Do Tsop Locks Still Work

[DL410]

Been out of the IRD mod stuff for a while and dont see much on TSOP locks anymore. Do they still protect or is that a thing of the past?

[t160hq]

Yes at least the odd circuits locks still work. The inventor
even released a update when the rom 10 stuff came out.

I used the ones installed on mine to keep the firmware
from updating and killing the modified TSOP image that
made them work.

At this point they are not needed. So far no hits of the
type they were orginally designed to prevent
have occured.

Since for the most part no mods on the TSOP are
needed that would require no firmware updates for
them to still work. That applies only to current working
testing methods.

In short you don't need em right now. But, they may
come in handy later.

t160hq

[DL410]

T,
What if anything can protect the card from getting hit other then not using it? Is pulling the card when you are not using it the best if not the only thing to do?
thanks for your response.
dl

[Titus99]

That's the only way to protect the card. Instead of pulling the card, I have my receiver plugged into a power cord and shut it off there. That way there's no wear and tear on the card slot.

[alsouthster]

Guess I am stupid but ....
I thought the card had to be totally out of the stream to be totaly safe? You saying as long as the power is cut card is ok? I.E. card can only be hit if IRD is on?

As for wear and tear on card slot, back in the Atmega days haha I musta had the card in and outta the slot a few hundred times, slot still ok :)

[dssdork]

my locks are working fine i have them installed in my 501,508,510 if it gets hit by a ecm all i do is take out the card and insert back in and thats it

[alsouthster]

Yes, I have an eeprom lock and a tsop lock on my 301.10
IN the past, they kept some shit out, let other shit in.

Question: If Charlie wants to hit plastic (not talking about the new supposed plastic/FTA hybrid, which I understand would be easy to take out with a map change)....but if he wants to hit Rom 102s in Dish IRDs

would he...

send out an ECM against the card? against the tsops? against just the modded tsops? against just the cards with public fixes? against everything?
Will updating the Rev knock some/all out? Is there some other fancier algorithmic manouvere that he has up his sleeve?
would our IRD locks protect us against any of this?


sorry, too many questions, most of em I'm guessing there is no answer to, just speculation.. but the mind boggles, especially the boggled mind ;)

[dRaNo]

would he...

send out an ECM against the card? against the tsops? against just the modded tsops? against just the cards with public fixes? against everything?

Will updating the Rev knock some/all out? Is there some other fancier algorithmic manouvere that he has up his sleeve?
would our IRD locks protect us against any of this?


sorry, too many questions, most of em I'm guessing there is no answer to, just speculation.. but the mind boggles, especially the boggled mind ;)

Charlie can do anything at anytime, I'd expect more card based ECM's in the future rather then IRD attacks. Dish knows we can just JTAG and be up and running again with IRD hit, but with card hits it's more complicated, and with card prices as high as they are it would hurt testers a lot more. The game is just getting started.

[mark3527]

If you want to protect your card, look into Mili's blocker. Easy to apply and inexpensive, I think of it as cheap insurance.

[alsouthster]

Yeah, romcode blocker sounds very cool
but, playing devil's advocate, why would it neccesarily work better than the public blocker?

[mark3527]

There are a bunch of reasons, most of which are in Mili's description, but the ones I like the best are 1) single source - you only have to go to one place for a fix in case of an ECM, 2) the code is kept private, 3) super EASY to install, 4) other users are thrilled with it. Read the description in Mili's store.

[fubr]

No POWER to ird = charlie cant touch card.
the thing does not run on batteries... I use power strip too and simply cut it off or quick connect sat cable connector, Just unplug it.

[alsouthster]

but charlie can still touch IRd right? via the stream, unless you unhook?
sorry, guess this moronic but...

so for the card...if the card is IN the IRD....
unplugged IRD makes card safe.
plugged in IRD (turned off) with card in=not safe or safe????

meanwhile, for the IRD
plugged in IRD (turned off) with stream connected=unsafe
unplugged IRD (turned off) with stream connected=unsafe
only safe IRD=stream unconnected...is that right???

[mark3527]

YES, that's right. With the IRD plugged in but turned off, YOU ARE STILL IN THE STREAM RECEIVING UPDATES. Unplug for maximum protection or use a power strip, as Fubar said.

One more comment on Romcode:

When I compared the price of a 102 card ($150-200) to the price of Romcode ($10/mo), and then when I saw that I could program the card with just a few clicks, it was a "no-brainer". Sure, I could have my pick of free blockers, but if they don't work out, where would you go for support? With all the cutting, pasting and writing to your card, you can screw it up. The Romcode interface writes directly to the card. Get the Romcode. It's worth it.

[fubr]

no card in slot = safe.
no sat feed = safe
no power (unplugged) is best of all = safest.
card in
sat cable in no power (unplugged) = safe card and or ird

[gwabitz]

Guess I am stupid but ....
I thought the card had to be totally out of the stream to be totaly safe? You saying as long as the power is cut card is ok? I.E. card can only be hit if IRD is on?

As for wear and tear on card slot, back in the Atmega days haha I musta had the card in and outta the slot a few hundred times, slot still ok :)

From what I've read, I believe that unless you disconnect the actual sat feed cable at the back of the IRD, an ECM can still happen. Which makes sense to me, because technically the card is still in the stream.

[alsouthster]

card in
sat cable in no,,,unplugged = safe card and or ird

Fubr, not totally getting this last part, commas throwing me off! ;)

[alsouthster]

When I compared the price of a 102 card ($150-200) to the price of Romcode ($10/mo), and then when I saw that I could program the card with just a few clicks, it was a "no-brainer". Sure, I could have my pick of free blockers, but if they don't work out, where would you go for support? With all the cutting, pasting and writing to your card, you can screw it up. The Romcode interface writes directly to the card. Get the Romcode. It's worth it.

Yeah man Romcode sounds cool, like I said

but I'm already set up w/ public fix....and am willing in the future to screw myself up, as usual hahaha...or find local support....

my question is more simple, and not meant to be incendiary...

Dya think Romcode will last longer than public fix?

[fubr]

Fubr, not totally getting this last part, commas throwing me off! ;)
Yeah sorry.
Read it now I fixed.



Charlie can not do shit if ird has no power. Impossible....

[DL410]

I have Romcode and love it.
Thanks Fubar for reminding me im gonna install slip ons on all my jumpers and make the power strips accessable.

[t160hq]

I would add that before plugging it in you should check sites
like this to see if a ECM is currently in the stream.

While it is true it's 100% safe unplugged. As soon as it's
plugged in within minutes you will be hit.

t160hq