Rom 102 Rev 103(virgin cams)Need some pro advice!

[steindude]

Fellow free-tver's,

Been trying for days with these sum-bitches.
Using white Nexus flashed with newd13.
POT set to just under 220 ohms. Thing is a bitch to get right on the numbers!
Dip switches set to 2 and 5.
Valid atr responses in N2 edit and NM 2.0.
Glitching for days with no luck.
Have used NM2.0, WinEx rebelsurf, rom10x unlocker, well just about every script in the download section.
Power supply is rat shack variable voltage 300ma power cord. Set at first to 9v now tring 7.5.
Have tried several different cams. No luck. Just get --------------.
I even tried an old HU trick of pulling the card in and out. Got the Rst08 and RSt03's to show but in the end it did nothing.
I am even trying one ex-subbed rev 105. No go so far..........
I have scoured the forums and it seems some other testers are having luck with these cards. Would appreciate a hand here.
Not ballistic yet but well on my way. Think I'll go a McDonalds and chat with the lovely people there..............LOL
Thanks,
the Dude

[screwie]

Did U tried newd13 w/ WinExplorer 5.0 ?

[mopar611]

Use nagramaster with 9v, 2.2kohms with 13d and 2 and 5 down..

Itll open in less than 5 minutes...

Mopar

[mopar611]

Did U tried newd13 w/ WinExplorer 5.0 ?


HUH??? :eek: :eek:

[mopar611]

First off on your meter you got rather ohms as in 200 ohm or 20K ohm now every 1000 is 1 K so are you wanting 220 ohm or 220K ohms.

220 would be on 20K scale .220 and 2.20K would be 2.20 on 20K scale.

Or lower your ohms until you error out. Then raise a little bit. You will be close..

I dont recommend you do it while glitching as it could loop your card.

Mopar

[steindude]

Mopar,
Do you suggest sticking with NM2.0 or WinEx 5.0. If Winex, what script.
Tried 2.20 in NM2.0 no go after 5 minutes.
thanks,
the Dude

[mopar611]

Stick with nagramaster.. I swear by it..

You are running as I suggested??

Did you error out in nm??

[mopar611]

I still think your problem is with your ohms..

Keep lowering your pot until Nagramaster errors out. Then
raise it up and let'er run..

[steindude]

I have run this at near bottom end of the ohm spectrum but never received an error message. Or is it above the bottom that you receive an error message? And what does it read?

[mopar611]

Lowering it will error it out..

Stick your meter on your glitcher and move your trim pot..

Beginning to wonder if its broke??

Mine lasted 5 minutes before mine broke.. They are junk..

[steindude]

got the meter handy. in what increments would you suggest I lower the POT?

[mopar611]

Dont really know as I dont know how much it will drop.. I use a different trim pot on mine.. Just go really slow..

What I do is just watch NM running as I lower it.. You will notice more numbers and letters as you decrease it.. You want dashes along with numbers and letters.. To low and the dashes go away..

Just try moving it around paying attention to your meter to see what that pot is doing.. Makeing sure your pot is ok..

I am beginning to wonder if its broke..

[vmod32]

lower the pot all the way until it errors out then tun the pot back up bit by bit until you get some action. If you can't get it to error out by lowering the pot all the way then it's bad, replace it. If you turn them too far you can break them, and juding by how long you have tried that ould have happend.

[mopar611]

I agree with you vmod..

He should of popped it by now. He has all the right settings..

[steindude]

the POT is red hot to the touch. Is it toast?

[dellsam34]

Hi guys sorry for interupting, I have a yellow card with dish 500 logo only on it the info menu shows DNASP102 Rev 106 does that means I have ROM 102 ? the card # is S00301XXXXX-XX thanks

[steindude]

If I do need to replace the POT, the only ones Ive seen are at rat shack and they look way different. Any clue where to get replacement parts for this?

[steindude]

switched to winex for the hell of it. popped 3 cards. 47 sec, 3min 37 sec, 18 min 11sec. OH JOY!!!!!
Now do I read then save or save then read?
Thanks

[maverikck2002]

Every time that I have glitched a virgin (rev 103) rom 102 card, the ohms have been around 50-70 ohms. 220 is for rom 10 cards and 101's. Unless your loader is a lot different than mine, I would say that is the problem. Good luck and let me know if you helped at all.

maverikck2002

[vmod32]

Yeah the pot will get real hot, it happens and is okey, There are better ones out there that can handel the load better, but not worth replacing if it's not broken. You really can use any pot, personaly all I could get at the time was a 10k ohm 5 turn pot, so it's the matter of less than 1/32 of a turn to get the +-+--+-+ mix. A lower 5ohm pot is easier as each turn should be less sensitive. But as maverick said I get results with about 30-80ohms. But mines an oooold h card unlooper, so maybe the enw designes work better at 2.2kohm? But eiherway, you want to turn the pot all the way down until it gets no ATR then turn her back up bit by bit untill you get some action. It's recommended never to turn the pot while glitching as it can loop your card. personaly I tweaked mine while running, but it's not recommended. I have new 4619 chips on order so bring it up to the next level. This old unlooper just wont die, has not failed me yet, so I see no reason to replace it. :)

[dellsam34]

I have a yellow card with dish 500 logo only on it the info menu shows DNASP102 Rev 106 does that means I have ROM 102 ? the card # is S00301XXXXX-XX and looks just like this (https://dssftp.com/xcart/product.php?productid=53&cat=6&page=1) thanks

[foxx1600]

yes dellsam 103 revision 106 tuffy to open need newer loader start yer own thread by the way :)

as for those post they run to hot for me i just use a 1/4 watt resister and leave it the same for all yellow cards ...as our rat shack dont stock crap and they have no idea what a pot or trimmer is lol

[dellsam34]

yes dellsam 103 revision 106 tuffy to open need newer loader start yer own thread by the way :)

as for those post they run to hot for me i just use a 1/4 watt resister and leave it the same for all yellow cards ...as our rat shack dont stock crap and they have no idea what a pot or trimmer is lol
So are you saying it's a ROM103 and not 102 ?

[steindude]

Ok fellow pirates,

First the good news. Popped 7 rom102 rev 103's. or so I think...
Like I posted above, I got frustrated when I could not "error out" in NM2.0 by lowering the pot setting. But in trying to do that I must have gotten close because when I switched to Winex5.0 using rebelsurfs script the bastards finally read CAM NOW OPEN.

I immediately switched to my ISO and tried to reset ATR. ALL GOOD. When I try to read, NO GO.

Now. I have read just about every post on this subject that I could find.
There are tons of people with rev 103's that have the same "no read" problem. (BTW I did try to use all 3 versions of N2Edit) However, I have not found one definitive fix for this.

Crazy posts something about Aoff.
Another said clean codespace a couple of times.
One said use debugger.
Finally the last I read was to try write to the card anyway. I have a problem with that because I would like to at least save the image first.

So, Crazy, Skinerd, and the rest of you "most-talented" dish "superfreaks", feel free to chime in here. Let's crack this, make a sticky and put it to bed.

most humbly,
the Dude

p.s will post my "pot" setting when I get back home to read it. It should come in handy to few people having the same trouble...

[Crazy1_79]

you do not have to lower pot settings till the pot gets hot. that is what the 4619 chips or for. they are faster and don't have to be put through that kind of stress to work. 200-220 ohms should work find. I am going to run this down for you guys one more time.
rom 102, rev 103-105 rom102_aoffintercept_v20_autovcc is the program to use. if you are using rebelsurf, make damn sure it is for the rev you are unlocking
rom 102 rev 106-107, use rom10x_writer_reader or rebelsurf that is for the 106,107
rom 102 rev 108, use the rebelsurf 108,244 unlocker that uses newdRS.
I do not use Nagramaster. I know some of you guys love that program, but I don't use it, you can, however, use it on rev 105 and rev 103. nothing else.
If you are using the white nexus. set the vcc start to 15 or 20 and the vcc limit to 0. I have never popped a card above 12 vcc with the nexus'. however some computers may vary a bit.

[steindude]

Craze-dude!

Got the file. Where exactly in the script to I adjust the settings. Don't want to screw this up.

I went through the whole thing and saw "changing personal settings" but next to it said "don't eff with it" or something.
Maybe a c&p would set me straight.

Thanks again Master Crazy1.

so not worthy,
the Dude

[steindude]

is this correct?


End if
Sc.Verbose = False 'Turn echo on - False = turns it off
VCCStart = &h20 'h25 is standard, script is auto vcc dont change 90
VCCLimit = &h0 'h05 is standard, script is auto vcc dont change 02

'================================================= ==
'================================================= ==
'User selectable options
'================================================= ==
'================================================= == End if
'================================================= ==
'================================================= ==

[Crazy1_79]

YOu also have to scroll almost to the bottom of the script. I cannot show you now because I have winexplorer running on some other projects and I cannot lose my place. it will simply keep taking you back up to 40 for a vcc unless you find the part where it says "vcc limit hit back to 40 vcc. above that you will see a &h40 after some numbers. you need to change that to &h20 then where it says back up to 40. if you want it to say 20 you need to change the 40 to a 20, it can still say 40 and really be going back up to 20 as long as you change the first one.

[steindude]

cool got that. what about the zero for the vcc limit?

[Crazy1_79]

that will adjust just by the setting it at the top part of the script where it says 02. change it to 0 and it is good. I know it says do not adjust. but do it anyway.

[steindude]

Ok.
Got my pot set to 200-220 ohms. Have corrected the script as you instructed.

One more quick question. Assuming all is correctly set, how long does the average card take to "pop". Best case and worse case scenarios. If you tell me to let it run til hell freezes over, I believe you because you are "the Man". Just would like to hear about some of your results so I can get an idea that I'm not spinning my wheels in mud here.

Happy 4th Craze-dude!

gonna crack a beer and watch this sucker run for awhile....
the Dude

[omare]

Well, I got my white nexus about a week ago, and found myself an old forgotten virgon 102 which I didn't know I had .. I used it only to update my 501's firmware.

I managed to pop open this card with NM 2, funny thing is I used all default settings that came with the unlocker, the only thing I did was giving the nexus a 12V input. The card opened in less than 30 secs. but I don't know- it was my first (and so far the only time I needed to pop a card) ... begginer's luck maybe?

Well this just goes to ask you if you have tried the defaults and 12v input?

[steindude]

Omare,
Funny thing. When I first started to unlock these, I changed voltage during the glitch process using NM2.0. I felt the loader starting to get hot and "chickened". Later I read that 9v was sugggested but 12v was acceptable also.
Right after swapping voltages the NM2.0 would not detect the atr. I rebooted everything and it recognized the atr once again(to my relief). These cards can be so touchy, so i've read.
The default setting on the POT for mine was the flat portion of the POT facing the trailing edge of the loader. Or centered if you will. Is that what yours was at?

thanks for the input.

the Dude

[omare]

Omare,
Funny thing. When I first started to unlock these, I changed voltage during the glitch process using NM2.0. I felt the loader starting to get hot and "chickened". Later I read that 9v was sugggested but 12v was acceptable also.
Right after swapping voltages the NM2.0 would not detect the atr. I rebooted everything and it recognized the atr once again(to my relief). These cards can be so touchy, so i've read.
The default setting on the POT for mine was the flat portion of the POT facing the trailing edge of the loader. Or centered if you will. Is that what yours was at?
thanks for the input.
the Dude

I'm not at home right now so I don't have access to my nexus settings. At the end of the day I'll post back the exact configuration of my unlocker, what I do remember is the 12V setting, 'cause it was the only thing I had to set on the DC adapter. One more thing, are you using a conventional serial cable or is it a USB-to-serial adapter? I'm using a plaing serial cable with no adapters, that seems to work better.

I promise to post back with the info when I get home...

[Crazy1_79]

if it don't pop in a a few hours. I would start changing stuff.

[steindude]

Thanks Crazy,Omare.

Omare. Yes using a conventional 9pin serial plug. No adapters.

Crazy. What do think about varying voltages?

the Dude

[ber2z]

lower revs always open for me at about 30 ohms, with 6v ps.

[steindude]

3 hours so far, no glitch.
Ber2z, have you used the Aoff Intercept script with that Ohm setting. If not, what script worked for you.
Thanks
the Dude

[pswine1]

switched to winex for the hell of it. popped 3 cards. 47 sec, 3min 37 sec, 18 min 11sec. OH JOY!!!!!
Now do I read then save or save then read?
ThanksSteindude do you have a good xpatmel with newd13. All the ones I download from the pub files section end in errors. I have a nexus that I am trying to flash.

[steindude]

pswine,

had the same problem with the atmel 2.0 version. nothing but errors. Use the 1.3 version. Works like a charm. No errors. Loaded first try. I believe it is #31 in the ROM10x unlocking files.
Good luck.

[pswine1]

pswine,

had the same problem with the atmel 2.0 version. nothing but errors. Use the 1.3 version. Works like a charm. No errors. Loaded first try. I believe it is #31 in the ROM10x unlocking files.
Good luck.Yep you are right i got the file and that did it. Now that my Nexus is flashed using Nagra Master Version 2.0 (Loader Version) clicked on check icon and got a response "This does not appear to be a valid Rom 102 ATR" dip switch 2 and 5 on and all others off. Using 9V 200MA power supply. N2Edit v2.3 can read ATR fine using Nexus hardware. Any solutions for this? Thanks for your help

[steindude]

pswine,
I remember reading that the ma minimum was 300ma. Volts you can vary but the ma's don't seem to be.
Hope this helps.
Check your ohms on your POT. They can make a difference.
Read through this post and you'll find different settings to try with different scripts.

the Dude

[Crazy1_79]

if your ohms are not set right for nagramaster, it will give you that error whether card is good or not.

[smilingjack]

NEXUS ORGARE the old chips (4053) NewD13

dips 1 on

pot about 50 to 70 ohms

delay start = &h315....or 335.........or 385

delay limit = &h325.....or 345..........or 395
delay settings vary from card to card and also from loader to loader...my best results for delay settings are in red

glitch max = 8

glitch min = 6

mix = 0.6

VCCStart = &h40

9volts @ 800 ma.

It did in 3 mintuts

[pswine1]

if your ohms are not set right for nagramaster, it will give you that error whether card is good or not.Crazy1_79 where do i set the ohms? it's a nexux 4619 chip.

[yordan40]

I am using a modded t911 blue case with 4916 chips on it. Power supply 9v 300ma. Fash newd13. Program pirate.tv. Dip point 2 on only. Pot set at 21 ohms. Scrip: ROM102_ND13_A0FF-INTERCEPT-autoVCC_20. I had poped about 20 cards using these settings not loopped any.

[Crazy1_79]

just try moving it around some, it will give valid ATR when good. I had mine around 200 ohms I think.

[steindude]

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Ok here are the details. Hopefully they will help someone else in preventing the same result.

I ran Aoff Intercept script for 4+ hours with the POT set between 200-220 ohms. NO GO.

I switched back NM2.0 but bumped up the voltage to 12.0 volts. At the lower POT settings I got no response. When I started to raise the POT I got the error message I was looking for. NO ATR RESPONSE. However what I didn't know was that along with this verbage are the words THE CARD MAY BE LOOPED. This is what I fixated. So, instead of re-adjusting the POT I tried to reset the ATR. NO GO.

OK. Here is what I observed. When running NM2.0 you get -------------- Until you are close. Then you get RST08---RST0A---RST03RST08---e.g. When the progress window freezes you are close to getting the ATR error. I think the mistake is waiting for the error. ALSO, I noticed that even though the progress window freezes, the Reset Delay continues to scroll through different voltages but Slowly.

Geez! I hope this makes sense and aids somebody to avoid looping their cards. When this happens, you just want to wreck the house and kick the neighbors cat....

the Dude

[steindude]

My POT is Toast! READS 154.4K ohms steady no matter which way I turn it. Time to search the HOW TO section to figure out how to replace it.

I have a Milikobu4 that I just finished modding. It flashed ok but wont run the Aoff Intercept script or NM2.0. Aoff says I need to flash with Newd13hex. And NM2.0 says no valid ATR. Double checked with the ISO, atr is good.

RATS!

the Dude

[mopar611]

My POT is Toast! READS 154.4K ohms steady no matter which way I turn it. Time to search the HOW TO section to figure out how to replace it.
I have a Milikobu4 that I just finished modding. It flashed ok but wont run the Aoff Intercept script or NM2.0. Aoff says I need to flash with Newd13hex. And NM2.0 says no valid ATR. Double checked with the ISO, atr is good.
RATS!
the Dude


Go to rat shack and get the .5 5kohm trim pot..

Then unsoldier the old pot.. The 3 little squares. Only 2 are used as the 3rd is just to help hold it down.. If you look really close, you will see what 2 goes to the 2 pads to measure your ohms.. If will be obvious to you. Like 2 green lines going to the ohm pads.. Then soldier the middle and the closest legs to the 2 pads.. Thats it.. You cant mess it up.. Then drill a hole on top of your loader to mount the trim pot.. Then measure your ohms before you asseble.. Its that easy..

Mopar

[steindude]

Mopar,

Thanks for the input. Do you have a part # for the rat-shack .55k ohm pot?
Also just to clarify. Solder the middle wiper to one of the outside wipers and then solder each leg to the two connections points on pcb. Either end, does not matter. Correct?

the Dude

[steindude]

Ok, got the POT changed to a 1kohm 15 turn POT.

Mopar, you were correct. It was a piece of cake! Less than 10 minutes work, including heating up the iron.

I am going to try lowering the POT settings between 21-80 ohms. That is the average of what I have read has worked for other Peeps. Will also try varying the voltage between 6v and 12v. 200-200 just wouldn't work for these cards.

So, a testing I will go..........

Will report back with the results.

Thank you to all who have lent a helping hand in this so far debacle.

the Dude

[mopar611]

I wouldnt go to far down 200 bro...

It will either loop or error out the program..

When they say 20 to 70 it means 200 to 700... Depending on how they
have there meter set up..

Use 9v..

Mopar

[steindude]

Finally got the "CAM WIDE OPEN" in NM2.0 but when I went to read the card in my ISO. Failed to read.
This is getting frustrating.
Has anyone gotten as many false "CAM WIDE OPEN" messages and not been able to read, write, or even save the image afterword? These cards are a bitch!!!!!!

I am using 300ma variable volt rat shack power source. Can the ma's make a significant difference? The specs on the Nexus specifically state 300ma minimum.

Oh BTW. I ran through the WINEX Aoff Intercept script with the POT set at 20,30,40,50,60,etc, ohms for about 15minutes apiece. No GO.

Any input is welcome.

the Dude

[mopar611]

Run it again...

You can also read it in NM..

Mopar

[pswine1]

Finally got the "CAM WIDE OPEN" in NM2.0 but when I went to read the card in my ISO. Failed to read.
This is getting frustrating.
Has anyone gotten as many false "CAM WIDE OPEN" messages and not been able to read, write, or even save the image afterword? These cards are a bitch!!!!!!

I am using 300ma variable volt rat shack power source. Can the ma's make a significant difference? The specs on the Nexus specifically state 300ma minimum.

Oh BTW. I ran through the WINEX Aoff Intercept script with the POT set at 20,30,40,50,60,etc, ohms for about 15minutes apiece. No GO.

Any input is welcome.

the DudeRun it again I had the same problem but I was using a 200mA. Once I got a 300mA from Wolly World got a good response and all was wide open using Nexus and NM 2.0.

[steindude]

Pswine,

Glad to hear you "popped' your card. Please give me the details.

ROM REV
VOLTS
OHMS SETTING
TIME TO POP

I have the white Nexus also. Maybe I can dial in the settings if your card was similar.

Thanks,

the Dude

[steindude]

People,
I have not abandoned the quest. However, I have come to the egde of insanity with these Demon cards. I must now go and make the pilgrimage to the "Guru". Fear not for my well being, as he is a good, and kind all-knowing Guru.

I will report back with my new-found teachings and together we will conquer these "harbingers of sorrow".

Now what does the Guru drink again? Oh yeah, Night Train. Gonna be a long one...

the Dude

[Crazy1_79]

and who might this guru be?

[steindude]

Crazy,

I humbly submit he is no where near your caliber of expertise.
He is however, well versed in the ways of the "plastic". Something I am sorely lacking.

I can mod the "#$%@" out of anything, but plastic is new and painful so far.
I hope this venture provides me with a few "AHA'S" to share with the masses.
I'm all about spreading the wealth of knowledge.(what little I know)

I continue to be greatful to all of you who are so patient with us "knownothings".

Thanks, honestly.

the Dude

BTW, that beer post in the 102 programming section was hilarious.

[steindude]

In the end, Ladies and Gents. I bought a blue Nexus and cracked all my roms without even looking at the Pot.
I know this offers no solution to the White Nexus problem but, wanted to follow up.
BTW, when Nagramaster is ready to "POP" a card you will get a lot of RST03RST01 etc ina row. Hope this helps somone...
the Dude

[deres61]

Fellow free-tver's,

Been trying for days with these sum-bitches.
Using white Nexus flashed with newd13.
POT set to just under 220 ohms. Thing is a bitch to get right on the numbers!
Dip switches set to 2 and 5.
Valid atr responses in N2 edit and NM 2.0.
Glitching for days with no luck.
Have used NM2.0, WinEx rebelsurf, rom10x unlocker, well just about every script in the download section.
Power supply is rat shack variable voltage 300ma power cord. Set at first to 9v now tring 7.5.
Have tried several different cams. No luck. Just get --------------.
I even tried an old HU trick of pulling the card in and out. Got the Rst08 and RSt03's to show but in the end it did nothing.
I am even trying one ex-subbed rev 105. No go so far..........
I have scoured the forums and it seems some other testers are having luck with these cards. Would appreciate a hand here.
Not ballistic yet but well on my way. Think I'll go a McDonalds and chat with the lovely people there..............LOL
Thanks,
the Dude
:cool:
Look at your card Bottom part right hand side IF you See there the
Nagra ID-AA-07 then you have the Rom102 card but if not then you not having Rom102 card insted of the Blue Dish or the Bell Nagra ID DA-02 ot 03 0r 05 you have the Rom10 card you can't glich into it this program need a Password to unlock it this situation happened to me......the Rom 10 has the Rom102 mask on it.......