What do you think about North Korea?

[ghost71799]

You know, to much powder and missiles can go along way.

To little powder and they could hit closer to home.

I am curious of what others may think.

Ghost

[ghost71799]

America was looking for weapons of mass destuction in Iraq.

Why not act now when we know it is for sure in North Korea?

[Zim]

apparently there is not much to gain from n. korea.........wmd was an excuse ...I think

[burnt_servo]

there's no oil in korea ......

[mili]

Containment is the policy in NK. There is nothing worth risking lives for there so they talk tough and do nothing except shit comes flying out. The only people capable of changing that country are NK-ans themselves. You can talk and cajole and threaten the leadership and punish the country as much as you want econimically. They don;t give a fuck. They have food to eat and shown time and again they could not care less about the population. The way to change that regime is by propaganda, information and subversion. Unfortunately all totalitarian regimes have a very efficient and brutal secret police apparatus that will weed out any dissent (and more) to terrorize the people. A few can control the many especially when you don't know who that few is (friend and neighbor) and in NK's case it is not so few. It would be nice if they managed to piss the Chinese off and those two sort it out. I would let them lob missiles and in general just put a few thousand patriot batteries in Alaska and Japan to deal with their missiles if they make it that far without breaking up mid flight.

mili

[cojones]

I had an accident in my truck last night. Car pulled out in front of me and had to smash him. Thank god nobody got hert. It turned out to be a Coast Guardsman that said he will be deployed to the waters around N. Korea for a blockade shortly. So i guess that's what's going to happen first. Keep those nukes in N. KOREA.

[mili]

I think the US gov. will try to make the people or NK even more miserable and starve them to death. I am nto sure it will accomplish the overthrow of the goverment in its own. They will end up killing millions while the tyrants will still live.

mili

[rg6a]

I had an accident in my truck last night. Car pulled out in front of me and had to smash him. Thank god nobody got hert. It turned out to be a Coast Guardsman that said he will be deployed to the waters around N. Korea for a blockade shortly. So i guess that's what's going to happen first. Keep those nukes in N. KOREA.

The guy caused the accident and wanted some 'sympathy' so you wouldn't call the Cops. The Coast Guard is just that, they don't venture more than 300 miles offshore!!

Never knew the Coast Guard had auxillary/reserve units...probably do for inland local waters as one doesn't take a 'newbie' into 30' waves hundreds of miles offshore.

Suggest you check an Atlas, as last time I checked N.K. is totally inland.....but I could be wrong and too lazy to go upstairs to verify this. ;-)

The Chinese could SQUASH them as so could the Russians but they really Like to see the U.S.A. totally STRUNG OUT!!

Meanwhile the Iranians have diverted the spotlight by Arming the Terrorist factions in Lebannon & Gaza!!

I'm getting tired of Gas @ $4+ a Gallon and being held Hostage. Let's Nuke Iran, carpet bomb N.Korea and Syria and then have the Coalition Forces go South and take over the Saudi Oil Fields!!

EFF THEM (sorry for shouting) they have enough Petro Dollars! It's time we now pay 20 cents a gallon and fix our Economy.

As for OPEC Members, Eff them also......embargo on everything!! Perhaps they should tune into the Food Network and perhaps Emerald has some Recipes for light sweet crude!

[cojones]

Coast Guard patrols in all the south american countries waters now days(carribean) drug war . even in the persian gulf had friends there.



korean penisula water one two sides of n. korea s. korea on the south

[fubr]

believe it or not the Coast Guard is a branch of the military,
they can go anywhere sent.
Border patrol no. a department in itself not a branch.

Dont believe the lie that we are spread thin. The media would like you to think that as they would like you to think any other thing that scares you into thinking we are at risk.
We have a very big Military and as far as being spread thin HELL we are already over in the general area where we need to be. What would have taken weeks to deploy will now only take days, HMM..
oil. well I hate paying that much too but hell if we use all their oil then drill ours who will be the last ones with oil.
And those who believe the global warming crap. well if we run out of oil your problem will be solved right?
The globe will continue to get warmer heading out of a ice age until we begin to head into the next ice age, when once again the Earth will prune itself.


or
hell maybe the Sun will burn out or explode, one thing for sure we are going into some interesting times next 100 years.
Israel does not play and we will not leave them alone if something big happens.
Like I said we are already half way there instead of a three day cruise will only be a two hour flight.

[fubr]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Coast_Guard
go to section 5 on that link or talk to one who serves before you make remarks

The Coast Guard began as the Revenue Cutter Service which was founded on August 4, 1790 as part of the Department of the Treasury. An act of the U.S. Congress created the Coast Guard in 1915, with the merger of the Revenue Cutter Service and the United States Lifesaving Service. The United States Lighthouse Service was merged into the Coast Guard in 1939. The legal basis for the Coast Guard is Title 14 of the United States Code, which states: "The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times." Upon the declaration of war or when the President directs, the Coast Guard operates under the authority of the Department of the Navy. The Coast Guard later moved to the Department of Transportation in 1967, and on February 25, 2003 it became part of the Department of Homeland Security.

As members of a military service, Coast Guardsmen on active and reserve service are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and receive the same pay and allowances as members of the same pay grades in the other four armed services.

[DSS7]

No doubt there is an "agenda" with N. Korea's missile testing. It's possible that's it's just to prove to the world they can defend themselves. With the US now having given itself the supreme right to exert "regime change" upon a sovereign nation... I don't doubt that every country on the planet feels a heightened need for self defense right about now. And not because of that overused concept we hear all about everyday... "terror".

Since the fall of the former Soviet Union it would seem the US has become the world's bully. We all thought the cold war was keeping the Soviets in check... well guess what? The cold war was keeping US in check too! Who can tell US no... you've gone too far, now? So now apparently the US gets to decide who can and can't test what. Noooo, we won't pick on China for any of their testing or defensive measures... if we did that the "Great Wall-Mart of China" might cease to exist. That would be very bad for business... maybe not bad for you or I who get our jobs outsourced overseas by it but bad for the CEOs and board of directors who already make more in a day than most of us do in a year. Big business says China will never be a threat.

My point here is that the American media is blowing it all out of proportion as they always do... because fear, fear, fear = sell, sell, sell! The tv sports banners saying... "North Korean Menace" and people don't even realize they're being manipulated with preconceived notion. They show images which show the ranges of these test missiles... of course these are represented as concentric circles overlapping the US west coast. To the casual "idiot box" observer it seems obvious as hell... just LOOK... they're targeting the US here... LOOK the "all knowing" glowing box is showing us! Better go grab little Joey off his tricycle! But understand it's a media portrayal purposely aimed to provide only a negative point of view for you... because people tune in more when they're scared. Sadly the "news" is not necessarily an impartial presentation of facts at all anymore. Check into how much control (read that financial interest) the Republican party has in the "big 7" news organizations.

The North Koreans are doing a test... it's only a test! Ya know... like the US and other nations have been doing like umm forever. Now is the testing a good thing? Probably not and I don't mean to say that it is. When the US tests their own "WMD" is that a good thing? Probably not either. The North Koreans have made no public threat on intention of using these missiles on anyone. Does anyone seriously believe NK is stupid enough to launch something against the US? But they have expressed some serious intent to keep us from interfering in their testing. Can you blame them? What if some bigger bully came along and told the US we couldn't test something? What would our reaction be? Japan is quite pissed off because they're lobbing these things right over their heads into the Sea of Japan, so yeah maybe they have something to bitch about.

Do people even pay attention to what's going on? I mean, does the average US citizen today... so wrapped up with the latest American Idol contest even realize that about 12 months ago the executive branch sought permission to utilize "tactical nuclear weapons" and the higher ups in the US military said no?!? Our own military said no we shouldn't have this capability, it's wrong. And if the idea of "tactical nuclear weapon" doesn't send a death chill down your spine then I seriously think you're missing something. The mere suggestion of it should scare the living shit out of any rational person. Did you hear about any of that on the news... anybody? No of course not, they can't go scaring ourselves about... ourselves!

Given what's been going on in the world lately I scarcely blame any country for wanting to develop some sort of missile program. Perhaps it's what keeps things in balance (yes that is sad, really). Would we want to be without? But ya know, this is all just a "North Korean Menace!" Do you think there would be this much fuss in the news if it were South Korea doing the testing? Think about that. Be informed, be concerned... but at least realize the unfounded hysteria is nothing more than the media purposely preying on all the gullible people out there who only have a 2 minute attention span... who don't ever read anything at all... who don't remember what happened yesterday... and who depend entirely on the "glowing little box" to hand their opinions to them. And it seems the world is full of 'em!

Now I won't for a minute suggest that the North Koreans testing missiles is a good thing but... (much as we'd like to embrace the notion of all nations holding hands and singing Kumbaya together) the fact is other countries have nuclear programs. I'm a cynical observer and I do read alot and don't form my opinions entirely by whats put on the "glowing little box". Fact I tend to wonder... what's the US' agenda here? But yes I suppose those that depend on the glowing little box for their opinion are probably about terrified by now... "wow, this looks bad... guess I better go out and buy that Swiffer Sweeper NOW!"

Perspective people... that's all I'm really saying here... perspective.

~DSS7

[alsouthster]

The Coast Guard later moved to the Department of Transportation in 1967, and on February 25, 2003 it became part of the Department of Homeland Security.


Dunno if they're going to NK, but the Coast Guard did an excellent job during Katrina. Kept their boats outta the way of storm then motored in and saved thousands. One of the few heroes in that debacle.

Fubr's impending Ice Age would cause them problems though ;)

[cojones]

You've never seen those Coast Guard ice breakers ? Never even snows where i live.:eek:

[cojones]

I do remember the Cuban missile crisis. DUCK&COVER!:D

[Twostep]

I mean, does the average US citizen today... so wrapped up with the latest American Idol contest even realize that about 12 months ago the executive branch sought permission to utilize "tactical nuclear weapons" and the higher ups in the US military said no?!? And if the idea of "tactical nuclear weapon" doesn't send a death chill down your spine then I seriously think you're missing something.

~DSS7
First, although I personally disagree on several aspects of this post, it's a fine piece of work from someone who obviously spent some time actually THINKING and not just paying lip service to some political party.

As for the tactical nukes, I'd have to see proof of this before I'd even start to believe it. Unless Michael Moore, Alec Baldwin, et al have taken over the minds of our Generals in the field, you'd never convince me the heads of the US military would ever say that we "should not have nuclear capability".

I've personally been involved in testing TNW devices, in an artillery format. Different from strategic nukes, TNW's are typically low yield, short range devices designed for battlefield use and while they do pack a tremendous wallop, they aren't designed to level countries. They also are not covered by ANY nuclear arms treaty.

I hope we never have to fire one in a war, even a (relatively) small one. There are available conventional weapons that hopefully will suffice in any battlefield conflict. But let me tell all peaceniks reading this - as I heard someone recently say, the only thing worse than a preemptive assault on Iran is a nuclear-armed Iran - and as you say, DSS7, that should be enough to scare the living shit out of any rational person. The minute they have nuclear capability and a means to deliver, you can kiss Israel goodbye and every other 'Zionist' and 'Infidel' stronghold within range of their missles.

It's coming, flat guarantee you, so the question is, what next ? I can promise you, giving up our nuclear capability isn't even being considered. This smacks of far-left liberal bullshit, with no more credibility than those who would propagate the theory that the US attacked itself on 9/11.

I'm not saying YOU fall in this category, DSS7 - as I said, you are an intelligent individual. I'm saying you've gotten some erroneous information in some form or fashion. And as for North Korea, this saber-rattling on their part, while serious, is another attempt by Kim Jong Mentally-Il to blackmail other countries - mainly the United States - for more money. Thank Slick Willie for that line of thinking.

[mili]

Ok let me give you one f my infamous predictions.
Israel already made up its mind about whacking Syria and Iran. The casus belli was teh kidnapping of that first soldier. This operation hase been worked out long in advance it is NOT because that solder was taken, that is as I said teh justifiable cause for it. They started to prepare for this war when that pussyfaced idiot of an Iranian puppet president who falls to his knees in front of the religious council of mullah pencildicked assholes to provide them with oral pleasure twice a day proclaimed that Israel needed killin' a year ago. Ah the Jews took him seriously all right. Now that the plans are worked out all they needed was a little excuse to execute them. They do care about world opinion so they can't just outright whack the cum gargling religious fanatic Iranian and Syrian goverments but they WILL escalate this to that point. I'd say another week or two before Damascus is bombed then expect Tehran to experience the same shortly after. The Jews will not and should not allow Iranian religious fanatics get their hands on a nuke. They WILL defend themselfves preemptively at all cost and I can't really blame them.

As to oil prices, the USA has plenty oil and yu guys are WASTING 50% of it in SUVs and shit. Reject gas guzzlers and the Earth and your vallet will thank you. Or shut up and spend $8/G. $.020/G would ensure only that you kill off the entire planet in 50 years with no incentive to develop clean sources of energy. I say raise that gas sky fuckign high. You got the technology today it just does not worth employing it. I am a tree hugger and I am proud of it.

mili

[alsouthster]

Small reality check, TwoStep
Do you realize how frightening what you have just said is to most of the rest of the world?
A guy who thinks he has god on his side calmly discussing the use of Tactical Nuclear Weapons and how they pack a "wallop"
By the rest of the world I don't just mean Iran, Iraq, NK and the rest of the heathens lol... I mean the rest of the world outside of a small group of American hawks...jeez

[alsouthster]

ps not meaning any offense Twostep...
just I really really get jittery when nukes are raised as a possibilty