BEV went 768 as predicted, bye bye FTA

[mili]

1. Bell has started to use a 768 bit RSA encrypted SHA-1 signature for CMD 07.
2. Decryption times for devices like atmega128 and atmega162 are 5-6 seconds with highly optimized code. Insufficient to keep up with the new datastream.
3. No way in hell FTA will be able to handle the latest encryption in 2-3 seconds. You got to rememeber, the FTA CPU has to also present you with an onscreen guide, video, remote functions and on top of that do some computationally intesive math every couple of seconds. The result will be that no FTA will be able to deliver uninterrupted video.

I predicted this a few months ago and was called an idiot (which I don't dispute to be).
Read this: http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56924&highlight=768


mili

[willham]

we will see

[Nigel]

we will see
I agree willham, have heard it all before and still running strong. If the FTA's I have now can't do it there will be some in the very near future that will. That's the force of the open market.

[seaboard18]

Hi Mili,
If that is all the provider has to offer in killing FTA, its only a temporary kill for him. Basically, the manufactures of FTA may decide to call it quits due to all the legal issues involved. CPU issues can be resolved in most cases even with the old FTA units. Just a new market could be on the horizon. You were correct in your previous post and you are correct now, FTA is done at this time.

[scabby]

never say never as we should all have learned by past claims

rom10-102 never ya right ohh yes but no autoroll well it did!
fta N2 no way it did as well with old N1 boxes
N2 at all! i read about 300 pages on why it will never happen well were here now right milli you are talking about a HUGE BUSSINESS i mean these are manufactures of 100,s of thousands of units theyll find a way these arent just public coders and basement circuit builders i mean if anyone has backing to find a solution its the fta market...but yes as of now no real fixes just bs patches

[alsouthster]

Time for another Cookie Monster parable Mili!

Seriously, that was damn good reading back in the waning days of Nagra 1

updated version could be something like...

Cookie Monster has broken into where the cookies are kept, but the cookies are moving on a real fast conveyor belt into a cookie jar that CM can't quite get to ...and also the lid on the jar keeps shutting real fast whenever CM tries to reach in.
CM keeps trying to grab the cookies either in the jar or on the conveyor belt but comes up empty handed everytime and starves to death...
...???;)

[fubr]

stay on topic please guys.

If you posted in this thread and cant read your post I am talking to you.

[Gordc]

well if that's the case why is my fta still running bev and dish wide open. I am using a viewsat xtreme and all is good here.

[alsouthster]

Personally I dunno what the case may be, I just like parables involving the Cookie Monster
but Advanced Coders, pls feel free to help the metaphor out lol
kind of like Einstein riding that beam of light

[fubr]

ok guys I am going to start handing out vacations for one day.
The topic is not will the avr-x work or how do I get rid of my black screen.

you think your being cute but instead you will be gone.

go to avr-x or one of the many threads with same shit in it please to post this stuff.
we will help you there

[neolan]

FTA wont keep up ok.... lets I would agree that many main stream FTA runing 80 MHz cpu's might have problems but mili mny of the FTA recivers like viewsat have a 160 mhz cpu Neusat have an NEC 200Mhz cpu do think also those FTAs wont keeep with 768 RSA???!! :eek:

[mili]

Well it is easy to test. Do you see BEV PPV at this minute with it?

mili

[xenon]

this thread made for an interesting read. only reason i registered here is to reply to this thread.
lets start by saying that FTA irds are going to loose one day to the provider.
moving on then .. the reason we dont have BEV right now is that the CMD07 CWs are not known. as has been posted on other sites , some map calls that are being used to encrypt the CWs havent been totally figured out yet - that just means more time. 768 bit RSA can be easily implemented on even a 80 Mhz machine ( pansat etc ) while the VS is easily ahead of the game. In fact FTA boxes probably carry a faster ALU than provider boxes! .
VS has made it clear that some sort of rom102 or rom102 EMU help might be needed either 1) having plastic in FTA slot or 2) having ROM bin dumped into FTA bin , all resulting in defeating CAM-IRD handshake protocol.
either way its all a matter of time. FTA is here to stay - follow the money mili!

[chemlab]

this thread made for an interesting read. only reason i registered here is to reply to this thread.
lets start by saying that FTA irds are going to loose one day to the provider.
moving on then .. the reason we dont have BEV right now is that the CMD07 CWs are not known. as has been posted on other sites , some map calls that are being used to encrypt the CWs havent been totally figured out yet - that just means more time. 768 bit RSA can be easily implemented on even a 80 Mhz machine ( pansat etc ) while the VS is easily ahead of the game. In fact FTA boxes probably carry a faster ALU than provider boxes! .
VS has made it clear that some sort of rom102 or rom102 EMU help might be needed either 1) having plastic in FTA slot or 2) having ROM bin dumped into FTA bin , all resulting in defeating CAM-IRD handshake protocol.
either way its all a matter of time. FTA is here to stay - follow the money mili!

The provider receivers don't use their ALU for these calculations. That's done on the CAM. A purpose made IC like the provider cams can do these calculations MUCH faster than any all purpose ALU. I'm not saying fta wont be able to do it, I'm just saying don't underestimate just how much the provider's hardware can handle.

[willham]

sounds good to me

[kikid]

Mili just wondering i have a fta reciever unless you don't count the dreambox as such a unit and watching bev wide open and dishnet just wondering why am i still able to watch bev when the rest of the fta's don't have the ppv's or porn but i do with my dreambox fta stb???

[starjetta]

Mine is still running strong viewsat 2000, what the hell is he talking about.
the 301's are down screw the damn card bull shit.

[Cobrasnake]

I'm a little confused about this as well I have a viewsat 2000 platinum and mine is working great atm as well and haven't noticed any problems yet.

All though I don't know that much about BEV since I don't think I had it anyway cause I haven't entered any new keys for BEV but did for Dish and at this moment all channels still seem to be working good for me.

[mili]

I may be full of shit as I don't personally test FTA I just relayed this info. Please post if you got all BEV up with all PPV and Porn and be specific what IRD you got.

mili

[Gordc]

I have a viewsat xtreme and I have all bell and dish wide open including ppv and porn. and it autorolls I tested and had the keys with in 30 sec tried it 4 times

[Satan]

Mine is still running strong viewsat 2000, what the hell is he talking about.
the 301's are down screw the damn card bull shit.

Where you live'n..?..The 301 with public blocker rolled through this....with a rom 10 ,,,LoL..??? had to do a key change ..and apply a non-bypass E0 autoroll bin....took 5 min's..?

[Gordc]

I live in toronto

[Cobrasnake]

I may be full of shit as I don't personally test FTA I just relayed this info. Please post if you got all BEV up with all PPV and Porn and be specific what IRD you got.

mili

Well I know you probably wasn't referring to me but just for the record I most defiantly wasn't saying you was full of shit :)

As I said I don't really know about BEV but I was just saying that if all FTA suppose to be dead atm than mine hasn't had any problems today, but as far as BEV I'm not sure. I assume that may have been what you meant though, that BEV suppose to be dead with FTA and that if Dish does the same thing that BEV did than Dish would be gone as well?

Thanks,

[Gordc]

I am saying I am running a fta viewsat xtreme and have all bell and dish wide open including ppv and porn.. watching ppv right now on bell

[Chris19]

BEV 3100 .. PPV & Porn and everything all up as of right now.

[Crazy1_79]

I am not home, I assume they are trying to kill fta and rom 10, is the bev blocker with the E0 autroll I posted still working? just want to verify, I assume it is, otherwise I would see a bunch of posts saying it isn't

[xenon]

bev isnt using E0 emm for decrypt key right now , its the standard 42 for now and its all good. E0 emm passing is not suggested even for dish where its necessary for auto

atmega/rom10/rom11/ would never do N2 - look now.
fortec type stbs would never do N2 - look now.
rom10 would never au - look now.

nothing is as it seems - a FTA with a partial 102 EMU can and will do wonders IMO.

[OkeeDokee]

I am not home, I assume they are trying to kill fta and rom 10, is the bev blocker with the E0 autroll I posted still working? just want to verify, I assume it is, otherwise I would see a bunch of posts saying it isn't..

Working great on my 510 crazy.... 24 Hours now... not even a fart!!!!

Oh and V/Sat Plat purring also Bev n Dik..

[laila]

Crazy The Blocker Is Working Fine ,

[Satan]

6-- 3100's ...4 on rom 10 ..2 on 102 PPV & porn ...B*V wide open,

[COMODO]

C&P



Viewsat may be first to whip ECM..

From an earlier posted report:

Report Recommendations:

Although the Nagravision Encryption for certain cams is publically compromised, it will be proposed to Echostar and ExpressVu via the FCC and CRTC respectively, that the following counter measures be implemented immediately:

1. Restoration of CAM-IRD handshake protocol and counter measures against firmware modifications. It will be proposed that the CONTROL WORDS be ciphered with the 64 byte Primary RSA key in IRD firmware in a convoluted manner difficult to reverse-engineer from firmware disassemblies. Any modifications to the Primary RSA key will result in incorrect CONTROL WORDS. Without knowledge of the convolution process, FTA and DVB piracy will be eliminated.

2. Increase the length of the RSA exponent used for public key decryption to 512 bits. This will render atmel based piracy devices and older generation ROM cards useless.

3. Traditional electronic counter measures against compromised "102 ROM"
cams.

#1 is our worst fear and I believe this is what has happened. The restoration of the handshake protocol will be a tough one to defeat. Viewsat has a jump on this however due to long ago, before N2 was actually hacked, Viewsat had a work around by using a N2 card in their box. (remember the video's I circulated). The handshake protocol can be nulified by using part of the ROM dump of a current revision card. This dump was posted today at a different forum of Rev 2.44. The lead engineer for Viewsat is now in possession of this dump and will study it and the current stream activity. Today is Mr Viewsat's 30th birthday, and I listened to a 3 way phone conversation where he asked for a nice B-day present from his #1 coder. It will please you all to know that he is fairly confident that he will have a solution within a few days. Viewsats past experience of using an actual N2 card in conjunction with their unit has given them an edge in understanding the ECM and how to defeat it. In all likelyhood, part of the cards ROM section will have to be added in to the bin. The added work load shouldn't be much of a problem for the Viewsat, but I think we may see the end of slower, less powerful units for decrypting this new encryption.. Only time will tell, but I heard the confidence in his voice and his remarks, that he should have this sorted out soon.. This feat alone should propel Viewsat to #1 if indeed they can pull it off...
Cross your fingers kiddos, there's alot at stake this time...

[nomar]

I wonder if old 1st gen receivers, like the 1000, 2000 & 3000 will work when Dish implements 768 bit? There must be a million subs with those receivers. If they don't, will Dish swap them out at their expense?

[Nigel]

I wonder if old 1st gen receivers, like the 1000, 2000 & 3000 will work when Dish implements 768 bit? There must be a million subs with those receivers. If they don't, will Dish swap them out at their expense?
That's what I'm thinking, if those old slugs can keep up there should be no problem running a more modern FTA with a properly written .bin.

[lp333]

... I am running a fta viewsat xtreme and have all bell and dish wide open including ppv and porn.. watching ppv right now on bell

I don't think so... have you been smoking?

[chemlab]

I wonder if old 1st gen receivers, like the 1000, 2000 & 3000 will work when Dish implements 768 bit? There must be a million subs with those receivers. If they don't, will Dish swap them out at their expense?

The math is done in the card, I don't think it will be an issue.

[Bandit5906]

Time will tell, but for now all is good with DN on dreambox!

[lp333]

Well it is easy to test. Do you see BEV PPV at this minute with it?
mili

YES!

Linux based FTA's like the Triple Dragon are testing all BEV PPVs and Venus right now with the help of plastic inserted in their card slots

[genehackman]

Bev - All open except PPV and some others down as the man said.
DN - open

[wambam]

very,well put running viewsat wide open have been for six moths never a problem read,read,read

[tinhorse7911]

very,well put running viewsat wide open have been for six moths never a problem read,read,read
read what? Are you running B*V wide open??

[lp333]

YES!
Linux based FTA's like the Triple Dragon are testing all BEV PPVs and Venus right now with the help of plastic inserted in their card slots
This is not a joke. Go to the following link to see a demonstration video by Zuzel:

[tobyguy]

1. Bell has started to use a 768 bit RSA encrypted SHA-1 signature for CMD 07.
2. Decryption times for devices like atmega128 and atmega162 are 5-6 seconds with highly optimized code. Insufficient to keep up with the new datastream.
3. No way in hell FTA will be able to handle the latest encryption in 2-3 seconds. You got to rememeber, the FTA CPU has to also present you with an onscreen guide, video, remote functions and on top of that do some computationally intesive math every couple of seconds. The result will be that no FTA will be able to deliver uninterrupted video.

I predicted this a few months ago and was called an idiot (which I don't dispute to be).
Read this: http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56924&highlight=768


mili

If I had a dollar for every time you said the FTA's were toast, I'd be RICH!!

I don't have to tell you which testing methods haven't stood the test of time do I? Don't think so!

Tobyguy

[fubr]

This is not a joke. Go to the following link to see a demonstration video by Zuzel:
we have seen videos before dont post links to them here
a video proves nothing

[fubr]

If I had a dollar for every time you said the FTA's were toast, I'd be RICH!!

I don't have to tell you which testing methods haven't stood the test of time do I? Don't think so!

Tobyguy
I would have maybe 3 or 4 bucks.
not even a pack of smokes

[Crazy1_79]

Man, the way people exaggerate, If I think really hard I might to be able to come up with 4 times, so I guess I would have a pack of squares.

[tobyguy]

I would have maybe 3 or 4 bucks.
not even a pack of smokes

Yeah, sure budy.... You keep believing that....

Tobyguy

[fubr]

byguy your really not helping any, if you got a rant go post it.
otherwise stay out of the big boy threads ok.

[tobyguy]

byguy your really not helping any, if you got a rant go post it.
otherwise stay out of the big boy threads ok.

Rant? Are you for real?

What's not helpful is making claims and then stating a few posts later that maybe what you've just stated earlier isn't true anyhow - that you don't know much about FTA's anyhow. Now that's not helpful.

I think every user who reads this should know that this claim has been made countless times in the past and has been proven dead wrong each and every time. The fact that I'm letting others know that - that's hardly a rant.

The "rant" is being done by the folks out there that keep making claims that are false and dead wrong! Correcting them isn't a rant, bringing it up all the time with nothing to back it up is a rant.

Tobyguy

[Bandit5906]

Guy:

I'm amazed that you can still type with your head stuck up there!

[lp333]

we have seen videos before dont post links to them here
a video proves nothing



fubr, the rationale you employed to edit my earlier post was that it was BS.

"Last edited by fubr : 11 Hours Ago at 09:38 PM. Reason: no links to BS"

Did you even consider checking the validity of my claim before taking your uninformed decision? If so, you would have saved yourself from further embarrassmant. Your ignorance of current events does Mili's fine site, and its great membership, a profound disservice.

[joesnuffy]

Been a while since I posted. Unfortunately everything will eventually die. Magic Cards,Football Cards,Atmegas,Rom10s,Rom 3s, Rom 11s, rom 101s, rom 102s, rom 10s etc. They all die everyone knows that. All Milli is saying is to be prepared for it.
The one thing I do like about the FTAs is that even when they die they don't actually die hard they still will be able to get the Free to Air Channels which is most of the major networks not a bad deal to have for say 20 years for a nominal charge for the equipment.

My 2 cents on this,
Joe

[fubr]

lp333
I did not rationalize anything to edit your post.
No links to videos. thats the rule.
I added the bs part to piss you off only.
We have had stinks here before over some dumb ass video and it is not happerning again.
If you want to post in the rants go ahead just dont make a live link.


you fucking free tv'ers are a touchy bunch.
I bet ya'll really freak out when the remote needs new batteries.

[fubr]

ANybody sub or otherwise just go down on bev?

Anybody get back up with new keys or is there more to it?

[orra]

rom102 v22 public fix-->005

i also hear v28c is the same.....

apparently a key change?????

[fubr]

anybody get back up be sure to check ppv and porn channels see if they are up

[wambam]

tobyguy just telling every-body what he thinks cant knock a man for that!!!!!!! we need to pull togather and woop this thang

[alsouthster]

lp333
you fucking free tv'ers are a touchy bunch.
I bet ya'll really freak out when the remote needs new batteries.

Yeah fucking remotes!
Spilt beer on mine a while ago, new batteries wouldn't fix it.
Panicked....went to radio shlock to buy new one. Had to use fake ID to get it (they said Bev was keeping track). Charged me $60
Two days later, old remote started to work again...wasn't drowned, just need to dry out
free tving ain't easy lol

[fubr]

tobyguy just telling every-body what he thinks cant knock a man for that!!!!!!! we need to pull togather and woop this thang
you and him/her both need to learn to post in the correct forum.
Have no problem with anybody having an opinion but DAMN how hard is it not to train wreck a thread with bullshit.

[Bandit5906]

fubar;

Look at the source! Is this not their/his SOS?

[JT]

Since tobyguy is so set on letting everyone know what's going on, think I'll continue the trend. We've had problems with him in the past, and we won't hesitate to take action if the need arises again. Keep it cool.

You guys trying to make the assertion any mod here doesn't know what's going on are completely off base. Every mod here has forgotten more about this hobby than most guys will ever know. Even if we don't all test in every way possible, we spend more time on here keeping up on current events than anyone else, so even when we guess it's likely to be a better answer than you'll get from a lot of the newer members.

Ok, now with that said, this thread is in the current events section and it's wandering a bit. We're trying to make an effort to keep the threads in the current events threads clean and conscise so folks don't have to wade through too much BS to find out what's going on. If you guys could make an effort to help us out on that level we wouldn't have to do it for you. Stay on topic and don't post in latest news and events unless it's to supplement the original post in some way.

Thanks guys.

[fubr]

tobyguy you were asked(told in a nice way) to keep it cool
You may now join the readers only for a few days. next time you can find another user name.

KEEP BULLSHIT OUT OF THIS THREAD OR ANY announcements.

[Sulten]

what is the bottom line what is needed to keep going and watch what we love?

[Bandit5906]

AVR-X, Plastic, FTA's, Armulator all working (some without autoroll), but I am not sure about the AtMega's or the DVB's! Check them out.

[Beavervillain]

DVB is working. no autoroll ppv or porn on bev though.

[tinhorse7911]

Atmega running all channels except ppv & porn. I read where b*v hit many of their subs yesterday so they havent got things down quite right yet.

[123vino]

From what I have read elsewhere Mili is more honest than most venders out there. So he may be saying something he genuinely think is right. But if you realize that you can plug an interface card into the Jtag port on any FTA board and let the card handle the calculation from its own processing power you get something like an avr-x and you don't have to Toss away your FTA ! And who will be selling card like that ? My dearest friend Mili . None of my has had any complain about his honesty. So don't loose hope Mili the money is just around the corner.

[Nigel]

DVB card in soft mode should have no trouble with the handshake protocol. I have a feeling DVB and FTA software is fixed already but they're waiting until Charlie does his follow-up act before releasing it.

[mr. ringo]

i thought just my wife had pms but i was wrong, i see the new moderators got it worst. jack get well and get back and staighten them out. scares me and i am fearless.

[Bandit5906]

But are you having fun now?

[Diliiep]

i think charlie has started game for worlcup . some channels on 61.5/148/121 are showing wait for picture . .. rest working fine.ethnic CH are not working no more
any one can help???

[dssdork]

Okay, hardly matters at this point in time, here is a handle on the DN scandal.
In addition, many channels we have counted have went to black, at least 30 plus.

It Looks like Charlie is following Bev:
This from Ch.719 ERT on Sat148

======================
nagra2_ecm
CryptLen=$40
ecmParm=$0A
ecmLen=$47 (Hex) = 71 (Dec.)
ecmLastByte in encrypted data=$40 (Hex) = 64 (Dec.)
dt08Len=$40
Nagra2 ECM Command=$07
Size of following Data=$45 = 69 (Dec.)
Provider_Id=0101
key_in_use=96 or N 0101 01 xxx... in softcam.key file
op_key=XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Keyselect byte=$96
Algo selection nano=$0088
Encrypted Data=FF43D763FC482AA69E3201964A5A635D0400010F02CCC 24F09F26927F1B6837B1A3BE7AA124
F4059D7219C2FF6D979C5A8605A22584C8816B2C168AE7CBEA 13F
RSA_Round2=decrypted data=77D7BE0DE8702B1B01011491A59F10F7300B00A88000F F001491A1B90C100940D31EB56EA56
92D7E110940DCE66590263D3543007BC6D5F56DB88EC399A24 CA8
Correct Idea Hash!
Provider_Id=0101
date + time=$1491A59F = 01/06/06 11:33:18 PM
DCW2->Post processing on DCWs is in use. exit!
DCW1->Post processing on DCWs is in use. exit!
DCW2=
DCW1=

what does this mean,

da end, da end is near

right here !

[Bandit5906]

So far all of the DN channels on 110, 119, & 121 appear to work, but I suspect the clock is ticking!

[tinhorse7911]

seems like fta's still alive & atmegas are running wide open (dealer only), so tis not the end after all!!!

[Big-Birdd]

Well plastic and other assorted items had sales go up so mission accomplished.

[Bandit5906]

seems like fta's still alive & atmegas are running wide open (dealer only), so tis not the end after all!!!

Some FTA's are up (newer ones) but I don't hear any of the AtMega's are.

Please post some more information!

[tinhorse7911]

check out the atmega discussions over at rom10x

[tobyguy]

1 more to add to the list.

Looks like some FTA's are back up, and I'm sure more are to follow...

I'm sure some old one's can't handle the new load too (and will only be good for paper weights).

Funny place.

I get silenced (banned) for a few days when I try to tell all not to trust the Magician, and what does he do, screws you all who were dumb enough to buy one of his cards. Where's the AVR-X now? All the broken proimses and scams. But I was right all along....

Then I mention that it isn't the first time I've heard mili claim FTA's were to die, and what do you know? They're coming back up again. It's ok to make statements like that even though they're wrong once, twice, 3 times, and many more.

And I'm right again and was banned/silenced for a few days.

And all I'm doing is stating the obvious and questioning non-supported claims.

If the mod's feel it necessary, to silence me forever, no problem, go ahead (I don't plan on coming back anyways).

As can be seen in the very low levels of traffic at this site, all that's left are the ones that agree with all the bullsh*t being fed to them - despite being wrong, time after time.

And nothing, absolutely nothing, will convince them otherwise.

So please, go ahead and do what you must.

Signing off.....

Tobyguy

[Bandit5906]

Don't cum back! You are an asshole and don't deserve to be here or any forum. Perhaps you should get help, IMHO?

[Little Kenobe]

You guys should have known better ..dont say anything till you know for sure
as of today FTA can handle the 768 bit but as for tomorrow who knows

[fubr]

ok see ya.
Your to stupid to even know why I put you in the readers club for a few days (not banned) As I see it. the problem will take care of itself....... AND hell I even went and let you out of the dog house two days early and you are just now realizing you can post.
OK look here man I am a bipolar mutha fucker and have good days and bad days. You have tried me on good days and now even bad days, You have nothing to contribute here You only come here to copy and paste stuff.
Traffic has been higher here as every other site than it has in a long time. WHY?
FTA people!! with the same old shit in every other thread. We are not a fta site but we let you come here to have a place to fellowship but most of you guys are young and lazy, dont want to read and I imagine you loose sleep over this cause you got your friend one to and now he has no tv either for a few days. If you cant just sit back and read and try to help then please by all means go to a fta forum. Fta has taken over alot of good places simply because it is the main stream I agree they have been cool for you guys you should be proud. BUT why do you cry when somebody disagrees that they dont like them the best.

I hope the new bins last for at least three months so y'all wont be around(the crybabies ) that is.
Most fta'ers are pretty cool guys/gals that dont have time to waste on "testing" because they have ,job, families, lives!!!!

[tinhorse7911]

I like Both Rotten & Tomico-ind (my opinion here only) but they are usually right on the money!!

[Bandit5906]

Rotten is not my mentor!

[Beavervillain]

I bet he comes back. Besides from what I have read so far Viewsat FTA is the only one with a working fix. Not to say that others won't be able to follow suit. But these are only one type of FTA I personaly don't know anyone with one. Everyone I know have pansat and fortec, and I don't have either I use dvb and a rom102. DVB cause I think its cool to be able to use a computer like that and rom102 cause I like to keep up with whats going on.

[fubr]

I like Both Rotten & Tomico-ind (my opinion here only) but they are usually right on the money!!
we at Mili's eat our own, no need to even bring anybody else into the conversation.
WTF did that come from anyway.
oh I get it the predictions,, oh ok so leave it at that or go to another thread this one is almost done...,.

[chikita]

FTA is alive again for now running viewsat platinum all channels PPV Porn included:rolleyes:

[starjetta]

viewsat 2000 all up and running you just can't beat them .

[JT]

I like Both Rotten & Tomico-ind (my opinion here only) but they are usually right on the money!!

That's your problem. Couldn't have picked a more troubled pair to appreciate. Tobyguy will be banned shortly if he isn't already if he keeps it up.

As far as the FTA's being back up, who here is actually watching ppv or porn on Dish or Bev right now? I've read the hype that Viewsat will be back up, but so far as I know, it hasn't happened yet.

[spanga]

there has been alot of ballyhoo about the demise (or not) of fta ....i know little and can prove it, but frankly, reading some of the info about what the providers have done and why, i am lead to believe that this latest ecm is just the tip of the iceberg.....unless i've misunderstood the somewhat technical stuff the rolling of the encryption keys can be done pretty fast?...at this time the "keys" are static?...i'm not speaking of the traditional keys but the new ones they are implementing....so phase two will be having to auto roll those keys??....am i close to understanding anything here??....sign me humble

[Crazy1_79]

Yes, give me one person who is watching bev and dish ppv and porn. viewsat platinum is up and running? I guess I better go read around and see what I can find.

[Beavervillain]

I can't confirm it because I don't have nor know anyone with a viewsat but i know most of the sites I belong to have files for veiwsat. and the people from those sites are praising them. Whether it is true or holds up is something else.

[rom3812000]

veiwsat all channels wide open ppv porn everything, same as before the so called big change.

[wambam]

ok see ya.
Your to stupid to even know why I put you in the readers club for a few days (not banned) As I see it. the problem will take care of itself....... AND hell I even went and let you out of the dog house two days early and you are just now realizing you can post.
OK look here man I am a bipolar mutha fucker and have good days and bad days. You have tried me on good days and now even bad days, You have nothing to contribute here You only come here to copy and paste stuff.
Traffic has been higher here as every other site than it has in a long time. WHY?
FTA people!! with the same old shit in every other thread. We are not a fta site but we let you come here to have a place to fellowship but most of you guys are young and lazy, dont want to read and I imagine you loose sleep over this cause you got your friend one to and now he has no tv either for a few days. If you cant just sit back and read and try to help then please by all means go to a fta forum. Fta has taken over alot of good places simply because it is the main stream I agree they have been cool for you guys you should be proud. BUT why do you cry when somebody disagrees that they dont like them the best.

I hope the new bins last for at least three months so y'all wont be around(the crybabies ) that is.
Most fta'ers are pretty cool guys/gals that dont have time to waste on "testing" because they have ,job, families, lives!!!!fubr,im mainly an ftar,but i test plastic also.i realy dont care what any-body thinks.i think millis got it togather.and i enjoy this site.hats off to you also for keeping it real.thanks guys

[wambam]

yes i am running d***&b** ppv and porn wide open on viewsat and ppv&porn on plastic d***

[hector100]

Do you have PPV & porn in B3V and dicknetwork? at this moment?

[00000]

I'm starting to feel sorry for dicknet security "experts" - they can't stop fta'ers. It's kinda pathetic. Imagine goin' to work for five years and accomplishing nothing.

[mili]

Only Viewsat has come through so far and they were lucky for now.
The hash could change as soon as tomorrow...if they can't fit the whole ROM image somewhere in the FTA, then they will be down again. That is the trick. Fit the whole image and you are good to go. Can't fit it, then you will have to keep hand coding the new hashes.

mili

[Bandit5906]

A few of the FTA's, but by no means all of them!

[Beavervillain]

I would have to say closer to a month then days. And it is still only a couple of FTA systems (Veiwsat and dreamboxes) that are up the vast majority of these units are still down.

[scabby]

i dont think there is a real problem with fitting the 1 96kb bin but its for the multi provider setup they have ie 2 96kb bins most units have 16mbsdram thats a hell of alot i mean the fta right now have pig epg programing etc with a few of these 'features' remove im sure they will fit the code and rom dump for single provider obviuosly there is alot of bs floating around from most of the fta distributers and sites but thats expected from those that are 100% funded by fta. now prcessing isnt a prob with the newer ones and either is mem but i believe a whole new op sys needs to be established for them to work like build the unt from scratch...Milli you still okay by me but i havr to admit the pricing on this site is a little steep please dont take that personally just stating my opinion... I thnk the site is great educated discussion and very little flaming ( as well as uneducated ) keep stirring the pot ilove when things get all mixed up !

[scabby]

also the vast amjority of fta boxes are clones and cheap knock offs.... dreambox viewsat ariza are pretty much the only new gen of stb ohh ya coolsat is supposed to be too (knock off of viewsat)

[aracheb]

ummmmm
i personally have couple of fta. and legal sub... and avr-x i have almost one of every thing mili sale here... i'm a tester what can i say... i dont even watch almost nothing of ppv or porn.. i just do this for fun... for testing my self. i have a couple of FTA as i stated before.. 2 of them viewsat platinum and viewsat xtreme.. is true they are both running good now.. but by my experienced with dave.. and with dish i dont think this will last long... i'll give 2 weeks as much 1 month.... donst spect too much from this...
as for older fta can be opened, pulled out all the crap like people do in thanksgiving with the turkeys... add some dirt and flowers... and place in your house entrance...
and have a fancy and moderm looking vase ...

[aracheb]

I hope the fta die....
i myself love the fta.. but people have to accept the true.. after the fta event. too many free tv watcher have joined the race. People who love easy stuff. just hook it up. upload the bins. and you are running.. but when the fta die. just the true tester will remain. it will be like when moises split the water in the bible. this will split the free tv watcher from the true tester..

[fubr]

Why is it so hard for people not to act so damn stupid on a message board forum.
The same people are the ones trying to put a square peg in a round hole!!

You guys have to stop bashing back and forth about whats the best method.
It does not matter what you like better you cant bash the other guys stuff cause he chooses to like another method better.

Hijacking threads with opinions will be watched closely to try and keep some kind of order here.
WE WILL NOT let this place get FUCKED up by a bunch of people who most could care less their thoughts anyway.
Help read, answer or go the fuck away.

[Bandit5906]

It's good to see cool heads prevail!

[wambam]

fubr,keeping it real

[Crazy1_79]

Just the true testers what are you talking about most people with plastic have to be spoon fed the same way woopie how hard is this unlock card clean code space and put new bin on card takes a whole 5mins and they are back up and running.True testers??
this is coming from the guy that uses FTA. you write the bin for that FTA unit?

[joey913]

I heard that BL has found a solution. will that mean FTA will work again. I don't want to use my FTA as paper weight...

[Big-Birdd]

BL has a solution for all the Pansats. Even the 2300 or the amoeba of FTA units. So much for FTA is dead. Guess sales were down on plastic goodies and what better chance to up them than a new and different ECM. My faith in predictions from this site just went down a level or two. Once again it proves anything to make a sale and push items will be exploited to the max.

[Bandit5906]

Some are woking and then most are not and the ones that are working were already down for two weeks.

[midknightlyle]

Why make predictions??? Wait for the dust to settle????? Mili not passing on what he hears would be just wrong. If he did not say anything there would be more people pissed about him knowing and keeping his mouth shut. As far as things working that he said would not, your right the dust has not settled, yet. He only is passing on what he hears from people who know more than we do, and by that I mean not too many of us know somebody that has an inside track for any of this. Its kinda like listening to the weather report, they say it will be raining tomorrrow, do you cancel your softball game today?? Or wait to see what happens? People should be happy that there equipment still functions, not get mad and lose faith because a prediction MIGHT not come to pass. Mili has faith in what he says, even when as he calls it "parroting" or he would say to himself that it was bullshit and not say anything. Just an observation.

[spanga]

fta has not gone bye bye and mili has openly spit feathers.....what's the problem?....i happen to believe that mili was right and full implementation of rolling 768 will screw up fta pretty good...wait and see......btw as far as i am concerned true testers are the fanatics that try out everything.....expense->don't matter....lasts two weeks->don't matter.....lied to->don't matter.....blew up->don't matter, get another.....solder, scrape, shim, wiggle, rub, download like it's porn........been there done that and wish there was a t-shirt....hey... there's an idea...lol

[Bandit5906]

One classic post & I could not agree more. Furthermore I admit to the description!