FTA is finally standing on it's own two feet.

[Crow 492]

They did it!

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Yes, it's true! VS got the full MAP and they did it themselves! Don't ask when. Don't ask how. The call came awhile ago, and I am not even allowed to discuss it. ALL sections are known! Engineers have to decrypt the info and write the routines, but I am promised a beta test file soon! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING TILL YOU SEE THE RELEASE!, But I fully expect it to be soon. I wish i could give our members here more info, but expect to have your tv back soon Stay tuned for more info .. Congrats Viewsat! :.

Edit: remember this post from 4 weeks ago?


Quote:
Originally Posted by thedssguy
Bev & DN have filed complaints to the FCC, CRTC & SEC about their signal piracy problem, and have been told to "tighten their sh*t up". This hash is only the first round of activity we will see from them. The hash (currently) is limited to a small portion of ROM right now. Same addresses are being hashed over and over. Many just inserted these values into their FTA's firmware to achieve a quick fix. This is just a bandaid fix. What happens when they start hashing larger areas of the ROM or EEPROM? Thats when we will seperate the men from the boys. The fixes that are out there aren't the same as TD, Dreambox or Viewsat. These 3 stand a better chance of surviving any changes in the way the sha-1 hash is calculated. The EMM decrypt patch that is now hard coded into the "others" will NOT. Plain & simple, there's less work required of these units. The 3 mentioned actually DO the decrpyt algo, and multiple possibilities exist for these to survive a change.To be effective in the future, units will HAVE to include a FULL 102 dump. Nobody expects a "fix" to last forever, but we don't want to be flashing our units every 3 hrs either. Only time will tell how pro-active Nagrastar will be, but Nagra is already responding. Changes to stream last nite & the night before are evident in logs. There was a temporary change to the order in which the the sha-1 hash is calculated, & was only seen on a couple of channels lasting for 4 or 5 iterations. Kudelski will continue to hash, and the STB's that aren't implementing a FULL 102 image will be going down as well as atmega & Rom10's.

Even the ones that are running a FULL image will have their work cut out for them. Now's the time we will see the brilliance of Kudelski. Kudelski (Nagrastar) can change at will, dynamically, & what I think that their next BIG ECM will be checking, is the CAM id, then the full map. The real fun begins when IRD ram gets hashed. For FTA CAM id is no prob, map is no prob (if you have the full ROM map), IRD ram, is gonna be tricky tho. The CAM will check for certain values in the IRD ram, for control word calculation. This will be the absolute biggest hurdle to overcome. Things will never be the same now as Nagra REALLY starts to combat piracy. We will see ups & downs, and what lies ahead is looking pretty nasty. I am not one for Doom & Gloom posts and you all know that, but I can truely say providers have been mandated to implement new tighter security measures and you will see a more proactive Nagrastar then we've seen previously.

This time we had some down time for the first time in awhile, some of these companies have good coders, most don't... Very soon we will see who has the inside track on Nagra2 and what lies ahead.. It's gonna get bumpy out there, I can tell you all that.. :
Stay tuned right here for all the latest news & files


The only way for people to be sure that this is NOT just hype is to make sure to warn them NOT to buy a VS unit (or any other FTA) Until the release is proven. This is a Break thru for all FTA

FTA is finally standing on it's own two feet. No card coders helped, no info was leaked, they did this the right way and did it themselves. Kudo's to the engineers that stayed the course and got it done. lets all hope for a speedy release (hopefully before the weekend).

I also want to give thanks & praise for the entire Dss-newbies crew for keeping the site up during the last 3 weeks of REALLY heavy traffic. Well done guys! Good job!

[Blades710]

wow looks good for now, we will wait and seeeeeeeeee........

[Crow 492]

More C & P You guys know..

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You guys know I wouldn't put my ass out there unless I was sure of the coming release. I have kept mods here updated on all progress being made on this hash and the work being done. Giver & others have stated all along that FTA has depended on card hacks, and the public info, or leaked info to stay up, and keep the $$ flowing. This time VS stepped up and did the work themselves (the way it should be). With the money & resources at their disposal, it needed to be done to ensure their future. Down side is, this will surely provoke more attacks and may even lead to a card swap much sooner. DN is testing an NDS solution as we speak, and it won't be as easy ever again.. Such is the price of progress for the free tv market.. I admit my role in pushing the industry to it's current proprtions that really leaves Nagrastar no choice.. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.. Still, it is a major victory for FTA.. We should see a release fairly soon.. Agreed, close this puppy if you want & wait for thr release..
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[lubedude]

I don't beleive it untill I see it:D

[mili]

Viewsat is an idiot. IF and IF there is a fix he leached bought it stole it form someone. And it won't last either.

mili

[mikepr]

Way to funny Mili...arnt we all stealing from someone everytime we turn our FTA or ROM 102 on???? So your calling all your buyers idiots???mmmmmmmm

[Satan]

I hope the FTA stays dead....plug and play shit is just that....shit.....LoL.. IF they did get the map call..and have a fix...wonder how long it will take dish to figure that one out and simply change it....LoL

[spanky macdouga]

I hope the FTA stays dead....plug and play shit is just that....shit.....LoL.. IF they did get the map call..and have a fix...wonder how long it will take dish to figure that one out and simply change it....LoL

Honest question here. If they actually have the map, wouldn't it be easier to change 'directions' on the bin because they already have map?

[mikepr]

Whats with some of you guys?????Why the hell do you post comments like that. Not once have I said..."I hope programmed 102 cards get looped and stay dead".. If you cant make any nice comments then shut the hell up..Seems like an aweful lot of sour grapes goin on here..I thought this forum was to help people and not make cricital or idiotic comments

[skinerd]

You can read it, you can hear it, BUT until you have your FTA receiver actually recieving DN programming, ALL OF IT.......I would remain skeptical, very skeptical.....

[MAXsat]

it's just ppl that spent a shit load of money on 102 programing and are pissed off that we didn't...comon guys can't we all get along?

[badger6]

These FTA guys are serious if nothing else. This is better than anything. To hell with the "fix", this whole thing is abut to turn into 3 ring feces flinging monkey circus. Sit back and enjoy. Everyone just remember, as of this minute there is no FIX.

[tkdusa]

Whats with some of you guys?????Why the hell do you post comments like that. Not once have I said..."I hope programmed 102 cards get looped and stay dead".. If you cant make any nice comments then shut the hell up..Seems like an aweful lot of sour grapes goin on here..I thought this forum was to help people and not make cricital or idiotic comments

hey man don't get worked up about this satan asshole, he is an ass trust me. don't sweat anything he says. I assume it is the "satan" that floats around everywhere

[mili]

Mr. Viewsat is an idiot not people who bought and have Viewsat. It is indeed cruel to say you hope all them people who invested their hard earned moneys into Viewsat recievers ought to be out of luck.

mili

[pgguru]

I may be wrong and Flame away if I deserve it but don't we owe the 102 hack to the FTA people that figured it out and passed it on?
And Building boats in a bottle is a hobby, we just steal TV.

[udntcme]

You can read it, you can hear it, BUT until you have your FTA receiver actually recieving DN programming, ALL OF IT.......I would remain skeptical, very skeptical.....

Bump^^^^^Bump^^^^^Bump^^^^^It will come for how long...???Plastic in grave danger too though.....because of fta....???? you make your own conclusion's.........all the best....

[scottymac]

Whats with some of you guys?????Why the hell do you post comments like that. Not once have I said..."I hope programmed 102 cards get looped and stay dead".. If you cant make any nice comments then shut the hell up..Seems like an aweful lot of sour grapes goin on here..I thought this forum was to help people and not make cricital or idiotic comments

FTA is doing to Charlie/Beverly what "the cube" did to Dave years ago. Instead of taking the hours and hours to read and absorb the way to get your "free TV", you simply buy a plug and play unit.

Dave/Bev/Charlie don't mind testers, but they hate freeTVrs.

[dRaNo]

Here's my take on the whole FTA situation.
This hobby is really about the almighty $, who's got their shit together and who doesn't, and coders stealing from other coders. There's really not a lot of money in selling software, it's selling hardware that makes you the bucks. First comes the OEM hacks aka your card fixes, big money is made on dealer only card fixes. Then comes the part where coders start fucking eachother. Some team dumps the dealer fix and starts cranking out freeware, the dealer fix drops in price or becomes worthless. Now anybody that wants to make any money has to come out with a new toy to sell. In comes your atmega, avr, arm, fta etc.. This puts hacks in the hands of a lot more people, now instead of just hacked cards to worry about, charlie's got to whip up an ECM that will knock out most or all of these devices without killing sub cards. Now in walks your ECM and you're back to square one, only thing that will get ya tv is OEM cards and IRD's. Sales of pirate devices drop to zip because nothing else works. Now only a fraction of the people are up and watching tv and charlie might kick his feet up for a while and lay off the ECM's. The FTA people have a lot to loose with no fix, so they get their programmers to make-code-steal a fix to get their units selling again. Now (for arguments sake I'll assume that the fta fix is valid) other makers of pirate devices will borrow/steal the coding that got fta back up to make their devices work (if they're capable in memory/cpu power). Now you got a few devices out that will get you TV, this will accomplish 2 things: 1. the price of plastic and other fixes will drop, 2. charlie will get pissed and start his ECM team to work more quickly and possibly provoke another card swap which in essence will fuck everyone out of TV. So who is really "in the wrong" for setting these events into motion?, is it the dealers who came out with the plastic fix, the people who stole the code and made it freeware, or the people making various pirate devices (atmega AVR fta etc..) Tough to say.

[alsouthster]

I would still like to know who the hell is this underground "Canadian Girl" who is supposedly the brains behind this supposed recent FTA operation (ps I read this on another forum, the source was Tomico)
be that as it may, we Canadians need more heroes
Go FTA! Go Canadian Girl! Go Canada!

[sundeval]

What is wrong with some of you guys who use plastic? You bash on fta people like we're second class citizens because we use an easier unit to get the same result in the end as you do. In all actuality, when fta is up and running, the end result is better because fta can get both bev and charlie on one receiver. I highly respect the fact that you people who use plastic invest so much time and money into your "testing" because it does take alot of effort and intelligence. I personally dont have the time nor the money to put into the hobby right now hence why im not watching charlie or bev right now. Yes i took the easy way out, nail me to a cross for it, I just cant keep ordering new hardware all the time to keep testing these providers right now, but if in the future thats all thats available, i will do it....until then, i wont. Truthfully, i hope you plastic users are up and running until the next card swap, i have no bias towards any means of testing, and i hope soon they have a fix for fta as well. Im actually looking into subbing with mili because football season is approaching and i want a more stable way of watching tv...(in know charlie doesnt offer NFL, im a college fan)

[sundeval]

I shouldnt forget this though, i do come to these sites alot and read as much as i can. I like to learn the different aspects of testing.....and from all the reading ive done, i respect what everyone does to get tv.

[mikepr]

I agree with Mili concerning the whole Mr.Viewsat situation. Is there an actual fix out there or not??? Maybe or maybe not. It seems hes 'stringest us along' . Hopefully there is, but it seems that MR. V.S has been saying its coming soon its coming soon for a while now. Why not just say nothing until its released???. And yeah mili I know you wouldnt wish harm on anyone, thanks for repeating that for all the people out there that might have the wrong ipression :)

Hopefully the Roms 102 and (maybe) FTA can ride this storm out together...Stay tune to another excting chapter of ...DAYS OF OUR LIVES......tomorrows episode icludes a dishnetowork coder going over the edge and passing on the secrets of the all mighty ROM 102...Stay tuned

[Tmac]

Whats with some of you guys?????Why the hell do you post comments like that. Not once have I said..."I hope programmed 102 cards get looped and stay dead".. If you cant make any nice comments then shut the hell up..Seems like an aweful lot of sour grapes goin on here..I thought this forum was to help people and not make cricital or idiotic comments

There are people who are not happy that FTA'ers got it so cheap and lasted so long. In essence....they are not happy unless you are putting money in their pocket. There is no real money to be made selling FTA receivers except for the manufacturer. That makes people angry they cannot squeeze a couple bucks out of you. Why would people want to see others who have FTA get burned? Cause they are gloom and doom retards. They are the people who would rather see a hearse in your driveway than a new cadillac.

Please.....if I surrounded myself with people like that I wouldn't be where I am today. T

[rg6a]

There are people who are not happy that FTA'ers got it so cheap and lasted so long. In essence....they are not happy unless you are putting money in their pocket. There is no real money to be made selling FTA receivers except for the manufacturer. That makes people angry they cannot squeeze a couple bucks out of you. Why would people want to see others who have FTA get burned? Cause they are gloom and doom retards. They are the people who would rather see a hearse in your driveway than a new cadillac.

Please.....if I surrounded myself with people like that I wouldn't be where I am today. T

You know diddly squat, the resellers of fta irds are all making their 20%+ and have no support headaches, now that's a lovely business model!

Also some Schmuck about five messages back credited FTA manufacturers with cracking the 101/102, shows how far his cranium is up his ass.

As for you being where you are today, spongeing Free TV, what can't afford to pay the $80/month Sub, since you're so 'where you are today'???

Pls keep away from your keyboard, since if I want to read a story and bullshit I'll got to the Library and take out a novel.

[mcarthur70]

i dont like fta people for one simple fact !!! the bog down the severs every dam nite when they go down asking and looking for a hack .. than we plastic people cant get on the site for a simple program we need to down load .. id like to see these people with the good old days with freetalk and typeing the full code in manually.. hell i dont watch tv that much its the challange you get with plastic that makes fta boreing.... FTA'ERS A GOOD WASTE OF BANDWIDTH !! MY 2 CENTS

[shopright]

Its very easy to fix drop support for fta and they go away.

[mikepr]

Hey Mcarthur me thinks you have your facts wrong about who is taking the bandwidth up...Take a look at all the latest posts..Most corncern programming ROM 102 cards (nothing wrong with that)....Get your facts right buddie before you do a withchunt on FTA people 4 out of 19 posts which is mmmmmmm 20 percent while the rom questions is at near mmmm 70-80 percent...Like I said basher get your frigging facts right

[fubr]

Here's my take on the whole FTA situation.
This hobby is really about the almighty $, who's got their shit together and who doesn't, and coders stealing from other coders. There's really not a lot of money in selling software, it's selling hardware that makes you the bucks. First comes the OEM hacks aka your card fixes, big money is made on dealer only card fixes. Then comes the part where coders start fucking eachother. Some team dumps the dealer fix and starts cranking out freeware, the dealer fix drops in price or becomes worthless. Now anybody that wants to make any money has to come out with a new toy to sell. In comes your atmega, avr, arm, fta etc.. This puts hacks in the hands of a lot more people, now instead of just hacked cards to worry about, charlie's got to whip up an ECM that will knock out most or all of these devices without killing sub cards. Now in walks your ECM and you're back to square one, only thing that will get ya tv is OEM cards and IRD's. Sales of pirate devices drop to zip because nothing else works. Now only a fraction of the people are up and watching tv and charlie might kick his feet up for a while and lay off the ECM's. The FTA people have a lot to loose with no fix, so they get their programmers to make-code-steal a fix to get their units selling again. Now (for arguments sake I'll assume that the fta fix is valid) other makers of pirate devices will borrow/steal the coding that got fta back up to make their devices work (if they're capable in memory/cpu power). Now you got a few devices out that will get you TV, this will accomplish 2 things: 1. the price of plastic and other fixes will drop, 2. charlie will get pissed and start his ECM team to work more quickly and possibly provoke another card swap which in essence will fuck everyone out of TV. So who is really "in the wrong" for setting these events into motion?, is it the dealers who came out with the plastic fix, the people who stole the code and made it freeware, or the people making various pirate devices (atmega AVR fta etc..) Tough to say.
Drano WTF! you been man?
Welcome back


I almost fired up mirc when I saw you posted

[mcarthur70]

its because you cry baby ftaers trying your shot at 102s lol thats why stfu

[skinerd]

Come on guys, let's not get personal....

Facts are facts, rom 102ers are watching DN and bev on TV, FTAers are not. That's the plain and painful truth for the FTAers, but if a hack is comming then every one wil be happy once again.

[dRaNo]

Drano WTF! you been man?
Welcome back
I almost fired up mirc when I saw you posted

What's up man. Long time no see. Lotta shit beenhappenin on my end here, death's in the family and other B.S. Good to see you been demoted to mod lol, congrats.

[badger6]

These FTA guys are serious if nothing else. This is better than anything. To hell with the "fix", this whole thing is abut to turn into 3 ring feces flinging monkey circus. Sit back and enjoy. Everyone just remember, as of this minute there is no FIX.

Ha, ha, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
This is good stuff.

[fubr]

Should be interesting weekend.
If Mr whatshissat has something. I dont know why he would post if he does not.

I dont know how long it would last if he does.
I am so unconcerned!!
A bud called me today, seems our local neighborhood crank head dumbass has been selling them FTA's even as late as last week, he thinks he is a dealer..... telling them to hang on fix coming any day now. He told them everything was down nothing working. My friend asked me why mine and his card still work :) I told him SHHHHH our little secret.. let them smoke thier shit and stare at a blank screen while jerking each other off.
really makes me want to call his ass out for ripping my old neighborhood off...

[Titus99]

What is wrong with some of you guys who use plastic? You bash on fta people like we're second class citizens because we use an easier unit to get the same result in the end as you do. In all actuality, when fta is up and running, the end result is better because fta can get both bev and charlie on one receiver. I highly respect the fact that you people who use plastic invest so much time and money into your "testing" because it does take alot of effort and intelligence. I personally dont have the time nor the money to put into the hobby right now hence why im not watching charlie or bev right now. Yes i took the easy way out, nail me to a cross for it, I just cant keep ordering new hardware all the time to keep testing these providers right now, but if in the future thats all thats available, i will do it....until then, i wont. Truthfully, i hope you plastic users are up and running until the next card swap, i have no bias towards any means of testing, and i hope soon they have a fix for fta as well. Im actually looking into subbing with mili because football season is approaching and i want a more stable way of watching tv...(in know charlie doesnt offer NFL, im a college fan)

Fta and plastic people are trying to accomplish different things in this "hobby". Fta people want an easy way to get free tv. I don't have a problem with that - it's their choice. Plastic people tend to have been "testing" for many years and love the aspect of learning how to counter what the service providers are doing. Plastic people definately spend more money to keep up with the changes and they usually have a minimum sub incase their card is down.

It's two different chains of thought to accomplish the same thing, except plastic is much more rewarding due to the process involved.

JMHO.

[Titus99]

Hey Mcarthur me thinks you have your facts wrong about who is taking the bandwidth up...Take a look at all the latest posts..Most corncern programming ROM 102 cards (nothing wrong with that)....Get your facts right buddie before you do a withchunt on FTA people 4 out of 19 posts which is mmmmmmm 20 percent while the rom questions is at near mmmm 70-80 percent...Like I said basher get your frigging facts right

Actually the posts regarding programming 102's is higher because fta people want to know how to program. I don't think it's a coincidence that the last three weeks there's been more activity in the programming/unlocking forums.

I should also say that other forms of emulation has caused this increase (but mosty fta).

[sundeval]

Fta and plastic people are trying to accomplish different things in this "hobby". Fta people want an easy way to get free tv. I don't have a problem with that - it's their choice. Plastic people tend to have been "testing" for many years and love the aspect of learning how to counter what the service providers are doing. Plastic people definately spend more money to keep up with the changes and they usually have a minimum sub incase their card is down.

It's two different chains of thought to accomplish the same thing, except plastic is much more rewarding due to the process involved.

JMHO.

Agreed, it is more rewarding, i myself was testing dave before he became unhackable. I learned alot then, and it felt rewarding when i figured something out and tested it properly. If things stay the way they are now, i'll be forced to join the rest of you in the plastic testing hobby.

[hlonipha]

just my 2 cents.....

How many people that call themself plastic testers actually write the blockers ? 1 percent maybe. All other always wait for penga to come out with one. what is the difference between the fta avr and plastic...... NONE UNLESS YOU ARE WRITTING THE ACTUAL CODE......

I watch tv with FTA , ATMEGA now plastic.

Stop fooling yourself guys...

Peace

[panthro]

Best post i have ever sean bar none.

ROFLMAO :D

hXXp://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/pl...php?id=1451314 (http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1451314)

[fifties]

Viewsat is an idiot. IF and IF there is a fix he leached bought it stole it form someone. And it won't last either.
mili
Sounds like sour grapes on your part, mili.

[mili]

Yes. I wish I was an FTA dealer.

mili

[hotslot]

drano ...
finally someone who undersatnds the economics of the market. everybody pissing and moaning plastic this fta that. i'm a plastic guy and i really want the fta guys back in the market. will it bring about a card swap? yes. but that will take time. without the fta guys, and if dish/bev believe they have really knocked out the fta market, they are free to just wait a bit till all the fta guys have driven the 102/103 prices through the roof and caused a supply problem (remember there are only X amount of cards out there, then no more) then send the killer ecm. lots more looped cards, not much supply. we could see $500 cards as people scramble to get back up. they have to respect and address the fta market if fta works. if not, they'll just knock the dog shit out of the plastic market with a well timed ecm. well one might say we'll just wait for the unlooper then. got any looped rom3 or rom10? me too, never did see an unlooper. hopefully someone will find the code, rework the hardware cause without fta we're going to need them real soon.

[spanky macdouga]

drano ...
finally someone who undersatnds the economics of the market. everybody pissing and moaning plastic this fta that. i'm a plastic guy and i really want the fta guys back in the market. will it bring about a card swap? yes. but that will take time. without the fta guys, and if dish/bev believe they have really knocked out the fta market, they are free to just wait a bit till all the fta guys have driven the 102/103 prices through the roof and caused a supply problem (remember there are only X amount of cards out there, then no more) then send the killer ecm. lots more looped cards, not much supply. we could see $500 cards as people scramble to get back up. they have to respect and address the fta market if fta works. if not, they'll just knock the dog shit out of the plastic market with a well timed ecm. well one might say we'll just wait for the unlooper then. got any looped rom3 or rom10? me too, never did see an unlooper. hopefully someone will find the code, rework the hardware cause without fta we're going to need them real soon.

I've posted the following question before (with no reponse, mind you): why hasn't someone mass produced card clones? thier has to be a manufacturer in China that could knock those things off for a reasonable price. just my $0.02 worth.

[scabby]

why not card clones ie security device meanss its secret....nobody actually knows what exactly is completely on the card the chip that is used cannot be bought unles you say own a cable provider! if you go to site Stmicro and read up oncard sale everything from the start is done 100% discrete i mean theres liability involved when u sell a security device you can just have a leak and say oops i guess your stuck with millions of dollars of unusable cards . Its not like we have access t the whole card . only a portion is dumped and most is unaccessable. and to all u that seem to think that their is a difference between plastic and fta users your wrong we are all a bunch of theives stealing sat signals the only difference is fta was a cheaper and better way for the end user all the middle men of card programing got a smack in the head when fta came out no that its dead well no different then any other 2nd rate device like say armulator atmega etc.. except 1 thing it was a WAY better deal and it can still be used for fta feeds now i am a hell of alot happier that i went FTA stb instead of a piec of poop card emulator ythqt is ghood for nothing but scrapping the gum off of my shoes do i have 102s yes as i knew full well fta was not as solid as they were but istill bought them due to the ease and zero chance of wrecking the stb with ie glitching ecms etc...SO all u FTA bashers get iver it FTA was and is the best deal that ever came out . Also all u that think FTA had anything to do with ECMs thnk again they have been hittings us at the same rate and just as fiercely all these years stop looking for a scapegoat u wanna see who is responsible for ecms take a look in the mirror ....All of us regardleesss of device...

[scabby]

once a card is hard looped its hard looped never find a fix its fried never ever in my lifew of plastic testing have i seen a viable unlooper only piss poor imitatitions soft loops yes but no no atr fixes sucks i know i have a stack like every other tester

[Tmac]

You know diddly squat, the resellers of fta irds are all making their 20%+ and have no support headaches, now that's a lovely business model!

Also some Schmuck about five messages back credited FTA manufacturers with cracking the 101/102, shows how far his cranium is up his ass.

As for you being where you are today, spongeing Free TV, what can't afford to pay the $80/month Sub, since you're so 'where you are today'???

Pls keep away from your keyboard, since if I want to read a story and bullshit I'll got to the Library and take out a novel.

Very Amusing..........Boy you are the man........You know everything so smart....... I don't have FTA ass. Don't assume. Go to work and earn a living you leach on society

[mikepr]

Scabby your first post is dead on!!!!!!!! Couldnt agree with you more on all your topics you touched upon

[dssdork]

this is a c&p of a summary of tdg bs
"lol, summary of fix threads, 6/21 Well, it definitely won't take weeks, I'm figuring hours
6/21Fixes will come quickly for those already using a full dump in their flash.
6/22 I think we should see something by morning
6/22 I figured it would be tuff, and its looking like 48 to 72 hrs, best guess.
6/23 There is no time for fix specified.
6/23 soon people, soon They are saying by morning, maybe tonight
6/23 MAP is now known and the fix will come tomorrow sometime
6/24 If they get this by tonight, I'll be very surprised myself
6/24 NO JOKE!! It may be more than the 24 hrs Mr.V said, but he has never lied to me, and he says WE WILL HAVE A SOLUTION SOON!
6/25 I've been told I will have a file to release tomorrow
6/26 I'm almost positive VS will be first now, and maybe in a few hrs. your wait will be over
6/26 Coder is awake and will finish this up in the next few hrs
6/26 As soon as he wakes up we should see the finished product the same day. I think it will be Wednesday (Korea time) and our time will (hopefully) be by noon Tuesday.
6/26 It is coming soon.. be patient
6/26 It'll be here when he's done and WE WILL HAVE IT FIRST
6/28 It'll get here when it gets here
6/28 can take 3 weeks to develop a flash.. He is going to try 1 other thing, before he gives up and starts a new rewrite.
6/29 A realistic time frame for a fix will be anywhere from 3-5 days
6/29 50/50 for a fix by the end of this weekend is what I meant
6/30 You WILL see FTA respond to the latest ECM, and soon...
7/1 I still believe we MAY see something as early as the 4th or 5th
7/3 I believe they will hit the combination of the lock soon
7/5 they have just 1 more layer to get thru and we should be good to go
7/6 We'll most likely see a release from someone soon (maybe even by the weekend).
7/7 (by Viewsat) We hope to finish by end of next week; this one is not going to be temp,,,, fix but full fix; look for TDG update as we are busy working.......
7/9 For the first time, the combination of engineers working on this is shocking. VS's main coder is getting alot of outside help now, and next week we should see solutions for FTA as well as other testing devices

.......and now the latest one..........

7/12 I will not give a time, I will not give any more info. The call just came! I am a happy camper, I can at least tell you that!
and we wait and wait and wait"

[sillywilly]

just my 2 cents.....
How many people that call themself plastic testers actually write the blockers ? 1 percent maybe. All other always wait for p enga to come out with one. what is the difference between the fta avr and plastic...... NONE UNLESS YOU ARE WRITTING THE ACTUAL CODE......
I watch tv with FTA , ATMEGA now plastic.
Stop fooling yourself guys...
Peace

Right on! I totally agree and I am one who use the brains of penga et al and others to run Atmega, Plastic, NEO & Magic (when they worked) AND FTA. And all at the same time and I started this about 8 years or more ago so I'm not new to this. This squabble between so-called hi-class plastic coders (NOT) and those using FTA really make me laugh. if the discussion was about different races of people instead of various ways to beat Charlie and Bev, there are a whole lot here who would be racists.

As for not being able to get a file because the site is overloaded, pay Mili the $25 and get access all the time rather than bitch because you can't get in due to other peopl already having got in during the FREE hours. LMAO at this wierd squabble. :D :eek:

[Crow 492]

This site makes me laugh!!!
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