Dish 1000 with DP34

[chu2001]

Hello,Is it possible to use a Dish 1000 with DP34? I run 3 cables 1 from the 129 and 2 from the 110/119 LNB. Connect them to the DP34 and try to acquire signal but could not get all 3 sats. Is the Dish 1000 compatible with DP34 and DP301, 311 IRD?Thank you.Chu

[blackduck]

if im not mistaken, the dish 1000 needs dp44 switch unless you replace the dp plus twin lnbs that comes with the dish 1000

[REALLY PISSED]

yes you can run a dish pro plus twin with a 34 switch.... just like you said 3 lines... 1-129, 2-119 and 110.. 34 switch are finicky i have seen them work perfect and i have seen them only work if the are more then 2 rec tied in also.... must be a power issue or something... do you have a hd rec...

[chu2001]

Hello,I do not have any HD rec yet, but I am thinking to put in a HD811. However, I can not get the Dish 1000 working correctly with my 510 & 311. When I replace the DishPro Plus with a normal Twin Dishpro. Do I still follow the same al, sk and elevation as the dish 1000 setting? I did try that but still could not get the 110 to come in correctly.Thank you for your help.Chu

[REALLY PISSED]

what is signal atrength on 129 if it is above 75 then you have missed 110 and if it is below 45 then you missed it.. 1000 are a pain..may even be a bad 34 swiitch run a line straight to rec from the twin and use the jumper from twin to the single lnbf and by pass the 34 switch altogether and check then....

[Soundguy]

A DP 34 will NOT work with a DP PRO PLUS LNB that comes on a DISH 1000. The switch in a DPP LNB is NOT compatable with any switch other then a DPP 44.

[eFish]

A DPP 44 is optional if only one receiver is hooked up. Reading the install manual shows that the 129 is looped to the 110 and output is provided through the 119 LNB. Of course the receiver has to be DPP.

[chu2001]

Thank you SoundGuy and Efish. If that the case, is it ok if I replace the DPP LNB on the 1000 with a Twin DishPro LNB from DishPro500. Will it has the same angle to get the 110 and 119 as the DishProPlus LNB?
I read some post said that if I run 3 wires 2 for the DPP LNB and 1 for the 129 LNB then it will work with DP34. DPP44 only needed if you run the 129 to the LNB input on the DPP LNB then 2 wires to the DPP44.
I will test out the setup sometime this weekend and post back the result later.Thank you.Chu

[REALLY PISSED]

i have use a ddp twin and a 34 switch before so i know it works.....

[Soundguy]

IF it works you DO NOT have a DPP LNB that comes standard on a DISH 1000. The DPP has internal switches that are NOT compatable with a DP 34. The DPP is the LNB with TWO IRD outputs (on the left) and ONE LNB INPUT (on the right).
IT will work with a DP Twin or QUAD but not DPP - DISH PRO PLUS Equipment. IT IS NOT COMPATABLE.
Read the book if you dont believe me:
hXXp://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Dishnetwork/LNBF/dpptwin.pdf (http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Dishnetwork/LNBF/dpptwin.pdf)

[Soundguy]

Chu
Yes a DP TWIN or QUAD can feed your DP 34 no problem. And it will maintain the same alignment for the most part. After you get it installed compare your signal strength to what you had before and if you need to move it do so every so slightly to improve the signal strength. We are talking about 1/8 or 1/4 " at most if needed at all.
You need to run THREE cables to the DP 34 switch one for the 110 119 and 129 or whatever third bird you want.
If you have a DPP 44 then you only need two wires. The DPP LNB takes he 129 input and combines it with the 110/119 to feed a DPP switch. The DPP stuff is quite different then the DP stuff.
You can read all the manuals at the link in my previous post and if you get stuck PM me and I will help you out with the correct info.

[Soundguy]

And to correct the other previous post any DP receiver will work with any DP or DPP switch. DPP equipment is required to use one RG-6 cable with a DPP Seperator for TWO TUNER boxes and PVR's.
A DPP receiver is not required nor does it exist.

[REALLY PISSED]

man i work for dish and i have use them many times...................................

[Soundguy]

Dude if you work for Dish you should know how the system works.
You cannot cascade a Dish Pro PLUS TWIN LNB that has a LNB input and two IRD outputs with a DP 34. IT DONT FUCKING WORK.
Can you read the manual I gave the link for? If you work for Dish you should have read the thing already. DP PLUS only works with DP PLUS SWITCHES it is not backward compatable to DP switches.

[REALLY PISSED]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!! i just did it the other day........... i guess you think dpp wont work with legacy rec too.... it will.... the only diff is the dpp splits 2150 instead of 1450

[REALLY PISSED]

i am not going to fuss about this... as long as you use a dp 34 switch it will work....... i am done

[Soundguy]

Stop pontificating and read the manual I have been installing saucers since 1981 and if you are stating the model number correctly with an extra P or a +, DP is not compatable, sorry.

I have also personally tried to run a DP 34 from a DPP TWIN and even with a power inserter as some have theorized it did not work. If the LNB has a single LNB INPUT on the right side it wont work with a DP 34.

Thats why they make DPP 21+ DPP 44 switches.

[jmf38]

not to change the subject but i was watching a Dish 1000 install channel(in the 9000's). the lady was talking that you need 3 things to run 1 wire etc.etc.
then she talks about a legacy adapter.etc.
then she freaked me out when she said that you can install a Diseqc switch also for a certain setup.
does DN make a diseqc switch? i never saw one other than Lavasat,Pansat,Toneburst(came with my Blackbird a few years ago).
Surely DN would not suggest using a FTA switch with their exclusive DPP equipment.
is that DP-plus 1000 dish really a pain to setup?
I am using a superdish105 and a tried adding a 129 DPLNB to it. i can't seem to hit it(129).i think it's the tree growth this summer.
i even tried a single(18") dish but my elevation for 129 is 22.5 angle in which is a pretty low angle.
i'm thinking about trying to get 129 with that new 1000 dish cause it seems to be angled higher to the sky than my 18" single.
it's weird that i can get 119-110-105-91 but not 129.
i didn't mean to kinda hijack this thread but it does pertain to my setup also.
anyhow! what's up with DN using a Diseqc switch?
check it out in the 9000's.

[REALLY PISSED]

1000 done.... dpp twin and dp daul 34 switch 3 lines from dish to 34 switch then 4 lines out to rec..... worked flawlessly...........................

[jmf38]

hey really pissed,
what does it say (switch type) after a check sw.
just curious.
we tried to hook a diseqc sw one time to my buddy's dish1000 with another added dish(91) to a fta but no go-didn't work.it was his idea
of course the dish1000 worked fine with the fta without the diseqc so we just removed the 129 LNB and mounted it to a 18"DTV dish(hacksawed the top of the lnb arm) and aimed it to 91.
that's good news for my buddy cause he wants to add another reciever.
right now he is using one of those manual (atari game or tv) switches and i have an extra 34.
have a good one!
thanks-jmf38

[chu2001]

Hello All,
I just want to confirm really pissed that DP34 work with my Dish1000 with DishProPlus Twin LNB. I just do not use the connection between the 129 LNB to the input on the 110/119 LNB. I ran 3 cables to the DP34 for 110/119/129 and it work.
The Dish1000 is very hard to setup as far as signal level. I can not get a good signal on all the sat. The most I can get so far after a whole day tweaking is about 55-60% on all the sats. I will try to get better signal strength later today.
Thank you so much for your help.

Chu

[blackduck]

I dont know why i even bother to add my 2 cents, but this setup did not work for me. Well let me correct that.. I did work, but my channels kept going out. Some stations work flawlessly, but others would work one min then go out the next. Once I changed to a 44 switched everything worked properly. So I'd have to agree with Soundguy that this is not a proper configuration. The manual says they are not compatiable.. But hell, if you are happy with it, then it really doesnt matter.

[Soundguy]

As long as you bypass the internal LNB combiner in the DPP LNB and run the third bird directly into the DP 34 with three feeds it will work. I previously said and maintain that you cannot cascade a DPP LNB (with three sat's using the internal combiner) with a DP 34. Bypassing that combiner makes it work. But if you are trying to use a DP Seperator you need to use the DPP LNB and combiner for the three or go to a DPP 44
Many FTA'ers try to get 4 birds with a DP 34 by using the internal LNB input on the DPP LNB and feed the DP 34 with the two outputs of the DPP LNB and a fourth Bird but that wont work.
Also if you are using any Legacy IRD's you need to use at least ONE DP IRD with each as the Legacy does not have the current required to power the switch and the LNB's alone and you need at least one DP IRD to boost the avaliable current on the coax.
You can use a DP 21+ to get a fourth bird to one IRD with a dual output LNB on bird 4 and two DP 21+ you can get to two IRD's
JMF if you were able to align a Superdish you wont have that much trouble with a 1000+
You can use Dsq with FTA and DN with FTA they work the same.
The 129 is up there and trees may be your issue if you are hitting all the others ok you are on the right track

[jmf38]

thanks for the info on the DP34 etc.
i get great signal on the SuperDish 119-110-105.
i can get 61.5 and 91
i just cannot hit 129 even with a single dish.
my buddy J holds his 129 LNB in his hand on his dish and he gets it.
i can't even get a signal at all.
there are some tall trees over there
its got to be a tree limb or something.
but man i see dishes aimed right at hillsides,buildings,rooftops and i can't get 129.
my HDTV hopes are in the bucket for now.
my buddy J says to get about 30 foot of pipe, set angle then start turning dish with 10 foot section of pipe.if it don't work add another 10 foot pipe and turn dish again.too many powerlines around.LOL!
i always read that the signal almost hits the dish 15 degrees higher than where the dish is actually pointing.
This makes the 3rd try this summer out on my front porch with rec,13"tv,extension cord etc.
i will know when winter is here

[jmf38]

my problem with not getting 129 was a row of trees adjacent to my house.
i moved a single 18" dish over to where there is an opening in the trees.
i finally got signal using a piece of pvc pipe as a mast(just to test the location).it picked up for the first time.
i have a fortec 110cm dish with a DPro LNB mounted to it.Basically I removed the grey plastic cover on the LNB(it's super glued and a bitch to pry off) and the DP fits right into the 40mm LNB holder with the 25mm adapter.
now all I have to do is put a steel pole-mast to put the big dish in place and run a cable over to the porch.finally 129.
does anyone know if 118 sat is listed on lyngsat yet.
looks like dish will have 119-110-129-118 in the future from looking at the DISH1000+
i think 118 is a fss LNB-like a KU.
how can KU be used for HDTV? just for locals?
oh yeah what sat is Zoom located?
thanks.jmf38