9/11 was an inside job

[btester1]

9/11 was an inside job, a false flag operation.

check out the demonstration at New York. Thousands of people.

Basically things are going to hell, and people had better to listen.
Canada and US have nice terrorism legislation.
Basically in Canada, they can put you in jail and keep you for as long as they
want. It's a very vague legislation.
We will lose our country to the North American Union.
The Union between Mexico, US and Canada.
If Canadians, don't believe me, go to
click on the north american union banner.
If Americans don't believe me, go toand you will see what it's about.
Martin, Bush and Fox, signed the Security prosperity and Partnership agreement in 2005 without anybody knowing.
They want to build the Nafta highway.

Say goodbye to your country by 2010.
:( goodbye Canada
;) take action!! This not a joke.

[Starduster]

You seem to have cornered the market on being a goofball.:D :D :D

[BigSwifty]

You seem to have cornered the market on being a goofball.:D :D :D

Someone needs to make you a mod...this is the best first post I have ever read!!!

[Starduster]

In fact, there is a humor section on this site to post silly comments such as yours. And I think that the mods should remove your goofball live links.

[Starduster]

Someone needs to make you a mod...this is the best first post I have ever read!!! Thanks BigSwifty, someone needs to remind these people that they are living in a world of fantasy. the only reason I registered was because I saw his dumb post and felt like he (or it) needed to hear some real truth.

[btester1]

To Starduster, are you the guy who walks into the produce department to buy a half head of lettuce.
Prove my facts wrong. Check out the facts and post a proper comeback with facts.
75 per cent of the firefighters at ground zero believe bombs were going off. You were not there.
American Union is real. Did you ever hear of the Euro.
How about the Amero. I wish it was a joke.
Check out my facts and postback.
They are building a nafta highway to go through Mexico, Canada and US.
] has been signed.
Canada can keep you in jail. Just read in the newspaper today by a lawyer who represents some of the so called terrorists.

[BigSwifty]

Get out the nets... we got cheese slipping off the crackers in Aisle #3

[Starduster]

Your a young person that was looking for a cause, you had a choice to worship Che, or this other conspiracy crap that you chose.

[Starduster]

Big, LOL.

[btester1]

Check out the facts and post. I don't need silly comments.
what's the latest dope on the streets.
prove me wrong if your so smart.

[Starduster]

To Starduster, are you the guy who walks into the produce department to buy a half head of lettuce.
Prove my facts wrong. Check out the facts and post a proper comeback with facts.
75 per cent of the firefighters at ground zero believe bombs were going off. You were not there.
American Union is real. Did you ever hear of the Euro.
How about the Amero. I wish it was a joke.
Check out my facts and postback.
They are building a nafta highway to go through Mexico, Canada and US.
has been signed.
Canada can keep you in jail. Just read in the newspaper today by a lawyer who represents some of the so called terrorists. You say you wish it were a joke....well, you just got your wish. I checked the chief inspecter of jokes, and he said that this was a joke, a really bad one. And the latest dope on the street is the guy who told you this BS.

[Bandit5906]

To Starduster, are you the guy who walks into the produce department to buy a half head of lettuce.
Prove my facts wrong. Check out the facts and post a proper comeback with facts.
75 per cent of the firefighters at ground zero believe bombs were going off. You were not there.
American Union is real. Did you ever hear of the Euro.
How about the Amero. I wish it was a joke.
Check out my facts and postback.
They are building a nafta highway to go through Mexico, Canada and US.
has been signed.
Canada can keep you in jail. Just read in the newspaper today by a lawyer who represents some of the so called terrorists.

What drugs are you doing & what have you done in the past? There are blogs which support this rubbish. Why not go there and stay there where you and the rest of the moonbats reside? A serious argument to Darwin's Theory of Evolution!

[BigSwifty]

Check out the facts where...from a list of left wing nutzo conspiracy theory websites?

Latest dope on the streets from what I hear is Afghanistan H.

Maybe you should try some !

[Starduster]

btester1, Is this a photo of your leader or should I say x-leader?

[btester1]

A thought must have crossed your mind?
I didn't address his facts. therefore have no argument. Therefore discredited.

[btester1]

Immortal Technique was at the demonstration at ground zero.

Here is there video with Enimem in it on 9/11 .
You will enjoy. Good tune.


I think there is 10000 pieces of evidence of inside job. I have heard.
I want them to go down and brought to trial.
Not political. This is murder.

[Satan]

Hate to say this...but there are doorknob's out there....and lot's of them that fall for this shit...watch the O-riely factor..make's ya wonder what the world will be like in another 10 year's.

Want some real shit....?..how about the ACLU ..and human right's doper's that claim were torturing the muslim fuck's who are hell bent on killing us...by putting them in a cold room...and blareing *The Red Hot CHilly Pepper's* ..at them...man....torture isn't what it was like back in the WWII day's...LmFaO..

[BigSwifty]

You're so full of shit....It is political with you. Need I quote your Bush bash from last night in the 9/11 thread Crow had to close?

[btester1]

Swifty. look at google epa + ground zero

This is all over the news.
Oh EPA didn't lie about air quality. Ground zero firefighters and policeman are all dying. All that asbestos went all over manhattan. Children are breathing it. Everybody is.

They didn't yell at Bush at ground zero inside job for no reason.
They couldn't film around bush because of too many people wearing black shirts
saying inside job. Investigate 9/11 ect..

The North American Union, is not fiction. Did you check out my images at google.
Why the hell would a canadian political party say it.
Why is it that they are building a highway like that.
Why does Bush leave the border wide US Mexico border wide open.

I'm canadian and can't be considered be considered political.
Who likes Bush anyway.

[BigSwifty]

Figures, all this opinion and isn't from here!

[Twostep]

Prove my facts wrong. Check out the facts and post a proper comeback with facts.
Well, I'm not one to shy away from a hot topic...so here goes, BTester. You're it.

Not up to us to post a proper comeback with facts. With technology advanced as it is, anything - ANYTHING - can be altered and manipulated to suit the deranged mind of the one advancing some lunatic idea. People like yourself are not new; it's been going on since the beginning of time. I'd be richer than Bill Gates if I had a dollar for every Lincoln assassination theory I've listened to.

Not that it really makes a rat's ass, but for the sake of discussion in this thread, it's YOUR job to prove your point. I know what it is. George Bush/Dick Cheney/Skull and Bones Society/Blame 9/11 on Arabs/Grab Iraq Oil/Make Halliburton rich, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.:rolleyes:

You ain't got one fucking iota of proof, period. If you think an Eminem video is the answer, man, you REALLY need some help, bro....:eek:

And ditch the live links in your posts, or I'll have your ass thrown out of here. Then you can go back to Code Pink, MoveOn.org or wherever else this talk is tossed around.

[Bandit5906]

More American like him than those who don't! A great guy who takes his job seriously (unlike our former "leader" who did nothing to defend us from these Islamo Nazi's).

We are where we are as the result of the former appeasers!

[btester1]

I have relatives in the US. My uncle lives in florida.

The North American Union is real and coming.
(martin, fox, bush signed 2005)
there is more than that.

The European Union certainly is real. Ireland didn't know it was in until too late.

Democrat/Republican is just divide and conquer mentality. Making you think
you have a choice. I really don't care about politics, I"m canadian.

I say again close to 10000 pieces of evidence 9/11 was an inside job.
The official story is a conspiracy. 5 Hijackers are still alive and have been interviewed. Top ten reasons why the hijackers are fake.
look at the second video down. This is from a PhD.
There are 75 scientists calling 9/11 an inside job.

Stick your head in the sand, some animals do that.

[BigSwifty]

And some animals stick their head up their ass... you are living proof of that.

[btester1]

Look swifty, I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.

Look at the facts. You can't seem to answer them. Hm.. why is that.
You love George Bush.

[BigSwifty]

Hey I got a novel idea ... since you aren't even from here....

Go to Montreal and tell them folks how that is a conspiracy too!

[$$dollarz]

Hello,
Well Twostep the undisputed expert in themodynamics, engineering, metallurgist,renowned physicist, has spoken on the matter no need to challenge the subject any further, all other experts who have a differing view should acknowledge that Twostep has concluded that no other explanation of the events of 911 are theoretically possible should resign to the fact he is the knower of all things and go on to callaborate their efforts and produce another Rubicks cube or something to preoccupy the minds of those individuals who would seek a realistic explantion in accordance with the scientific data(independant not working for the government) in relation to what transpired on that terrible day.

[Satan]

Btester...I to am a Canadain.....and I'm not all that proud to be...when I see fuck wad's like you post this kind of shit....?. I mean I know your smart...cause you'v watched the CBC all your life.... And that's just great.....now please go lay down and take your Gov't supplyed med's....

Yout probaly gonna start telling the world that the Liberal gov't is innocent of stealing that $250,000,000 of our tax dollar's...cause you think it's a conspiricy ..?

[lesky]

i think you should really get therapy soon. please dont wait. your conspiracy theory really doesnt make any sense at all. if your going to post something you should think it through. and then when your ready think it through again. if firefighters were close enough to see or hear explosions well then there probably not here to talk about it. everyone who has a tv seen the planes hit the towers and burn. i didnt see explosions blasting out windows on any of the floors that werent impacted by the planes. if you really want to piss people off then your defintely succeeding. i dont think this is very funny or amusing and i hope this thread ends very soon. i think we have enough conspiracy theories floating around and too many idiots supporting them. idont think you deserve the attention.

[btester1]

Satan, well I wish you well on Canada day.
I hope there is still.

[Twostep]

Tester, I'm not sure how the NAFTA highway, or Trans-Texas corridor, has to do with any of this....nor how your Floridian uncle does, either.

Nothing against Florida, or your uncle. :p

The Taco Bell Interstate, as I call it, is an idea of unbelievable ignorance. NAFTA has cost Texans enough money to pay the national debt. Bush/Republicans haven't done everything right. But you have to understand - you're a Canadian, accusing my government of 3000 counts of first degree murder...I don't take that lightly. And as I said, you have no proof, other than what wingnut professors such as BYU's Steven Jones rattle on about. Jones has no proof either - and pressed to show evidence of who planted the explosives he vows brought the towers down, he offered not a damn thing.

Speaking of which, Professor Jones was given the boot by BYU on Sept. 8, put on indefinite paid leave, as a direct result of his controversial theories. Them Mormons got their shit together, eh?;)

[btester1]

A lot of stuff going on, you better not question the official story if you want to keep your job eh.
You love your first ammendment gone don't you.

EPA didn't lie about air quality. It's just fiction eh.



There are not building a nafta super highway eh.

Stick your head in the sand eh.

[btester1]

Twostep, I actually question your patriotism to your people and not your government.

[BigSwifty]

And again pull yours out of your ass ... left wing links mean dick!

Where are you with the conspiracy theory with them grieving folks in Montreal ?

[BigSwifty]

KOOL-Aid Kids !!!!

[btester1]

Swifty, address the evidence or please leave the discussion.

[Starduster]

And looking forward to your next tread : "Who killed JFK?". Soon, all doubts will be put to rest, "who was that person on the grassy knoll? Was it really the Good Humor man selling Eskimo Pie's? Was Jack Ruby really a Tibetan Monk? These and other questions will be answered at , MoreFictionForTheBrainDead.COM , or wait for the movie staring Joey the sock puppet. Yes, fiction is stranger then truth. By the way, I knew Jack, as opposed to, I do not know Jack.:D

[Twostep]

A lot of stuff going on, you better not question the official story if you want to keep your job eh.
You love your first ammendment gone don't you.
EPA didn't lie about air quality. It's just fiction eh.
doesn't exist eh.
There are not building a nafta super highway eh.
Stick your head in the sand eh.
Well, let's see if we can pick at this a bit....

1) Jones did a lot more than question the official story. He's propagating this horse shit on young, impressionable college students - and that's unforgivable. Freedom of speech, my big fat ass. Just because it's LEGAL doesn't mean it's RIGHT. Unless you're a left-handed radical and charter member of the Blame America First Club, which apparently doesn't describe the Board of Regents at BYU. Jones got just what he deserved. With any luck, they'll shitcan that idiot Ward Churchill next.

2) I wouldn't doubt it one bit if the EPA lied about the air quality. That whole fucking outfit is a joke, riddled with regulations set in place by morons who wouldn't know air quality from goose shit. By the way, George Bush didn't create the EPA.:rolleyes:

3) I'm quite certain those fringe websites exist. So what?

4) The NAFTA superhighway is a real idea, and a bad one. There's a drought somewhere in southern Africa. Big Brother All-Stars came on last night. My dog had dinner about 3 hours ago. If you're getting my drift, what the hell does NAFTA have to do with the Bush administration orchestrating 911?

5) No sand where I live, just clay, and it's too fucking hard to bury my head in it. That being the case, I keep it on my shoulders and make an effort to learn what's going on in this country and around the world. I live in a real world, BTester, not a theoretical one.

I'm surprised you're Canadian. Most Canadians are pretty reasonable. I'd expect this kind of talk from the fine folks at Berkeley College or downtown Hollywood.

[BigSwifty]

Swifty, address the evidence or please leave the discussion.

OK 3rd time now !!!!

Where are you with the conspiracy theory with them grieving folks in Montreal ?

[BigSwifty]

Has no opinion of shit in his own counrty but by God he knows it all in the US

[Twostep]

Swifty, address the evidence or please leave the discussion.

BTester, you get rid of those live links as I asked you to, or we'll be discussing 9/11 without your presence. I can see that it gets done, I promise you. You have five minutes.

[Starduster]

Swifty, address the evidence or please leave the discussion. Swifty may not leave, but I am, and btester, your lucky it is not a school night or you would have left a long time ago.

[btester1]

Have you ever seen a thermite reaction. Go to google video.

You will love it.
The buildings fell at freefall speed. Impossible!!!!
See the thermite reaction. Then it all becomes possible.
Steven Jones is actually talking about thermate which is more powerful.

[BigSwifty]

Do you own a Viewsat ?

[Crow 492]

Delete live link's or I will delete this post.

[btester1]

I'm actually a physicist/programmer.
I'm a protester/activist as well. I have protested Bilderberg in Ottawa.
I love yelling, you "Terrorist scum" at black limousines with the B on it.
It feels good. It's cool. This was in Kanata Ontario Canada.
David Rockefeller was there along with Queen Beatrix(60 per cent owner of shell oil), Hilary Clinton, Rothschild representives and 130 others. Harper is a member as well as Martin.
This is not a conspiracy, I was there in the flesh. I have pictures.
My beliefs were shaken by that experience. I have met people who were
taken by the RCMP for terror questioning by gunpoint. Swat team style.
This is unbelievable. You don't have to believe this. That's okay.

Even my father who is the worst skeptic of 9/11, after seeing the evidence now believes it somewhat.
He is worried for his pension now.
Once you understand the spew that comes out of the media. You question
more and more, and you question the foundation of things.
Three buildings went down that day on 911.
The smoking gun is Building 7 (check st911) which collasped. This building was never hit by debris. It is seperate from the twin towers and not well known.
Look at the facts, that's all I ask.
I wish it was a conspiracy and I could have peace of mind.
Steven Jones almost get's fired and he get's no money for exposing this.
He is a real patriot.
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Mark Twain once wrote that,"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot

[Twostep]

BTester, just to be fair, I actually watched your Thermite demonstration video. I'd say it's possible that Thermite has the capability to bring down the World Trade Center.

They formed a 9/11 commission, if you'll recall...a bunch of folks riddled with Bush-haters who would love nothing more than to prove what you're stating. Claims of Bush Administration ineptness? Of course, lots of it. But saying the government actually pulled it off? Not a chance, no way in hell. Do you realize what you're really saying???

For a crime to be committed, there must be a motive. And you're saying hat a sitting President and his administration bombed New York City, doing perhaps a trillion dollars in damage. murdering 3000 people and ruining the lives of tens of thousands left behind, all for oil and implementation of American policy in the Middle East?

Forget all the pictures, which by the way, have been Photoshopped to death....all the pyrotechnics, all of that...the US Government, for all its faults, is not an Islamo-Fascist operation. They didn't take the WTC out...neither did they didn't take out the New Orleans levees, Louis Farrakhan be damned.

This did not happen as you say. Period. I don't need to prove what I say. And you can't prove what you say. I keep repeating it, Tester...you're in a world of theory, where anything can exist.

This is Twilight Zone stuff, folks. :eek:

[Twostep]

I'm actually a physicist/programmer.
I'm a protester/activist as well. I have protested Bilderberg in Ottawa.
I love yelling, you "Terrorist scum" at black limousines with the B on it.
It feels good. It's cool.

Folks, I think this about says it all....you are forgiven, BTester. I think everyone now understands where you're coming from.

Political and religious fanatics cannot be reasoned with, bargained with, negotiated with or in any way, shape or form be swayed from their points of view. I thought at first, BTester, you were possibly just another eastern Canadian liberal who has the redass at the Bush administration...and there's plenty of those.

Hell, you're a professional....you've made a career out of shitstirring...and, hahahaha, you have the balls to come on here and claim "I'm not political".....:eek: :confused: :rolleyes:

Ya'll take it from here. This dude's too hot for this old fat boy to handle.

[btester1]

Thermate was used, because Jones found sulfur on the steel and analyzed all the yellow flames coming out of pictures. Thermate is thermite with sulfur added.
He has actual pieces from the site. Thermate is cutting steel like butter.
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Why did this happen. But why was Bush just sitting there reading along to the kids why all this was happening. Military Jet planes were only 10 minutes away from the trade centers. Why were they not up there before the second plane hit.
Are they that incompetent. Look at the eminem video. You can see the blastpoints.
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At the demonstration at New York, They yelled at Bush a lot.
They could not film around Bush because there were too many black tshirts around
saying inside job.

So what do the demonstrators do. Well have you ever heard of the secret government. The council on Foreign Relations.
The demonstrators went to the CFR in New York and yelled "9/11 was a CFR" job.
Maybe a 1000 people, not sure on the numbers, but have the video of that.
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Because everbody knows Bush is just a puppet for these people.
Bilderberg is tied in. Once you understand how this works. It's criminal.
A lot of news people are members of the CFR. Dan Rather, and many others.
This is the shadow government, the one that's trying to push the North American Union. There are 4000 members.

In Canada, we have the Canadian Council of Foreign Executives, in the US we have the CFR. In mexico they have something similar too.
We know that the hijacker names never appeared on any aircraft manifest.
5 of them are still alive and have been interviewed.
Bush's brother was head of security of the trade centers.
That's why I said, there is 10000 pieces of evidence for inside job. Don't quote me on that exact number though.

[BigSwifty]

All that education and you're still a stupid SOB!!!

[btester1]

Twostep, where is the politics.
I mean you have to compare me with being democrat and republican. I could
care less. I'm not with any left right paradigm you may have.
I have my own research of the facts.
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It could be shown that I hate GWB, but actually later I have said, he is just a puppet for the establishment. I was at the protests, I was in person.
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You checked the thermite. I'm glad you did because it is possible right.
Your just not aware of a thousand other facts. Check Building 7.
Then you'll know something is really wrong.

[rdj]

I think you all should look at this video and then decide what you think
XXX.loosechange911.com/index_main.html
Change xxx to www

[BigSwifty]

Videos.. links... fuqq that... I know what I saw on that day... now the fruitloops are trying to say that the left wing media is stroking GW...

[btester1]

Everybody at work is sending me that link rdj. thanks
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I think 100 million people have seen that video so far.
It doesn't matter if thermate was used or not.
Plenty of other smoking guns.
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I would like the people who did this in jail.
People should check out the CFR and Bilderberg.
Those are the scum of the earth.
I ran up to limousines with the B symbol on them.
Yelling Terrorist scum, showing my sign.
The mossad, cia, rcmp all were there protecting them.

Considering what happened to other people that were there, I was definitely
taking a chance with my life. These people don't like exposure.
We had provocateurs in the crowd. People trying to incite violence. Trying to get
us in trouble. Be very careful when protesting, keep it peaceful.

[BigSwifty]

Best cure for peeps like btester1 would be an all expense paid week with the Taliban.

[btester1]

Swifty, there was close to 2-5000 demonstrating 9/11 inside job at Ground Zero.
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Bush is big trouble now because people are figuring out this stuff.
He was yelled at while he was in the pit. Bush is just a puppet anyway.
that's all for now.

[fubr]

Holy shit!!!!


official story?

read the 911 commision report and watch less Micheal moore movies.

that fat head is so full of shit and idiot belive what he puts in a film as truth.
Where is his report on the Canada school shooting?...He can name it curling for colubine LOL since ya'll dont go bowling......

[rdj]

Bigswifty you must be ex military brain washed I don't Know exatly what happend but I am willing to look at all the evidence before I make a decision I don't think we will ever have all the evidence but have you ever seen a plane crash where there was virtually no wreakage to be found I remember when the plane crashed in the everglades I think it was a panam flight they got almost all the parts and reconstructed the plane. Where is the recontruction of the plane in Pennsylvania and how do titanium motors dissapear virtually impossable!!!

[BigSwifty]

LMFAO

Titanium motors eh?

[rdj]

what the hell do you think they are made of????

[fubr]

loose change has been proven to be a idiot 18 or so year old kid doing a amateur doc.....
THERE was a engine found and also 500 mph plane hitting a fortified building WELL yes it is going to disintegrate most of it. If it was a hoax and no plane then where the fuck are all the people that was on that plane,

HEY maybe they stopped by a big hanger somewhere and unloaded them all and shipped them to the mountains and they now all work for Charlie under the mountain in a secret fortress in the SID........


Go tell this bull shit to one of the fine young PERSONS over there fighting so you can spew this shit. Might punch you in the face......Might not either way they do it so you can have this right.....RIGHT......

[BigSwifty]

what the hell do you think they are made of????

It's not a think with me.. so when you get it right... let me know!

[BigSwifty]

Oh ya and you can bet your sweet ass I was in the military...every french foreign legion flick... think of me.

[laurie11]

hi has anyone heard from brett and ang. im getting worried. oh and bucksnort.

[tkdusa]

And some animals stick their head up their ass... you are living proof of that.

And here is the proof this guy is a jack ass. Just like you imply bigswifty

Btester1:

Stop disrespecting the famileis who lost loveones on 9/11 by talking this bullshit that it is a conspiracy!! Youa total ass ..

Most likely caused by you head being there!!

[tkdusa]

Bigswifty you must be ex military brain washed I don't Know exatly what happend but I am willing to look at all the evidence before I make a decision I don't think we will ever have all the evidence but have you ever seen a plane crash where there was virtually no wreakage to be found I remember when the plane crashed in the everglades I think it was a panam flight they got almost all the parts and reconstructed the plane. Where is the recontruction of the plane in Pennsylvania and how do titanium motors dissapear virtually impossable!!!

another jackass appears... did btester1 find you in his ass when he was looking??

[greypower]

I didn't know that John O'Neil was Bush's brother.

[BenDover]

Mayb u should watch loose change second edition or 911 road to tyranny and then see those points and judge 4 yourself..

[alsouthster]

I thought at first, BTester, you were possibly just another eastern Canadian liberal who has the redass at the Bush administration...and there's plenty of those.
Hey, I resemble that remark ;)

Valiant effort Twostep but I don't think you're going to make these guys see sense.
I've argued with quite a few 911 conspiracy theorists and while they claim they have all the facts, it really is more like a religion with them.

The only thing I've found lately that momentarily stalls their train of (non) logic is this:
If Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al planned the whole shebang, well it ain't working out all that well for them now—both having plummeted to near historic lows in the polls with their party in disarray.

But even then the so-called "truthsayers" will counter that all the perptrators really cared about was the oil money anyhow, and there are deeper darker forces at work, from the Bildenburg commission all the way down to the Reptilians.

Maybe should get another argument going about teaching Intelligent Design in school as science, at least there us libs are on the side of the angels hahaha

oh and Fubr, "curling for columbine"? ouch that's in questionable taste, especially being as that's my hometown...
but funny...is that an original sick joke??

[evilcyrus]

America did that to them selfs..i heard reports of bombs bringin down the towers i love the peeps that can't see past things that they trust there goverment , bush is in this for oil and thats it.i still cant wait till someone gets him ... are world is going to sh#t .. the other day i drove past a church and the sign said support are troops well i thought wow .. this church is condoning war.. troops are trained to kill arnt they,, oh yeah dont forget to be ignortant and say sh@t about me and my post.. cause your american and your #1 ......

[btester1]

Fubr,
You believe 15 hijackers from a cave in Afganistan were able to pull that off.

You should think about that for a minute. Why no military planes up in the air.

[fubr]

ok on the blowing up the buildings on their own thing....
When did they sneak that much bombs in and how did they time it out just right, MUST have been when they built the buildings.
dang this shit goes almost as far back as the Davinci code theory

[btester1]

There were three buildings blown that day.

47-story World Trade Center Building 7 was not hit by any aircraft.

xxxp://www.youtube.com/v/LD06SAf0p9A

That's a big hole in the story.

[alsouthster]

Building 7?
Progressive collapse, chain reaction, unusual structure...and so on.

Here's a link to the Popular Mechanics story that debunked a lot of the conspiracy myths
hxxp://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y

Granted, PM is a Hearst-owned publication and we all know from watching Deadwood how evil the Hearst's are hahahaha

[fubr]

oh and Fubr, "curling for columbine"? ouch that's in questionable taste, especially being as that's my hometown...
but funny...is that an original sick joke??

no bad taste intended and if took wrong I will aplogize now..

Was meant as a comment to show how the Micheal Moore films are one sided against Bush and US governement just to keep the ratings up. Will he do a film about Canada..NO It wont sell as good right.

Any school shooting is a very bad thing and for him to make money off of it is in bad taste. It is not the hardware, (guns) that caused it. It is not the video games or the music it is the fact the guys who did it are fucked up in the head.


I mean what was in Hitler's cd case he listened to to make him do what he did?
What video games did he play to make him a killer?


HOW THE HELL did america bring on ourselves?
Our good neigbors up North better be glad they live next door to the big kid on the block. Dont get me wrong I wished at times I live in the great white.. Been there a few times and I like it alot!!
Few friends owe me a cold one on next visit :)

btester, yes I belive 15 Hijackers pulled it off with 500,000 bank rols and a few smart people behind the scenes helping.

I Have been on a few flights that I thought to myself that is I wanted to I could walk right in there and talk to the captain about this no smoking lamp. Hell he was right there behind one door, I could see him when whats her name went in there to take them coffee.

[alsouthster]

no offense taken Fubr, damn good joke
humour sometimes especially sick humour helps relieve tension ;)

[btester1]

I have read their article, it's just opinion with no facts.
NIST researchers are now looking at the possibility of bombs in that building last I checked.

Loose Change and Popular Mechanics debated already.
I saw the debate and popular mechanics clearly lost, because everything they
had to say came out of the government's story. Full of holes and lies.
They also tried to link them to Holocaust deniers. That's how low popular mechanices were.

Think for yourself, if 5 to 7 hijackers are still alive then the whole story is false.

[Starduster]

For the love of God, man, get a life. This crap has seeped into your brain and is playing havoc with the cells that reside there. Any sensible person can conclude that it take's very little thought to come up with a conspiracy theory about almost anything that has happened in this world, at any time. Are you old enough to remember the one about the man who discovered a way to use water to run your car's gas engine? I been around quite a while and have seen many such conspiracy theory's . Most of them have hung in there for years. "Elvis is alive" " the government knew the japs were going to bomb Pearl before it happened" "area 51 contains a saucer from space" "we filmed the landing on the moon in a studio" and on and on and on. If you had been born at a different time, a strong possibility exists that you would have latched onto a totally different theory to believe in. You must, for your own piece of mind try to understand that there are a certain amount of people in this world, who for whatever reason, are willing to turn logic into unreasonable thought. I know that you are a young inpressionable and intelligent guy who needs something to believe in. Some people choose religion, some people choose cults, either way, people hang onto whatever makes them feel like they are a part of a group, because people must feel like they are not alone in this world. You have chosen your "group". You now have friends that wear the same tee shirts and protest the same things, you and your friends do not argue nor fight with each other, because all of you believe in the truth, your truth, and it very difficult for you to understand why everybody doe's not see your "truth". Stop and think on your own, without others telling you what to think. If you insist on continueing down the path you have chosen, you will end up an old man alway's disbelieving the obvious and looking for the "real truth". Have a good life.

[btester1]

Journalists and scientists can't debate 9/11.
Journalism is just namecalling. Scientists come up with the facts.

[thalungz]

Those of you with recourses to download movies i suggest you grab yourself the Documentary "911 in Plane site" (not plain sight) then try n say it isnt a conspiracy. i said ---------> .

:)

[Bandit5906]

Just another "Truth Seeker" moonbat. What a waste of bandwidth!

btester1 it is time to seek some professional help!

[rua101]

Btester has a point and he does not need any professional help. watch the documentary
"Loose Change" on google Video and you'll be convinced that 9/11 was an inside job.
and just for the record, Micheal Moore has nothing to do with this documentary

[Starduster]

Btester has a point and he does not need any professional help. watch the documentary
"Loose Change" on google Video and you'll be convinced that 9/11 was an inside job.
and just for the record, Micheal Moore has nothing to do with this documentary Oh My God, tester has now brought his goofy friends into this debate. I wonder if they are all wearing a tee shirt with the same message? All it takes to convince them of any odd ball theory is a video that some kook made. In God's name, would you people go away from here and have a meeting of the minds somewhere else. You are not going to convince anyone here that the moon is a hunk of cheese. Shoo, go away, be gone to your dark and dank cobwebbed room. And say hello to Elvis.

[Twostep]

Hey, I resemble that remark ;)

Hehehehe:)

How are ya, Big Al ? Of course, you understand that comment wasn't intended to diss Canadians. We've got more than our share of lefties here.

And that's fine. It keeps things in balance. Republican/Democrat is fine; this country was founded on the two-party system and it works. Maybe I should say it CAN work. But we're not talking left/right here. This is the radical left, the kook fringe, the 1 percent that colors totally outside the box.

This bunch has all the techno-evidence they feel is necessary to prove 911 was a US-planned attack all along. But let's get past the physical if we can, and discuss the MOTIVE. WHY would the US government in general, and the Bush administration in particular, plan and execute such a thing? The theories all center around Middle East oil.

I'll discuss my opinions later, but let's hear yours, BTester and you other America-Did-It supporters - just how do you feel knocking out the WTC profited the Bush administration, as it relates to oil?

Your turn....

[btester1]

I actively demonstrate against this stuff.
It's gettting very popular to be with the 911 truth movement.

xxxx://xxx.911blogger.com/node/2892

[Twostep]

Keep something in mind as you read through BTester's posts...the man claims to be a physicist and programmer - and I suppose he is. Physics and programming must be his hobby, as his primary job is a professional protester.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt to BT at this point...he may not be aware of this, and I suppose it's possible it doesn't apply to his bunch...but the vast majority of these traveling protest groups are supported and financed by the Communist Party. Fact, not TwoStep's opinion. All of you have access to Google; go see for yourself.

If you need an education as to what the Communists would like to see happen in America, well...guess we need to start another thread.:)

[badger6]

If I may enter your discussion for a minute. 9/11 happened 5 years ago, in the past. I can't say bush had anything to do with it, but he is an idiot and only out for himself.

[lefty]

there was close to 2-5000 demonstrating 9/11 inside job at Ground Zero.

And they're still wrong.

You guys crack me up. You call this administration the most inept at doing anything - then you say they did 911. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying Clinton had anything directly to do with what happened, but his actions during his presidency were seen as weak by those that wish to do damage to our country. That's his legacy.

They percieved his weakness (cowardice) and worked towards thier goal. They acheived it.

And you say that Bush planned and executed (in 8 months) the whole thing.

Again, you guys cracked me up.

Explosions.......ya think maybe the floors collapsing one atop the next inside the structure could sound a little like an explosion?

You ever see concrete explode? No? Take a look at the Cypress Freeway pylons after the Loma Prieta earthquake. When concrete (even reinforced with steel) is stressed, it explodes. Boom, get it?

Yeah, I've seen those websites you blindly follow. They are not a joke. They are a travesty.

Personally, I think the towers were brought down by underground submarines firing invisible torpedoes from underneath, thus making it appear to be a controlled implosion. Mikeal Gorbachev was the sub commander, Henry Kissinger planned it, and those invisible torpedoes came from the underground milirary sites discovered in the Atlantis base that was found under Antartica by the Nazi's in World War II. They were fired by those two dogfaced boys from South America. They are the only ones who know how to handle them safely.

The videos of the planes flying into the buildings was 'programmed' by the media via mass hypnotizing anyone watching TV that day. The images are 'projected' onto tape by the overwhelming psychic power from the human mind. They aren't really there - we just 'see' them because of the programming.

And the smoke......did anyone see the dancing leprecahns in the smoke? I did. Three nude (male, ugh!) dancing leprecahns were clearly visible in the fake smoke. Sounds like I'm crazy, but three nude dancing leprecahns.....scary. NOTE: If anyone else mentions three dancing nude (male) leprecahns, it HAS to be FACT! Right? I think I'll start a web page, cuz my cousins bosses brothers ex wife actually saw a book cover owned by one of the Bush twins (Bush twins, Twin towers? Hmmmmmmm) that had three dancing leprecahns on it. In one of the photos of President Bush in the classroom that morning while he waited for all the destruction to be completed (so he could be safe in Air Force One), there's a book about three dancing leprecahns on one of the shelves. Nude? That just means it has to be exposed! Coincidence? I think not. This needs to be investigated! Someone PLEASE follow it up!

Any thoughts on these theories, please feel free to speak up......while you can.

[lefty]

Oh My God, tester has now brought his goofy friends into this debate. I wonder if they are all wearing a tee shirt with the same message? All it takes to convince them of any odd ball theory is a video that some kook made. In God's name, would you people go away from here and have a meeting of the minds somewhere else. You are not going to convince anyone here that the moon is a hunk of cheese. Shoo, go away, be gone to your dark and dank cobwebbed room. And say hello to Elvis.

LOL! :D :D
Well said!

[Starduster]

Now that we have dispensed with that gang of commies, please help me solve a real mystery. I came home last night and found that someone had stolen every last item in my house, and then replaced it all with identical items. Anyone got any ideas how this could have happened?

[alsouthster]

Not sure but it may be related to the bagged spinach fiasco

[moneyfarmer0]

i hate to tell you all, but the guy at the start is right in some aspects. there are growing rumors and films and FACTS to back it up(just type 911 conspiracies in google search), that point to the bush administration as the cause of 911. when you need to increase funding to black-ops and find a reason to go finish daddy's war, what better way to do it then the way it was done on 911. the videos I have seen, show clearly that there was no reason for world trade center building(i think it was #5) to come down. but it just happened to be a storage facility for government documents and such. the video also shows that it is virtually impossible for the 2 towers to completely colapse like they did. if you watch them as they fall,it looks just like a building being demokished by carefully placed charges. Oh, and just so you all know, I worked for Morgan Stanley, who occupied more floors than any other tenant in the World trade center. I spent a lot of time in those buildings, Ive eaten at the windows o/ world restaraunt at the top...many, many times. the elevaters in these buildings were big enough to park a car in. this was a very well built building. ask yourself in any situation, who benifited the most. the bush administration has created a whole new branch of government for christ sake. you could actually call it a black whole instead of a new branch of government. to date, since its start, $849 billion dollars has gone unaccounted for within the Department of Homeland Security. Thats Billions with a B folks! I've done my reading, now go do yours. It is a belief yes, but it is based on proven facts. again...google search words...911 conspiracies. Its some eye opening shit! good luck and good hunting.
peace
mf

[Starduster]

Here is a real fact, I have to wash my hands everytime I read crap like you just spouted, Peace to you too.

[BigSwifty]

Amazing this thread is still going on.

We have a whacko that comes into work spouting all this bullshit and whatever new conspiracy theory is floating around too. A "sheeple" if I have ever seen one.

My favorite was pre-Y2K. This loon bought 33 cases of toliet paper at SAM's. Not 33 rolls, nor 33 packages, 33 cases.

When he gets all wound up, I just ask him about all that TP and remind him that not 1 traffic light went down January 1, 2000 00:00.

Moral of the story, if you are gonna believe all the bullshit in the world, you are going to need lot's of TP :D

Edit: PS I never was in the french legion :D

[lefty]

may be related to the bagged spinach fiasco

Moral of the story, if you are gonna believe all the bullshit in the world, you are going to need lot's of TP

Gawd, but I love it here!

[Twostep]

This was a very well built building.

To date, since its start, $849 billion dollars has gone unaccounted for within the Department of Homeland Security.

Well-built depends on who you talk to. There's as many structural engineers who say the WTC towers were accidents waiting to happen as there are those who claim they were virtually indestructible. I personally don't know. I DO know they were of lightweight, unconventional design utilizing the outside 'skin' as an integral structural component. As I said, I can't say myself. Ask Bin Laden - he was a civil engineer and the 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, was a mechanical engineer. Hmmmm.

849 Billion in unaccounted funds within the DHS? Since its inception in 2001, the total GROSS federal funds that have been disbursed to this agency is 185 billion. Hmmmm.

Yep....proven facts....Google works.....:)

[BenDover]

Well-built depends on who you talk to. There's as many structural engineers who say the WTC towers were accidents waiting to happen as there are those who claim they were virtually indestructible. I personally don't know. I DO know they were of lightweight, unconventional design utilizing the outside 'skin' as an integral structural component. As I said, I can't say myself. Ask Bin Laden - he was a civil engineer and the 9/11 mastermind, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, was a mechanical engineer. Hmmmm.

849 Billion in unaccounted funds within the DHS? Since its inception in 2001, the total GROSS federal funds that have been disbursed to this agency is 185 billion. Hmmmm.

Yep....proven facts....Google works.....:)

No doubt bin laden did it..... He works for the CIA ....mastermind no ....CIA mastermind Yes.....

[fubr]

ok guys enough, Thread closed because not all of you agree with me!!

[fubr]

yes I am only kidding, that would be awful bad of me to censor such fine posting

[gitmocap]

Not into conspiracy but he is right about the secret Mexican, US and Canada deal that virtually creates an American union.
I do question why the US collapsed over Three buildings? Why we always say Americans were killed when most of the non responder casualties were not American? Why we can't realize that faulty emergency procedures caused the death of first responders and many others who were trapped by them going into the building and not evacuating it?* Why the Bush Administration was not held accountable for being "asleep at the switch"? Why we don't see the World Trade Center as a viable target militarily since it is headquarters for the most hated organization in the world?** Why any criticism or introspection regarding this event is blasphemy? Why anyone would trust the findings of the 9/11 commission the head of which helped ABC produce a fictional account of the events to slam Clinton*** and call it a documentary? Why all the horrors from the 50's films on the evils of Communism [Storm Troopers and Police everywhere, informants, eavesdropping, unqualified arrest and detention and no free speech], are now a part of every day life and we all seem to love it and want more of it? Why there is so much hate in both Countries and Britain that everyone feels comfortable with the killing and maiming and torture of Arabs who by the way are in their country and for the most part were minding their own business? I wonder how the American Muslims really feel because they have to be so intimidated that they would not dare to be honest. Why anyone who has his family anihilated by US Troops would love them****? Why no one seems to care that 90% of the heroin comes from a country with a US imposed government? Why even my Pope preaches hatred and welcomes a Protestant who is killing thousand in the name of freedom to give him and his wife medals? And finally why my brother-in-law can take a vacation on the beaches in Havana and I would be arrested if my family joined him because I happened to be born in a Country that preaches freedom but rarely practices it?
*Survivors are presently suing over the fact that many believe that their loved ones would have survived if the fire department didn't block the egress making a futile attempt at rescue. The rules and training have since been revamped for first responders saying evacuate the building first.
**Anytime the world trade organization meets anywhere in the world there are always massive demonstrations against it by people who understand what it does.
***I am not a Clinton supporter.
****Mass Stockholm Syndrome I believe.

[misterdsp]

I enjoy a good laugh, but this "inside job" line is pure bull and has been debunked a thousand times over, as anyone with access to Google can discover for themselves in less than a minute.

hxxp://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

[lefty]

hxxp://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Excellent read! The real facts. I applaud PM (for the book), our brave people (for thier devoted service and sacrifices), misterdsp (for pointing the site out), fubr (for not closing this discussion), and mili (for the tolerance since this forum is for quite a different subject).

This NEEDS to be more in the mainstream. I wish they'd make a documentary on it.

[fubr]

ok now there is one I believe, kinda.....
The secret not so secret Mexican thing do indeed plan on taking back Texas, Arizona and southern Cali without ever firing a single shot. They claim they will take it by birth-rite.

[Budreaux]

btester,

I'm still waiting to see you explain YOUR thoughts and show YOUR facts.

I don't mean linking to a google video or telling me to go google a broad term.

What I want/need to see from you is a post talking in YOUR real words, not something you heard or watched.

What research have you done to prove these ideas as facts.

It's easy to pass along a story or lecture, it's quite another to prove it.

To do so, you have to actually try and debunk your own theories in order to give them validity.

Anyone who is afraid to try and disprove his own theories to himself is someone who doesn't want to know the truth, even if his original thoughts and theories are correct.

To solidify one's own research, one has to be willing to look at every possible angle and answer each question.

Through this one finds facts.

I'm more than willing to discuss this event with you, but, I need to hear YOUR words, YOUR thoughts and YOUR research to prove what YOU are debating.

Budreaux

[lefty]

:DThey claim they will take it by birth-rite.

Or by birth-RATE!

LOL! :D :eek: :o

[Crow 492]

UFO's Are landing in 2010 hehe

[wasup]

Watch "Loose Change second edition" That is all the proof anybody needs.

What I can't understand is the Pentagon has no anti aircraft gun or even a camera to show what happened. Only a sixteen foot hole where a commercial airplane went inside and vaporized.

I counted 6 cameras at one intersection in dallas. Pentagon has no cameras. No black box? Since when do black boxes melt away? Come on.

Why did those planes fly around hyjacked for sooo long, when Pain Stewart's plane was surrounded in 15 minutes.


Why do people assume cell phones work 2,000 feet and higher?

Why did the New York Lottery pick three land on 911 on the aniversary of 9/11, and a chicago stock exchange company closed at 9110000000000 the same day. google it, i did.

Construction steel doesnt melt like that with jet fuel, wouldn't the engine its designed to burn in melt too?

I listened to the janitor of WTC interviewed saying he was rescueing people from the basement who were burned from the bombs going off. This was before the plane hit he said.

Wasnt Prescott Bush, grandaddy Bush have his money frozen for trading with Germany during WW2. I believe GW is a proud member of the Skull and Bones.

conspiracies are real, you can get arrested for conspiring to commit crimes. Theories are no longer theories when you got evidence, they are possibilities.

They are alot of us who love truth and we will be bashed.
Ok start the name calling and personal attacks hehehe thats all you got.

[lefty]

Watch "Loose Change second edition" That is all the proof anybody needs. mucho deleto Ok start the name calling and personal attacks hehehe thats all you got.

Didn't I see you on a book cover? Are you a leprecahn?

LOL! :rolleyes:

[btester1]

Hey lefter, I bet you love George's Bush.

[btester1]

Hey I'm all good for a laugh too.
hehe..

[Bandit5906]

Long live the USA!

God Bless America!

[badger6]

Long live the USA!

God Bless America!

Good words bandit. But remember that your defense is only as good as your weekest link. GWB = weakest link.

[Budreaux]

btester,

I'm still waiting for you to reply to my last post.

If you continue to post miniscule comments without addressing the legitimate ones, then your cause proves to be nothing.

If you are willing to come make your asserttions, then be willing to support them with the knowledge you have gained through YOUR research.

I look forward to a civil conversation, full of facts and not empty comments.

Let's start with a theory and then support it with facts from both and/or either side and see what we come up with.

Budreaux

[spanga]

how does the plane that crashed into the field fit into the conspiracy theory?....no, i haven't wasted my time checking the links or googlin farg all......wasted enough of my time reading this whole thread......i've never underestimated the incompetance of government and it doesn't take a big leap of faith to think that the government was incompetent dealing with 911 (and pearl harbour for that matter, since someone brought it up) before it happened vis a vis not acting on info or not sharing intel or what ever, but to actually believe they would directly perpetrate it is simply a marvelous exercise in stupidity......nixon was a sneak and clinton a lech....an i'm sure getting the ball rolling to go into iraq was a con job but bush a murderer of his own citizens on home soil?....give your head a shake!.....i'm canadian and wish i had a loonie for every looney conspiracy theory i've heard over the years.....btester, no one is going to sway your fanatic opinion, so i just wasted more time posting here....i'll guess you haven't had a thought of your own in years....google for your opinions and good luck

[btester1]

I have been to the Bilderberg demonstration in Ottawa.
Basically these guys own much of the world.
These guys basically decide what is going to happen in the next year.
100 dollar a barrel oil price and upcoming wars.
David Rockefeller is trying to push his North American Union.( read his book)
I don't want Canada to join US and Mexico. I don't like Globalism.
He's a very powerful man and well as the rothchilds bankers.
This is the Global mafia syndicate. I was demonstrating while
black limousines came in with the B on it. They meet every year in some place around the world.
This year was Canada's turn.
If your not a member of Bilderberg, then you won't get elected. That is why Hilary Clinton was there.
Harper and Martin were Bilderberg members. It's not a coincidence.
Elected public officials should not be attending these kind of events.
What will happen is the European Union will probably join to the American Union.
This new world order crap Bush Sr talked about.
You want proof, search the web or just attend the demonstration and try to go
in there. You will be shot. The people I was with were taken by RCMP to be interrogated.
We had provocateurs in the crowd trying to stir trouble.
Ask yourself why doesn't Bush secure the border with Mexico.
Why are they are building the Nafta highway.
9/11 was ordered by the CFR to happen. There was a big demonstration there
a few days ago. The council on foreign relations is pushing this American Union crap as well.
Look at the demonstration outside the CFR a few days ago. Look how many people.
xxxx://xxx.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/130906confrontcfr.htm
I mean you turn on CNN and if you count how many times they mention Al CIAda and terrorism.
It's almost every 30 minutes. They are running scared now because people are waking up to 9/11 crimes.
These bilderbergers own the media.
Sounds like a conspiracy but I saw it with my own eyes.
Quite different than reading something from the web.

[btester1]

Budreaux,
I have been to the protest at the Bilderbergers conference. What do you need to know about that.

Are you needing 9/11 proof.

[Bigsky30]

tester you actually ARE Alex Jones arent ya? hehe

[spanga]

you've got two theories running and you're trying to put them in the same pot...i'll go along with the rich trying to rule the world theory...that's not really a big shocker....ie. when did that start?....lmao.....leave out the 911 inside job crap and you'll find you come out of this thread as somewhat sane....cheers

[allanjames]

problem with conpirsy thereos is one the goverment is COMPNENT enough to do anything and two they can keep a secret .the presednt cant even get a blowjob on the side.
im canadain and really, im for getting rid of borders and fences, having one set of immigration laws for all north america (at least i could vote for a liar myself).borders and checkpoints is crap building a fence?really i thought the communist built fences. even going to a airport ,the terrorits have won ,the've changed our way of life.
i think there must be some reasons for people to do this crap, but to think bush has the smarts to "inside 9/11" ??please.a couple crappy sites on the internet as proof ?if your interested you can find or make anything you want thats not proof of anything

[Budreaux]

Budreaux,
I have been to the protest at the Bilderbergers conference. What do you need to know about that.
Are you needing 9/11 proof.
What I need is YOUR research.

Not your attendance in a demonstration.

Demonstration attendance means dick, other than you saw the outside of a building and various folks that went in.

You know not their purpose, their ideals, the opinions and reasons for being there.

It may ahve been in opposition for all we know....

Do I need proof of 9/11?

No.. I and the rest of the world saw it happen on the TV....

What I do need/want proof of is of your research behind your statments.

I don;t want you to give me a google link, because for every link you give me in aggreeance, I can give you one in opposition.

I want to hear YOUR reasons and facts, based on YOUR research as to why what you are saying is accurate.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Untill you start doing that, all you are doing is being a parrot.

And as we all know, parrots are trainable.

Budreaux

[btester1]

Budreaux,

Force = mass x acceleration
Building 7 was never hit by any mass
Force = 0 X 0 = 0

Therefore we can conclude that nothing hit it.
Violates the laws of science.

One hole in the theory is all it takes.

[Budreaux]

Budreaux,
Force = mass x acceleration
Building 7 was never hit by any mass
Force = 0 X 0 = 0
Therefore we can conclude that nothing hit it.
Violates the laws of science.
One hole in the theory is all it takes.
OK, so then do me one favor.... andswer this question.

To have a fire, one needs an ignition source and of course, a fuel.

So, to have a fire, we need to have some sort of force to create an ignition.

If you see no such ignition source present, then there can be no fire?

Correct?

[lefty]

Hey lefter, I bet you love George's Bush.

Too funny.....almost.

And it's lefty.

Can't ya get anything right?

Excuse me while I go puke.......Jimmuh Cartuh is on CNN telling us to appease our enemies.

[btester1]

Cheers Lefty!! No worries, I give as good as I get.

Did you hear about George Bush's male friend Jeff Gannon.
What a good christian he is.

[btester1]

Budreaux,

Does a burning log in a fireplace melt the steel below or even weaken it.
-
Have you seen a thermite reaction.
-
vector and projectile motion
North tower debris was found 600 feet away.
2 football fields of length away.
Projectile motion indicates explosion.
xxxp://www.pa.uky.edu/~moshe/phy231/lecture_notes/projectile.html
This is grade 12 physics.

[Budreaux]

Answer my question please.

[btester1]

If something exploded inside it would move upward, outward.
Building 7 imploded, fell faster than freefall.

Maybe you should repeat your point.
Force to cause explosion, you need to explain it more.
Are you saying there was fuel inside to cause the implosion.

[Budreaux]

Budreaux,
Does a burning log in a fireplace melt the steel below or even weaken it.
-
Have you seen a thermite reaction.
-
vector and projectile motion
North tower debris was found 600 feet away.
2 football fields of length away.
Projectile motion indicates explosion.
xxxp://www.pa.uky.edu/~moshe/phy231/lecture_notes/projectile.html
This is grade 12 physics.
North Tower was hit by a fucking airplain at a very high rate of speed. Where the hell did you expect the material to fall, straight down?

When the tower began to collapse, the sudden impact of material upon material landing upon itself creates a downward force. With no force to oppose it, the material will fly outwards.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

If the material falling and hitting the ground created an action of force, then by laws of physics, there must be another force of opposition, and with nothing to contain it, do you really think it is jsut gonna sit there in a nice neat pile?

[Budreaux]

If something exploded inside it would move upward, outward.
Building 7 imploded, fell faster than freefall.
Maybe you should repeat your point.
Force to cause explosion, you need to explain it more.
Are you saying there was fuel inside to cause an implosion.
My question was one outside of 911.

you want to talk about science as your proof, then answer my question I put forth to you about needing an ignition source to create a fire....


Since you are not going to answer the question, for reasons I can only assume is to prevent me from proving holes in your statements, I'll answer it for you.

Yes, to have a fire, you need something to ignite it.

So, without ignition we can't have a fire.

If I can show you that there is a case of a fire starting without any form of ignition, then I just proved science wrong.... by your definition.

So, that being the case, explain to me the documented cases of ...

Spontanious Human Combustion

[btester1]

Spontanious Human Combustion
That's outside my relm bud. You got me there.

If you bring a candle next to a fuel source. How can you measure the force of the match on the fuel. That's a tough one. Can you live after that.

What is fire. What is electricity. Those I believe can't be explained as of yet.

If we apply force to a small branch, it will cause the branch to fall over in the direction of the force. That's not what happened on 9/11.

[boobookitty]

Look if it was an inside job why would they waste goverment officials that carried out there work? I dont post much; but you better ask your boyfriend to let you just give him oral because when he is ramming you so hard he must be dammaging your brain because your head is so far up your ass? Look your so liberal that you problliy think that gun control is a good thing. Another thing you must agree with is that spanking a kid is abuse. I so sick of this bullshit excuse my language but these liberals are what is really screwing the world. I got spanked I never shot no one, I go to work , I'm not on public asst. So I looking foward to your next post that bush is dead already it's just like maxheadrom all the stuff we see. I'm not totally agreeing with everthing he does but he is not killinig inocents in the US to continue what his father left off on. Oh some rapper said it so it must be true thats a crock of shit.

[Budreaux]

Spontanious Human Combustion
That's outside my relm bud. You got me there.
If you bring a candle next to a fuel source. How can you measure the force of the match on the fuel. That's a tough one. Can you live after that.
What is fire. What is electricity. Those I believe can't be explained as of yet.
If we apply force to a small branch, it will cause the branch to fall over in the direction of the force. That's not what happened on 9/11.
This entire ordeal is outside your realm.

You choose to come here with it anyways.

A match next to fuel as an ignition source isn;t about force, it's chemical.

But all this is Science and you've chosen to use science as the backbone fo your arguement.

I can and will prove to you that scince can be discredited and even wrong in many cases that seem simple and straight forward.

I suggest you find a new basis for your arguement before we continue, because this one will lead you down a dead end path.

Show me YOUR research.

Stop being a damn parrot and give me YOUR views and information that YOU've studied to prove your arguement to be true.

Budreaux

[evilcyrus]

wow all i can say.. its all about OIL .. MONEY..bush loves oil. i've watched all the docs on this and all i can say is bush is a idoit.. simple... i don't feel sorry for the us a ever ... look what they did to hiroshima how many inocent KIDS WOMEN BABYS cmon BABYS KIDS...think.... if i had a say or had engouh power to unite us canadains i would pull everyone of my country men back home where they belong with there family KIDS and friends Grandparents.. we dont need more familys with just mothers.. and i'd leave the US troops there if they wont to come home.I dont belive in war i come from a country called CANADA and i know i'm respected around this world just sew a flag on my bag and i'm LOVED i proved it and so have alot of my peeps...and as just as much as someone else that comes from somewhere else other then the USA is ..The whole 911 thing is getting to big on tv to big in the papers and now its in the freakin theaters.... and things about the goverment being involed are getting light shined on them every day.. things don't add up eyewitness are comnig forward and if peeps wake up and smell the roses that there goverment don't give a shit about em .. they would see the truth too .. i think..and others posted here on this fourm .You all say it they can't be done... why can't it .. why not... if a small army of Osama can pull it off they can fuk i dont even think were after osama anymore i think the USA wants the oil over there ... don't want to harm it.... open the mind... abit stop thinking inside the box.. this ins't that little world anymore... rember it all ends with man vs man .. man killing mankind.. U can all belive what u want to belive but when there facts and missing peices i think we better start questioning..

thank you for your time.. i didn't say in this speech once that i hate american people i stated did not like usa .. the way the country is run (your power )

[boobookitty]

Look this is not the place to post this this is for information only not speculation.

[btester1]

I don't understand your spontaneous human combustion explaination either.

Friction will cause fire sir! rub some dry surfaces together.
Those are forces.

[boobookitty]

look you dumb ass liberal what about pearl harbor and all the slaves that where made by the japaness. Oh that dont matter,there was no innocents hurt in www2 other then when atomic bombs where dropped. Look you here why dont you learn to hack and watch the history channel. And then someeday you might relizie that there are mistakes in history and as long as we can learn from that and then so be it. Your probally living in your moms basement because shes affraid that your to stupid to be on your own.

[evilcyrus]

The best part about it .. is there always always the peeps thats want to shut it down.. waste of bandwidth .. like we all have something better to do.. i guess what is happeing is that someone is changin minds and we have to do what is best and that is shuting them up.. dont let the cat out of the bag.

its a fourm can't we talk... if you dont want to read go somewhere else.. wait a sec.lets not even use the internet cause i we might waste bandwidth..

[BigSwifty]

Oil?

What are you people smoking?

If it is/was about oil then that would mean we got more of it. Prices would decline not rise.

[evilcyrus]

boo booo u got me.. i live in a basement. cmon open your eyes.. strap on your gun and go fight for bush .. for 911 .. buddy for pearl harbour ...

[boobookitty]

Look it cost money to be posting is it yours? Not my money either but this site is intended for tv not about writting for tv.

[evilcyrus]

oil yes.. bush cares about oil only ... everytime that guy opens his mouth the word oil comes out..

[evilcyrus]

boobooo quite posting then... simple takes 1 less person offa the fourms.. go watch the histroy channel.

[btester1]

booboo
Your suffering from hardening of the arteries.

[boobookitty]

What country do you live in? Do you know anybody that died in 911 if not shut the fuck up. This is my country, and my famliy that sacrficed there life. And as I stated that bush is our leader that was voted in by the pepole for the people did you vote?

[BigSwifty]

A bunch of left wing dicksuckers with an agenga...and they aren't even from here!

[boobookitty]

No I just cant stand that somee one is saying my brother that was in the service for 8 years was killed by the job he loved best. I vote I live here I do not belive in welfare or free heatlh care for anybody that is not elder or physiclly handicaped or mentally, this excludes fat people because if they got a job they would not have this so called handicap that was made up by librals.

[Budreaux]

I don't understand your spontaneous human combustion explaination either.
Friction will cause fire sir! rub some dry surfaces together.
Those are forces.
I'm talking bout Science, more so, the holes in Science.

You are using Science to support that 9/11 was an inside job.

Basing the events as Scientifically impossible.

Spontanious Human Combustion was also considered Scientifically impossible, but yet we have documented cases of it happening.

So, how does one argue Spontanious Human Combustion is possible if Science says it isn't.

It's because of holes in Scince.

Now, Spontanious Human Combustion has absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11, but the fact that it is a freak of Science allows me to demand you use other factors than Science to support your arguement.


You are taking this as me disagreeing with you on the subject...

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I am merely holding you accountable to support the claims you have made.

I don't see anything improper about expecting such from such boasterous comments.

You started off on a negative footing here. Especially when you made the comment about questioning twostep's patriotism towards his fellow Americans.

You have no right or substance to make such a comment other than he disagreed with you.

You are in simple Parrot Mode.

You don't have single original thought in your arguement.

You are here merely repeating what you have heard and accepted yourself, without doing research to prove it true or false.

If you choose to be so blindly led, then so beit, but don't think you will be able to come in here and force it upon other people unobstructed.

America was founded by a group of people that were tired of opperssion.

Rebellious, that's what they were called, yet their initial steps was the first among many to build what you see as the great super power of today.

Don't think for one minute that we would sit back and allow one person, one goverment, to come in and take it away from us.

What you have to remember is that Americans make up the armed forces.

If the government was to attempt what you are claiming, you would see some very determined people taking up what the NRA is all about.

Those men and women, in the US Military, would have to make a decision as to follow the corrupted goverment that you are claiming or to step down and defend their rights.

With the history of our people, I can assure you, we will not sit by and let it happen without ooposition.

Now, I'm not in this conversation to bash people, I'm here to merely ask that you support your comments with hard facts, not googled websites or words that were taught to you to repeat.

I don't like Bush, I'll admit that, but I can say I didn't vote for him, in fact, I didn't vote for anyone because I didn't see a candidate that I felt was worthy a vote.

you can say that, since I didn't vote, I have no right to complain, but I say, NAY, I say you who voted for the ones making bad decisions have no right to complain.

If I had voted for anyone, even after feeling none were worthy, then that makes me a conformist, and I am anything but.

On the other hand, just because I don't like him doesn't mean me can't do anything right or wrong for that matter.

He was voted to the position of authourity and I will support anyone in such a position until it is proven he has done something of the level that warrants opposition to the level you refer to.

I say again, ..Prove to me your comments are just and true with facts and research that YOU are willing to do and have done, until then, you need to just keep quiet.

Budreaux

[BigSwifty]

Budreaux while I agree with most of what you say, I have seen documentaries that debunk the Sponetaneous Human Combustion myth too.

Btester1 is what is known as a pathological bullshitter!

[Budreaux]

Budreaux while I agree with most of what you say, I have seen documentaries that debunk the Sponetaneous Human Combustion myth too.
It isn't a MYTH if there are documented cases.

While I do agree it isn't a factual Science yet, I do believe, in time, it will be proven to happen.

To understand why or how, you need to understand how the human body works.

It has not or rarely been possible to observe SHC in action but experiments have shown that water on it's own can be made to product a violent reaction, after all it's two components are hydrogen (explosive) and oxygen, the food for combustion. The difference between life and death in our own cells is the action inside the cell, the firing off of microscopic chemical and electrical reaction producing relatively masses of heat. It would only take a malfunction of this process where instead of controlled firing off there would be mass reactions throughout each of a mass of cells producing a noisy, bluish flame of immense heat. Enough heat to consume bones to white powder never mind the water in our body which by the way would only act as further fuel for the reaction. The extremities do not burn because by the time the incineration has reached them they have been starved of oxygen enough to make the reaction incomplete.
J L Bird, Rotherham



Budreaux

[BigSwifty]

Budreaux I'm leaving this alone for sake of arguement.

I just think you could of used a better example is all I was trying to say.

[Budreaux]

I would agree with that, but it was the first thing that popped in my head, so I went with it.

I understand the mystery of SHC and the lack of evidence by either side to prove or disprove it, so as you say, for sake of arguement, we'll let it go.

Maybe we'll start up a new thread over that, after btester finishes up here....

/shrug

I'll say it now and stand behind it throughout this thread, he brings nothing original to the table, he is simply in parrot mode.

I've already seen several folks here that have watched the video and are now convinced that 9/11 is a conspiracy.

I do give the fella who did Loose Change credit, in that he did his homework on his piece.

Now, whether he choose to distort the facts or not, still remains to be seen.

I just want a civil conversation pertaining to the video and lets discuss the footage and memos, etc., that came to light in the video.

I'm not looking to hop onboard.. I just think it's an opportunity to have an interseting thread and see what kinds of ideas and information can be brought to the table of conversation.

I'm a sucker for a fun filled thread like that.

However, I'm certain, from his previous posting in this thread, that btester will be unable to maintain himself in such a thread.

It's hard to when you are working with other people's thoughts and ideas and not your own.

Polly wanna cracker?


Budreaux

[wasup]

Remember the Anthrax letters?
Perhaps the single most common refrain from the White House and the president’s allies is that there have been no terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since Sept. 11, 2001. That’s incorrect — about a month after 9/11, someone sent weaponized anthrax to two Democratic senators and several news outlets. Five Americans were killed and 17 more suffered serious illnesses
One woman in Florida who was widowed by the attack is still waiting for some answers, and she’s willing to go to court to get them.
Nearly five years after Bob Stevens’ death, the first in the anthrax attacks that terrified a nation, "I want to know what happened," his widow, who’s sued the government, said Wednesday from her lawyer’s office. "I want to go into court and find out what happened. What information’s obviously there. The truth is there."
It’s been five years; where did this story go? The administration stopped talking about it, the media stopped reporting on it, and the public stopped asking about it. Why is that?

[Budreaux]

Because blowing up big buildings in downtown NY draws more attention.

As sad a statement as that is, it's the truth.

The news broadcasters don;t do this for sympathy or moral reasons, they do it for ratings.

The bigger stories get the attention.

The more attention, the more viewers, the higher the ratings... more money in their pockets.

There are very few prominant writers out there looking to expose the things that really need exposing.

Sad but true.

[Nigel]

9/11 was an inside job, a false flag operation.
check out the demonstration at New York. Thousands of people.
Basically things are going to hell, and people had better to listen.
Canada and US have nice terrorism legislation.
Basically in Canada, they can put you in jail and keep you for as long as they
want. It's a very vague legislation.
We will lose our country to the North American Union.
The Union between Mexico, US and Canada.
If Canadians, don't believe me, go to
click on the north american union banner.
If Americans don't believe me, go toand you will see what it's about.
Martin, Bush and Fox, signed the Security prosperity and Partnership agreement in 2005 without anybody knowing.
They want to build the Nafta highway.
Say goodbye to your country by 2010.
:( goodbye Canada
;) take action!! This not a joke.
First page of bullshit was enough for me. I suppose you think the Holocaust and moon landings never happened too, right? Better get back in the real world before you hurt yourself or somebody, believing all these conspiracy's can drive you nuts.

[bigred3773]

Originally Posted by btester1
9/11 was an inside job, a false flag operation.
check out the demonstration at New York. Thousands of people.
Basically things are going to hell, and people had better to listen.
Canada and US have nice terrorism legislation.
Basically in Canada, they can put you in jail and keep you for as long as they
want. It's a very vague legislation.
We will lose our country to the North American Union.
The Union between Mexico, US and Canada.
If Canadians, don't believe me, go to
click on the north american union banner.
If Americans don't believe me, go toand you will see what it's about.
Martin, Bush and Fox, signed the Security prosperity and Partnership agreement in 2005 without anybody knowing.
They want to build the Nafta highway.
Say goodbye to your country by 2010.
:( goodbye Canada
;) take action!! This not a joke.




That's your opinion Now check out another. It will take a while to download, but it's worth every bit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&hl=en[/url]

[jmf38]

i agree with Nigel.
Dude, you must not be on the same planet to believe that B.S.
i'm not going to bash you,but this is no place to post anything about 9/11.
You must not be from the U.S. cause your post is disrespectful.
If you are from here then get on the same page.
i can't believe that you posted this.

[lefty]

That's your opinion Now check out another. It will take a while to download, but it's worth every bit.

Nigel, please edit the live link from your posting.

Thank you.

[Starduster]

Way too much bullshit in this tread. My shoe's are starting to fill. Stop the insanity. Opp's, too late the shit just hit my kneecap's.

[fubr]

no links
no more calling
even if they are assholes :)

Also
please carry on professoer Budreaux interesting questions you ask for sure

[Bandit5906]

A bunch of left wing dicksuckers with an agenga...and they aren't even from here!


Completely agree! A bunch of stupid, tinhat moonbats and to them I suggest that they begin to worry about the Islamo Nazis and not their ignorant "Bush is the waekest link" crap.

He is our leader and we elected him. Look at who you have for your leader?

[BenDover]

Completely agree! A bunch of stupid, tinhat moonbats and to them I suggest that they begin to worry about the Islamo Nazis and not their ignorant "Bush is the waekest link" crap.

He is our leader and we elected him. Look at who you have for your leader?

Thats Bulls**t, He stole the election, Remember Florida....(didnt matter if it was Bush or Kerry there both bonesmen, so the New world order have there man anyway)All you have 2 do is look at all the info and decide 4 yourself...Alot of ? needs 2 b answerd..Just because cnn or the news or alex jones says something dosent mean thats its true..look at all the info, then form an opinion.

[Ohms]

tinhat moonbats LOL!!!!

Pope says “There is no room for violence in religion" when speaking about Islam.
Muslims say "HOW DARE YOU CALL US VIOLENT!! WE WILL FIREBOMB YOU AND KILL YOUR NUNS INFIDEL.

[Bandit5906]

He stole the election? What rubbish. What about the media calling the election before the polls had closed? Talk about trying to steal an election! What about the libs not allowing the ballots from our servicemen who were overseas?

Get over it!

All the re-counts proved Bush won it fair and square

[rg6a]

All that education and you're still a stupid SOB!!!


Have followed this <T>hread and read all of those conspiracy theories long before this chap appeared here.

I have to conclude this is absolute, and now believe in Alien Abduction. Poor guy was taken to Alpha Centauri Galaxy and specifically the planet Bloorgh. The Bloorghezians took DNA and biopsied unused (read as virgin) gray matter and about 98% was suitable.

Probably for some nefarious end, which we are unaware of at this point and then deposited him back to his parent's basement where he resides.

I'm lining all the windows in my house with aluminium foil and suggest everyone follow suit, as it's the prudent thing to do.

[fubr]

still got more votes anyway right?

maybe I am stupid but to me I think he who get most votes should win?.

Thats why they made small states have as much Seats on senate like Rhode Island and MASS, That is plain stupid that they have as much votes on Senate floor as a big state.

[BigSwifty]

Stole the election....

Whaaaaaaa..... my pussy hurts!

Again I refer you to my post #145!

[Twostep]

Let's try a slightly different tack here. Let's look at some 9/11 evidence....starting right from the beginning - at 8:46am, Tuesday morning. The nation watched in horror as the first 767 hit the WTC, then about 15 minutes later as the second one struck.

Let's just talk about those two planes for right now. I've heard a couple of different theories. First, that the planes never even existed...that it was all trickery; smoke and mirrors; that cruise missles launched on Bush's command are what actually struck the buildings - and a rocket/missile hit the Pentagon. I ask you, is there anyone here - even the ones convinced that 9/11 was an inside job - that actually believes this?

The second, and most popular, theory I've seen from the Far Side is that the planes actually did hit the buildings - but that they were flown there by US Government-enlisted kamakazes, staged to appear as a Middle Eastern terrorist act. Same for the Pentagon and the field in Shanksville.

Let's debunk the plane theories, then let's talk about what effect 200 tons of Boeing 767, each loaded with 125,000 pounds of Jet A, smashing into a building at 450 knots - would have.

[lefty]

Nyaahhhhh..........let's watch football!

[owlman]

Watch this video and listen to some experts explain the alternate theory of the colaspe of the WTC's Towers. These people who are doing the explanations are professional construction engineers, and eye witnesses. They are not conspiracy nuts.
hxxp://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=15716

[lefty]

Watch this video and listen to some experts explain the alternate theory of the colaspe of the WTC's Towers. These people who are doing the explanations are professional construction engineers, and eye witnesses. They are not conspiracy nuts.

LOSE THE LIVE LINKS!

Geez, it ain't rocket science.........

[owlman]

LOSE THE LIVE LINKS!

Geez, it ain't rocket science.........Get rid of the Caps!!!! It ain't polite to yell at people...But for you that might be rocket science!!!!:rolleyes:

[lefty]

Get rid of the Caps!!!! It ain't polite to yell at people...But for you that might be rocket science!!!!:rolleyes:

It wasn't meant to be polite. So, I AIN'T GONNA BE POLITE ABOUT IT. LOSE THE LIVE LINKS. Edit the post and remove it. IT'S A RULE.

Abide the rules.

[spanga]

just watched cnn report on loose change creators....college kids!....made video for school assignment...no mention of for what course......then that ex radio guy came on with picture of 190 taliban attending a funeral in middle of afghani desert...picture taken by drone with missles aboard.....didn't fire at them because of rules of engagement...some moral issue about not firing on religious ceremonies...sheesh!...anyone doubt the decision making process?......btw, now i'm watching Myth Busters.....hmmm...maybe they should be turned loose on this one.

[BenDover]

It wasn't meant to be polite. So, I AIN'T GONNA BE POLITE ABOUT IT. LOSE THE LIVE LINKS. Edit the post and remove it. IT'S A RULE.

Abide the rules.

U can see that he tried not to have a live link (hxxp) I dont see Mod under your name..I hope u dont lose any sleep tonight over that :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Bandit5906]

U can see that he tried not to have a live link (hxxp) I dont see Mod under your name..I hope u dont lose any sleep tonight over that :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Hey! He originally posted a live link and then went back and edited it. You guys are way beyond reason. Go back to Daily Kos or Loose Change.

[BenDover]

Hey! He originally posted a live link and then went back and edited it. You guys are way beyond reason. Go back to Daily Kos or Loose Change.

I like prisonplanet better :) Have a nice night Bandit

[Bandit5906]

Hey! Is your brother Jeff Ucker...BD?

[Satan]

Tune in and watch some court TV...LoL...This way you can watch with your own 2 eye's...how a profesional can have a %100 diff view on the same set of fact's....cause that's what he's getting paid to say ...LoL

[Bandit5906]

Is that part of the Fox News Network?

[lefty]

U can see that he tried not to have a live link (hxxp) I dont see Mod under your name..I hope u dont lose any sleep tonight over that :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No, I'm not a mod (and I don't play one on TV). It used to say Lovable Fuzzball under my name, but that got lost in an upgrade.

Sometimes a raised voice is what is needed before a mod get's involved. He still hasn't corrected his violation of the rules. It's a simple click of the mouse while entering/editing a message.

I defer this issue to the mods.

Nah, no lost sleep here over that! :)

[spanga]

jeezuz peenuz....another thread hijacked...thought that was against the rules...lmko.....the rules of debating are pretty well known those that like to debate and i suspect that the original subject was raised to stimulate debate on a subject that has merits on both sides.....by definition we are in the correct forum to do just that.....took me a second to realize what was really going on here...it's a gosh darn old fashioned debate....someone gets one side someone gets the other and go hard, the truth doesn't matter, just the argument.....lawyer scenario.....classic!...the topic kinda tasteless though, but nonetheless it already out there so i guess it's ok to debate....jmho

[$$dollarz]

Hello,
I'm not on board with the conspiracy theorists but I do have questions about the events of 911. Obviously we have people on both sides of the issue that are supported by facts. I'll give you that there is no question that planes collided into the the two towers loaded with fuel and passengers travelling some 450mph. The buildings sustained massive damage and fire engulfed the floors that were pooled with jet fuel. I'll give you that this significantly deterioted to a point the structure of the two towers so that it collapsed onto its own footprint in a perfect pancake effect,but how the hell do you explain building 7 which was not struck by a plane sustained only superficial damage from the concrete fragments during the collapse of the 2 towers, had no fire damage and collapsed perfectly exactly as in a controlled demolition, c'mon even you staunch defenders of the official line have to contend that this was indeed very very strange.

If you argue that it was possible or probable then you must attribute by the same logic that the conspiracy theory is then also possible or probable.The question then becomes which pill will you take the red or blue?, "Welcome to the Matrix".

[mopar611]

No his name is banditover....Sorry for the hijack tester


Be nice BenDover..

I see you getting a little worked up here..

You are talking foolishly to the wrong peeps.

I got your back Lefty..

Mopar

[Twostep]

how the hell do you explain building 7 which was not struck by a plane sustained only superficial damage from the concrete fragments during the collapse of the 2 towers, had no fire damage and collapsed perfectly exactly as in a controlled demolition

This is actually a good question. One one hand, the physical evidence doesn't totally support the destruction of Building 7 as a result of Twin Towers collateral damage. On the other hand, there seems no motive for taking it down intentionally, whether it be terrorist-related or as the wingnuts would have it, Bush-related.

Here's a different theory. Larry Silverstein owned the building...he had 350 million tied up in it....the insurance paid 861 million....he told a FDNY commander that afternoon to 'pull it', after the commander informed him that they may not be able to contain the fires started from the collapse of the big towers....so yeah, it's entirely possible that building was brought down demolition style. There was no one in the building; no lives were lost. Probably a smart idea anyway, since structural damage making it unsafe to inhabit in the future was a real possibility. Not to mention the fact that Silverstein ended up half a billion richer.

Just because somebody may have purposely dynamited Building 7 doesn't mean the Towers met the same fate....one scenario can exist totally independent from the other. And, I can't imagine the FDNY demolishing a 47-story building, which in itself is a pretty damn big structure, under the circumstances at the time and just because the owner requested that it be knocked down. So, questions remain, I suppose.

[Budreaux]

Yup, I agree totally twostep.

In all this rederic, building 7 has raised an eyebrow. Not form this thread, but from previous time spent looking at it.

The question here, and we are going to speak hypothetically..... If #7 was intentionally dropped, then who had somethingto gain from it.

Forget who had the most to gain from it because, in my opinion, most doesn;t mean guilt.

Anyone with enough reason, no matter how far fetched it is, would be worth looking at.

As I said, look at all angles and try to prove/disprove as hard as the other.

Now, to clarify, I'm not on the Conspiracy train, I'm speaking hypothetically with an open mind...

Open Mind is the key here folks, we can discuss possibilities withou chosing to believe one or the other.

Budreaux

[Budreaux]

Budreaux,
Force = mass x acceleration
Building 7 was never hit by any mass
Force = 0 X 0 = 0
Therefore we can conclude that nothing hit it.
Violates the laws of science.
One hole in the theory is all it takes.
Ok, as much as I still want to keep this theoretical thread going, I still have to point this out to btester.


If one hole in the theory is all it takes, then what about several that were corrected by the producer of the film and the admittal that more remain, on purpose?

The original release of Loose Change Second Edition had several factual inaccuracies which have been corrected (or removed) in the recut Second Edition.[26] The most notable are:

T