack, but there are a lot more important things to do in life. It's not the end of the world folks.Right,I'm a MODEL RAILROADER and I've been at it for 30 years and several layouts,BUT I AM NOT OBSESSED.I JUST LOVE TRAINS.GREW UP ALONG SIDE THE NYC hudson river line.I don't need no stinkin TV.Wait a minate PBS is showing a special on steam locos tonight.Suminabitchen chuckie.:D

[Crazy1_79]

man mili, I maybe able to help with that 102 how to guide
let me know if I can be of assistance, I always considered my strong point to be glitching and programming plastic.

[scary harry]

If I have a couple 102 cards that have not been subscibed to, will they work or will I have to activate them with a subscription before they can be used?

[fubr]

If I have a couple 102 cards that have not been subscibed to, will they work or will I have to activate them with a subscription before they can be used?

Ask in a new thread you will get more answers than in this one.

We really need to keep this one on topic, we have been hijacking Mili's announcements way to much. That makes people scared to answer you here.

To tie it in with this thread though is easy, No you dont have to sub,
YET, if ever, you do have to glitch the card and write a clean image to it.
Maybe that tidbit of info will help you find the answer.

[sirdanny]

Guys, from all that has been said it seems that this is going to be pretty effective in countering "testing". The question I have is that if they had all this available, why are they waiting to this late in the game to implement it. I mean just a short while ago there were many, and I mean many ways to "test" or just have free TV as some want. It would seem as soon as one wau become mainstream they would handle that one, and then another pops up. They seem to have waited till there were many things working and are trying to shut everything down at once. Also, some say this is bleak, but not absolute yet, a sin there my be some ways around it like having a basic sub, and yet to be made mods. But how is this different from what DiR**T T* did a few years ago with the P4. No one has hacked into that since. So is Di*h that far behind?

[mili]

Crazy you can see the existing How To for older receivers on www.bellexpress.vu/rom.html
Do one for the new ones and maybe one about generating DT08 and SK with screen shots. I will tidy it up and insert into the template. THanks in advance. I got no time to do it.

mili

[BirdieMod]

Costs VS Benefits comes to mind on both sides here. It costs Echostar a pile of cash to counter hacking. It costs hackers money to upgrade to new ways to crack it. The good old days of years on one crack I do agree are gone. Each has to decide how much it is worth to them. I know from my tinkering it overall would be cheaper just to sub but not as fun either.

[Total_War]

Why is the Syndrome dead exactly????
Just because it dont have a blocker on it, it cant Process Cmd07??
Why cant it process it??? Its not hard to change firmware or let alone program a bin to it that would work.
The syndome can already be programmed with Rom103's, SO i have no idea why your saying its done testing.
It emulates a Rom102 just as good as the real card, if not better than a Real One.
Big deal if it changes a Key or 2 in the TSOP, it will be running for a while yet. No need to turn into a ICE Scraper yet.
Where you get your facts from are beyond me man
Sounds like BS to me.
TV will be working for a while yet man, so dont need to scare the shit out of these peps that are here just
for FreeTV.
FTA's days are numbered, thats for sure

[burnt_servo]

Why is the Syndrome dead exactly????
Just because it dont have a blocker on it, it cant Process Cmd07??
Why cant it process it??? Its not hard to change firmware or let alone program a bin to it that would work.
The syndome can already be programmed with Rom103's, SO i have no idea why your saying its done testing.
It emulates a Rom102 just as good as the real card, if not better than a Real One.
Big deal if it changes a Key or 2 in the TSOP, it will be running for a while yet. No need to turn into a ICE Scraper yet.
Where you get your facts from are beyond me man
Sounds like BS to me.
TV will be working for a while yet man, so dont need to scare the shit out of these peps that are here just
for FreeTV.
FTA's days are numbered, thats for sure

i was under the impression that the guy who developed the syndome card was in jail .....

[mili]

These are Emulator hacks:
FTA, Atmega, ROM10-102, AVR-X, Syndrome. It means they mimic a real ROM102 and above card. They are mot identical to those cards and the difference is what is being exploited in the ECM. The developer of the SYndrome is that Montreal dude who was also cloning Magic cards back in the days and with his front DishMonkey busted and still under investigation they are hiding at best most likley also busted. No not in jail as it is all civil lawsuits not criminal. TotalWar there is nothing wrong with optimism.

mili

[Crazy1_79]

give me a few days miili, I'll go about it as I can. one thing I've never figured out with microsoft word is how to screen shots. if someone can give me a heads up on that. I glitch almost any card out there but screenshots stump me. damn I'm dumb!!

[Total_War]

That is right mili, there is nothing wrong with Optimism.There is more than one special person who can program a cardWith the way the Syndrome is going with Rom103 support already, I just dont think it should be counted out of the game. It works just as good a Rom102, just uses Firmware to emulate it, does a good job to.But like you say, we shall see what the future holds for us within the next couple weeks. Let the games begin!

[fubr]

off topic post have been removed.
Crazy I think you got answers to your questions let me know If I deleted before you read them.

Thanks to those helping crazy1_79 just keeping this one clean as possible

[Crazy1_79]

I didn't see any response to the screen shots fubr. other than that, all good to go. I figured it out on my own anyway.

[cocacolablue]

ok, so i assume since FTAs are probably toast, still kinda hoping they arent as i JUST bought one, i should probably stop kidding myself tho, anyways, since they are down most likely DVB cards are no longer an option am i right?

[fubr]

I would think that they may last longer because of the source they got, I am not sure, the DVB persons have been scarce as of late.
Two in particular I would like to see post. I see them being more active in the next few weeks maybe they can enlighten us.

[Bandit5906]

We would hope so! They control the market!

[chep]

I didn't see any response to the screen shots fubr. other than that, all good to go. I figured it out on my own anyway.


I guess there are sev ways to do a screen shot BUT...

The way I do it is ....
1. when you have the screen up you want just press the Print Scrn button on the keyboard.

2. open Paint

3.click EDIT and Paste

4.save the screen shot as whatever you want to call it.

5. I always go back and cut and paste just the pic itself from the saved screenshot and paste it into a new paint image and resave it as it gets rid of all the rest of the screen that you do not want to keep.


chep

[cablecowboy]

Personally I think it is way to early to make these predictions. Everytime a hit comes a fix seems to follow. there is way to much money in FTA so i dont think the makers and programmers will just give up. Also all kinds of predictions come as well (most of the time they are proven to be false statements). Its only been a couple of days since bell went down and penga fixed it. Just sit back for a week or two and see what gets fixed and what doesn't.

[wannna_be]

I guess there are sev ways to do a screen shot BUT...

The way I do it is ....
1. when you have the screen up you want just press the Print Scrn button on the keyboard.

2. open Paint

3.click EDIT and Paste

4.save the screen shot as whatever you want to call it.

5. I always go back and cut and paste just the pic itself from the saved screenshot and paste it into a new paint image and resave it as it gets rid of all the rest of the screen that you do not want to keep.


chep
to copy the active window on the screen. Press and hold the Atl button and then press Prt Scr button

to copy the whole screen. Press and hold the Ctrl button and then press Prt Scr button.

you can then either paste right into your word doc or paste into Paint.

as another little tidbit. to copy anything highlighted, press and hold Ctrl button and then press the C button. to paste whatever is current in your memory press and hold Ctrl button and then press the V button. This is usefull when the copy and paste options are not available at times.

[Crazy1_79]

thank you guys, I now know how to do it. you can all stop hijacking the thread now. These guys will get pissed at me if I keep having you guys do it for me!! LOL

[orra]

back on topic..."What's gonna happen"....the channles will come back...actually most are back right now...missing ppv, porn and tsn....using R102 v22 pubic fix and I hear fta is good to go too...

[neolan]

I think they had a bigger plan in store for us and put the channel out there for their legals subs to call if it caused issues, and call in the must have because they had to backtrack. I have read elsewhere about lots of legal sub boxes that were missing channels and now those are coming back, so their big plan seems to have blown up in their face. Will they do something like this again, most likely. They will have to go back to the drawing board first though.

[orra]

if their plan has gone awry then...ha ha ha...this may take a little time

[Bandit5906]

We are fortunate in that Dish seems to have problems of this sort. Not Dave to be sure!

[orra]

...that would be bev...and the peep's running dave won't have any problems...i wish i was one

[Bandit5906]

Me too, but they won't share (right now anyway)!