More ViewSat Fix update BS

[tile]

C/P First I would like to apologize to the people that hang on every word I say, and to this site for the speculatiion on a fix. The timelines provided were given to me by people I trust. This has not been an easy one for anybody. The providers have gotten serious about their signal integrity and dealt their best shot to date at FTA. Nobody had a clue how serious this new ECM was. Viewsat even underestimated the complexity of it all. There's been no TRUE cardless fix offered yet by anyone. That alone should give you all a hint as to the difficulty involved here. Blacklist has worked tirelessly on the problem. Viewsat engineers have never stopped their quest for a solution. Coolsat caved in and used a Rom 102 to get some TV going for their customers, and Captive works, Triple Dragon & Dreambox have card sharing working. None of these are the "fix" we've all been looking for. Do I still believe it will come? YES, I DO! The predictions of when the fix will come have been wrong since the channels started dropping. It has been 1 mo. since the premium channels started dropping off. Still we have no fix. This is the longest FTA has been down (tho not totally down). Some of the players bought info & help to try & get their units back up. None have accomplished the prize they were seeking. Viewsat hasn't bought anything, cept a scope rental to get a read of the Rom 102. This WAS accomplished and they have the FULL read of the Rom 102 to prove it. Does this guarantee them a solution? Only If the engineers can decode it all and reverse it and write the routines. Nobody else has even attempted going this route, so it would appear the whole industry is content to let VS carry the ball on this one. It's a damn shame that when the solution is released, none of them will be standing in line w/cash in hand to help offset the cost of all the work done to get the solution. 1 last routine is all that stops us from having tv.. The read done on the 102 does not contain the info necessary to complete the solution. VS engineers have to find the last routine on their own. The entire industry depends on them finding it, & WE must all wait for them to find it. Blame me if you must for this wait. Mr. V asked me if they should just follow Coolsat's lead and make a carded solution. I said "NO, we have promised this industry a cardless solution, Let's stay the course till we get it done" his responce to me was " That's what I like about you, you see the real picture of what is needed" I still feel in my heart they will get this without any help, and they will do it this week. That is my opinion and an opinion only. If they don't accomplish this soon, I will relent and ask for a similar solution as Coolsat. That will be a major defeat for me as well as VS, but I just don't see that happening. Business 101 dictates that if they want to dominate the market, they must flex their engineering muscles for all to see to prove they are worthy of being #1. Anything less is NOT satisfactory. Lets all hope this comes to be very soon for all of FTA's sake.. If you want to blame someone for your lack of TV, Blame me, I won't let them quit.. It is down to 1 lousy hardware routine. The combinations are limited, not billions like people think. They will get this.. Just be patient, and be kind to each other. It's only TV. A good tester always has a backup. Either sub, or switch to plastic if you can't wait

[richisabastard]

now before any 1 jumps down my throat i got this off u-neek wich offers pretty much the same info


ON THE EDGE (NEWS: July 22nd)
Viewsat has let us know that they have 1 more task to complete before the software is ready for testing.
They are working hard at getting a proper fix out to us, not just a temporary one. When we get an update, we will post it here immediately.
Thank

[mili]

Let me translate this:

"Viewsat receiver's can't do card sharing nor accept a card reader. We are fucked."

mili

[Beavervillain]

My take on this is Mili is a master of reading the hidden messages.

[MarvinGardens]

C/P "Let's stay the course till we get it done"

Is'nt that the same BS that Pres. Bush says....

[largemouth]

the way I read it is :

vs finally gave up on finding a receiver fix, so he is now working on a rom 102 fix for the card slots and it should be out next week....

[HOUSE_OF_PAIN]

I mean, I am sure the sharks with lasers will cut through the last 2%.:D

[ruciz]

I love how much faith people have in thinking that receivers designed for N2 are able to fully emulate a Rom102 card, including the hardware states.

I mean if they do crack it, great - the coders can definatly write software. But I can almost guarantee that charlie and bev havn't been sitting dormant thinking their job is done security-wise. They probably already have a software fix coded for almost all FTAs and a countermeasure ready to launch the same week an FTA fix surfaces. I mean they do have first hand access to what viewsat is alleged to be currently reversing.

Good luck, hope this hard work pays off. Heard 2 days.. be suprised if its within 2 months.

[honkey]

the new fix will be out on 7-30-2303

trust me:D

[richisabastard]

lol thats optimism at it s best lol i hope your right

[genehackman]

Well thats how long it takes the candadian and the Korean to figure out that lasercope. So be patient.

[spanga]

Let me translate this:
"Viewsat receiver's can't do card sharing nor accept a card reader. We are fucked."
milii happen to believe you are right (which works out well for you seeing as some will remember your semi wagers....lol).....however i just checked and a coupla vs models have built in card readers....whassup.....are they not compatable with what has to be done?.....they should work otherwise.....if viewsat went staight after the MAP and ignored the card reader it shouldn't take long for them to go that way.....that's my take on it....if you are right with that statement, (sorry mili, i couldn't resist....respect), vs is indeed likely hooped for sure and the press release is more crock of poop......at any rate for shits and giggles, could some one give us the skinny on vs readers...i seem to remember someone saying that they won't work for coolsat stb but i can't find the post or remember the stated reason.....thanx

[tommyoz]

I totaly disagree with VS views. I think they should go with plastic just like coolsat for at least the ones who have plastic. Then continue working on a cardless fix.

Mili, you are correct they can't do plastic. Also, didn't Norwest claim that viewsat has asked for the how to on using plastic?

[Titus99]

I totaly disagree with VS views. I think they should go with plastic just like coolsat for at least the ones who have plastic. Then continue working on a cardless fix.

Mili, you are correct they can't do plastic. Also, didn't Norwest claim that viewsat has asked for the how to on using plastic?
That's correct, Norwest claims all the fta manufacturers have offered to pay for their rom 102 fix, but it's not for sale. Who knows if there's any truth to that.

Norwest claims that the rom 102 fix is temporary and they're still working on a cardless fix. I don't believe that. A cardless fix probably isn't possible and they know that. Even if a cardless fix does arrive, the rom 102 fix is a better long term solution. I'm sure Norwest knows this since they've announced that their new card readers will include built in iso reader/writer. They said that 100,000 units will be available within 2 weeks.

If this solution is successful for Norwest, I would expect the other fta manufacturers to follow. Where are all the rom 102 cards going to come from?

[spanga]

i seem to remember someone saying that they won't work for coolsat stb but i can't find the post or remember the stated reason.....thanx

to add to this, i seem to remember that post saying that vs readers were incompatable with nagra cards as they are set up for a totally dfferent access module....in my mind at least, given mili's comment, any discussion of vs card sharing or using the card slot is moot until we know if it is possible ...can anyone bring us up to speed on that issue?....i'm off to look around for that thread, it could even have been on another forum.....wish me luck....lol

[tommyoz]

That's correct, Norwest claims all the fta manufacturers have offered to pay for their rom 102 fix, but it's not for sale. Who knows if there's any truth to that.

Norwest claims that the rom 102 fix is temporary and they're still working on a cardless fix. I don't believe that. A cardless fix probably isn't possible and they know that. Even if a cardless fix does arrive, the rom 102 fix is a better long term solution. I'm sure Norwest knows this since they've announced that their new card readers will include built in iso reader/writer. They said that 100,000 units will be available within 2 weeks.

If this solution is successful for Norwest, I would expect the other fta manufacturers to follow. Where are all the rom 102 cards going to come from?
This is true as well. So if they all know that a cardless fix is a far reach then why wouldn't they all go to plastic just like Coolsat or Dreambox, Relook & Triple Dragon for that matter.

I see what you're getting at though. They're all just stringing there supporters along. After all the fix for DirecTV is still in the process.

I just got into the plastic after what happened with FTA. All the boxes I purchased with the exception of the Pansat 2500 (my first one) all have card readers or at least the ability to add one as with the Coolsats. Even my Viewsat extreme has a card reader. Now that I am into plastic I'm finding it very challenging and fun. With FTA it was quite boring just visiting those sites and waiting for the Bin to come out and that's even if you could log on after a blackout. With plastic you have more control.

The only good thing about FTA is you have better Satellite control. The card fix from Norwest allows all Satellites to be availble including Bev. The card fix from the others I mentioned (DB, Relook & TD) just get what's on the card. I'll keep my eyes open for both.

[Titus99]

This is true as well. So if they all know that a cardless fix is a far reach then why wouldn't they all go to plastic just like Coolsat or Dreambox, Relook & Triple Dragon for that matter.

How many of the companies are actually working on a fix. Maybe a couple? It takes alot of money to do this kind of work. I think most of the companies are waiting for someone to complete the fix, then they will buy it for their machines.

Why don't they all go to plastic? Good question. Maybe because VS (and possibly others) have guaranteed a fix. It won't look good if they come out now and say it's not possible. Also there's a cost associated with going to the rom 102 solution. Tell someone that they need to spend another $400 to get their machine working, there will be lots of backlash. Plus you have to explain to customers what rom 102 card is good, how to unlock the card, and how to program card. What if card gets looped?

I would love to see TDG explaining how VS has gone to a rom 102 solution (temporarily of course because the cardless fix is so close).

[GeordieCA]

This is really beyond a joke now. Dishnetwork themselves couldn't have done a better job of protecting their datastream.
These constant illogical statements are detracting from the real mission of actually trying to find a solution.
What is being talked about now is frankly disgusting. It seems as if they are taking some kind of perverse pleasure from having everybody waiting.
When the force of the market gets behind actually trying to fix this problem there is a chance.
When everybody who is thinking "free next week" starts demanding a solution with their money then maybe there will be some progress.
Until recently I'd been chucklng as to how dumb these guys are. These guys are not dumb, they're assuming we are all dumb. The whole point of this charade is to dupe a few more people into buying a Viewsat receiver.
Viewsat are laughing at you and calling you and idiot.

[bigmack]

hahahahahahahahahaha 1 magically hidden routine left?

[Tom2004]

If it is not cardless they can shove their units up their ass. Got Plan B in place and Plan C and D awaiting activation. I really miss Dave and am settling for Charlie on 102's on 301.13's. Really wish they all could crack a deal with Canada and enter the arena and I would sign up on sub and sell all my equipment.

Damn CRTC Canadian content crap rules are promoting piracy. BEV programming is worse than cable TV! I sub for BEV HDTV only to enjoy the wife's recent HDTV 60" Sony birthday present to me....thanks honey!

If Viewsat cannot put up then they should just STFU and die. Cardless is what they sold me and cardless is what I demand. Where is your word! Shame! Shame on you! A man's word is the only thing nobody but himself can give away.

[drelgie]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that all of Mili's responses bashing FTA's or the info on them to end with a sales pitch????

[mili]

Did you notice you are an idiot?
If not we did.

Go watch your blank screen.

mili

[Beavervillain]

LOL You go mili. I love drelgie's new title. Very fitting.

[Titus99]

If it is not cardless they can shove their units up their ass. Got Plan B in place and Plan C and D awaiting activation. I really miss Dave and am settling for Charlie on 102's on 301.13's. Really wish they all could crack a deal with Canada and enter the arena and I would sign up on sub and sell all my equipment.

Damn CRTC Canadian content crap rules are promoting piracy. BEV programming is worse than cable TV! I sub for BEV HDTV only to enjoy the wife's recent HDTV 60" Sony birthday present to me....thanks honey!

If Viewsat cannot put up then they should just STFU and die. Cardless is what they sold me and cardless is what I demand. Where is your word! Shame! Shame on you! A man's word is the only thing nobody but himself can give away.

How can anyone expect to buy an fta box and get d*sh & b*v programming? It's made to receive fta channels, which I'm sure they do. I don't think any fta user has a right to demand any fix (rom 102 or cardless). If the unit doesn't receive fta channels, then bitch like hell.

It's not VS way to keep quiet. I'm sure they'll keep the PR ball rolling.

[Titus99]

LOL You go mili. I love drelgie's new title. Very fitting.

Very funny. Thanks for pointing that out - I never noticed it.

[GeordieCA]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that all of Mili's responses bashing FTA's or the info on them to end with a sales pitch????

Wow. On the one hand we've got Milli selling a product that works. Do you fancy your chances on ebay or dsshackcarx102.tv. On the other hand we've got VS talking absolute crap in order to CON people into buying their product. Good luck with that.

[Beavervillain]

Very funny. Thanks for pointing that out - I never noticed it.
No prob.
Thats what I like the most about this site. Most places would have banned and deleted a post like that but Mili just fires it right back at them.

[tommyoz]

How can anyone expect to buy an fta box and get d*sh & b*v programming? It's made to receive fta channels, which I'm sure they do. I don't think any fta user has a right to demand any fix (rom 102 or cardless). If the unit doesn't receive fta channels, then bitch like hell.

It's not VS way to keep quiet. I'm sure they'll keep the PR ball rolling.
You took the words right out of my mouth.


Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that all of Mili's responses bashing FTA's or the info on them to end with a sales pitch????
It's just you.

Beavervillain, nice catch Very Dumb User = idiot as Mili said.

[org]

I hope the Canadian and the Korean didn't plug the scope into the wrong outlet.I mean 220v can do a number on 120.