US Goverment SUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WyldCherry]

C/P


On May 11, 2005, Congress passed the Real ID Act that was later signed into law by President Bush. The Real ID Act creates the first ever National ID card that will be implemented by all 50 States through their state driver license. It must be enacted by all 50 States by May 11, 2008.

Without your National ID, you will not be able to:

Board a airplane, train or bus
Enter any federal building
Drive a vehicle
Get a bank account
Hold a job
Although the Federal Government says it is volunatary for the States to enact, if a State refuses to implement the Real ID they lose all Federal Funding. So, it is really voluntary, isn't it? What State will give up the millions of dollars each year they receive in Federal funding?

While the specifics is not yet certain, you will be required to prove your citizenship with the following documents:

1. Birth Certificate
2. Social Security Card
3. Picture ID
4. Proof of physical address (NO P.O BOX)

Your new National ID will sport some new features also, such as your fingerprint and retina and/or facial scan along with a tracking device, such as an RFID chip.

The new National ID transforms every American into no more than an animal being tracked by their Government. That's right, you are the terrorist now. They need to know what you are up to.

For more information, you can check the following sites:

Real Nightmare (Opposing the Real ID - Founded by the ACLU)
/http://realnightmare.org/about/4/

The Actual Real ID Act
/http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:3:./temp/~c109dUgCvv::

So, what do you guys think about the National ID? Is it something you will line up to accept? Don't know about you, but there is no way I am letting the Government track my every move.

[studmonkey76]

This just sucks....Im sure Bush had something to do with this(other then signing it into law)...

[WyldCherry]

yep all due to the 9/11 thing

[Twostep]

All this will accomplish is more hassle for an honest American citizen, while not slowing a genuine terrorist one iota. Typical government wretched excess. Bush ain't the first, and won't be the last.

A 30 foot wall from San Diego to Miami would cost a lot less in the long run and would be infinitely more effective. And the Mexican government might try not fucking their own citizens to tears while they're at it, and maybe they'd consider staying home. Can't blame the citizenry for wanting to improve their living conditions. Who wants to live in Mexico, one of the most corrupt countries on the planet, like a damned animal, and make MAYBE 5 bucks a day?

[smilingjack]

That will be treat just the recent of the laws, ignored

the caught illegals, on the way to deporting them the pay for this kids to have a eructation, par for the DR Bil and give the food stamps and make sure the pay for a place to live.......... and bu the way the never get deported

They should of been deported instead of the shit

[gator50]

One step closer in setting up one world government by our pseudo christian president for the beast as referred to in revelations.
you might want to look at this www. spp.gov and click on upper left link. Settin up the country of north america. canada, us and mexico ...one country.

[smilingjack]

well we might as well make Mexico the next state,

all the Mexicans are here all ready

and all the beaching property we woulds gain

[fubr]

I have decide to stay out of political threads :)

[JT]

What about folks who are off the grid? Those that use a cell phone, produce most of their own power and the USPS does not deliver to their house. A lot of retired folks live out of their RV. The best we can hope for is that making this actually happen will be so rediculously difficult to force us all into. Why don't they just require us all to go to the doc and get a pit tag so every door we walk through they'll immediately know who we are? It works for pets and other biological experiments. The term facism comes to mind when confronted with this type of bullshit.

[mentle]

This is a sign that the country is coming closer and closer to become a communist country. I have read that in all communist countries the residents must at all times carry their National ID.

[wasup]

Nothing to worry about, just Globalist carrying out their plan to control the world and depopulate the earth.

Sure doesn't take us long to forget.

[Bandit5906]

I'm for anything the ACLU is against!A National ID can't be a Communist thing or the ACLU would be in favor of it!

[skyfox]

Hmmmm. REAL ID. this makes me think of a old 1942 German movie. ( no disrespect to any nation or religion) I wonder who will save the US from it self. It’s all about total control. But with the elution that you life a democratic society. But you really don't as your being stripped off all of you human right and the blanket is thrown over you with the best excuse yet 911.

One question for the creators of REAL ID how will you handle the travels tourist?. What happened to the Geneva convention.

[mruk69]

"US government sux" really find me a fucking government that doesn't.

Oh, one more thing I bet any of the anti Bush comments are giving JT a hard on. LMAO

[org]

this ID card has nothing to do with 911.911 just makes another excuse for bush and his right wing consperitors.This country is not free.More suffering is being purpertrated on the american people every day.
Look at Holland.Less hipocracy,bigitry.People are alowed to live the way they want.Much closer to freedom than north america.
Result is happier people.

[skyfox]

Hello please read theinfo in this link and tell me what you think.

hxxp://www.fourwinds10.com/

[Bandit5906]

this ID card has nothing to do with 911.911 just makes another excuse for bush and his right wing consperitors.This country is not free.More suffering is being purpertrated on the american people every day.
Look at Holland.Less hipocracy,bigitry.People are alowed to live the way they want.Much closer to freedom than north america.
Result is happier people.

Yeah! Right! America is still the greatest country in the world, barr none! Live in Holland (Don't make any movies though)! To those who would suggest anything different: go live in your place of choice and let us know just how good it is there.

I've traveled far and wide and America is my home (of course I do still enjoy the Bahamas and vacation there three or four times a year in Freeport).

[JT]

In terms of economy and quality of living, America is no longer the best country in the world. There are other nations enjoying a higher standard of living, better health care, more respect for their neighbors and greater value of thier 'dollar'. You guys that preach America is the best and always will be need to visit some other nations. Swedish citizens enjoy the highest standard of living on the planet now days and the Netherlands isn't far behind and a couple other Western European nations aren't far behind. Their 'dollar' is worth more and they have more freedoms/less oppression from their governments. It's flaky to do it, but since my rep is already trashed, here's a quote from some song lyrics....

"I used to think that only America's way, way was right. But now the holy dollar rules everybodies lives. Who do you trust when everyone's a crook? There's a revolution calling you." -Jeff Tate

[org]

Theres no way to post answers to their articales.

[org]

Well Bandit I admire your hacking abilities,I still have a lot to learn,but I,ve been in the political thing since 1968.
1973 when nixon murdered 4 people to test the waters and hippies turned into yuppies because he was using real bullets.
Now bush stole an election and wants the rest of the world to follow his flute.
NO TWO PEOPLE ARE THE SAME.THEY DON'T THINK THE SAME THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE THE SAME.
Theres only one criteria that should apply.LIVE AND LET LIVE IN PIECE.
But seems this will never happen.People are to self centered,hipicritacal,bigetted,gready just really getting started but I stop.

[org]

In terms of economy and quality of living, America is no longer the best country in the world. There are other nations enjoying a higher standard of living, better health care, more respect for their neighbors and greater value of thier 'dollar'. You guys that preach America is the best and always will be need to visit some other nations. Swedish citizens enjoy the highest standard of living on the planet now days and the Netherlands isn't far behind and a couple other Western European nations aren't far behind. Their 'dollar' is worth more and they have more freedoms/less oppression from their governments. It's flaky to do it, but since my rep is already trashed, here's a quote from some song lyrics....

"I used to think that only America's way, way was right. But now the holy dollar rules everybodies lives. Who do you trust when everyone's a crook? There's a revolution calling you." -Jeff Tate....Yes JT last I heard usa was ranked 8.

[alsouthster]

[quote=Bandit5906]I'm for anything the ACLU is against!]

hee haw pollitics gotta love it :)

uhhhhhh Bandit, actually the ACLU is FOR many things
i.e.
freedom of speech
the right to privacy
due process
seperation of church and state
and so on....
you down with em on that?

curious to know what it is that you percieve that the ACLU is AGAINSt that you
are FOR????
caveat: I am a Canadian and we don't got an ACLU up here, not really, wish we did :)

[alsouthster]

To put it another way, one of the proudest moments of the AcLU is when they defended the right of a bunch of Nazis to goosestep through town
The same way they would defend the right of a bunch of rednecks to stomp through a gay village telling all the democrats and fags to fuck off
for example :)
freedom of speech man

[alsouthster]

In other other other words,
the first amendment is one of the best things you guys got going
you should be VIGILANT in protecting it (no matter what side of the political coin you are on)
I believe it may even cover my right to sue (somebody!) if the public fix goes down and the private fix doesn't hahaha

[org]

"i Used To Care But Things Have Changed"....bob Dylan....

[Twostep]

I believe it may even cover my right to sue (somebody!) if the public fix goes down and the private fix doesn't
Don't worry for a second, Alsouthster - if the ACLU hears of this, your lawsuit will be a done deal...:rolleyes:

The ACLU's shining moment was defending a bunch of Nazis parading through an American city, eh? Do you have even the slightest idea of how many Jewish descendents of Holocaust families either were or would have been offended by this?

How many times does it need to be said - just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD...the folks who penned the US Constitution had no intention - or no earthly idea - that the first amendment would be twisted and convoluted by every radical fringe group, bombthrowing liberal and free speech fanatic to the point of which it doesn't even slightly resemble its original form.

Nor did they envision that the powerful (and they are powerful, with a virtual army of lawyers and billions of dollars at their disposal) ACLU would effectively eliminate God from the American map, not just keep the Government from trying to dictate religion to its citizenry....which, of course, has been the all-encompassing goal of the ACLU for years.

It's real easy to tell all you conspiracy-theory loonies to just leave America if you think it's that damn bad....but there's no other effective way to put it. If you want to burn the flag, wrap yourself up with it and burn away. If you're convinced the government staged 9/11, they're turning us into a communist state, etc..there ain't no nice way to put it, folks..get the fuck out of here, period.:mad:

[boobookitty]

I dont understand why the mexicans are coming across the boarder any way all the american jobs are moving there. Unless its service oriented. All the car makers are to greedy with there profit margins look at the oriental cars that they are making in the states now if GM ,Ford , Chystler would just try to make a modest profit instead of a fortune off one car then many amercans would still have good paying jobs. That is why if there is a chance everybody should be in a union. Build a better america by americans. How many steal mills are in the states now? If there is a magor war how will america make tanks and other war machines? Oh I know just go to walmart and buy 20,000 hummers 10,000 tanks for there every day low price. I could go on for ever about this. Its not just the mexicans taking jobs it's also the non union scabs that dont want heatlth care or a retirement.

[alsouthster]

[quote=Twostep]
Do you have even the slightest idea of how many Jewish descendents of Holocaust families either were or would have been offended by this? "

Yup, got lots of an idea, got a jewish wife...with horrible stories from her parents..
but stopping Nazi fools from marching ain't gonna make those stories go away


"ACLU would effectively eliminate God from the American map"

Don't want "god" eliminated from map....

Would like "god" eliminated from the realm of friggin REALITY, but seeing as that is unlikley to happen...sigh...

....rest assured me and the ACLU will defend your right to propagate your fantasies because, well, we know they mean a lot to you

Just don't start telling me what to do based on what your "god" is telling you

Not just talking about your god, Twostep, but all god(s), from Zeus down to L. Ron Hubbard

[pocchia]

National I.D. O.K. by me Bring it on, it will be another industry for someone to hack and make a profit on it. My thoughts on the ACLU and its lawyers is put them in a boat with the rest of the P.C. liberals out in the middle of the pacific and sink it for a start.

[bjw934]

the mark of the beast you decied lol that would realy suck!!!!!!

[smilingjack]

National I.D. O.K. by me Bring it on, it will be another industry for someone to hack and make a profit on it. My thoughts on the ACLU and its lawyers is put them in a boat with the rest of the P.C. liberals out in the middle of the pacific and sink it for a start.


HHAHAHAH

No telling what a computer can do.
Green cards, d
Divers license,
National I. D. cards
Dish cards

aways a way to make some money

[Twostep]

Just don't start telling me what to do based on what your "god" is telling you
I won't, don't worry, this ain't a religious discussion thread. I'll reap what I sow, and so will you, pal...whatever that may be.

Doesn't change the facts - the ACLU has morphed into the single most dangerous anti-American secular hate group in existence. I have serious doubts if they'd support my fantasies....being as I'm not an athiest, scientologist, rapist, drug dealer, serial killer, Gitmo detainee or a senior Al Queda member.

[alsouthster]

Wasn't worried too much about YOU, Twostep, telling me what to do

Was more worried about the religous fools in govt and positions of power, who are deciding policy based upon their insane superstitions.

I will give just one example

• The morons who are pushing abstinence in Africa and are refusing to make condoms accessible to the people....based on some sort of preposterous religious/moral Christian belief
....which defeats, absolutely, the Bush govt's admirable attempt to fight HIV on the continent
millions will die as a result

[smilingjack]

Some body has to keep the bag on the Church goes or well be kneeling down on mates 5 times a day

the ACLU has morphed into the single most dangerous anti-American secular hate group in existence

[fubr]

I won't, don't worry, this ain't a religious discussion thread. I'll reap what I sow, and so will you, pal...whatever that may be.

Doesn't change the facts - the ACLU has morphed into the single most dangerous anti-American secular hate group in existence. I have serious doubts if they'd support my fantasies....being as I'm not an athiest, scientologist, rapist, drug dealer, serial killer, Gitmo detainee or a senior Al Queda member.
You forgot queer and baby killer and if I have not decided to stay out of political threads I would have reminded you :D



OK let me make my disclaimer: If a person chooses to likes slinging mud better than real sex then OK. BUT damn if I should have to see it or stand next to a gay in a public restroom !! Would be like me taking a shit in the ladies room. Right.
point two: yes some women needs to have abortions for medical reason, the rest tuff shit, be a momma, same goes for the dads. If you cant accept the responsibility of parent hood put a raincoat on or live with it.

[alsouthster]

p.s. The seeds I sow are mainly for "roses"

Unfortunatley this weekend some friggin creature, I suspect a groundhog, ate the entire "rose" crop!

It's really a shame cuz these were second generation "roses" that had evolved (apologies if that word offends) from the seeds from the previous crop. They might have grown to be 10 feet tall!!

Honestly, seeing that empty "rose" patch, with the gnawed-off stems, is the closest I have come to crying in years

Figure next year I gotta lay down some chicken wire fence or something, though I am not sure even that will keep em out! I know how to keep out deer.... and rabbits are not a problem....but, man, burrowing animals, frigging nuisance.

If anyone knows a real good way to defend "roses" from rodent-style predators, pls lemme know
sorry to hyjack the thread

[Bandit5906]

[quote=Bandit5906]I'm for anything the ACLU is against!]

hee haw pollitics gotta love it :)

uhhhhhh Bandit, actually the ACLU is FOR many things
i.e.
freedom of speech
the right to privacy
due process
seperation of church and state
and so on....
you down with em on that?

curious to know what it is that you percieve that the ACLU is AGAINSt that you
are FOR????
caveat: I am a Canadian and we don't got an ACLU up here, not really, wish we did :)

Maybe you need to do some reading up in The Great White about the ACLU. They are a cancer here. They are not for free speech, the Constitution says nothing about "separation of Church and State", only their "due process" counts. I am completely down with the ACLU!

The ACLU is against everything American. Read up!

[alsouthster]

Okay...will go read some more
If people whose opinions I respect in other areas hate the aCLU so frigging much, could be I'm missing part of the picture.

btw, didn't mean to insult anyone's personal religious beliefs, sorry if I did. Got lots of believers (of various sects) among family and friends. I might be an atheist liberal libertarian, if such a thing can be said to exist, but a Bible doesn't burn in my hand. Can even quote (or misquote) scripture if pressed.
But religion mixing w/ govt seems like an idea that can go very wrong. From the Taliban to the extreme End Days Christian fundamentalists.
And the ACLU seems to outspoken against that.
but yea will go read some more to challenge my assumptions, sure not the first time been told to do that here ;)

[DSSPROXY]

C/P


On May 11, 2005, Congress passed the Real ID Act that was later signed into law by President Bush. The Real ID Act creates the first ever National ID card that will be implemented by all 50 States through their state driver license. It must be enacted by all 50 States by May 11, 2008.

Without your National ID, you will not be able to:
Board a airplane, train or bus
Enter any federal building
Drive a vehicle
Get a bank account
Hold a jobAlthough the Federal Government says it is volunatary for the States to enact, if a State refuses to implement the Real ID they lose all Federal Funding. So, it is really voluntary, isn't it? What State will give up the millions of dollars each year they receive in Federal funding?

While the specifics is not yet certain, you will be required to prove your citizenship with the following documents:

1. Birth Certificate
2. Social Security Card
3. Picture ID
4. Proof of physical address (NO P.O BOX)

Your new National ID will sport some new features also, such as your fingerprint and retina and/or facial scan along with a tracking device, such as an RFID chip.

The new National ID transforms every American into no more than an animal being tracked by their Government. That's right, you are the terrorist now. They need to know what you are up to.

For more information, you can check the following sites:

Real Nightmare (Opposing the Real ID - Founded by the ACLU)
/http://realnightmare.org/about/4/

The Actual Real ID Act
/http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:3:./temp/~c109dUgCvv::

So, what do you guys think about the National ID? Is it something you will line up to accept? Don't know about you, but there is no way I am letting the Government track my every move.


I read htrough this and other documents, most of us already have theses cards, the states that are considered "compact states" meet or exceed the national ID. This law is mostly designed to make it harder for illegals to get a licence, job, welfare. I live in a compact state. No RFID chip, a simple bar code that can be scanned. They also say that once this is implemented it will reduce total welfare spending 2%. There was nothing in this bill requiring a eye scan or even your fingerprint. A digital picture was the standard, and will still be the standard. I use to live in Oregon and my first DL had no picture, can you imagine if that was the case everywhere? This can only combat fraud and illegals(who may be terrorists). Just my 2cents.

[Bandit5906]

Okay...will go read some more
If people whose opinions I respect in other areas hate the aCLU so frigging much, could be I'm missing part of the picture.
btw, didn't mean to insult anyone's personal religious beliefs, sorry if I did. Got lots of believers (of various sects) among family and friends. I might be an atheist liberal libertarian, if such a thing can be said to exist, but a Bible doesn't burn in my hand. Can even quote (or misquote) scripture if pressed.
But religion mixing w/ govt seems like an idea that can go very wrong. From the Taliban to the extreme End Days Christian fundamentalists.
And the ACLU seems to outspoken against that.
but yea will go read some more to challenge my assumptions, sure not the first time been told to do that here ;)
Rather than waste bandwidth; PM me and I will clue you in as to what the ACLU really does.
I am a happy person who does not hate at all, but my feelings about the ACLU come close to my feelings about Radical Islam. I do not care for them at all and lump them in the same bucket! Just my opinion but I stand by it!

BTW: If you think that America has lost it's way or we have given up presonal freedoms in this War on Terror you need to know what happened during WW II. Unless you were born American you could not even own or have a radio! You could not drive a car! All you mail was opened and read. You were not allowed a bank account with more than $100.00 in it. No gold, or other jewelery!

This is a real war with real evil. Can you imagine if we cut the head off of some Radical Islam? The ACLU worries about how we treat captives, but give a free passs to those who set out to kill and do kill innocents! WASSUP with that?

[alsouthster]

Ok Bandit, will do
but if I start posting "What is the best gun to buy?" in the Potpourri forum and asking for recipes for squirrel, you're gonna be held responsible :)

[org]

p.s. The seeds I sow are mainly for "roses"

Unfortunatley this weekend some friggin creature, I suspect a groundhog, ate the entire "rose" crop!

It's really a shame cuz these were second generation "roses" that had evolved (apologies if that word offends) from the seeds from the previous crop. They might have grown to be 10 feet tall!!

Honestly, seeing that empty "rose" patch, with the gnawed-off stems, is the closest I have come to crying in years

Figure next year I gotta lay down some chicken wire fence or something, though I am not sure even that will keep em out! I know how to keep out deer.... and rabbits are not a problem....but, man, burrowing animals, frigging nuisance.

If anyone knows a real good way to defend "roses" from rodent-style predators, pls lemme know
sorry to hyjack the thread....Only way I beet the ground hogs was to build a 5 ft . high fence AND BERRY BOTTOM EDGE OF IT 2FT. BELOW THE GROUND AND FILL BACK IN WITH ROCKS.Do yard perimiter if you can.BEEN WORKING ON EVERYTHING FOR 3 YEARS,EXEPT MICE AND BIRDS.

[Bandit5906]

I've raised orphaned Woodchucks and never had a problem with them eating roses. They did have a fondness for garden vegtables though. There were prolly 40 of them within a five acre area around the house and horse barn.

[alsouthster]

Wasn't actually growing roses, was growing "roses"
that was CODE lol
Actual info was encrypted via use of ironic quotation marks!

Got real roses too, and yeah nothing's eating them except for bugs

As for "roses" yup same creature that ate them also helped itself to the vegetables....not sure of diference between groundhog and woodchuck...got river otter and beaver too... and moles and voles etc...too many suspects haha

Anway, all just for fun, not a cash crop lol ...next year will try rocks and fence

[Twostep]

Ok Bandit, will do
but if I start posting "What is the best gun to buy?" in the Potpourri forum and asking for recipes for squirrel, you're gonna be held responsible :)


Hehehehehe, that's funny right there............:p
Hell, Southster, I take back any insults I might have aimed your way:)

As for the ACLU, one must look past what appears to be a sensible agenda (Government SHOULDN'T be dictating anything religious)....and take a good look at what they're really trying to accomplish. This isn't a group that's steadfastedly trying to uphold the principles of the Constitution. If that were the case, they'd have my complete support, as I'm a pretty big believer in constitutional principles.

This is a hate group, every bit as dedicated as the Aryan Nation, and with about 5000 times as much clout, hellbent on turning America into a total secularist society, PERIOD. Do your reading, and do it with an open mind...you'll see.

And as I said earlier, if you prefer being an athiest liberal, the Constitution gave you that priviledge, and you'll either prosper or suffer as a result. I didn't choose that path, and I'm a sonofabitch if I'll allow the ACLU or anyone else to force it on me - just as you wouldn't allow anyone to force something on you that you chose not to believe. It really is that simple....:)

Water them 'roses', now....:D

[BigPappi]

For all those that say the US gov sucks???? we could be in Iraq, or even in Isreal right now where the bombings are going on. No we do not have the best of governments, and believe me I do not like most things they do but unless you are here and vote for them you should not complain....The world is gonna end soon anyways so there will be no Government. For any of you who are Christian you know what I speak of, all the rest should try reading the books of Daniel and Revelations in the Bible. Everything is comming to past.

[alsouthster]

if you prefer being an athiest liberal

Atheist liberal libertarian, thank you very much.

Hey Twostep we're arguing in two different threads right now...that's what America is all about right ;)
though I suspect we should probably make way for news of the FTA fix haha

But yeah I have been doing some reading about the ACLU...and will do some more. I still am unclear as to why you guys hate them so much AND think they are a hate group.

I think you think that they are trying to stamp out religion....
whereas I think they are trying to keep religion out of the realm of public policy....I am starting to suspect that whether you like ACLU or not depends a good deal on your opinion on the place of religion in govt.
but like I said, willing to challenge my assumptions

btw, personally never had a problem saying the Lord's prayer in school. that seems a ludicrous thing to fight over. IN fact, my first, and last, words on stage, in Lutheran kindergarden, were "I love the baby Jesus and I know he loves us too"
and as you can see, I turned out allright lol

teaching Intelligent Design as a science, however, different kettle of fish...;)

[JT]

Hehehehehe, that's funny right there............:p
Hell, Southster, I take back any insults I might have aimed your way:)

As for the ACLU, one must look past what appears to be a sensible agenda (Government SHOULDN'T be dictating anything religious)....and take a good look at what they're really trying to accomplish. This isn't a group that's steadfastedly trying to uphold the principles of the Constitution. If that were the case, they'd have my complete support, as I'm a pretty big believer in constitutional principles.

This is a hate group, every bit as dedicated as the Aryan Nation, and with about 5000 times as much clout, hellbent on turning America into a total secularist society, PERIOD. Do your reading, and do it with an open mind...you'll see.

And as I said earlier, if you prefer being an athiest liberal, the Constitution gave you that priviledge, and you'll either prosper or suffer as a result. I didn't choose that path, and I'm a sonofabitch if I'll allow the ACLU or anyone else to force it on me - just as you wouldn't allow anyone to force something on you that you chose not to believe. It really is that simple....:)

Water them 'roses', now....:D


've talked about this stuff quite a bit with Twostep off and on for years. No matter what side of the coin your on this is a good man and deserves a tremendous amount of respect. Anyone who knows him would agree. I'm gonna have to tell you though, Twostep your're REALLY frick'n stretching it to call the ACLU equally hateful or as wacky as the Aryan Nations. I don't recall the ACLU ever promoting murder or the genocide of an entire race at any time in their history, as we all the know the Aryan Nations have. ;) Like the ACLU or not, that comparison is pretty far out there. It very well could be you might need to think about the topic with a little bit more of an open mind this time around.

So heres's a little inside juice on the guy just for perspective. He's a dedicated Bill O'Rielly viewer.:eek: He might even like Ann Coulter too.....:p

[Twostep]

Appreciate the respect, JT, and perhaps I should have used a different choice of words. If you'll reread that one sentence, however, you'll see I used the words "DEDICATED AS", meaning, as I meant to convey, every bit as sincere in their desire to ouster Christianity as the Aryan Nation is as sincere in their desire to ouster certain races they feel are inferior to themselves.

Make sense ? I hope so; of course, it isn't fair to make a direct comparison between the two organizations. How about let's use PETA instead as a representative nutjob outfit?:D

I like O'Reilly, even when he's ripping a conservative (which he will do if he thinks said conservative has it coming)...I just like his style.
Ann Coulter? JT, you can get too much of a good thing, even money, sex, card fixes and conservative points of view. And Coulter is too much, period. She has no respect for ANYONE who doesn't think as she does, and that ain't me, bro.;)

[JT]

Ok, PETA being like the ACLU, I can get on that boat on some levels. Both organizations have lost sight of their roots and the ability to moderatately deal with their prospective causes. I do think the ACLU has a history of doing some really good work. (never cared for PETA at all though:eek:) That Aryan Nations thing kind of hit a nerve I guess. Glad to hear you don't like Ann Coulter too. She should be required by law to use a broom as her official ltransportation.:p

[playme1979]

I just wish JESUS ,ALLAH and WHOEVER ELSE would hurry up and swoop down and come and get u freaks on their magic carpets so us sensible people can have the earth back in one piece

[seaboard18]

What about folks who are off the grid? Those that use a cell phone, produce most of their own power and the USPS does not deliver to their house. A lot of retired folks live out of their RV. The best we can hope for is that making this actually happen will be so rediculously difficult to force us all into. Why don't they just require us all to go to the doc and get a pit tag so every door we walk through they'll immediately know who we are? It works for pets and other biological experiments. The term facism comes to mind when confronted with this type of bullshit.


Freedom comes with a high price. To stay free, the people must sacrifice some things that are highly valued, such as giving information to the government and accepting a national ID card, so that our leaders that we elect can continue to protect the freedom of all citizens.

On 9-11, free America changed forever. Richard M. Nixon warned of these events long ago and succeeding presidents failed to implement the changes needed to abort this action. Blame can't be placed on any one president or party for the actions that must be implemented now to secure freedom for the future.

Without positive leadership, the future is doomed, which means a leadership that is not wanted, which is a possibility if action is not continued towards a positive result. This is the New Age Of Freedom.

[playme1979]

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security DO NOT DESERVE EITHER"
Ben Franklin

[Bandit5906]

I could not agree more, playme.

Remember in WWII unless you were and American citizen (not naturalized either) you could not have/own a radio, a car, gold or silver.

During the Civil War the Right of Habius Corpus was eliminated by Persident Lincoln.

We live in dangerous times and there will be no way to diplomatically humor these animals.

[alsouthster]

Richard M. Nixon warned of these events long ago and succeeding presidents failed to implement the changes needed to abort this action.
Seaboard, do you think that Nixon might have had a chance to "implement the changes" had the ACLU not coerced the populace into impeaching him? :)

Btw, my preliminary ACLU research has aslo revealed that just 6 years before giving the hook to Tricky Dick, the ACLU also fought (succesfully) against state bans on interracial marriage.

Whoah.... let me just get this straight. Some of the states had it on the books, just a few decades ago, that people of different races were not allowed to marry?

What was up with that?! Does that have something to do with states rights haha? Where did the conservative (southern) right wing stand on this, dare I ask?

I am sure I will get to the part where the ACLU goes horribly awry soon.....;)

[Bandit5906]

Keep reading, but if you need some pm me and will fill your request. The amount of anti-American law suits is staggering. Hell... no just pm me!

[alsouthster]

Bandit I did pm you!
did you not get it?

Sent it again, lemme know if you go it

[seaboard18]

Nixon knew a great deal and he was a smart man. If he had not went crazy, things may have been different today.

[Bandit5906]

The problem with Islam would still be the same: they are every bit as bad as can be imagined, IMHO! Proof that Darwin was wrong.

[alsouthster]

Seaboard18....

Nixon knew a great deal

Agreed

and he was a smart man

Agreed

If he had not went crazy, things may have been different today

Agreed!
However, the non-crazy-Nixonian quasi-future that I imagine is probably different than yours ;)

[seaboard18]

The problem with Islam would still be the same: they are every bit as bad as can be imagined, IMHO! Proof that Darwin was wrong.

That is correct, Islam is the problem. Succeeding presidents failed to implement the changes needed to keep Islam in check and stay within the boundaries of their countries. The United States should never started relying on Islamic Nations for oil or allowing Arab immigrants to be allowed free access to the United States at all. The Middle East has never been mentally stable and giving them wealth has proven fatal for the citizens of the world as a whole.

Alsouthster and Bandit

Do You want to do a Nixon Thread?

[Twostep]

the non-crazy-Nixonian quasi-future that I imagine
I tried to imagine that once, Southster, and it scared the shit out of me:eek:

By the way, WTF is a non crazy Nixonian quasi future? A new P4 hack?:p

The ACLU, like modern-day labor unions, were conceived with good intentions and went to great lengths to protect the little guy and the common worker. Of course, said ACLU and said labor unions grew into multi-headed monsters, not unlike the political parties in America today. Unions are a major reason why a basic Chevy Impala costs over 25 grand and a 3 bedroom brick on the east coast is 400 large. And the ACLU is there to make damn sure the hapless manufacturer or developer can't do a damn thing about it.

I'd like to see the ACLU fight for interracial marriage today, especially if the couple happened to attend a Christian church. More likely, they'd be the ones serving coffee and donuts at a KKK rally.

I'll go for the Nixon thread:)

[seaboard18]

Well I hope Alsouthster will explain more about this.... non-crazy-Nixonian quasi-future. He needs to start the thread. Your post was excellent Twostep.

[smilingjack]

"I am not a thief" hahaha you could have picked a better sponsor.

What about the J. Eager Hoovers, oops have said the same the but womans dresses.

I believe the ACLU the were conceived with good intentions and went to great lengths to protect the little guy and the common worker,

But have gone to big and better things, like most lawyers, famous cases and left the Little guy behind

[alsouthster]

I'm in for the Nixon thread ...
I suggest though that you start it Seaboard :)

[seaboard18]

OK, look for it in a couple of days. "What If .... Richard M. Nixon was President Today" What would be different?

[JT]

Nixon knew a great deal and he was a smart man. If he had not went crazy, things may have been different today.

Nixon didn't go crazy per se. He just got caught doing to Democratic national headquarters what Bush/Cheney are doing to the entire nation. :D

[smilingjack]

HAHAHa

When were the last president throw out of office ?

Tricky Dickie was not Even a good thief

[playme1979]

dear koresh, you all are crazy bringing trickie dick into this i figured some of the right wingers would bring up clinton since they still havent gotten off his cock. Im mean with rush limbaugh ( some of you guys favorite radio personality) not being able to get off clintons cock for going on eight years now and all.

[smilingjack]

The go ahead get under the desk pimp

[seaboard18]

The go ahead get under the desk pimp

Continue Nixon Here.......

http://www.dssftp.com/forum/showthread.php?p=388092#post388092

[rg6a]

C/P


On May 11, 2005, Congress passed the Real ID Act that was later signed into law by President Bush. The Real ID Act creates the first ever National ID card that will be implemented by all 50 States through their state driver license. It must be enacted by all 50 States by May 11, 2008.

Without your National ID, you will not be able to:
Board a airplane, train or bus
Enter any federal building
Drive a vehicle
Get a bank account
Hold a jobAlthough the Federal Government says it is volunatary for the States to enact, if a State refuses to implement the Real ID they lose all Federal Funding. So, it is really voluntary, isn't it? What State will give up the millions of dollars each year they receive in Federal funding?

While the specifics is not yet certain, you will be required to prove your citizenship with the following documents:

1. Birth Certificate
2. Social Security Card
3. Picture ID
4. Proof of physical address (NO P.O BOX)

Your new National ID will sport some new features also, such as your fingerprint and retina and/or facial scan along with a tracking device, such as an RFID chip.

The new National ID transforms every American into no more than an animal being tracked by their Government. That's right, you are the terrorist now. They need to know what you are up to.

For more information, you can check the following sites:

Real Nightmare (Opposing the Real ID - Founded by the ACLU)
/http://realnightmare.org/about/4/

The Actual Real ID Act
/http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:3:./temp/~c109dUgCvv::

So, what do you guys think about the National ID? Is it something you will line up to accept? Don't know about you, but there is no way I am letting the Government track my every move.

Well it's July 06 and nothing so far. I agree with a one card solution...but I'm in Canada.

Drivers' License, Health Card, Birth Certificate, even a two part Passport, fine with me. Should be an across the board North American Solution and let's get Dave to provide the Smartcards & Security. ;-)

I'd also toss in some biometrics (iris scan) that could be authenticated on the card, better safe than sorry.

We're in a strange new world with these Muslim exremists. Best bet is to NUKE them, we have enough shit on our collective plates without having to worry about buses and subways exploding in our backyards.

Too bad the Shuttle returned today, franky it could of Fried the Sat that Al Jeerzarah is using!!

(spelling optional on the above)

[desertfox484]

Well it's July 06 and nothing so far. I agree with a one card solution...but I'm in Canada.

Drivers' License, Health Card, Birth Certificate, even a two part Passport, fine with me. Should be an across the board North American Solution and let's get Dave to provide the Smartcards & Security. ;-)

I'd also toss in some biometrics (iris scan) that could be authenticated on the card, better safe than sorry.

We're in a strange new world with these Muslim exremists. Best bet is to NUKE them, we have enough shit on our collective plates without having to worry about buses and subways exploding in our backyards.

Too bad the Shuttle returned today, franky it could of Fried the Sat that Al Jeerzarah is using!!

(spelling optional on the above)

You are quite a (SMART FELLOW) ?????

[rg6a]

"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security DO NOT DESERVE EITHER"
Ben Franklin

How about what's on New Hampshire Licence Plates....and agree with that.
Thing is (haven't done a proper Search to verify the Quote is correct) We live in a different World today.

Canada & the U.S.A. have around 3 Million Muslims, France has at least that and Germany about half. Our Open Door Policy allowed these People in and frankly say only 1% are a problem, well that's a helluva problem.

The Muslim Community has been deafeningly Silent, during all this Shit and let's go back to 9/11.

DEPORT all of Them, we don't need enemies that live amongst us. Strong Talk.....so let them Police their community and root out extremists!!

OK, I have your Attention. Harsh but We opened the doors and invited them but you're now either an American or Canadian now. Want to keep the 'old country' habits and customs.....Fine Go Back!

[smilingjack]

hahaha The Real ID Act keeps everyone of the police agree so busy the the rarely crooks con get away withe modester and the bus and cruise ships will be leased with the government for years to cam transporting the illegal aliens beck the there Right community.

[desertfox484]

How about what's on New Hampshire Licence Plates....and agree with that.
Thing is (haven't done a proper Search to verify the Quote is correct) We live in a different World today.

Canada & the U.S.A. have around 3 Million Muslims, France has at least that and Germany about half. Our Open Door Policy allowed these People in and frankly say only 1% are a problem, well that's a helluva problem.

The Muslim Community has been deafeningly Silent, during all this Shit and let's go back to 9/11.

DEPORT all of Them, we don't need enemies that live amongst us. Strong Talk.....so let them Police their community and root out extremists!!

OK, I have your Attention. Harsh but We opened the doors and invited them but you're now either an American or Canadian now. Want to keep the 'old country' habits and customs.....Fine Go Back!

What any one including the media should be asking is, why all this is happening, and what is the roots of all these problems. And I am sorry I didn't mean to be harsh , I had a couple of Black Russian drinks and they are talking.

[org]

Since nixon murered 4 people at kent state and got away with it why even bring him up?

[Bandit5906]

Since nixon murered 4 people at kent state and got away with it why even bring him up?

I don't remember Nixon even being there. Time to take your meds!

[seaboard18]

Well, the communist element was rampant back then and the government was spooked. Governor James A. Rhodes ordered the National Guard to Kent State to eradicate the communist element on that campus. These were trying times for Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger. However, I think that some students at Kent State were lead towards communism by faculty members that opposed the war.

[smilingjack]

Four college student were killed protest as against a war the whole college was against,

NO I don't thank the were communist, the justed wanted to in the protest,

[seaboard18]

Four college student were killed protest as against a war the whole college was against,
NO I don't thank the were communist, the justed wanted to in the protest,

Nixon's statement that Kent State ''should remind us all once again that when dissent turns to violence, it invites tragedy.''

[smilingjack]

hxxp://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/LEWIHEN.htm

The legal aftermath of the May 4 shootings ended in January of 1979 with an out-of-court settlement involving a statement signed by 28 defendants(3) as well as a monetary settlement, and the Guardsmen and their supporters view this as a final vindication of their position. The financial settlement provided $675,000 to the wounded students and the parents of the students who had been killed.



WHAT EVENTS LED DIRECTLY TO THE SHOOTINGS?

Shortly before noon, General Canterbury made the decision to order the demonstrators to disperse. A Kent State police officer standing by the Guard made an announcement using a bullhorn. When this had no effect, the officer was placed in a jeep along with several Guardsmen and driven across the Commons to tell the protestors that the rally was banned and that they must disperse. This was met with angry shouting and rocks, and the jeep retreated. Canterbury then ordered his men to load and lock their weapons, tear gas canisters were fired into the crowd around the Victory Bell, and the Guard began to march across the Commons to disperse the rally. The protestors moved up a steep hill, known as Blanket Hill, and then down the other side of the hill onto the Prentice Hall parking lot as well as an adjoining practice football field. Most of the Guardsmen followed the students directly and soon found themselves somewhat trapped on the practice football field because it was surrounded by a fence. Yelling and rock throwing reached a peak as the Guard remained on the field for about ten minutes. Several Guardsmen could be seen huddling together, and some Guardsmen knelt and pointed their guns, but no weapons were shot at this time. The Guard then began retracing their steps from the practice football field back up Blanket Hill. As they arrived at the top of the hill, twenty-eight of the more than seventy Guardsmen turned suddenly and fired their rifles and pistols. Many guardsmen fired into the air or the ground. However, a small portion fired directly into the crowd. Altogether between 61 and 67 shots were fired in a 13 second period.

HOW MANY DEATHS AND INJURIES OCCURRED?

Four Kent State students died as a result of the firing by the Guard. The closest student was Jeffrey Miller, who was shot in the mouth while standing in an access road leading into the Prentice Hall parking lot, a distance of approximately 270 feet from the Guard. Allison Krause was in the Prentice Hall parking lot; she was 330 feet from the Guardsmen and was shot in the left side of her body. William Schroeder was 390 feet from the Guard in the Prentice Hall parking lot when he was shot in the left side of his back. Sandra Scheuer was also about 390 feet from the Guard in the Prentice Hall parking lot when a bullet pierced the left front side of her neck.

Nine Kent State students were wounded in the 13 second fusillade. Most of the students were in the Prentice Hall parking lot, but a few were on the Blanket Hill area. Joseph Lewis was the student closest to the Guard at a distance of about sixty feet; he was standing still with his middle finger extended when bullets struck him in the right abdomen and left lower leg. Thomas Grace was also approximately 60 feet from the Guardsmen and was wounded in the left ankle. John Cleary was over 100 feet from the Guardsmen when he was hit in the upper left chest. Alan Canfora was 225 feet from the Guard and was struck in the right wrist. Dean Kahler was the most seriously wounded of the nine students. He was struck in the small of his back from approximately 300 feet and was permanently paralyzed from the waist down. Douglas Wrentmore was wounded in the right knee from a distance of 330 feet. James Russell was struck in the right thigh and right forehead at a distance of 375 feet. Robert Stamps was almost 500 feet from the line of fire when he was wounded in the right buttock. Donald Mackenzie was the student the farthest from the Guardsmen at a distance of almost 750 feet when he was hit in the neck.

[smilingjack]

THEY DIDN'T EVEN SHOOT AT PROTESTERS

"In May 1970, at Kent State University in Ohio, National Guardsmen confronted student antiwar protestors with a tear gas barrage. Soon afterward, with no provocation, soldiers opened fire into a group of fleeing students. Four young people were killed, shot in the back, including two women who had been walking to class." (Norton et al., 1994, p. 732) Unfortunately, this short description contains four factual errors: (1) some degree of provocation did exist; (2) the students were not fleeing when the Guard initially opened fire; (3) only one of the four students who died, William Schroeder, was shot in the back; and (4) one female student, Sandy Schreuer, had been walking to class, but the other female, Allison Krause, had been part of the demonstration


As they arrived at the top of the hill, twenty-eight of the more than seventy Guardsmen turned suddenly and fired their rifles and pistols. Many guardsmen fired into the air or the ground. However, a small portion fired directly into the crowd. Altogether between 61 and 67 shots were fired in a 13 second period.

A starkly different interpretation to that of the Guards' has been offered in numerous other studies of the shootings, with all of these analyses sharing the common viewpoint that primary responsibility for the shootings lies with the Guardsmen. Some authors (e.g., Stone, 1971; Davies, 1973; and Kelner and Munves, 1980) argue that the Guardsmen's lives were not in danger. Instead, these authors argue that the evidence shows that certain members of the Guard conspired on the practice football field to fire when they reached the top of Blanket Hill. Other authors (e.g., Best, 1981 and Payne, 1981) do not find sufficient evidence to accept the conspiracy theory, but they also do not find the Guard self-defense theory to be plausible. Experts who find the Guard primarily responsible find themselves in agreement with the conclusion of the Scranton Commission (Report , 1970, p. 87): "The indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."

[Twostep]

Since nixon murered 4 people at kent state and got away with it why even bring him up?

I heard Nixon left instructions for George W. Bush, right before he died, to hire a demolition crew to take down the WTC towers and make sure Al Queda got the blame. :rolleyes:

You conspiracy theorists crack me up.....

[fubr]

DAMN not reading this thread is killing me!!!!!
If I read any of it I would have to reply :(

[alsouthster]

the evidence shows that certain members of the Guard conspired on the practice football field to fire when they reached the top of Blanket Hill.

yes, as Otter said....Greg Marmalard, Doug Niedermayer and the rest of the Hitler youth...

[seaboard18]

The concluding verse, which opens by referring to death of Janis Joplin, thus, marking 1970, the last year of the decade, contains the lines:

And in the streets the children screamed, the lovers cried and the poets dreamed,
But not a word was spoken, the church bells all were broken.


McLean may have written these lines in response to the May 4, 1970, Ohio National Guard shootings at Kent State University that killed four and wounded nine unarmed people. One immediate aftermath of the shootings was captured by John Filo's Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of a fourteen-year old runaway, Mary Ann Vecchio, screaming over the body of the dead or dying student, Jeffrey Miller. The phrase "not a word was spoken" might refer to President Nixon's silence on the matter. Stanley Karnow noted in his Vietnam: A History that "The [Nixon] administration initially reacted to this event with wanton insensitivity. Nixon's press secretary, Ron Ziegler, whose statements were carefully programmed, referred to the deaths as a reminder that 'when dissent turns to violence, it invited tragedy.'" (Ziegler's reference to violence included the burning of the Kent State University ROTC Building by protesters on May 2.) While demonstrations against the shootings broke out in hundreds of college campuses across the United States, McLean may have felt that the students were on their own without leadership, as the "church bells" of the time, possibly the Chicago Seven, involved in leading the anti-war protests during the 1968 Democratic National Convention, were silenced. On February 20, 1970, five of the Chicago Seven were sentenced to five-year prison terms and fined $5000. (The judgments were reversed on appeal in November 1972.)

The broken church bells may also refer to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy who were opponents of the War. Both were assassinated in 1968.

hxxp://www.thetaxglossary.com/Als-to-Ana/american_pie.php