Is this how Palestine democracy works?

[mili]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5402156.stm

I think I really would like a Palestinian neighbor. Every time I'd dare to fling dogshit over the fence he'd shoot an AK-47 back?
Seriously how the fuck can you expect Israel to make peace with people who settle internal POLITICAL disputes with a gun and still not consoder it a civil war?

mili

[Bandit5906]

It's all they know how to do: fight and kill. Most can't read or write and the women aren't allowed to learn to read or write. No idea how to run a business. No jobs, other than killing either.

Just animals with guns, IMHO!

[Twostep]

People in that region of the world cannot and will not EVER look at another person, or country, and say "We're sorry, please forgive, for the good of all, we need to work towards peace"....it's just not going to happen. To a man, they'll give up their lives before they'll swallow even the tiniest bit of pride.

All that bunch has to do is recognize Israel. Yeah, yeah, I know all the reasons why they don't....again, all Palestine/Hamas has to do is recognize Israel. Abbas suggested this a couple of weeks ago and Hamas took all of about 5 minutes to let everyone know this would never happen. So if Israel lobs a bomb or two their way on occasion, they have nobody to blame but themselves. American wingnuts blame Bush for all of this, but this is delusional lunacy. We're back to fundamental Islam again - bent on "spreading the teachings of Mohammed by the sword" and the annihilation of Israel. I personally don't think you can ever change that mindset.

Israel isn't a threat to anyone. They've not innocent of wrongdoing, but they aren't an aggressor nation. They're tired of half the world fucking with them around the clock.

Somebody needs to teach them folks how to program Rom102 cards; maybe they'd trade in their AK47's for ISO programmers.
Just think....free Al-Jazeera:)

[cojones]

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[Bandit5906]

What are the "teachings" of Mohammed? Kill, kill, hate, and kill a few more. Anything else means nothing unless it means to kill more. About the virgins: they are all clones of Sec. of State M. Allbright (AKA Notbright).

[Clowny]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5402156.stm
I think I really would like a Palestinian neighbor. Every time I'd dare to fling dogshit over the fence he'd shoot an AK-47 back?
Seriously how the fuck can you expect Israel to make peace with people who settle internal POLITICAL disputes with a gun and still not consoder it a civil war?
mili

Easy, just like the Bush administration won't admit that 60-100 dead civilians a day in Iraq is considered a civil war.

[$$dollarz]

Hello,
mili, twostep and bandit5906, I know your probably busy cutting eye holes in your pillow cases but I suppose that a plausible explanation might be you guys just dont have the mental capacity to retain any historical information of your country except for what has transpired in the last 5 years. How long and brutal was your civil war?, how many americans died at the hands of other americans? but again your argument would be, stop referencing what happened a century and a half ago, okay you want current data? check out the table below. Now tell me is this the rational of a civilized society or one on the brink of collapse?. I really dont think the US can criticize other countries. Now maybe if you guys are serious about this discussion and not just talking out your assess then I would google a search for a similar table on Iraq and look at the information pre US invasion and compare it to the current data. What you see in Iraq today is a reaction to the actions of the Invading and occupying forces.

h**p://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html)

[badger6]

Here we go again.

[mili]

Can you tell me which column says "killed because of a different religion or political stance"?
Can you also point out which colums says "blown up by suicide bomber cause a foreigner or Jew"?
You are trying to compare apples to oranges with this statistics.

mili

[turbocanuck]

Mili you are in my opinion just a third rate hatemonger!! you started off with your BS about Islam, and now you spew your BS about the Palestinians. Is it necessary to provoke this Shit? When you ask stupid questions as to where have you ever found suicide bombers being Jewish or when has religion or difference in opinion been the cause of violence, well i will try to remind you of certain things within the last 100 years that reflect just that!!

WW1 (white christian war)
WW2 (white christian war) + Hitler was a christian murderer too 6 mill. Jews. US nuking japan
Korean War (white christian war)
Biafra war (christian war)
Vietnam War(white christian war)
Lebanese civil war (zionist/ christian maronite war )
Central America war (all countries christian)
Gulf War 1 (zionist/christian war)
Bosnian war (Serb christian war)
Chechnya (christian orthodox war)
Rwanda war (all Hutu perpetrators christian)
Gulf War 2 / Invasion of Iraq (zionist christian war)
Afghanistan(zionist/christian war)
East africa war in Uganda (Lords army child soldiers, all christian)

This are just a few wars that the US/Israel/British AXIS of Liars have perpetrated on
us. Each and every war mentioned above was given a flavour of Christianity and Zionism by proxy. God was invoked at every turn.

let us examine Christianity for violence and injustices......

The Crusades. Barbaric christians frenzied with hate.
The Catholic church, their sex clergy of pedophiles and molesters, ties to the Mafia and underworld
Forced conversions by christians, colonizing Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Barbaric tortures by christian clergy in the Native American , Inuit territories, sexual degradation.
Apartheid in South Africa, a concept of rule taken wholely and solely from the Bible where millions were tortured, murdered and raped in the name of the christian god. These criminals invoked the bible by saying that it clearly states in the bible as the color black being evil and black people by extension of that belief.

As for you criticizing the Palestinian democracy, perhaps you should look at your own government and see what democracy really mean nowadays. detentions, incarcerations, imprisonment for anyone who doesnt see eye to eye with the government. Its amazing, that one cannot criticize the US govt. without getting into trouble. reminds me of the Nazi regime!! Democracy only if "OUR" guy gets elected!! Hamas was elected by popular support, Chavez was too, the list goes on and on and on......... s
so MILI when are you going to get your head out of your ass and look at reality? and worry about how to steal satellite TV (another of your moral issues) :)

[simon1]

its so funny how many ignorant people in here
i'm a christian with many muslim freinds and i would trust a muslim over a christian or a jew
to all you ignorant people who think some radicals makes a whole group evil
israel is not innocent in all this crap
allo this bs war for ? lol to fill bushes n company pockets
milli i though you more informed about reality but i guees you should stick to your 102s
americans were funding the people that became terrorists lol
sadam was an american freind till he stopped being a pupet
the binladin fammilly is verry close to the bush fammilly who you think funded george bush lol ''binladin family'' bush protected then even after 911

[tkdusa]

DON"T F*CKING CALL US THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE A GODDAMN PROBLEM!!! You all hate us when it is in your best interest to! When you need help to feed your poor appressed people the first damn number you dial is the oval office!!

Your radical islam assholes came to our shores on 9/11 and now we came to yours!!

Look how damn stupid these people our "I will blow myself up so I get virgins in paridise" what a weak minded POS can believe that you will be rewarded for killing innocent people of your same race!!

You don't like us there have all "your fighters" come out and fight like men!! don't hide in churches and schools come fight on a battle field and see how long it takes for us to kick the holy islam shit out of you then we will leave!!

Bottom point you don't want us to be involved DON"T ASK FOR HELP WHEN YOU NEED IT EITHER!! you don't get it both ways..

BTW see how much OIL you sell to your camal jockey friends!!

Not all muslims are bad indeed but any that stand and defend the radicals are radicals themselvels!!

[hughnohoo]

well you can all bomb the shit out of my house, but if I were a Palestinian, I would kill every Israeli who stole my land, bombed my house out of "suspicion of being a terrorist", and gave me NO fucking rights in my own country. Until the land issue is settled, no peace will ever happen there, and I don't care how many americans die for it...never happen ! (Can you hear me now W ?)
I think most arabs don't really give a shit about the jews, except that, just like the US in Iraq, they feel the jews are in MY backyard.....if the jews would move Israel to say, Montana, end of fucking problem.
Now fire away you patriots !
And yes, I DO have LOTS of friends who are jews..worked for them, and with them all my life.

[tkdusa]

well you can all bomb the shit out of my house, but if I were a Palestinian, I would kill every Israeli who stole my land, bombed my house out of "suspicion of being a terrorist", and gave me NO fucking rights in my own country. Until the land issue is settled, no peace will ever happen there, and I don't care how many americans die for it...never happen ! (Can you hear me now W ?)
I think most arabs don't really give a shit about the jews, except that, just like the US in Iraq, they feel the jews are in MY backyard.....if the jews would move Israel to say, Montana, end of fucking problem.
Now fire away you patriots !
And yes, I DO have LOTS of friends who are jews..worked for them, and with them all my life.

I agree with you that there will be no peace until the land issue is solved, my only question is Why did the jews take the land in the first place? was it not because all the arabs were going to over run them and the jews found out and attacked first? let that be a lesson to the arabs.. they had a problem with the jews way before the war when they "took " the land..

[cold iron]

Arabs prove that the ancient Pharaoh's of Egypt fucked camels.

[koolsam2004]

i have some questions for you guys:
when us went to iraq, they wanted sadam. now he is gone, why are they still there.
us is forcing UN to go to sodan, why?
gulf war is done, and since sadam was the reason, he is gone why are they still in the gulf??
As for you criticizing the Palestinian democracy, perhaps you should look at your US government and see what democracy really mean nowadays. detentions, incarcerations, imprisonment for anyone who doesnt see eye to eye with the government. Its amazing, that one cannot criticize the US govt.
when the war started back in Aug. with Leb and Isreal, US send the Dum (like who invented them) Bums so they can kill only civilians?? correct.
israel is allwod to get wepons but no one els, they are allowed to have the Nuclear but no one els. this is just amazing how you guys look at it from one side. ( from your ass) maybe you should look and think and use your brain for once.
and if you can find answer for all these questions please let me know.

[kurjiboo]

WW1 (white christian war)
WW2 (white christian war) + Hitler was a christian murderer too 6 mill. Jews. US nuking japan
Korean War (white christian war)
Biafra war (christian war)
Vietnam War(white christian war)
Lebanese civil war (zionist/ christian maronite war )
Central America war (all countries christian)
Gulf War 1 (zionist/christian war)
Bosnian war (Serb christian war)
Chechnya (christian orthodox war)
Rwanda war (all Hutu perpetrators christian)
Gulf War 2 / Invasion of Iraq (zionist christian war)
Afghanistan(zionist/christian war)
East africa war in Uganda (Lords army child soldiers, all christian)

This are just a few wars that the US/Israel/British AXIS of Liars have perpetrated on
us. Each and every war mentioned above was given a flavour of Christianity and Zionism by proxy. God was invoked at every turn.


Rrrrr. i would guess you are muslim. Maybe i'm wrong, but I guess that because muslims seem to blame things on religion. A neighbor who is muslim told me that the reason we are in iraq is religion and not oil. No. Not the US.

I am willing to concede that maybe the israel/palonstine war is about religion but people in the US don't care about that. Christianity is on the decline here even though the population is increasing. Money is on the top of peoples prioritys in the US, then maybe religion somewhere near the lower half. There are a few exceptions, but a few. Religion does not get people elected here, only money. Sure all are presidents have been christian, but that doesn't really mean anything. Most people here are christian.

Your other points are valid though. Politicians consider people who are against them terrorists. Hamas really isn't that bad. Heck, they do a better job rebuilding then the bush administration (flood damage from summer '05 STILL isn't fixed). I would argue that hamas is ok, except that they make it all about religion.

When we kicked the brits we said 'hey, we're are own country, go back to your own.' but they can still hang out with us. We're not against everyone from england. we just wanted them the fuck out. and once we killed enough of them they were ok with it. Some arabs got kicked out so the jews could move in. Big deal, shit happens. they have the west bank. make a home there. no, thats not okay because arabs blame things on religion. Its now a religious fight. Well as long as people make it about religion, it will never get resolved.

Unless both sides will stop making it about religion, this issue will not get resolved. Since I don't think they will stop, I really wish both sides would do all out battle, not this hit and run shit. I say arm every citizen and let them fight it out. Only one side will emerge and the other won't be around to complain that it lost. Genocide? sure, but at least the conflict will be over.

[hughnohoo]

lets go back to the 1940s...when there was no israel, only palestine...the jews were the terrorists them (read your history and see), and when they convinced the Un and britain that they couldn't kill off all the jews...the jews were given the land by britain, who btw did not own it....it was a british COLONY.
Thats why I say move em all somewhere else...how about wyoming...theres only about 150,000 people there anyway...so which do you want wyoming: couple million arabs or couple million jews ? Hey, its for peace guys ! lol
And if you're going to let the fight it out..be equal..give both sides the same weaponry.

[mili]

I love it how you guys tell me to take a look at my goverment. My goverment is the Bahamain goverment not the USA one on one hand and I said (if you can read) before that ALL regligions are guilty of mass human rights violations and we are better off with none in my opinion. With that in mind I would still like to ask you to show me Jews and Christians strapping explosives to themselves and go and blow children up in the past 50 years. Also would like you to show me when the Democtrats in the USA threatened the Bush administration to kill its officials?
How about the JEws? THey surely got enough weapons and a volatile situation to go kill some Likud members of their own? WHy is it that we don;t hear those stories? Censorship?
You are truly missguided if you call me a racist as my black friends greatly outnumber my white friends and the Christian bigot thing won't fly either me being a staunch atheist so find another angle will ya?

mili

[hammer169]

I am a blithering idiot. Please kick me

[Twostep]

Rrrrr. i would guess you are muslim.
Nope - Eastern Canadian Liberal.

My Dad visited that area a few years back, and informed me that he felt far safer when he was in communist Hungary, back when the KGB was in charge. Americans are as welcome in Toronto as the West Nile virus. A former ECL moderator on this site, in a fit of rage, resigned and gave up testing altogether - as a direct result of his animal hatred for America, Americans and George Bush in particular.

If you look at the 500 combined posts of this thread and the 9/11-Inside Job thread, I'd say 90 percent of the Blame-The-USA-For-EVERYTHING crowd is Eastern Canadian - maybe even more.

Well, I'm all for looking in the mirror when it's justified - so, ya'll tell me - what has the USA done to Eastern Canadians to get them so riled up?

I will agree on one point, those of you that are basically stating that the United States needs to keep its' nose out of other countries' business...if I had the power, I'd seal off the whole place and do exactly that. No more US intervention - which also means no more US support (handouts), commerce or immigration. Not one US troop outside our borders. Every other country on the planet just forget we even exist.

TKDUSA would probably just say FUCK YOU, but I decided to be nice.:p

[dilbert]

There will be no Human advancement
with this type of personal presentation.

This thread should be closed ,
and removed from the site.

[lefty]

I think you should stop writing things that you are not aware of and put your attention to were it needs to be. You have outstanding settlements with people whos subscriptions to your everything pack were shut down. I believe you should settle your accounts. Then you could focus on other areas. You are not a nice business man. The word is getting out on you.

Gee hammer, tell us how you really feel.......:D :D :D

Or take it to email......this is Politics......

Thpt!

[alsouthster]

Twostep your dad should have come to Montreal. We'll show him a good time. Especially if he likes strip clubs.
Hell sometimes when I go to Toronto I feel like I'm in the Soviet bloc.
But honestly I think most Canadians, liberals and conservatives, like, admire and even envy Americans. Toronto for one is very much wannabe New York.
There is a good portion though who have a problem with the the Bush regime. This is not just east coast libs though...it's people of all stripes from around the world
and, to veer off into Canadian politics, if Ignatieff wins the Liberal leadership, I ain't voting Liberal...he's a liberal hawk pro-Iraq invasion egghead who hasn't really lived in canada in 30 years.
so then I'll be an East coast...uh ...GREEN
argh

[alsouthster]

p.s Montreal is getting a Nascar event next summer so you may wanna schedule trip around that.

[tkdusa]

Nope - Eastern Canadian Liberal.

My Dad visited that area a few years back, and informed me that he felt far safer when he was in communist Hungary, back when the KGB was in charge. Americans are as welcome in Toronto as the West Nile virus. A former ECL moderator on this site, in a fit of rage, resigned and gave up testing altogether - as a direct result of his animal hatred for America, Americans and George Bush in particular.

If you look at the 500 combined posts of this thread and the 9/11-Inside Job thread, I'd say 90 percent of the Blame-The-USA-For-EVERYTHING crowd is Eastern Canadian - maybe even more.

Well, I'm all for looking in the mirror when it's justified - so, ya'll tell me - what has the USA done to Eastern Canadians to get them so riled up?

I will agree on one point, those of you that are basically stating that the United States needs to keep its' nose out of other countries' business...if I had the power, I'd seal off the whole place and do exactly that. No more US intervention - which also means no more US support (handouts), commerce or immigration. Not one US troop outside our borders. Every other country on the planet just forget we even exist.

TKDUSA would probably just say FUCK YOU, but I decided to be nice.:p


LMAO guess you figured me out..LOL

you say your a eastern canadian liberal... but sealing the border and giving no handouts is not much of a liberal attitude...:)

I will say I do not believe everything with the USA and the jews are correct and right. However I must say when you get down to it our sins IMO are nowhere as bad as that of radical islamic peeps...

We have a crap load of problems here at home Maybe if we stopped worring about everybody else and took care of ourselves we would be better off and alot richer!! But that is not the US way look at WW2 we get sneak attacked by the JAPS then we completly destroy them then we spend all of our money rebuilding them and now they are one of our closes allies. We did the same with germany... For all the complaing that goes on if everybody stepped back and looked where the world would be if not for the USA people may change their attitude a small amount!

To the question of why are we still in IRAQ.. well if the dumb asses there would stand up and take care of themselves instead of acting like total idiots blowing themselves up we would be able to leave. Do you really think anybody wants to be there? Give me a break..

Twostep hopefully this was better than just the simple FUCK YOU but sometimes that is what is needed hell with all the bullshit..:)

[genehackman]

You want history ...... Well,

1. When Jews left Egypt a long time ago they went on to conquer Israel - just because thats how shit got done back then.
2. King David and King Solomon went on to expand the Kingdoms - just because thats how shit got done back then.
3. Ever since, Israel has been getting smaller.

Right of Return?? I love hearing that line of Shit.
The Indians should use that on New York - See how fast Bloomberg gives them 5th Ave.

In the Modern world - It is how it is. Nobody will ever conquer anybody's land again. Palestinians need to get some internet access or some modern day textbooks not written by their late leader - Arafat. Wake up! It ain't gonna happen - Take your shit and go settle in the Islamic Republic of France or Dearborn, MI. Now that is how you conquer land in todays world.

Either way you can't ever justify the shit some of these bomb strapped assholes do. How could anybody compete with some idiot who wants to blow himself up and take down others for Allah. Personally I wouldn't do that shit for anything less than 140 virgins and 10 super experienced Sluts. But hey, thats just my opinion.

[hughnohoo]

Either way you can't ever justify the shit some of these bomb strapped assholes do. How could anybody compete with some idiot who wants to blow himself up and take down others for Allah. Personally I wouldn't do that shit for anything less than 140 virgins and 10 super experienced Sluts. But hey, thats just my opinion.
Couldn't agree with you more, BUT
since they have no air force, no nucular (bushism) bombs, no tanks, etc...they use what they have: themselves.
Not nice or tidy like dropping bombs from 40,000 feet, but it gets results.
Their only other option is to vote with their feet, and millions are ! Ask anyone living anywhere in Europe.

[tkdusa]

You want history ...... Well,

1. When Jews left Egypt a long time ago they went on to conquer Israel - just because thats how shit got done back then.
2. King David and King Solomon went on to expand the Kingdoms - just because thats how shit got done back then.
3. Ever since, Israel has been getting smaller.

Right of Return?? I love hearing that line of Shit.
The Indians should use that on New York - See how fast Bloomberg gives them 5th Ave.

In the Modern world - It is how it is. Nobody will ever conquer anybody's land again. Palestinians need to get some internet access or some modern day textbooks not written by their late leader - Arafat. Wake up! It ain't gonna happen - Take your shit and go settle in the Islamic Republic of France or Dearborn, MI. Now that is how you conquer land in todays world.

Either way you can't ever justify the shit some of these bomb strapped assholes do. How could anybody compete with some idiot who wants to blow himself up and take down others for Allah. Personally I wouldn't do that shit for anything less than 140 virgins and 10 super experienced Sluts. But hey, thats just my opinion.


AMEN!!! and I like the 10 sluts added to the virgins.. nice lil twist!!

[mili]

I guess Gandhi should have blown the Brits up instead of organizing a peaceful resistance that eventually threw the colonists out? The Palestinians tend to put their feet in their mouths every time the world is about to take their sides. Running around like animals with blood dripping from their hands after taking to an Israely soldier apart a few years back comes to mind.

mili

[barabbas]

There hasn't been a palestine since 1948.
Why do they call themselves palestinians?
Somebody should remind those people they lost the war.

[turbocanuck]

There hasn't been a palestine since 1948.
Why do they call themselves palestinians?
Somebody should remind those people they lost the war.

little knowledge is dangerous my friend. in case you didnt know, Palestine is still a legitimate country. just refer to countless UN resolutions against Israel. one thing is for sure. solve the Israel/Palestinian problem, give the Palestinians their Homeland in Gaza and the West Bank with East Jerusalem as its capital, Give a VIABLE guarantee to Israel of its safety from its enemies and the whole goddamn mess in the world will dissappear in a second. GUARANTEED!! Palestine and Israel in peace can become a powerhouse in the region which can compete with the likes of Dubai and Sharjah. WOW!! it is possible. But when targetted assassinations, kidnappings are the norm of the day in that region, forget it. And i believe the US has clout to make that happen but just wont. go figure........:)

[genehackman]

Yea maybe were all wrong here - Let me pose a question. Lets say Bush gives Hamas the 3 billion allocated toward that region for just one year? Does anybody really believe that the technologically advanced Hamas jihadists would use that money to bring stability and peace to their region? I'm not sure, but If I had to guess, If the Palis got 3 Billion tomorrow I would be willing to bet that 3.01 Billion goes into mass producing more suicide bombs and belts and their government would still be in debt. These guys will spend every last penny they make to accomplish their mission of destroying Israel and replacing it with an Islamic state. The Arab Israeli conflict has one way out and with Iran producing a nuke with capabilities of hitting central Israel I for one believe that their first test firing will somehow make its way to Tel Aviv. So It's either Iran sends the missile and wipes out a bunch of Israelis and Palis at the same time then Israel has to respond (bec the living palis will be handing out sweets) or Israel drops a targeted "wipeout" weapon and puts these guys back in line. Hey - don’t get so emotional - It worked with Japan and their Kamakazis.

But realistically, does anybody believe it can negotiate with a bomb strapped asshole whose only lesson in life was a good jew is a dead jew. If you answered yes you just keep your liberal ignorance to yourself and amnesty International - because your moral equivalence meter could use an overhauling.

What the hell is this post doing here anyways - HEY WTF happened to my TV- ahh - Fake keyroll - feeble minded idiots.

[newtester10]

In reply to the original post: It sounds like the old west, doesn't it? It worked for us, didn't it?

[sundeval]

Eastern Canadian Liberal....nuff said. Im still embarrassed on how that dick head Cretian reacted to the 9/11 events, how he didnt stand by our like it or not #1 allie and neighbor in the U.S. before the Iraqi war. The Liberal government was on the brink of ruining this country , thankfully they are no longer in power. As for blaming all the wars listed on the Christian religion, give your fucking head a shake you misinformed fool. The only people who fight wars in the name of religion now are the extremist islamic people. WW 2 was not a christian war, if you knew your history, Hitler's Germany worshipped pagan/christian forms of religion. He didnt kill Jewish people because of their beliefs, he tried to wipe out the race because he thought they were the cause of Germany losing WW 1 and that they were financially affecting German economics. You seriously think either Bush sent troups over to the middle east in the name of Jesus ??...holy crap youre an idiot....it was about oil and money. Find me a Christian country that says become Christian or die.....there arent any. A muslim man, woman, or child has every oppurtunity to come to Canada or the United States and make a life for themselves. Im not saying everything is perfect and there is racism but on a whole, there is a great chance for a peaceful, prosperous life. Flip the coin, and send a Christian man, woman or child to a muslim country and it is not the same. Myself being blonde and green eyed caucasian male, would never survive let alone making a prosperous life for myself over there. Many of you say you have lots of jewish, muslim, black,white etc, friends .....which is great. How many citizens of Iraq, Iran or Palestine who live there can say the same?? I side with Mili on this topic, im in no way a racist, but i have strong opinions on what goes on over there. Im allowed to have my opinions on religion where i live and publicly state them without fear of incarnceration or worse yet, death. As soon as someone, ie. Rushdi or a newspaper cartoon has indifference with the islamic religion, there are death threats and calls for islamic war , blah, blah, blah...it sickens me. Someone mentioned how we throw people in jail for certain crimes they have commited , saying it wasnt fair or right. Explain to me driving over a young childs arm with a truck because he stole some food, cutting off a mans hand for stealing, stoning a woman to death for adultery or prohibiting females from learing how to read or write is fair and correct. Everything in the society i live in isnt always fair or correct, but at least i can state my opinions like now without fear of death or conviction: i can raise my daughters knowing that they have every equal oppurtunity as myself or the next person has/had to succeed in life, and i know i can walk down the street in most places and not have any fear of being murdered or kidnapped because of the colour of my skin or the religion i believe in. For those of you who hate our society and have nothing good to say about it, ...leave, see how long you last over there. I admit there are things i hate about our government, but nobody or nothing is flawless, never will be. In conclusion, there are good people in every race and religion, but IMO, the extremist muslims are the problem of the world, they cant even live peacefully with themselves, let alone with other races or religion based peoples.

[sundeval]

Eastern Canadian Liberal....nuff said. Im still embarrassed on how that dick head Cretian reacted to the 9/11 events, how he didnt stand by our like it or not #1 allie and neighbor in the U.S. before the Iraqi war. The Liberal government was on the brink of ruining this country , thankfully they are no longer in power. As for blaming all the wars listed on the Christian religion, give your fucking head a shake you misinformed fool. The only people who fight wars in the name of religion now are the extremist islamic people. WW 2 was not a christian war, if you knew your history, Hitler's Germany worshipped pagan/christian forms of religion. He didnt kill Jewish people because of their beliefs, he tried to wipe out the race because he thought they were the cause of Germany losing WW 1 and that they were financially affecting German economics. You seriously think either Bush sent troups over to the middle east in the name of Jesus ??...holy crap youre an idiot....it was about oil and money. Find me a Christian country that says become Christian or die.....there arent any. A muslim man, woman, or child has every oppurtunity to come to Canada or the United States and make a life for themselves. Im not saying everything is perfect and there is racism but on a whole, there is a great chance for a peaceful, prosperous life. Flip the coin, and send a Christian man, woman or child to a muslim country and it is not the same. Myself being blonde and green eyed caucasian male, would never survive let alone making a prosperous life for myself over there. Many of you say you have lots of jewish, muslim, black,white etc, friends .....which is great. How many citizens of Iraq, Iran or Palestine who live there can say the same?? I side with Mili on this topic, im in no way a racist, but i have strong opinions on what goes on over there. Im allowed to have my opinions on religion where i live and publicly state them without fear of incarnceration or worse yet, death. As soon as someone, ie. Rushdi or a newspaper cartoon has indifference with the islamic religion, there are death threats and calls for islamic war , blah, blah, blah...it sickens me. Someone mentioned how we throw people in jail for certain crimes they have commited , saying it wasnt fair or right. Explain to me driving over a young childs arm with a truck because he stole some food, cutting off a mans hand for stealing, stoning a woman to death for adultery or prohibiting females from learing how to read or write is fair and correct. Everything in the society i live in isnt always fair or correct, but at least i can state my opinions like now without fear of death or conviction: i can raise my daughters knowing that they have every equal oppurtunity as myself or the next person has/had to succeed in life, and i know i can walk down the street in most places and not have any fear of being murdered or kidnapped because of the colour of my skin or the religion i believe in. For those of you who hate our society and have nothing good to say about it, ...leave, see how long you last over there. I admit there are things i hate about our government, but nobody or nothing is flawless, never will be. In conclusion, there are good people in every race and religion, but IMO, the extremist muslims are the problem of the world, they cant even live peacefully with themselves, let alone with other races or religion based peoples.

[hebrewdiver]

I love it how you guys tell me to take a look at my goverment. My goverment is the Bahamain goverment not the USA one on one hand and I said (if you can read) before that ALL regligions are guilty of mass human rights violations and we are better off with none in my opinion. With that in mind I would still like to ask you to show me Jews and Christians strapping explosives to themselves and go and blow children up in the past 50 years. Also would like you to show me when the Democtrats in the USA threatened the Bush administration to kill its officials?
How about the JEws? THey surely got enough weapons and a volatile situation to go kill some Likud members of their own? WHy is it that we don;t hear those stories? Censorship?
You are truly missguided if you call me a racist as my black friends greatly outnumber my white friends and the Christian bigot thing won't fly either me being a staunch atheist so find another angle will ya?

mili

Do you think having black friends/associates means that you can't be racist? Are blacks the only race on this earth? Maybe you call them friends because they agree with whatever you expect them to. I wonder if they consider you a friend. Does being a atheist mean you don't believe in anything that your mind won't allow you to comprehend? You may not be a christian bigot but just a bigot. i'm a Hebrew Israelite, African ancestry, American born (USA) not republican or democrate. I say both side have their faults Israel and Palistine. This new US leadership as Chavis says is full of demons yes devils but you don't believe that beacuse you are atheist. Kill, kill, kill, take, take, take and/or have someone do it for them and they do it all in the name of G-D. From my teachings in most things that is what the devil does that is the meaning of evil. Lie and deceive as in Iraq and 911. Last thing if you throw any kind of shit in my yard, mental, physical, or spiritual, I'll bust a cap in your ass as well. That coming from a true American and black one at that. So keep the peace and your shit in your own yard........peace and respect

[Twostep]

LMAO guess you figured me out..LOL

you say your a eastern canadian liberal... but sealing the border and giving no handouts is not much of a liberal attitude...:)

Hahaha...no, tkdusa, I'm not a Canadian Liberal. Kirjiboo commented to someone "you must be Muslim"...to which I responded as a third party.

I'm a southern US conservative....sorry.....and I'd still like to know why Eastern Canucks are so down on the USA.

Thanks for the invite, Alsouthster. I should come - we could have some interesting talks, methinks....:p

[Clowny]

But realistically, does anybody believe it can negotiate with a bomb strapped asshole whose only lesson in life was a good jew is a dead jew. If you answered yes you just keep your liberal ignorance to yourself and amnesty International - because your moral equivalence meter could use an overhauling.

I suppose destroying a whole country's infrastructure and starting an all out war and displacing over a million lebanese and a million of your own citizens over a couple kidnapped soldiers is a sign of a government willing to negotiate.

[BigSwifty]

....and I'd still like to know why Eastern Canucks are so down on the USA....

ummm ....

Because it goes against their left wing dicksucking secular ways ????

[koolsam2004]

i like to as one more question since no one answered my questions about us and why they are still in the gulf area even thou Sadam is gone and why they want to creat a new and big midle east.
my question is, how old the state of israel?where did the jews immegrate from, why dont they want the refuges to come back to thir land.?why is the US allways supporting Israel and the same with UN. so why iran cant supprt anyone, why Israel is allowed to have the nucle and no one els in that regoin

[mili]

Hebrewdriver peace and respect???
Do you hear me calling you a bigot and this and that because you believe in God and you are a Jew? Do I call you money grubbing cheapskate because you are a Jew? Do I tell you that I think white man pretend to be your friends when I know nothing about you? You my friend have some insecurity issues and inferiority complex to go on the offensive like this. Feeling like a little drive by shooting?

mili

[Twostep]

We're in Iraq because to leave now would SURELY mean total anarchy and widespread secular terrorism. It's moving in that direction anyway, even with our presence.

I supported the Iraq war. I no longer support the tactics used, and would need two calculators to count the mistakes that have been made in the last 3 years. Somebody better overhaul the way we're handling things there, and soon.

Israel is 58 years old.

Israel won't use nuclear weapons, except as a defensive posture - and then only if their very existence is threatened. Iran, on the other hand, would use them on their grandmothers should we ever become stupid enough to let them actually build one.

By the way, both Pakistan and India possess nukes. I believe both countries have enough restraint not to use them as an offensive weapon. I believe North Korea, if they actually have nuclear weapons and most believe they have one or two, will only use the threat of nukes to blackmail the US and other countries, just like they've done for years. And Kim Jung Mentally-Il doesn't feel right if he can't strut some power in front of the whole world.

Iran just doesn't give a fuck. They get em, they'll be up all of our asses, period.

[mili]

koolsam2004 I think the grand idea of them still being in Iraq is to fight the war against terror not on US but foreign soil. Let all the martyrs blow the shit out of themselves and their fellow muslims rather then let them come to the USA and blow the Americans up. I think they are trying to justify this policy by saying they use Iraq as a vent for the maniacs to do their martyr shit and no US city is geting wrecked in the process. The fringe benefits is that the USA can then take the contracts to rebuild whatever the maniacs destroy. What I think is that while it is a rather cunning scheme they don't just give the demented a playground and a fortified target to pound but they actually creating more and more of these idiots just by being there.
You can NOT be sitting home trying to close all doors and windows and hope that if you are kind enough someone will not try to rob you or kill you. IMHO the proactive approach of keeping wars abroad is the lesser of two evils.

mili

[sundeval]

i like to as one more question since no one answered my questions about us and why they are still in the gulf area even thou Sadam is gone and why they want to creat a new and big midle east.
my question is, how old the state of israel?where did the jews immegrate from, why dont they want the refuges to come back to thir land.?why is the US allways supporting Israel and the same with UN. so why iran cant supprt anyone, why Israel is allowed to have the nucle and no one els in that regoin

Are you really that simple?? Israel has shown that they have restraint and patience, and will not use their nukes unless it is the last straw. I guarantee you that if Israel constantly sent suicide bombers into Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, whatever the fuck extremist country there is over there and those countries had nuclear weapons, they would have annhiliated Israel already. You give Iran the right to build nuclear weapons, and you might as well prepare for world war 3, possibly armagadeon. They do not value life in the middle east as we do. To die in the name of allah, you become a so called martyr....truly translated in english, ....."crazy, fucked up coward , murderer" Extremist countries have already threatened Israel with total annihilation if given the use of nuclear weapons. Also, in their minds, everyone should be muslim , if not dead. So i ask, do you really have to question why Israel is allowed nukes and no countries in the unstable minded middle east are?

[hughnohoo]

Who the fuck is Bush, or the US, or the UN or anyone else to say, this country can have a bomb (even if they haven't signed a non-proliferation treaty), but that one can't ?

The arabs never stole nuclear secrets from us, but Israel did, and their spies are still in prison, over the objections of the American Jewish lobby which really runs the US.

I don't like the idea of any country having the bomb, but we are not the rulers of the world...yet, and while we dither over this shit in the mideast, we are ignoring China in out own backyard, Russia reasserting itslef and trying to reclaim its former colonies, but hey, Bush looked into Putins eyes are KNEW he was ok to deal with, fucking idiot.

You guys want to die for Bush and the USA, be my guests. I fought once for America, but never again..... Not until we stop using force and intimidation to control those areas of the world that have something we want (oil or whatever), and allowing dictatorships to rule as long as it helps our wants. Thats what really pisses the world off about us...we think we own it and every other country should do what the US says. Yes, they like us, the ppl, but not our govt. We talk a lot about freedom and democracy but will sell ourselves to the devil if we can make a few bucks on the deal.

Now, where do I sign up for those 10 sluts ?

[$$dollarz]

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Can you tell me which column says "killed because of a different religion or political stance"?
Can you also point out which colums says "blown up by suicide bomber cause a foreigner or Jew"?
You are trying to compare apples to oranges with this statistics.

[sundeval]

Wow, im amazed at all the bleeding heart crybabies in here. No, the U.S. are not the rulers of the world, but they are one of the countries who have taken on the task of policing the world. Who would you rather have policing the world, the U.S. or Iran, a Suddam Hussein ruled Iraq or some other extremist valued country? Stop and think before you open your whiney cock sucker and think about just how good we have it here and be thankful that the U.S. has the policies it does. They may not all be right, but they are better than that of the majority of countries. Im saying this, and i am a Canadian citizen, loyal to my country and thankful to have the United States as an allie and neighbor. Look what happened last time when someone didnt step in and put a halt to a maniac.......ie, WW2. If someone wouldve stepped up and enforced the sanctions put on Germany after WW1, there wouldnt have been a war or a holocaust.

[hughnohoo]

fuck you very much. You have the right to voice an opinion, but not at the point of getting personal. If you support the bush war in iraq, i THINK your country has troops there, why aren't you ?
Too many ppl spout off, but few do any sacrifice themselves. I don't see the Bush twins in uniform, or any other politicians kids...are they too fucking good ?
I did my war, I earned the right to criticize MY govt...and not even a fucking republican asshole from canada can take that right away !

[tkdusa]

Hahaha...no, tkdusa, I'm not a Canadian Liberal. Kirjiboo commented to someone "you must be Muslim"...to which I responded as a third party.

I'm a southern US conservative....sorry.....and I'd still like to know why Eastern Canucks are so down on the USA.

Thanks for the invite, Alsouthster. I should come - we could have some interesting talks, methinks....:p

See I knew I liked you LOL I am a southern us conservative (a bit extreme at times) also..hehe

[tkdusa]

One should not over look a countries motives... what is the motive of china not to remove a country from the map, there is to build a booming economy.. Now in the case of IRAN the have one mission to remove isreal from the map there president said that . now what would happen if an american president said we were going to remove iran from the map.. all hell would break lose and why because we could.. no one cares when iran says it because they don't have the ability to do that ( yet) but let them get a good nuke and then what every thing changes... they launch 1 nuke then isreal launches a nuke.. and things spiral out of control!!

The countries that have nukes today do not believe in war they all want peace (with the exception of N.K.) They are sane enough to know that nukes in war makes war unwinnable for anybody. Now you give a radical arab a nuke and your gonna have a real fucking problem... wether it is launched or it is delivered as a terror attack in the form of a dirty bomb.

Like him or Hate him BUSH drew a line in the sand after 9-11 and he has not changed his stance. This will only end when radicals figure out that terror tatics will not solve there problems and will not get them what they want. For to many years we did nothing but talk tough now we are acting that way. This in away is WW3 it is radical islam against the rest of the world it is not politiclly correct to call it WW3 but it is plain and simple it is much bigger than just iraq and afganistan. that just so happent to be the battle field.

Thanks to milli for allowing this to go one where most forums wouldn't...LOL nothing like a good political debate to get the heart racing..!!:)

[Boris279]

This problem goes already a long time back, Libanon, Syria, Jordan, and the Arabian peninsula where part of the Ottoroman Empire (Turkey) during WW1. Because Turkey was on the side of the German and they lost the war, many of the colonies of the German and Turks where divided by the force’s the won the war like England, France Belgium, they took almost all the colonies of them, German lost a lot in Africa and Turks a lot of the middle East, England was very interested in the middle east, because the could control the passage (Suez Channel) for there colonies like India and some in the indies, that’s one of the reasons why there are the straight borderlines,

And after WW2 when in 1948 Israel was founded, on in that time English territory a lot of the problems started for the Jews, A lot of the Arabic countries did not accept Jews in there backyard

So personally I think a lot of the problems, are created by are own western nations, perhaps for religion, power and money, and the world leaders with there own hidden agenda’s and who knows wat more.

Here in the so called western world we think that we are right and what the Arabs do is wrong, but perhapes they think exactly the same about there world we are good and they are bad
Look at the people from the country’s that where behind the iron curtain, all those years those people have been told that the western world is bad, and the most of them believed in it because they did not know better, and than suddenly after the fall of the Berlin wall, everything they believed in falls down…
So i think it hase also to do with what is you goverment telling you, and do you believe it, and folow the stream, or you think a litle bit longer than the lenght of your nose...

I don’t think that killing each other is the right way to go, perhaps this will take a long, till they come to the right solution,
Because a country has a bad leader ore a group of leaders, does not mean all the people are bad people

just my thoughts and a few facts.

Peace too you all...

Boris279

[Clowny]

One should not over look a countries motives... what is the motive of china not to remove a country from the map, there is to build a booming economy.. Now in the case of IRAN the have one mission to remove isreal from the map there president said that . now what would happen if an american president said we were going to remove iran from the map.. all hell would break lose and why because we could.. no one cares when iran says it because they don't have the ability to do that ( yet) but let them get a good nuke and then what every thing changes... they launch 1 nuke then isreal launches a nuke.. and things spiral out of control!!

No, an American president wouldn't tell you the truth, they would tell you one thing and do another. If its one thing I've learned about democracy its that all politicians use the bait and switch tactic. Either every country gets nukes or nobody does, the world needs balance or else we'll all end up bowing to one force in the future....and I don't think I can learn chinese, LOL.

Ever thought that maybe Iran wants to liberate Isrealies from their corrupt government? Just like Iraq and Afghanistan have now been "liberated"....hah.

[Bandit5906]

fuck you very much. You have the right to voice an opinion, but not at the point of getting personal. If you support the bush war in iraq, i THINK your country has troops there, why aren't you ?
Too many ppl spout off, but few do any sacrifice themselves. I don't see the Bush twins in uniform, or any other politicians kids...are they too fucking good ?
I did my war, I earned the right to criticize MY govt...and not even a fucking republican asshole from canada can take that right away !

Regardless of serving in "your" war that has not prevented you from being an asshole: congratulations! Your attitude, language and ignorance are overwhelming.

BTW: I served my country (USA) and am therefore qualified to offer my opinion!

[Bandit5906]

No, an American president wouldn't tell you the truth, they would tell you one thing and do another. If its one thing I've learned about democracy its that all politicians use the bait and switch tactic. Either every country gets nukes or nobody does, the world needs balance or else we'll all end up bowing to one force in the future....and I don't think I can learn chinese, LOL.
Ever thought that maybe Iran wants to liberate Isrealies from their corrupt government? Just like Iraq and Afghanistan have now been "liberated"....hah.

Ever thought that maybe Iran wants to liberate Isrealies from their corrupt government? Just like Iraq and Afghanistan have now been "liberated"....hah

No the stated objective of Iran is to eliminate Isreal! Do you honestly think that the world will be safer if Iran has nukes? Don't be an idiot!

[Clowny]

Ever thought that maybe Iran wants to liberate Isrealies from their corrupt government? Just like Iraq and Afghanistan have now been "liberated"....hah
No the stated objective of Iran is to eliminate Isreal! Do you honestly think that the world will be safer if Iran has nukes? Don't be an idiot!

Yes...eliminate means to dismantle the state of Isreal just like Iraq is now a divided mess. Hell, I have more trust in a president thats educated and doesn't lie, drink or stumble every other word....even if he is Persian (Iranian). I believe they have a right to live their lives the way they want, and if that means possessing nukes so they don't get bullied around, then so be it.....its really out of our control, we can sit here and debate it day or night but its going to happen.

[Bandit5906]

Good for you!

Now go back to the Daily Kos (be sure to have your tin hat on)!

[Clowny]

Good for you!
Now go back to the Daily Kos (be sure to have your tin hat on)!

If you believe in the all mighty then you should have nothing to fear. Politicians can't protect you, they are just rich men with poor acting skills.

[alkasecond]

Yes...eliminate means to dismantle the state of Isreal just like Iraq is now a divided mess. Hell, I have more trust in a president thats educated and doesn't lie, drink or stumble every other word....even if he is Persian (Iranian). I believe they have a right to live their lives the way they want, and if that means possessing nukes so they don't get bullied around, then so be it.....its really out of our control, we can sit here and debate it day or night but its going to happen.

Barbarians should never be allowed to posess wepons of civilized man.
If history ever thaught us anything , this would be THE most important lesson.

I'm out of this nonsense.

[Yongone]

What are the "teachings" of Mohammed? Kill, kill, hate, and kill a few more. Anything else means nothing unless it means to kill more. About the virgins: they are all clones of Sec. of State M. Allbright (AKA Notbright).

Islam does not profess killing senslessly. It's been warped and interpreted to say this. Now it's fairly accepted that Islam should defend and spill blood in the name of the religion. And people are mad at the the Pope...

[ceelo]

THis issue might have been dropped....but think of this...its no secrert that this world has it conspiracies...the US is no stranger to them...but one thing is certian that they will do anything for there country...and to assure that its countries success and its will to live on through the ages...they have used there resources to assure that happends....dont be mad Arabs because your leader sold themselves to the highest bider "SAUDI ARABIA"...and israel has a right to be a country and the arbas hate that...and the US and British BACKS Israels right to be a country....thats y arabs hate US BRITIAN AND ISRAEL.....I dont care if both religions are part of the same roots...that land is Iraels as much as it is palenstines....

this notion that Islam does not profess killing might be true to an extent....although the koran was created by mohammad when he was exiled by the jews....but I will give you the benefit of a doubt....but no religion has more doctrains of hate than islam...not budduist...toaest...hebrew...christianity (though the had there moments...but the finally admitted there mal interpratations)...not anglicans...protestants....Mormuns...and the list goes on....the koran *which 87% of musliums cant understand because its in aramaic* is never interprated in the right way because gurus and religous heads try to interprate a language that cannot be spoken since its been dead for centuries....so how will you ever know it does not professs hate...

[BigSwifty]

After many years of observing this, my conclusion why the hatred exists is as follows:

Has anyone ever done business with either set of those\these people?

To me, it always seems like they aren't happy unless they think they are getting a deal. Both sides are the same!

Only the hebs are better at being on top of the deal :D

[crosshair]

damn....
Lotta verbal abuse,over lotta BS.

iran...iraq...saudia arabia...north korea...

more unstable the us..US...
they do not have the planes,ships...shit..anything to reach US
fuckin' north Korea's missels miss the targets by..'couple hundred miles or so!
palastines...jews...tiered of hearin' about them.
let them nuke each other...but shut up about it.
oil?
fuck yeah we need it! only SUV'S in iraq...are the ones gettin' blown up...insuffient armour...but...vote for the best man...no choices..

some cry baby mentioned nuking japan. hmmm...pearl harbor ring a bell?
they asked for it...
we...(the USA) are policing the world...time to throw some weight around

I say...let the jews kill the muslims...pakistan..nuke india...irag,iran...saudi arabia...we will hit them....oh...fuck syria too:D
if we are going to get involved...we are...kick there ass...
infidels they call US...yeh?
I work 12 hour days to watch my HD TV...and drive my SUV...
and listen to CBS,ABC,NBC...and those assholes at fox...
do the same thing!!

virgins for kilin'....what jackass started that shit!!
your dead..your dust.
spirit....that works for native americans..cause they deserve it...mabee

prove it...science says...fuck you.

and you assholes,disin' mili...
and especialy twostep...
have some tact..
a little respect....
say...
IMO...you might not be right.
those two have higher IQ'S...then......oh fuck i don't have the time to name allllll you disrespectfull bastrds!!

the USA will do what they want...biggest guns.
why you think we elected bush? forest gump that we can control:D
don't get be goin'...........

[cold iron]

I have to wonder if all you left dep-shits have ever though what the world would be like today if not for Amerca. You would be speeking what, German? You think in singular lines.

[alsouthster]

and I'd still like to know why Eastern Canucks are so down on the USA.

Ok Twostep I'll give it a shot
I'll say again though that most Canadians like Americans. But some, especially east coasters, have big problems with Bush govt.
But here are Top 7 Eastern Canadian Lib (ECL) gripes

1. ECLs believe in free medical care for all. We screwed it up, but we've tried.

2. ECLs are scared of guns, especially big guns, on the street. Screwed some of our policy up, especially the Liberal gun registry, but we tried. And there are still WAY less deaths by gun in Canada.

3. When it comes to the military, ECLs believe the Canadian role should be as "peacekeepers," and that we should be wary of getting drawn into agressive military engagements, especially those desgined by Bush, the neo-cons and god help us Donald Rumsfeld.

4. Religion. ECLs tend to be more like Europeans, don't go to church as much, are against church mixing with govt. Especially in French Quebec, which was under the iron fist of the Catholic church for centuries.

5. Abortion. ECLs support a woman's right to choose. Also believe in govt-supported daycare.

6. I'll say it again: ECLs don't like the Bush regime. They think it panders to the far right Christian fundamentalist base, which they distrust for the reasons cited above. ECLs were more comfortable with Bill Clinton, as disturbing as that may be to many of you.

7. Because we are secular left wing dicksuckers. Thought I'd get that out of the way to preempt Big Swifty hahaha

[kurjiboo]

alsouthster,
i'm down with all that. I've been thinking of moving out of michigan and becoming an ECL doesn't sounds so bad, EH? seriously though, I know a bunch of conservatives would tell me to move. I would, but canada is SO cold and I cant even stand it here. If you guys could turn up the heat to say, arizona temperatures, I'd definitely move outa here and let the hard core bush huggers have their way with this place.

crosshair,
I'm not really sure what you said, but I like hdtv, suvs, and most of the others somewhat coherent shit you said. other than fallout, I don't have a problem with people in the middle east nuking each other, except that we would go police that shit and I'm of draft age.

[just]

You want history ...... Well,

1. When Jews left Egypt a long time ago they went on to conquer Israel - just because thats how shit got done back then.
2. King David and King Solomon went on to expand the Kingdoms - just because thats how shit got done back then.
3. Ever since, Israel has been getting smaller.

Right of Return?? I love hearing that line of Shit.
The Indians should use that on New York - See how fast Bloomberg gives them 5th Ave.

In the Modern world - It is how it is. Nobody will ever conquer anybody's land again. Palestinians need to get some internet access or some modern day textbooks not written by their late leader - Arafat. Wake up! It ain't gonna happen - Take your shit and go settle in the Islamic Republic of France or Dearborn, MI. Now that is how you conquer land in todays world.

Either way you can't ever justify the shit some of these bomb strapped assholes do. How could anybody compete with some idiot who wants to blow himself up and take down others for Allah. Personally I wouldn't do that shit for anything less than 140 virgins and 10 super experienced Sluts. But hey, thats just my opinion.

Hey genehackman of Dickbreath network.... Read history and comprehend first before you blab your mouth.... Jews originated from a southern region in Iraq called Koor. David and Solomon were migrants to "PALESTINE". Palestine was occupied by Palestinians then, NOT JEWS.... Jews stole land then from the Palestinians, and they did it in 1918, 1921, 1936, 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1982 ( stole Shaba farms then from Lebanon).... This is a lesson for you and the likes of you that love Israel.... an aggressive country without morals and human dignity. And for the idiot that said Israel made a concession for the palestinian.... You are an ignorant..... FYI the war of 1967 was carried by Israel and other Arab countries.... Not Palestine... Palestinian then had no say in that war. Again... for those that are slow in comprehension... Israel is the occupier... Not the Palestinians... Palestinians are living in their own homeland... on another note... Israel has the most human rights violations and their record goes back to 1948.... Israel is the terrorist country... without it the world would be peaceful, but Bush would not be able to sell his weapons....

[just]

THis issue might have been dropped....but think of this...its no secrert that this world has it conspiracies...the US is no stranger to them...but one thing is certian that they will do anything for there country...and to assure that its countries success and its will to live on through the ages...they have used there resources to assure that happends....dont be mad Arabs because your leader sold themselves to the highest bider "SAUDI ARABIA"...and israel has a right to be a country and the arbas hate that...and the US and British BACKS Israels right to be a country....thats y arabs hate US BRITIAN AND ISRAEL.....I dont care if both religions are part of the same roots...that land is Iraels as much as it is palenstines....

this notion that Islam does not profess killing might be true to an extent....although the koran was created by mohammad when he was exiled by the jews....but I will give you the benefit of a doubt....but no religion has more doctrains of hate than islam...not budduist...toaest...hebrew...christianity (though the had there moments...but the finally admitted there mal interpratations)...not anglicans...protestants....Mormuns...and the list goes on....the koran *which 87% of musliums cant understand because its in aramaic* is never interprated in the right way because gurus and religous heads try to interprate a language that cannot be spoken since its been dead for centuries....so how will you ever know it does not professs hate...

Koran is written in Arabic... Not "aramaic".. it is still the same words and language from the time of its revelation... so know your facts first. Second... Koran does not instigate hatred as you and ignorants like you profess. DO NOT JUDGE THE RELIGION BY ITS PEOPLE; READ THE KORAN FIRST, then make your judgement.

[Bandit5906]

I've made my judgement, Just, you are hateful, ignorant and ill-informed! Everyone here on planet earth has the right to live w/o Islamic terror!

[BigSwifty]

Koran is written in Arabic... Not "aramaic".. it is still the same words and language from the time of its revelation... so know your facts first. Second... Koran does not instigate hatred as you and ignorants like you profess. DO NOT JUDGE THE RELIGION BY ITS PEOPLE; READ THE KORAN FIRST, then make your judgement.


Ummm ....

Asswipes like you aren't helping the cause!

[Clowny]

A little bit of education since some people can't seem to look past the last 5 years let alone the past 100 years.

Before the American Empire, there was another force in the world called the The Ottoman Empire (1299 - 1923) At the height of its power, the Ottoman Empire controlled almost the entire Middle East, making it one of the most powerful empires in the world at the time. The Empire was dissolved after World War I, when it fought on the side of Germany as one of the the Central Powers, and was defeated by the Allied Powers in the Middle Eastern theatre. At the end of the war, the Ottoman government collapsed and Ottoman territory was divided among the victors.

So all the governments in the middle eastern countries were put there by foreign governments. What we're seeing now is a rise of nationalism from those countries which of course is a threat to any other force in the world today.

There hasn't been an empire in the history of the world thats stood the test of time....not the roman, not the russian, not the spanish, not aztec....not the ottoman...what makes any other power in the world any different?

America is on the decline (thanks to military foreign policy, shipping jobs overseas and a TOTALLY POOR EDUCATION SYSTEM). And Iran is in great position to become a superpower in the middle east. And so the world goes on....

[BigSwifty]

Made sense all the way to Iran, then the bafoon came out!

[Clowny]

Made sense all the way to Iran, then the bafoon came out!

Why do you think there is such an emphasis on Iran......they are the glue thats holding that region together. Especially since Iraq next door is no longer a pest but instead a pal....talk about a plan back firing. Odd, it just so happens that Afghanistan is on the other side of Iran...hmmm. I guess the only way to confront a large mass of land is from both sides.

[BigSwifty]

Or a turd in shit sandwich!

[Bandit5906]

Hey BigSwifty: you really have a way with words!

[BigSwifty]

Hey BigSwifty: you really have a way with words!

What can I say I like being FRANK !!!

[alsouthster]

"The Republicans stand for raw, unbridled evil and greed and ignorance smothered in balloons and ribbons."


just a little quote from Frank for fun hahaha

complete transcript here
hxxp://home.online.no/~corneliu/curmudge.htm

course this was when FZ was thinking of running for president, and if truth be told he wasn't that fond of the democrats either lol

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Ummm ....

Asswipes like you aren't helping the cause!

Hey BignShitty.... You are a moron.... Just because you do not know shit about history you think you can make it up. ??? The sad thing is that there are thousands of shit-heads like you running around spawning poison onto others... Ignorance is a deadly weapon....so my advice to you is: GFYSelf.

[just]

What can I say I like being FRANK !!!

I think what you like is FRANK and bending over.... wow... we have a queer here..... listen moron...I can tolerate history-challenged people... but I hate ignorance.. do not baffle me with your bullshit.... so again... GFYself

[stint]

Just: You seem to be reasonably intelligent and somewhat well-read on the Arab/Muslim slant of history. Are you able to recognize that there's a Jewish/Israeli historical anecdote to refute every one of your points?

Instead of selectively looking back in history, why not focus on the current day: Is it really so hard to accept that of the Middle East Jews will inhabit a piece of land, with no oil, that makes up less than 0.3% of the Middle East land mass?

Finally, ask yourself honestly: Where would you rather raise your daughter? In a random Arab/Muslim country or in Israel?

The sad fact is that even as an Arab Israeli she would enjoy far superior quality of life/human rights/standard of living than in 98% of Muslim states.

On average in a Muslim country she would be poor and illiterate, married young to have lots of kids (or produce lots of weapons...). She would culturally be taught that, instead of looking to her government for positive change, instead of recognizing the the Sheiks and Princes control 95% of the wealth in her country, the Jews, Israel and America are the cause of all her problems. She might make herself feel a bit better by demonstrating in the street in her burka 'Kill the Jews...Kill Americans'.

On average in Israel she would probably have a degree or two in engineering or computer science. Maybe she'll found the next big internet startup, or perhaps just be the lead developer for NDS labs (where she could leak a full dump of the P4 to Milli).

If you are honest with yourself you must recognize the stark cultural differences. You cannot use western liberal standards to judge a country that's defending itself against states lacking in basic respect for human life and dignity.

[Clowny]

On average in Israel she would probably have a degree or two in engineering or computer science. Maybe she'll found the next big internet startup, or perhaps just be the lead developer for NDS labs (where she could leak a full dump of the P4 to Milli).

If you are honest with yourself you must recognize the stark cultural differences. You cannot use western liberal standards to judge a country that's defending itself against states lacking in basic respect for human life and dignity.


Social institutions, traditions and religious laws have kept girls and women at a disadvantage in schools, in the workplace, in divorce cases, and as victims of violence:

* Women in minority and disadvantaged groups have disproportionately high rates of unemployment, poverty, health problems, and abuse of basic rights.
* Women make up close to 50 percent of the workforce in Israel , yet are paid an average of only 62 percent of men's salaries. Women also constitute 70 percent of those earning minimum wage or less.
* The Orthodox religious monopoly over marriage, divorce and other issues of personal status impinges on the rights of Jewish women to marry whomever they choose or obtain a divorce without their husband's consent.
* Statistics show that one in three Israeli women will be sexually assaulted at least once in her lifetime.
* In 2006, only 15 percent of representatives on local councils and only 17 percent of Knesset members are women.


The Jewish community readily admits that the shameful situation of the agunah, a woman chained to an unwanted or non-existent marriage who cannot be released without her husband's consent, is unjust. It is common knowledge that some Jewish husbands withhold their consent to a religious divorce or get, in order to extort exorbitant sums of money from their wives as the "price" for the get. Nonetheless, the Jewish community, despite a high level of educational attainment, financial success, organizational skills and traditional commitment to social justice, has been unable or unwilling to find solutions to the painful problem of the agunah.


Just here to educate...you can draw your own conclusions.

[stint]

Fully acknowledged that a small percentage of Israeli Jewish women are not able to remarry as quick as they would like because their husband is being uncooperative. The legal precedent is after a reasonable period to put the husband in jail until he agrees to sign the divorce. But here we are debating current case law in Israel's British Common Law...

I wish we could debate this refined and delicate level of issues when looking at most Arab countries....

I wonder if Golda Meir, former Israeli Prime Minister, stayed up at night concerened with religious divorce traditions.

Just here to elucidate :)

[Clowny]

Just here to elucidate :)

hehe...touché

[BigSwifty]

Just...

Just... blow a load in his face!


How's that for all the literacy that you think you have bestowed!

[Clowny]

Just...

Just... blow a load in his face!


How's that for all the literacy that you think you have bestowed!

We don't need to hear what you're yelling at the TV. You must be hacking Canadian satellite....LOL

[stint]

Just...

Just... blow a load in his face!


How's that for all the literacy that you think you have bestowed!

I'd rather blow a load in yours. Zappa makes me SO horny :o

[BigSwifty]

And then they wonder why I call them leftwing dicksuckers...

[mili]

Ok guys, all good things must come to pass this thread is degraded into namecalling. Go jug a "martyr" today.

mili