View Full Version : Ain't It Ironic?
Twostep
10-17-2006, 08:15 AM
They're lining up over at Rom10X, salivating and panting, over the opportunity to be one of 150 members who can purchase a lifetime membership to their site, for 200 bucks. For your 200 clams, you get to view the homepage sans advertising and get quicker access to their file storage area, The File Shop. That's it. Oh, and a 'lifetime supporter' moniker.
Now I like Rom10X; I've posted there and picked up some helpful information over time, so this isn't a rant against them. But what's ironic is that an entire site was formed - MCS - one that ended up with nearly 10,000 members before its ultimate demise, dedicated to one thing, and one thing only...to rip Mili's throat out after he informed Magic Card owners that 6 months support was going to cost 25 bucks, as a result of the developer's quirks and product infringement problems.
And, my God...25 dollars for VIP file access ?? You would have thought everyone's daughters were being raped....and despite the fact that off-peak file access is free, folks still raise hell over this...:confused: Go back over to 10X; they pester their members for donations so much, they sound like TV preachers....and them folks can't empty their wallets fast enough.
Mili, maybe you need to take lessons from the boys down the street. Just lookit what's goin' on over there. 200 bucks to eliminate looking at some banner ads and get a Lifetime Supporter avatar - and their members love it. Must be the cologne the moderators are wearing:eek:
This oughta draw a few flames:rolleyes:
knarf
10-17-2006, 09:24 AM
I will give you private tutoring for $500-hehehehhheee
zhakrin
10-17-2006, 01:59 PM
From what I understand Snags is has some financial issues with running his servers, namely big bandwith bills and almost everyone who has anything to do with the hobby reads Rom10x, and often goes there first when something happens.
He's just trying to find ways to bring in money to keep the site up and running. Condidering he's not locking anyone out for NOT donating i don't think there is too much reason to bitch.
what if you were to live for 40 more years, thats .00013 cents per day.
Now thats a bargain :)
Budreaux
10-17-2006, 04:32 PM
From what I understand Snags is has some financial issues with running his servers, namely big bandwith bills and almost everyone who has anything to do with the hobby reads Rom10x, and often goes there first when something happens.
He's just trying to find ways to bring in money to keep the site up and running. Condidering he's not locking anyone out for NOT donating i don't think there is too much reason to bitch.
I don;t think 2S was bitching, I believe he was comparing timelines and reactions to events.
MSC was created for teh sole purpose of bashing Mili and The Magician for the decision of charging $25 to continue support for the Magic Card. Folks went balistic and all kinds of dirt was flying.
Things got personal and they got personal in a very deep manner.
BigDaddy was a driving force in the whole issue and the man was a complete and utter idiot.
BigD was HillBilly's father and he rode HB's coattail cause he himself had no idea how to do this stuff.
I personally got into some heated discussions with BigD over this and in time, me and HB had some interesting debates over the whole matter... difference is, me and HB eventuall earned a respect for each other (kinda) and BigD just continued to try and slander Mili and a couple mods here.
All this for a mesely $25 that Mili had no control over....
Compare that to the $200 they are asking for, with basically no return of any type and perhaps you can then you can understand the reason for this thread.
No new sight being created to bash them, hell, they all seem happy bout it.
In the end, we all know the reasons for MSC and it wasn't about the $25, but it;s a good basis for an arguement here.
Budreaux
Bandit5906
10-17-2006, 04:38 PM
what if you were to live for 40 more years, thats .00013 cents per day.
Now thats a bargain :)
And if I wreck my rig or a four-wheeler wrecks me tomorrow it would be $200.00 per day!
I like Snags and all of that and I am a (paying) member of another forum, but I won't cough up $200.00 for him. $25.00 a year is my going rate (for forums only)!
smilingjack
10-17-2006, 06:29 PM
Snags always has his hand out
Ever month is seems worse
I begging to think is for the money in his pocket, rather the the site rentals
I am not knocking the guys, just the ideal. They are a good bunch of staffers over there and I get into some good debates as well.
really none of my business what they do or how, They treat me pretty well because I follow the rules and dont bash the staff in public on the site.
A few of the members are idiot but thats the same anywhere. Most are a good bunch of guys!! --->be sure to add that in a copy and paste<---
Kinda funny all that the same people who bitch at mili for charging for unlimited file access and yell and scream about FREEWARE all the time are the ones paying to access a forum.
I myself would feed a family for thanksgiving or give it to a homeless guy for washing my mirrors. If I was set up with plenty of cash I would donate a little to help a site out but never $200.
I think the point of the thread is to call out those who bitch about the $25 and always use that as an excuse to blame this site and Mili for trying to make money..
Is kinda Ironic.
I wish them luck, Hope it all works out for em, The entire testing community does not lay in the balance of weather that place or any other one stays online, No matter what any of us may think..
Twostep
10-17-2006, 07:50 PM
what if you were to live for 40 more years, thats .00013 cents per day.
Now thats a bargain :)
Well, Fubr, I understand why you're a Kenworth pilot instead of a math professor:D
This thread isn't intended as a Snags-basher; he's alright; he has a great big site with lots of members and lots of information. I'm aware that Rom10X needs donations to operate; this site sells product and sales proceeds keep it going.
I used 10X as a comparison, to emphasize the point I was making. And that is it's strange how some folks can't wait to throw their money at something given a particular situation, and the same folks hide their wallets in another situation. Snaggletooth is perceived to be a poor old boy who is constantly on the verge of losing his forum...and those folks are all too happy to keep them money orders comin' in. Mili's perceived to be Bill Gates rich, because he sells product - lots of folks take offense if they see him making five cents. It's been that way since the beginning, and had nothing to do with the MC scandals, Magician, or the latest subscription mess. Those events merely justified the Mili Jihad that still seems to affect the testing world.
Well, Mili ain't rich, and Snaggletooth ain't broke. The details are none of our business, of course...as I said it's interesting, and ironic, how people react in different situations.
smilingjack
10-17-2006, 08:10 PM
After the tirade of Snaggletooth last month, I would think he was on the way to the poorhouse.
Kind of look like the Mr. FTA clipping of a year ago. maybes it is him.
If Snaggletooth closes, the same old coders will be at another site within the hour, some are already looking around to see what out there.
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HILLBILLY
10-17-2006, 08:19 PM
how much are server and bandwidth type bills?
150 people at $200 is $30,000.
can it be that much?? i really don't know, but if it is that much, wow!!
hillbilly
Well, Fubr, I understand why you're a Kenworth pilot instead of a math professor:D
lol I used a thermometer to figure it :) Yes I get your point all to clear.
nope, no bashing will be done here, I got all day to keep an eye on it...
I try to put most things such as this in perspective. I paid for a VIP here to get 1 file from crazy1_79. That was a Friday night. If I had been on the town with the wife, I figure spending roughly $125.00 . It seemed a bargain at that time. As for donating to 10x, I have before. If I remember right, It was a minuscule amount. I almost became a 10x supporter just to have some fun with cablecowboy( a member here also) and a small group of mods and administrators. Looked like it could have been a lot of fun, Change someones avatar or steal points in their VB system. Pitboss posted that the system was having difficulties. Saved my bucks.
I think of testing as my relaxation period. As long as cost does not get out of hand. Most donations, memberships, Supporter banners, and the like seem very reasonable to me.
BirdieMod
10-17-2006, 11:57 PM
Don't give a shit what they do. I have seen so much bull wars bashing etc from that place I could puke. Not a member there anymore just got sick of all the soaps.
They want to charge 2 bills great could give a shit less.
Well I was a member here before there and I like the idea of comparing info from both sites to get the most from both! I think the $200 for lifetime is not unreasonble to get unlimited access to the forums and their files site during the PEAK times. They give you credit towards the auction site as well.
In 4 years it =s the same fees to Milis VIP access here but hell who knows if we will still be here in 4 minutes much less 4 years but again who knows?
I am not going to be a VIP member at either site but did donate in order to sell a few items there.
I hate to see site members bashing each other though! :(
The MC thing seems slightly different though in that the peeps already bought a product and then was asked to pay more to keep it going???
gitmocap
10-18-2006, 12:51 AM
Just a note off subject for fubr...I was on jury duty and I came in one morning and the trial was cancelled. I was going home on the freeway when a guy in a new lexus cut me off. He and I were in parallel lanes for a couple of miles and we kept selling "wolf tickets" to each other. Then he got away from me. I took an early exit to get out of the traffic mess when I see this same guy washing windows and panhandling at the intersection. When he approached me to ask he recognized me and made an about face...There are scammers in everything.
your right,
Thats why I said a homelss guy that washes my windows, I am not talking about a guy at a redlight but one that walks thru truck stops asking to DO WORK for a hotdog. Here is how you tell, Tell them Sure, come on lets g in and buy you a hot dog...They say uhh well can I just have the money....I say UH NO!!
I know I have been scammed before, I also have been hungry before. Sometimes I will risk losing a few bucks on the slim chance I might actually be helping somebody not have that awful feeling of hunger. I have heard them all, sometimes I just say no I need some money myself, sometimes I have the feeling well maybe he needs to eat. A family broke down on the road with no money is not a pretty site, no matter how or why they got there, thats not the point. If I see kids I help them out. The ones that stand at the red lights in Chicago can kiss my ass and go smoke more rocks. LOL I have alot of stories but I already hijacked enough. I agree with you gitmocap
there is alot of money to be made panhandling.
BTW anybody got a few extra bucks I can borrow I will gladly repay you on tuesday
.....I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. :p :D ......but I'd stay away from the spinach for a while.
yes spinach has the ass flu right now!!
Satan
10-18-2006, 02:53 AM
Who cares..if you want to donate $200 go ahead and do it...if you don't want to ..than don't.!..that's prety straight forward..?...What is the reason for this post...this is the reason people get in bashing mood's.?
If I was modding this forum..I'd close this thread..as it's doing nothing but promoting hate...hate might be a harsh word...but it sure as hell isn't helping anyone in the testing game..?
mruk69
10-18-2006, 03:24 AM
Guys not to go off subject but, in response to some earlier comments, If I remember correctly MCS started well before the $25 incident.
In regards to snags, I don't believe he makes money by selling merchandise like Mili does, as far as I can see the only income he generates is from the ads on his site. I don't believe I have ever seen an ad on any site for 10x. So he receiving money from ads but not spending any on ads as he does not sell anything.
So I guess it is ok to sell membership, but at $200 not, maybe better to just accept what ever donation they are given and screw the lifetime membership. Because in this business I don't think that the word "Liftime" is even in the by laws.
close it and people will bitch about censoringNo Hate I see unless somebody starts getting stupid..Read the first post again and ignore all others is all I can say, maybe you will see it different
knarf
10-18-2006, 04:26 AM
Can some one help me out here?
I Work for Rom 102 Cards
Bandit5906
10-18-2006, 04:44 AM
lol I used a thermometer to figure it :) Yes I get your point all too clear.
nope, no bashing will be done here, I got all day to keep an eye on it...
I thought you favored Freightshakers! Esp. like mine with the Cummins!
Bandit5906
10-18-2006, 04:51 AM
close it and people will bitch about censoring! No Hate I see unless somebody starts getting stupid..Read the first post again and ignore all others is all I can say, maybe you will see it different
Talk about a hi-jacked thread! Where the hell did the hamburgers thingy come from!?!
Talk about a hi-jacked thread! Where the hell did the hamburgers thingy come from!?!
It's a quote from Whimpy, the guy in the Popeye comics....and that's where the spinich comment came from too.
As far as MCS being around prior to the implementation of the $25 fee for MC support, if it was, nobody I know had heard about it. MCS was set up for much the same reason the .info version of this site was created; to fuck with Mili's business. Furthermore, MCS is still around. They just changed their name. Fortunately, they've pretty much faded into oblivion with the exception of when one of the freaks gets bored and logs on and posts crap just so he can be banned again.
There is no reason to close or delete this thread IMO. Twostep was just explaining that it struck him as odd that folks would complain so much about a $25 fee for six months support as well as $25 VIP membership, yet nobody says anything negative when a site peddles for $200 donations. Instead, a bunch of people just pay up without a peep.....and some of them are the same folks that bitched up a storm when Magician wanted to charge them only $25 for actually keeping them watching TV. This is all history, and all of us that lived through it are a little bitter. It doesn't make any sense to me either. Nobody here has any problems with Snags or him asking for donations, (in fact, as far as I know everyone here rightfully respects snags) and I don't see how this thread is even about him other than as a comparison point. It's strange someone can complain so much about $25, but if it means having a nice logo next to your name, the same guy will throw down $200. It doesn't make much sense to me either. But if it keeps rom10x up and running, then that's good for most everyone really. It's a good site. "Lifetime" in this hobby usually means anything from 3 months, to at best, three years.
Mili spends roughly $1000/month keeping the servers for this site up and running safely and quickly. I doubt snags is spending that much as rom10x is slower than molassas in winter, and it's not just because of the traffic differences. There have also been security issues at rom10x that have never occured here, and believe me, there have been way more serious and persistant threats to this site......largely coming from the aforementioned freaks from MCS and .info, and now most recently, Charlie's SI team.
Twostep
10-18-2006, 06:47 AM
If I was modding this forum..I'd close this thread..as it's doing nothing but promoting hate...
Hate? Against who?
Twostep sez: " Now, I like Rom10X; this isn't a rant against them"
Twostep sez: " Not intended as a Snags-basher - he's alright -"
Twostep sez: " The point is why do some folks throw money in a particular situation, then hide their wallets in another situation"
Chep made a point that could be argued, depending upon what side of the fence you reside....MC support was promoted with free support and then went to 25 bucks, which (in his opinion) rightfully angered a bunch of folks.
What if you'd paid 200 bucks for lifetime support at the time you bought your MC? And got the support as promised? Why, you'd jump for joy at the thought. See the point and the irony? You just paid 200 dollars and liked it...the way it turned out, lots of peeps paid 25 bucks and bitched for years afterward.
JT explained it well. There's no hatred or shit-stirring going on here.
Bandit5906
10-18-2006, 03:58 PM
C'mon TwoStep admit it: you are filled with hate (you just hate to admit it)!
BTW: They are still bitching!
C'mon TwoStep admit it: you are filled with hate (you just hate to admit it)!
BTW: They are still bitching!
Have been following this thread and frankly have nothing against Snaggs and even Mili said that he was a 'nice guy', and Mili advertises there also.
I'm not a very heavy poster there but if I can help someone, or a topic gets my interest will comment. Around six months ago the problem of bandwidth/server monthly costs reared it's ugly head.
I suggested to conserve some bandwidth and server rental/rackspace fees by dropping the superfluous sh*t. Who needs some lame Arcade, or Poker when there are hundreds of sites that are dedicated and do it better??
A dozen or so replies ago someone asked 'how much does it cost', well it can easily go to $2K+ /month depending on bandwidth and hardware being thrown at the situation.
It's his site and Snaggs can ask or do whatever he wants with it. Don't agree, stay away. That $30K amount raised, can very easily last 10 months, ask Mili he knows !!
I don't think Snaggs quit his Day Job.
vmod32
10-18-2006, 06:33 PM
They're lining up over at Rom10X, salivating and panting, over the opportunity to be one of 150 members who can purchase a lifetime membership to their site, for 200 bucks. For your 200 clams, you get to view the homepage sans advertising and get quicker access to their file storage area, The File Shop. That's it. Oh, and a 'lifetime supporter' moniker.
Now I like Rom10X; I've posted there and picked up some helpful information over time, so this isn't a rant against them. But what's ironic is that an entire site was formed - MCS - one that ended up with nearly 10,000 members before its ultimate demise, dedicated to one thing, and one thing only...to rip Mili's throat out after he informed Magic Card owners that 6 months support was going to cost 25 bucks, as a result of the developer's quirks and product infringement problems.
And, my God...25 dollars for VIP file access ?? You would have thought everyone's daughters were being raped....and despite the fact that off-peak file access is free, folks still raise hell over this...:confused: Go back over to 10X; they pester their members for donations so much, they sound like TV preachers....and them folks can't empty their wallets fast enough.
Mili, maybe you need to take lessons from the boys down the street. Just lookit what's goin' on over there. 200 bucks to eliminate looking at some banner ads and get a Lifetime Supporter avatar - and their members love it. Must be the cologne the moderators are wearing:eek:
This oughta draw a few flames:rolleyes:
LOL.. ROFL.. HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH... LOL
Oh sorry, I was not laughing with you.. I was laughing at you. You have a few misconceptions. But it's probably not worth the effort to clear them up for you as you wont belive me anyways..
Twostep
10-18-2006, 09:20 PM
Try me, VMod. I'm not nearly as naive, thin skinned or unwilling to listen as you might think.:cool:
I'll say this, bro - if you think I have any misconceptions about the history of the Magic Card, the VIP file forum or what it costs to run one of these sites, you're really preachin' to the choir... if you'll put the ball bat down for a minute and reread my post...better yet, read JT's last post - you'll see Rom10X and Mili were simply examples to bring about discussion - neither was the focus of the discussion.
I'm not going to pay 200 dollars for a lifetime membership to a pirate site that Charlie might clobber at any time (directly or by securing their programming as DTV did)...but YOU'RE welcome to if you so desire. It's not because I don't want Snaggletooth to have the money. It's because I don't want to spend it. If you want to complain about the Magic Card, Magician and such, personally I think you should get over it...but hey, you have the right...you can even do so right here on this site, provided you use some judgment and restraint with your words. The point of the original post is that some WOULD, and HAVE, done both....a fact that I find interesting and a bit odd.
So stop laughing at me.:D
You have the floor....
They're lining up over at Rom10X, salivating and panting, over the opportunity to be one of 150 members who can purchase a lifetime membership to their site, for 200 bucks. For your 200 clams, you get to view the homepage sans advertising and get quicker access to their file storage area, The File Shop. That's it. Oh, and a 'lifetime supporter' moniker.
Now I like Rom10X; I've posted there and picked up some helpful information over time, so this isn't a rant against them. But what's ironic is that an entire site was formed - MCS - one that ended up with nearly 10,000 members before its ultimate demise, dedicated to one thing, and one thing only...to rip Mili's throat out after he informed Magic Card owners that 6 months support was going to cost 25 bucks, as a result of the developer's quirks and product infringement problems.
And, my God...25 dollars for VIP file access ?? You would have thought everyone's daughters were being raped....and despite the fact that off-peak file access is free, folks still raise hell over this...:confused: Go back over to 10X; they pester their members for donations so much, they sound like TV preachers....and them folks can't empty their wallets fast enough.
Mili, maybe you need to take lessons from the boys down the street. Just lookit what's goin' on over there. 200 bucks to eliminate looking at some banner ads and get a Lifetime Supporter avatar - and their members love it. Must be the cologne the moderators are wearing:eek:
This oughta draw a few flames:rolleyes: How many remember when rom10 was formed by Snaggs....he said quote... this will never be a pay site.... How times change in less that a year!! aid
gdsstf
10-19-2006, 06:11 AM
Snags always has his hand out
Ever month is seems worse
I begging to think is for the money in his pocket, rather the the site rentals
Gee......ya think? ROFLMAO
When Snaggletooth goes begging for money again, and threatens to shut the site down again, those 200 clams may seem like a very short "lifetime."
smilingjack
10-19-2006, 07:07 AM
No matter what he does.
life will go on.
The coder and newbie will just go someplace Else.
There are plenty of other site around
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