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The Cookie Monster is back. It seems DTV is hacked also. I take no responsibility for this one I am the parrot as usual.
"Well, it is now confirmed that the control words on Bev are being hashed
against random bytes in the cam's ROM. This means that a working dump of
the 102/SW cam is essential for any hack to continue working. Only
problem is that you can't fit a 102/SW dump into a ROM10/11 or ROM101
card or atmega card due to size limitations. The 102/SW dump is about
96kbytes. The old ROM cards are too small to hold this image. The atmega
only has an EEPROM size of 4K. You could try squeezing all that data
into the atmega 128k flash, but then there won't be any space left to
write code. Too bad, as if the new SHA-1 hashing (speed-up) wasn't
enough. This is a double whammy!
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Got this from the cookie monster!
COOKIE MONSTER ANALOGY - The Cookie Monster learns Quantum Mechanics
Everyone has been wondering of late what the providers are doing to
black out certain channels with the rest to follow very soon. Well,
allow me to explain in terms of our "cookie monster analogy".
If you recall the analogy, it goes something like this:
Nagra 2 is considered a secure fortress (or house) with a cookie monster
as the sole occupant. Nobody is allowed in or out of this house and the
cookie monster's job is to bake cookies according to the secret recipe
given to him by the providers. Without this recipe, nobody else can bake
these cookies.
A subscriber comes to the door and requests video authorization for a
particular channel. The cookie monster checks his books to make sure the
subscriber is paying for that channel. If he is paying, the cookie
monster gives the subscriber a cookie that he can use to decrypt the
signal and watch TV for about 15 seconds. This process is repeated after
15 seconds or every time the subscriber changes the channel.
Now, without the cookie recipe or without being able to break into the
N2 fortress, nobody can get get free cookies (i.e. free TV).
The difference betweeen the Nagra 1 fortress and the Nagra 2 fortress
was that the former fortress had a lot of windows which could be broken
(i.e. glitched) to gain access to the N1 fortress and steal the cookie
recipe or the cookies themselves. With N2, all the windows were
completely boarded up and the cookie jar was moved to the basement for
added security.
So what is No1b4me to do now? If you recall, No1b4me was the kid
breaking all the windows in the neighbourhood. Now there were no more
windows to break and it would be impossible to gain access to the N2
fortress. Or would it?
No1b4me had an idea. Why not enter the fortress through the sewer
system? If the providers hadn't sealed off the sewage system going into
the fortress, it just might be possible to "INTERCEPT" the cookie
monster in the toilet!
It WORKED! You can imagine how startled the cookie monster was sitting
on the throne and all of a sudden No1b4me pops out of the toilet! That
one did not go down too well (no pun intended) with the security
providers who had built the N2 fortress. At any rate, No1b4me was able
to steal the cookie recipe from the N2 fortress. Now with the cookie
recipe known, anyone could decrypt the N2 video stream. Soon enough,
cookie factories all over the slums of East Beijing started baking their
own brand of cookies (i.e. FTA) according to the original cookie recipe!
Talk about being trapped between a cookie and a hard place? What were
the security providers going to do now? For a while, they didn't do
much. They tried modifying the cookie recipe every once in a while (i.e.
key changes) but this proved futile as the new recipe could be gotten
the same way the original one was through the sewer.
Interestingly enough, the security providers recently started to bake
their cookies with chocolate chips! They instructed the cookie monster
to "RANDOMLY" add a few chocolate chips to each cookie prior to baking.
So now, the subscriber needs a chocolate chip cookie to decrypt video!
Since only the cookie monster knows how to randomly place the chocolate
chips on the cookie, the FTA cookies won't work anymore. For you see, it
is still possible to enter the N2 fortress and steal the new recipe and
the chocolate chips too and take them back to Beijing, but by the time
the Beijing factory bakes the FTA cookies with the chocolate chips and
sends them overseas, the cookie monster is instructed to "RANDOMLY"
change the location of the chocolate chips on the new cookies and so on!
You see, now you have to ALWAYS be present in the N2 fortress to know
how the cookie monster will randomly place the chocolate chips. Sort of
like a quantum mechanics thing where all events are statistical instead
of deterministic.
In short, that is why you are all watching black screens on one
provider. The second provider will follow shortly as soon as the cookie
monster is ready.
And that is the story of how the cookie monster learned quantum
mechanics and why you won't be watching free TV anymore.
Whatever happened to No1b4me? He decided to go down the street and play.
There is another fortress on the same street owned by a chap named
Murdoch. Guess what? That bumbling fool forgot about the sewer too!
You'll see... "
mili
cablecowboy
05-31-2006, 05:07 PM
So where is the dtv hack?
studluv069
05-31-2006, 05:24 PM
:D :D :D LOL Mili,
That is the funniest analogy I've seen. I gotta give it to my boy No1, now he is crawling through sewer systems. Boy, I don't want to be by his side right now. He might be a little smelly, LOL. But I gotta give you props my brother. Like always, keep up the good work No1.
Studluv069
A-Team
05-31-2006, 05:33 PM
C is for cookie thats good enough for me!
scabby
05-31-2006, 07:06 PM
but fta stbs have the space to put a 102 dump on them they also have card slots (most of them) so a married setup or full emulation could still be possible dont get me wrong i dont realize the fta stb is a limited device......
tinhorse7911
05-31-2006, 07:40 PM
Excellent read, Thank You Mili, (I already started dusting off the good ol dtv receivers)
scabby
05-31-2006, 09:21 PM
obviously i am just generalizing but you made a simple explaination of atmega having only 4k eeprom and 128k flash and no room for 102 dump etcc then woudnt an external eeprom upgrade like was done in the avr days ie the 24lc256 eeprom for autoroll ? could this not be an avenue to solve 102 dump size?
marin001
05-31-2006, 10:29 PM
isn't a eeprom change possible, i am new to this but if i get the anology given, just like a mother board, bigger hard drive and more memory equals a faster system. more to store, more programs to run.
Where and how do you guys plan on putting this eeprom chip on the atmega128? That would be a major mod to the card. You would be better off finding an atmel chip that has the same pin out as the 128 does, but faster and with more memory. Would probably need a new program to program it.
Crazy1_79
05-31-2006, 11:00 PM
God I love the cookie monster analogies
Whatever happened to No1b4me? He decided to go down the street and play.
There is another fortress on the same street owned by a chap named
Murdoch. Guess what? That bumbling fool forgot about the sewer too!
You'll see... "
How stupid.
Monsters should not bake cookies, thats a Mom's job :)
Bout time the sewer ratts returned the favor and showed the way to the new factory via the sewer :) :)
Dsswhiz
06-01-2006, 01:22 AM
Cookie monster analogy fact or fiction ????...
Bugster
06-01-2006, 02:48 AM
can't wait to start eating DTV cookies
Bugster
06-01-2006, 03:16 AM
Excellent read, Thank You Mili, (I already started dusting off the good ol dtv receivers)
my luck. I just went outside to throw out the garbage and found 3 DTV receivers with cards and remote. SWEET
"hope this is real and no BS"
studmonkey76
06-01-2006, 03:39 AM
I really dont think there is a directv hack. Normally you can tell by watching ebay. The price of cards goes up really quick once a hack is found. In the past week, there has not been a single price increase at all on the p4/d1 cards on ebay at all.
DenCan
06-01-2006, 03:40 AM
The next thing we will hear is: the "COOKIE MONSTER"
will let us use "HU Cookies.
studmonkey76
06-01-2006, 03:42 AM
here is more to the story...
The cookie monster randomized the areas of the cookie in which the chocolate chips were placed. In order for the customers to be able to cook up these cookies in their valid cookie monster baking ovens, the oven has to be updated so that it does not burn the cookies, leaving dissatisfaction with the many customers who like the cookies.
However, in the first round of updating, the cookie monster baking ovens didn't take the updates automatically, thus there were many customers who were outraged because they were not able to enjoy their cookies as they were all being burnt, as it was leaving a bad taste in their mouth.
Eventually all the customers baking machines took the update and everyone was happy again. However, the Cookie Monster must now weigh whether or not updating these baking ovens on a period basis is a viable business move or not, since not all the customers baking machines are taking the upgrades..
If the Cookie Monster updates these machines every month changing the random pattern which the chocolate chips are applied to the cookies, and not all the baking machines take the updates, then the customers will be forced to switch cookie companies. The reason for this is because the customers are buying the cookie dough from the cookie monster and once a month the oven is putting out a bad batch of cookies, thus money wasted. Once these customers switch, the cookie monster will have nobody to sell his cookies to. This is where the Keebler Elf starts racking in a fortune.
shopright
06-01-2006, 03:44 AM
Maybe a avr-x for dtv coming down the road.
I really dont think there is a directv hack. Normally you can tell by watching ebay. The price of cards goes up really quick once a hack is found. In the past week, there has not been a single price increase at all on the p4/d1 cards on ebay at all.
what if the crak does not need a p4.
see what the price is next month if it does indeed exist and comes to pass..
you think ebay would know before these guys would?
I really dont think there is a directv hack. Normally you can tell by watching ebay. The price of cards goes up really quick once a hack is found. In the past week, there has not been a single price increase at all on the p4/d1 cards on ebay at all.Maybe after a hack comes out.
studmonkey76
06-01-2006, 04:05 AM
we will see..if a hack does exist and it does involve a card, im good to go as i have tons and tons of p4/d1 cards ..as for now im still waiting on mili to respond to what he said in a post before about romcode not being safe to use because the romcode guys said it wasnt safe..
come on guys if you don't believe it, its not gonna' happen....
bigorangekitty
06-01-2006, 04:52 AM
what if the crak does not need a p4.
see what the price is next month if it does indeed exist and comes to pass..
you think ebay would know before these guys would?
typically, at least with the more recent of the dtv hacks, it has to involve the card, due to the ASIC...
bugger
06-01-2006, 05:27 AM
wasint milli who said there was a rom 10 t0 102 fix out there before it came public? i for one dont want to get my hopes up, as the other providers are working some.........
Guys all the info I got is in the first post. All I know is that the P4 has been glitched into and dumped. I am not sure a full blown P4 hack applied with $100 equipment is possible.
mili
Trapofmind
06-01-2006, 06:19 AM
To bad there wont be a p4 on P3 hack.
studmonkey76
06-01-2006, 06:23 AM
Guys all the info I got is in the first post. All I know is that the P4 has been glitched into and dumped. I am not sure a full blown P4 hack applied with $100 equipment is possible.
mili
Can you show us how u know a p4 has been glitched and dumped??? I for one, havent seen this at all and ive been around forever and a day
stonemaster
06-01-2006, 06:23 AM
O yea and like I only spent a 100 $ on this "hobby" Test me and I'll wiggle !!!!!
Error420
06-01-2006, 06:55 AM
Sounds like its time to start working on some type of hash table or defeat. Would be nice to just pop the stack.
sumpin4me
06-01-2006, 07:55 AM
no1 and fish were looking into some "interesting" new methods to glitch the P4/D1 over at CC few weeks back... and i quoted that word because that was the exact word no1 used when he and fish were basically brainstorming out loud...
just when the thread was getting really juicy and the chatter began to intensify with more testers chiming in on their newly-brainstormed theories, the thread just seemed to stop... no more replies.
next thing you know, it was announced that CC's is closing as of 6-12-2006...
things that make you go.
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HMMMMMM
bartman0916
06-01-2006, 09:06 AM
Can you show us how u know a p4 has been glitched and dumped??? I for one, havent seen this at all and ive been around forever and a day
Is this guy for real ?????? Man if Milli says it is then I believe it is, he hasn't lead us wrong yet.
You are 100% correct sumpin4me. But where oh where did no1b4me go. I know where fish4fun is. But where is no1? Notice how fish is limiting his time?
Can you show us how u know a p4 has been glitched and dumped??? I for one, havent seen this at all and ive been around forever and a day
I've come out of lurk mode to respond to your comment. I also have been around since the H days but We don't have access anymore to the coders. Geez way back when that fellow in Montreal (emulation coder now Retired) would use PGP when sending me email!!
Now, everyone is really Paranoid! Dealers have better access to info, since ultimately they are the ones that Pay the Coders directly. The Man running this site has been around and is Smart enough to give Dave and Larry R. (if he still works there) severe heartburn!!!
Oh, remember when the original Hu Loader went for $12K Dealer Cost??
Remember when 'Satan' go robbed, took his loader and $$'s and kicked Janice in the face??
Remember when the unlooper guy charged $50-75 , minimum of 25 cards and you'd get a swap out and still not sure what you were handed was really unlooped (he made alot of money, most of it went up his nose)?
If you don't 'remember' any of the above....then you know S.F.A. so stay away from your keyboard and just hide and watch.
LURK Mode Status: back to ON!
hotslot
06-01-2006, 04:58 PM
here is the interesting thing, ususally the way things play out is this. other sites begin to rumor a dvelopment has occured. the jonny lunchbucket types at this site flame the living shit out of anybody that claims knowlege of a development. sometimes even the mods flame the hell of of them. sometimes the development turns out to be correct, mili verifies and eveerybody gets on board. this time the first real announcement comes from mili ..... and no flaming at all. seems as though the busts in canada have made the islands , mili's island, the new hub of testing. whatever the case times they are a changing.
dipstick
06-01-2006, 06:08 PM
when will we see the dtv hack??????i'm ready for it
studmonkey76
06-01-2006, 06:26 PM
I've come out of lurk mode to respond to your comment. I also have been around since the H days but We don't have access anymore to the coders. Geez way back when that fellow in Montreal (emulation coder now Retired) would use PGP when sending me email!!
Now, everyone is really Paranoid! Dealers have better access to info, since ultimately they are the ones that Pay the Coders directly. The Man running this site has been around and is Smart enough to give Dave and Larry R. (if he still works there) severe heartburn!!!
Oh, remember when the original Hu Loader went for $12K Dealer Cost??
Remember when 'Satan' go robbed, took his loader and $$'s and kicked Janice in the face??
Remember when the unlooper guy charged $50-75 , minimum of 25 cards and you'd get a swap out and still not sure what you were handed was really unlooped (he made alot of money, most of it went up his nose)?
If you don't 'remember' any of the above....then you know S.F.A. so stay away from your keyboard and just hide and watch.
LURK Mode Status: back to ON!
my point was, that mili said he knows theres one, so why doesnt he give a little proof to back his point...geez i must have ruffled some feathers here..and on top of that, your response to my post, made what kinda point?????
studmonkey76
06-01-2006, 06:29 PM
here is the interesting thing, ususally the way things play out is this. other sites begin to rumor a dvelopment has occured. the jonny lunchbucket types at this site flame the living shit out of anybody that claims knowlege of a development. sometimes even the mods flame the hell of of them. sometimes the development turns out to be correct, mili verifies and eveerybody gets on board. this time the first real announcement comes from mili ..... and no flaming at all. seems as though the busts in canada have made the islands , mili's island, the new hub of testing. whatever the case times they are a changing.
I just find it funny that mili seems to be the only one who "knows" theres a dtv hack.
Beavervillain
06-01-2006, 06:36 PM
I trust milli myself. He is not one to go off half cocked. I believe he posted DTV has been hacked not that there is a hack available. Give it time.
marin001
06-01-2006, 06:51 PM
when i first found this site i was skeptical, as time went by what was being said has come to past. (mili has always come somewhat clean with us, he has told us as much as he can and i have come to trust him) i believe if he sees a dtv hack in the very near future, it will come)
but i'm just a newbie what do i know........
I just find it funny that mili seems to be the only one who "knows" theres a dtv hack.
you have not been around here nor have enough knowledge of anything here to make that kind of statement. espeacially about DTV.
Back before DTV anytime any kind of scam or BS was posted anywhere Mili's was the place to find out wether it was to be or not to be.
woods
06-01-2006, 09:50 PM
i can say i dont trust anyone in this scene. but i can say that i do not believe i have ever read anything on this site that wasnt true or has come to be true written by mili.
woods
Guys all I got is a handful of contacts in the industry and I got the word from one that never failed me saying that No1 has sucessfully dumped a P4. It does not mean that a working 3M is now developed and you can install it in the privacy of your home. It only means that the security protecting the contents of a P4 has been compromised. I am no coder myself but I know that it is a start only. May take months for a commercial or freeware software to be developed and I am certain that your old Mikobu Unlooper will not be enough to even dump a card. I don't usually post rumors to avoid eggs all over my face but this time the news came from a source that I mentioned has never lied to me. Take note, there is nothing to buy, I sell nothing, there is nothing you can do to hasten the development of a 3M IF it will ever be possible. Even if it becomes available in the future touching it will surely make any dealer a bullseye which I assure you I got no interest in becoming. So if it ever materialises you will not be getting it from me that is certain.
mili
genehackman
06-01-2006, 10:24 PM
Dave's Revenge left some pretty deep wounds a while back - protect yourselves from the wrath of his lawyers and his millions. With that said - Bring it on!
werks
06-01-2006, 10:36 PM
Dave's Revenge left some pretty deep wounds a while back - protect yourselves from the wrath of his lawyers and his millions. With that said - Bring it on!
Fuck Dave... I got nothin...so he can get nothin! I'll hack as many cards as I feel like! DTV hack=SWEEEEEEET! lol
Vamp451
06-02-2006, 12:48 AM
Pierre G Martineau was the developer of SLE. Yes, he's a brilliant guy. The days of H and HU fun are over. I remember they also said we'd never glitch an HU card with an H unlooper, boy, jump pins 13 and 14 on the Atmel to apply gated clock pulses to the vcc line and BAM, INS5E would open right up. Well, no such vulnerability exists in the P4/P5. Markus Kuhn helped develop the security in these cards for NDS, his reputation needs no explanation.
kimmichael44
06-02-2006, 01:07 AM
Time will tell.
LeeGibling
06-02-2006, 01:37 AM
I got the word from one that never failed me saying
that No1 has sucessfully dumped a P4.
I wonder if the "Dtag4Tbz" string (issuer-id ?) will turn up again there.
I would take heart and google what Lee is saying guy's.
Vamp451
06-02-2006, 03:23 AM
He is talking about the hardware ID string. I am looking into a Xylinx powered Dynamite programmer from the former Duolabs.
Lee has been trying to keep us posted in the Dave thread, bet he thinks nobody ever read that
He was here just a few days ago. Didnt post just looked and left. I listen to what he has to say anytime.
my point was, that mili said he knows theres one, so why doesnt he give a little proof to back his point...geez i must have ruffled some feathers here..and on top of that, your response to my post, made what kinda point?????
Belly up to the bar and part with $300, and You may be watching Dave.
Too early for that, and if I insulted you ...I'm not a BAD guy and apologise.
Too early for 'proof'......it's not ready for 'prime time' yet.
my point was, that mili said he knows theres one, so why doesnt he give a little proof to back his point...geez i must have ruffled some feathers here..and on top of that, your response to my post, made what kinda point?????
Geez........how bad is your memory?
He was in 'parrot' mode......read as a good rumour but he wouldn't of posted if it 's complete BS.
You want 'Proof'.....it's going to cost you $300. This stuff won't be 'free ware' for a long, long time.
Egadd, I must return to Lurk Mode!
Trapofmind
06-02-2006, 06:39 AM
I guess it's time for the scammers with the p4 hack and the video's "proving" it to pop up all over again.
Yes indeed be very very very sceptical when idiots start advertising the DTV hack.
All there is is a dump. That is all I know.
mili
shane
06-02-2006, 07:16 AM
Wish I Had A Dollar For Every Time I Heard There Was A Hack
I would be happy with $.10
mili
pentium101
06-02-2006, 11:10 AM
When people mention No1, are they referring to the No1 that wrote HU 3m scripts or are they referring to no1b4me?
lectronicman
06-02-2006, 02:00 PM
Pierre G Martineau was the developer of SLE. Yes, he's a brilliant guy. The days of H and HU fun are over. I remember they also said we'd never glitch an HU card with an H unlooper, boy, jump pins 13 and 14 on the Atmel to apply gated clock pulses to the vcc line and BAM, INS5E would open right up. Well, no such vulnerability exists in the P4/P5. Markus Kuhn helped develop the security in these cards for NDS, his reputation needs no explanation.
hehehe....are you feeling as old as i am??:eek:
Budreaux
06-02-2006, 11:44 PM
When people mention No1, are they referring to the No1 that wrote HU 3m scripts or are they referring to no1b4me?
They are on in the same.
A true tester and a very talented one at that..... the man should have gained legendary staus in this hobby by now.
All I know is what I read.
C&P from CC
This sound quite interesting. Exactly where did this info come from? I certainly haven't posted anything anywhere about the P4 except what I have posted here in CC on the other P4 thread and a post I made at ID a few years back where I mentioned the P4. I certainly have not hacked or dumped it! I don't even have a P4 card to test at this moment! I wish I was setup to undertake attacking this card but this is quite a feat in it$elf. At any rate, let me take this opportunity to make clear that I have NOT hacked the P4. Perhaps if I had the proper tools to attack this card the story *might* have been different.
Regards,
no1b4me
Three post above his there is a claim to a dump.
Come on now guys. I have been visiting here fir the last several weeks. I know you dont like it but I am only gonna answer questions here. I have tons of asmc to get done. I have to make a living. Look at his post till you get your answer. Yes, He does seem to hint in it. Read it till you get it. He can not say much in public!!!
For the gang:
Look at the way he spells itself. Look at the might. Start a thread and ask him. i believe he visits here. See his other post on P4 there. If you want copy the plans. You better do it today though. It may be gone tomorrow.
Crazy1_79
06-10-2006, 09:29 PM
no1 is saying if he had $$$$ and he had equipment, he *might* be able to do it, I take it as the asticks meaning he is not guaranteeing it even then, I was wondering in no1 was given credit for that. People just throw his name around when it comes to great breakthroughs, the same goes for penga. Maybe someone did do it, and they are trying to make it look like no1 did it for legal purposes.
They are not hashing the whole ROM bin yet. Just the same 8 byte block over and over. As soon as the hashing becomes more widespread, FTA will have problems if they can't fit the 96k image into the receiver firmware.
Furthermore, blockers for 102 cards will also be affected if the hashing becomes widespread. Reason being is that when you patch a blocker to your card, you are overwriting certain areas of EEPROM that could potentially be used for the hash.
This is only the beginning of what Dish is setting up. Now that the basics are in place, they can HASH ROM, EEPROM and even IRD firmware. I think what they are aiming for is to ensure that you don't modify their cards or receivers in any shape or form. It will get very interesting.
mili
spanky macdouga
06-10-2006, 10:22 PM
They are not hashing the whole ROM bin yet. Just the same 8 byte block over and over. As soon as the hashing becomes more widespread, FTA will have problems if they can't fit the 96k image into the receiver firmware.
Furthermore, blockers for 102 cards will also be affected if the hashing becomes widespread. Reason being is that when you patch a blocker to your card, you are overwriting certain areas of EEPROM that could potentially be used for the hash.
This is only the beginning of what Dish is setting up. Now that the basics are in place, they can HASH ROM, EEPROM and even IRD firmware. I think what they are aiming for is to ensure that you don't modify their cards or receivers in any shape or form. It will get very interesting.
mili
It seems like the FTA people have always come up with a fix for anything that Dish has thrown at them. Given this track record, I'm not quite ready to accept that FTA will be obsolete anytime soon. Just my $0.02 worth.
By the way, keep up the excellent work on your site and your product offerings. Every piece of "testing" equipment that I own I've bought from you...and I'm very happy with doing business with you.
spanga
06-11-2006, 02:26 AM
can't really think of a time when it was uninteresting...there always seems to be some thing going on in this hobby to keep us coming back for more....shake, rattle, and roll.....btw anyone seen that DQ commercial where the Cookie Monster is using green M and M's to make a special batch for Gertrude?....roflmao when i saw that.....my homies thought i'd lost it...lol
Matisse
06-19-2006, 10:27 AM
wonder how many of you still have a subbed p4....?..one married to their subbed hdtv receiver?
i do!......and plenty of other p4's for cloning......
excuse me..im getting an erection just imagining the possibility of it all once again...using my own bin to clone to other cards.....OMG.....keep my sub active...and the rest will follow
Vizion
06-19-2006, 04:11 PM
They are on in the same.
A true tester and a very talented one at that..... the man should have gained legendary staus in this hobby by now.
I call BULLSHIT.. they are NOT the same person.. XXX (xxxxx) was Xxxxx from ATSDSS
No throwing down name and alias associations in a public forum please. You wouldn't want that happening to you...
mtmt1us
06-21-2006, 08:09 AM
Guys all I got is a handful of contacts in the industry and I got the word from one that never failed me saying that No1 has sucessfully dumped a P4. It does not mean that a working 3M is now developed and you can install it in the privacy of your home. It only means that the security protecting the contents of a P4 has been compromised. I am no coder myself but I know that it is a start only. May take months for a commercial or freeware software to be developed and I am certain that your old Mikobu Unlooper will not be enough to even dump a card. I don't usually post rumors to avoid eggs all over my face but this time the news came from a source that I mentioned has never lied to me. Take note, there is nothing to buy, I sell nothing, there is nothing you can do to hasten the development of a 3M IF it will ever be possible. Even if it becomes available in the future touching it will surely make any dealer a bullseye which I assure you I got no interest in becoming. So if it ever materialises you will not be getting it from me that is certain.
mili
Why is it that you worry about Dave targeting you and not Charlie ?
Cause Dave is is Hughes and they are into arms shit and I am sure sending a couple of assassins are not too far fetched a notion to them.
mili
Budreaux
06-21-2006, 11:38 AM
Hahaha.....
Hahaha.....
You may be laughing, but it's not that far fetched. Most all the satellites we steal signal from, regardless of provider, were manufactured and put in orbit by Hughes. These guys do a lot of contract work for NASA and the military. It's pretty amazing what you could find out about these guys with a simple internet search.
I think the primary reason is that Dave has a history of really going after folks, but the other stuff really isn't that far fetched when you get right down to it.
woods
06-21-2006, 10:32 PM
Cause Dave is is Hughes and they are into arms shit and I am sure sending a couple of assassins are not too far fetched a notion to them.
mili
mili he probably already has your gps coordinates programmed into a cruise missile or a laser satellite. put your aluminum helmet on for extra protection.
woods
BigPappi
06-22-2006, 12:33 AM
yea Mili they allready have your address so watch yourself, They probably have spies all over you. They are like Ninjas you know masters of stealth.
One could even be in the cookie monster outfit right there besides you.
However if you really want to blow the money anyone I would be glad to sell you the cookie monster, only $100.00
My daughter has three of them in her bedroom.
midknightlyle
06-22-2006, 02:30 AM
Take it easy people, Mili just passes on what he knows, what he hears that is credible and his opinion. Even if you don't agree with him, it is no reason to show disrespect.
Vamp451
06-22-2006, 04:20 AM
I remember a story involving NDS and a dead kid hanging from a tree in a park in France. These guys make the Mossad look like Boy Scouts! That ain't far-fetched, my friend. Read a little history regarding satellite signal encryption and the measures these guys will take to protect trade secrets!!!
Warcraft
06-22-2006, 04:51 AM
Vamp451, ahh good to see some still remember` yes there was quite the story and rumor behind that, Mili you are not that far off when you say asassins) also the rumors? of all the activities"(code releases/stocks falling// ect), that were impliemented"" that lead up to the take over of Direc ,
there is quite the history if some do a search, scary stuff to say the least, No wonder many went underground, there is still some great talent out there, some are staying idle, some are active under various conditions, he** some jump across 5 connections just to communicay lol
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fyi Panama Jack has a Cervesa problem lol
alwayswatching
06-22-2006, 04:54 AM
God I love the cookie monster analogies
crazy check your pm you have a a little mesage nice to see you again
Budreaux
06-22-2006, 06:24 AM
You may be laughing, but it's not that far fetched. Most all the satellites we steal signal from, regardless of provider, were manufactured and put in orbit by Hughes. These guys do a lot of contract work for NASA and the military. It's pretty amazing what you could find out about these guys with a simple internet search.
I think the primary reason is that Dave has a history of really going after folks, but the other stuff really isn't that far fetched when you get right down to it.
I honestly thought Mili was being sarcastic..
I honestly thought Mili was being sarcastic..
I think mostly he was too. But the reality of it isn't that far out there.
mtmt1us
06-22-2006, 03:24 PM
Be careful Mili.Your pic still shows you holding the DirecTV card.Don't take one for the team in this case !
spanga
06-23-2006, 01:44 AM
actually, it looks like dave is going one better....titanium package......wide open tiers for $7500 a year....includes 10 HD pvr receivers.....works out to like $65/month per receiver......if they don't care where the receivers are the only blood shed will be charlies"s if/when they shut down fta....rather than sub to chuck or maintain min sub, folks will see the deal like mili's dish sub offering will pop up all over the place for wide open dave....
spanky macdouga
06-23-2006, 02:22 AM
actually, it looks like dave is going one better....titanium package......wide open tiers for $7500 a year....includes 10 HD pvr receivers.....works out to like $65/month per receiver......if they don't care where the receivers are the only blood shed will be charlies"s if/when they shut down fta....rather than sub to chuck or maintain min sub, folks will see the deal like mili's dish sub offering will pop up all over the place for wide open dave....
Imagine if Dave was hacked and you cloned the titanium subs......an initial invetsment of $7500 spread across 100 people is dirt cheap.
spanga
06-23-2006, 03:02 AM
that's when you'd start seeing people hanging from trees...lol
I am quite serious I will never fuck with Dave and definately not as the only dealer in the game.
mili
mili very wise well beyond his years
Crazy1_79
06-23-2006, 05:55 AM
shit mili is 95 years old, if he gets anymore "beyone his years" he won't like where he'll be! he's afraid of the dark
Darkbob
06-23-2006, 06:11 AM
Cause Dave is is Hughes and they are into arms shit and I am sure sending a couple of assassins are not too far fetched a notion to them.
mili
You are right there Mili. People have been killed (quietly) for a hell of a lot less than a P4 hack.
--DB
Edit: PS I don't think that's Mili's real picture. Actually I believe it's Leisure Suit Larry. I spent many an evening playing the game trying to get Larry laid. I know Mili has more luck than Larry in that department.
"he's afraid of the dark"
me too....
CorvairShaggy
06-23-2006, 06:36 AM
I may be a little late replying on this thread, but I just noticed it tonight and thought this was a really good read. Love the Cookie Monster Story. Anyway, here is my opinion/thoughts. You guys are nuts who say "There is no P4 hack and never will be". Go back and look at the histroy of DTV hacks, and ask yourself, "If I hacked this, why would I release for freeware or sell?". First DTV, like any other big company, has lawyers on retainers. They put them to work and made them earn there money that they were getting paid for practically doing nothing. The SI team is probably no more, so that probably saved them a nice $ent. Also, if you had a hack, would you want it to get whored from sea to shining sea? Way, way back in the "good ole' days" you could watch an H card for months without problems. That was back in the DOS days when most freetvers would be posting like mad, "How do I Change Directory". They have a hard enough time with point and click. Then it (DTV Hack) picked up steam and went mainstream with GUI interfaces (not a bad thing. Great programs). Then, you were lucky if you could get an HU card to last you from the Tuesday hash to the Friday's hash. If you had a hack for the P4 card, would you release it so your freetv could be hit every day and have feds/lawyers/"asassins" at your door? Even though Dish has been cracked and worked decently for years, many people would rather do DTV. Just look at how much buzz P4 rumors cause. If you had the hack and wanted to cash in, how would you sell it? Just as Milli said, you could not give him the hack. It's like having the best coke or smoke in town, but the minute you put it out there BAM your history. Now, will it ever be released mainstream? Maybe maybe not. Time will tell. Is it hacked? In my opion, probably so. This is a true hobby for alot of people that know there stuff, but when a hobby breaks the hobby/illegal barrier, most would go find a new toy to play with. Too much hastle and costly on many levels to just have fun with on a mainstream level. Look at the way Dish is going. N1 swapped to N2 (H to HU). HU cracked; DTV Hashed hell out of cards. Currently what is going on or going to start with Dish. DTV legal team steps it up, new card/encryption system. Game Over for mainstream. Dish can us DTV as a road map, because it is pretty much heading in the same direction (no legal action luckily yet though). Just my opinions.
BigPappi
06-23-2006, 06:46 AM
I was showing No disrespect for Mili Heck he is the Man, But we all remember what happened to Tron, I believe that was his name you know the Famous one found hanging from the tree? Yea a suicide????? Dave has tricks up his sleeve so you must watch your back if you want to screw with him. All though I'd love to see him come out after me, It would be like the Movie Next of Kin. The hillbillies around here would send out a lot of stuffed body bags. ha ha ha
jojobinks
06-23-2006, 07:19 AM
i have to agree with shaggy..i believe ther is a p4 hack..and probably a p5 out there...just nobody has decided to cash in on it yet...probably because they havnt figured out a way to do it and cover their ass in the process...in fact i ma so sure of this i have several p4 and p5 cards in storage alond with several old rca nad new d10 recievers...if memory serves the p3 hack was out several months before it was "leaked" and became public...clone a card and watch tv for free...then old dave gets fustrated because alot of ppv people were threating to pull therie contracts with him because "lack of security...too many people watching for free" mister wrestling for one (WWE)...so the p4 swap was started...it is a never ending cycle...will close theat loop hole but someone will and always has found another...its just a matter of when not if it becomes public......
so thanks for the inside info there mil...like others have said earlier mil hasnt done us wrong yet so why should we even question him know....
some of the posters need to grow and and get real...if you are in this for free tv you would be better of to pay for a real subscription and leave the hobbiest to do what they love and enjoy..."the thrill of the hack" as i have been calling it for years...
keep up the good work and informative stuff guys...its out there its just a matter of time before we all can get our hands on it
Reabo
06-23-2006, 10:08 PM
Mili, just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to getcha.
LeeGibling
06-29-2006, 02:14 AM
... I got the word from one that never failed me saying that No1 has
sucessfully dumped a P4.
Is this meant as a pun or sarcastically (No1 is "no one") :D ?
Recently I dug out an Infineon paper about the SLE66P TOE (target of evaluation).
I found some intersting lines about STS the (Self Test Software) CIM (Chip
Identification Mode) and STS TM (Test Mode) there.
The STS resides in a 8KB protected ROM area. The CIM is already known since Oct.
2004, under the name of ATR_DM, which som1 else (not me) has invented at that
time.
If some1 however managed to get the card from STS CIM into STS TM, or jump directly
into the STS TM during boot, and is knowledgable about the specific command structure
there, a dump can be as easy as 1-2-3.
Lee,
If it is not pun or sarcasm, i for one would like to see the post, thread, or pointer to site such info would reside on.
pocchia
07-06-2006, 05:08 AM
Mili
At the beginning of this thread it's stated that DTV is hacked !!! If it is true when and where do we see it? with dish doing what they are doing it really would be nice (is that the right word) to have something else lined up in your corner..I really do miss my boxing and with football season coming I will probably go into a coma or somthing .....
pocchia
A-Team
07-06-2006, 05:18 AM
Mili
At the beginning of this thread it's stated that DTV is hacked !!! If it is true when and where do we see it? with dish doing what they are doing it really would be nice (is that the right word) to have something else lined up in your corner..I really do miss my boxing and with football season coming I will probably go into a coma or somthing .....
pocchiaIf you read the entire thread you would know that Mili was only told that No1 has succesfully dumped the P4 that doesn't mean there is a 3m to write to the card if that is at all possible.Also he said he would have nothing to do with the hack if it does come avalible in fear of being a target for dave.
I would embrace the hack as I would two barely subcritical chunks of plutonium.
mili
spanga
07-06-2006, 05:51 AM
I am quite serious I will never fuck with Dave and definately not as the only dealer in the game.
milias pat paulson used to say....if nominated i will not run...if elected i will not serve...lol
Trapofmind
07-06-2006, 07:46 AM
I would embrace the hack as I would two barely subcritical chunks of plutonium.
mili
I'm sure the resale value would be great, but shipping prices could be out of this world.
spanky macdouga
08-14-2006, 06:49 PM
It seems like the FTA people have always come up with a fix for anything that Dish has thrown at them. Given this track record, I'm not quite ready to accept that FTA will be obsolete anytime soon. Just my $0.02 worth.
My comments proved to be true.:rolleyes:
My comments proved to be true.:rolleyes:
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet spanky.:p We'll see if it lasts more than a few days then you can brag.
spanky macdouga
08-14-2006, 07:28 PM
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back just yet spanky.:p We'll see if it lasts more than a few days then you can brag.
Ouch. How many days should I wait?
Titus99
08-14-2006, 07:50 PM
My comments proved to be true.:rolleyes:
VS comes out with a fix 2 months after it was first promised, and fta users are so happy that they're hugging each other and planning a circle jerk party.
Relax. So you made a prediction and it came true. You had no knowledge before making your prediction, so really you guessed and were right. So what?
Eventually both fta and plastic will be down for good. We have to enjoy it while we can.
Wait a week and see. Personally, I'll be suprised if it makes it past tomorrow's changes.
mtmt1us
08-14-2006, 07:51 PM
Does this mean that all of your fta's are working again?
spanky macdouga
08-14-2006, 08:47 PM
VS comes out with a fix 2 months after it was first promised, and fta users are so happy that they're hugging each other and planning a circle jerk party.
Relax. So you made a prediction and it came true. You had no knowledge before making your prediction, so really you guessed and were right. So what?
Eventually both fta and plastic will be down for good. We have to enjoy it while we can.
It's true that I had no working knowledge and it was only a prediction that turned out to be true. As I stated before, my prediction was based on the FTA manufacturers past history. Will FTA go down again? Probably. Will it be back up again? Probably, based on their past history.
<standing on my soap box>
I don't understand why some people dislike FTA so much? So it's not true testing...so what? It was FTA that first cracked N2. It was FTA that cracked MAP57, according to mili's and/or his sources. I think a lot can be learned from FTA's success and vice versa. The more testing platforms we have the better we're all off. I don't believe for one minute that Dish would have let up on ECM's if ROM102 cards were the only hackable alternative. They would have tried, and probably suceeded, in wiping out ROM102 & 103. The more choices we have the better off we are in this 'hobby'.
<getting off my soap box>
Crazy1_79
08-14-2006, 08:59 PM
where I come from we have a saying, "Even the sun shines on a dog's ass once in awhile"
MAXsat
08-14-2006, 10:00 PM
lmao..better get some SPF 15, don't wanna fry fido's ringpiece.
Pyotr
08-14-2006, 10:47 PM
It's true that I had no working knowledge and it was only a prediction that turned out to be true. As I stated before, my prediction was based on the FTA manufacturers past history. Will FTA go down again? Probably. Will it be back up again? Probably, based on their past history.
<standing on my soap box>
I don't understand why some people dislike FTA so much? So it's not true testing...so what? It was FTA that first cracked N2. It was FTA that cracked MAP57, according to mili's and/or his sources. I think a lot can be learned from FTA's success and vice versa. The more testing platforms we have the better we're all off. I don't believe for one minute that Dish would have let up on ECM's if ROM102 cards were the only hackable alternative. They would have tried, and probably suceeded, in wiping out ROM102 & 103. The more choices we have the better off we are in this 'hobby'.
<getting off my soap box>
One reason is the prception(whether true or not) is that FTA brings down too much heat on other forms of testing.Without FTA,Charlie wouldn't have gotten so good at ECM's maybe.WTFK.
Titus99
08-14-2006, 11:41 PM
It's true that I had no working knowledge and it was only a prediction that turned out to be true. As I stated before, my prediction was based on the FTA manufacturers past history. Will FTA go down again? Probably. Will it be back up again? Probably, based on their past history.
<standing on my soap box>
I don't understand why some people dislike FTA so much? So it's not true testing...so what? It was FTA that first cracked N2. It was FTA that cracked MAP57, according to mili's and/or his sources. I think a lot can be learned from FTA's success and vice versa. The more testing platforms we have the better we're all off. I don't believe for one minute that Dish would have let up on ECM's if ROM102 cards were the only hackable alternative. They would have tried, and probably suceeded, in wiping out ROM102 & 103. The more choices we have the better off we are in this 'hobby'.
<getting off my soap box>
How can you base anything on fta manufacturers past history? Didn't they promise a P4 DTV hack? I don't see one yet. At some point they won't be able to hack d*sh anymore. Nobody knows when that will be, but someday. Don't assume that they will always provide you with a fix.
You might be correct in saying fta cracked N2. Why would they put their efforts in doing that? Simple - millions of dollars. Don't think they're doing it from the goodness of their heart. That's the only reason they provided this fix - to sell more boxes. Without it, they probably go out of business.
D*sh would definately continue their ecms if fta wasn't around. But I also believe that they wouldn't have been so adament as they have been. You have to remember that most plastic testers also have a sub. When DTV secured their signal, they lost several subs to D*sh. So I'm not totally convinced that D*sh won't tolerate limited "testing".
I agree that it's good to have several forms of testing - it's always nice to have a backup. But too many forms of testing will result in a card swap which won't be good for anyone.
One good thing about fta being up again is that the price of rom 102's might drop. I bought mine several months ago for $40. I should have bought a truck load back then.
22v10
08-15-2006, 07:35 AM
$hit This has got to be one of the funniest threads to date. All though I do detect a shred of sanity here.
Where the hell is Dexter when you need him.
I would agree their probably is a hack, or a dump at least but no 3m yet!
I would make all the dealers fly to china and then start the bidding over lunch!
mili just put a big bullzeye on him and here once the word gets out just watch the anonymous & reg. users increase for the first blip, then card prices will go up as a sign if there is a dump and when enough reputable dealers get there hands on it. The Pandora’s box will be open once again. Someone will get greedy, then another will get mad, and yet another will release it or a rendition of it. History repeats itself so don’t think it does not…
The FTA facade is just that, a front of mass distribution. They got balls and I'll give them credit for that only. I'm betting not one of them has the solo knowledge it takes to produce the 3M and make it to the bank! They regurgitate what they are given on a wide scale too hard to track and battle even with Dave’s minions of lawyer's. That's why he went after the end user. Funny only one FTA has a current fix its simple kill the demand side first, no normal small time dealer would touch it with a 50 foot asbestos pole.
Money!! can you say NFL Sunday ticket, PPV events. That is daves bagel you don’t snatch it off his plate. Screw the HD locals. Forget about HBO. The classic good vs. evil all over again. my .02 Back to the cookies and milk.
22v10
:p
Disclaimer, I dont' know WTF I'm talking about. :D just thought I would waste some Bandwidth:p
Hack@d
08-15-2006, 09:31 AM
What I find extremely entertaining is reading what a bunch of TV thieves debate the talent of an obvious powerful and resourceful segment of the satellite hacking community. What you have to remember is that is site is a help/resource site and nothing groundbreaking or any huge contributions to the so called testing community have ever originated here.
What also blows my mind in that FTA, DVB thieves are below people who steal with plastic???? News flash...it is the same end result and in my opinion some of the code written is just a complex as anything done for plastic. Sure programming for plastic is a far more 'raw' than what I would do for a desktop app but answer me this...who has written any of their own code? I am sure there are a few of you who can do a bang up job running someone else stuff. People need to respect the talent.
FTA/DVB will go up and down, this is a given, and so will plastic. Eventually getting free TV will no longer be an option for the masses. There will be various reasons why this will happen...greed and new a better technology. I say flood the market with all the methods possible.
Fluffy
08-15-2006, 03:48 PM
Well put Hack@d, well put.
Let's have all the testing options available.
Quantity AND Quality is the new thing now!
Fluffy :)
Mr. HQ
12-20-2006, 09:45 AM
No1b4me, Fish4Fun
It's been a long time.
Hackers don't go away, they just change aliases. ;)
snake173
12-24-2006, 06:27 AM
I have been away and find the new talk interesting if there is a possiableity of a hack we need to think like those who have been the biggest pain in the butt to our government and protect our hackes who will be subject to the law and dave with a cell structure so we will be in a position to protect those who stick there necks out the most where only one individual or then just the three in that cell get draged into court this time we need to be in a position to make it so expensive that the enemy will have to hock is sat's to catch us. If it true if not
MARRY XMAS HAPPY NEW YEAR AND I HOPE WE ALL LIVE FOR EVER.
snake173
Time to close this one I think. Old news to be sure.
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