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Just4FunNC
11-09-2006, 02:03 AM
Just Released- Agenda for the Democratic National Convention for 2008:
7:00 P.M. Opening flag burning - Lighting by Alec Baldwin
7:15 P.M. Pledge of allegiance to U.N.- Kofi Anan (now Governor of New York)
7:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
7:30 till 8:00 P.M. Nonreligious prayer and worship. Rev. Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson.
8:00 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes another toast.
8:05 P.M. Ceremonial tree hugging - Jeanne Garafolo
8:15 till 8:30 P.M. Homosexual Wedding -- Barney Frank Presiding.
8:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a third toast.
8:35 P.M. Rally to Free Saddam. Cindy Sheehan-- Susan Sarandon.
9:00 P.M. Keynote speech. The proper etiquette for surrender
-- French president Jacques Chirac
9:15 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a fourth toast.
9:20 P.M. Collection to benefit Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant fund
9:30 P.M. Plan to free 'freedom fighters' from Guantanamo Bay . Sean Penn
9:40 P.M. Why I hate the Military; a short talk by William Jefferson Clinton
9:45 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a fifth toast
9:50 P.M. Dan Rather Receives Truth in Broadcasting Award - by Michael Moore
9:55 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a sixth toast
10:00 P.M. How George bush and Donald Rumsfeld brought down the World Trade Center Towers- by Howard Dean
10:30 P.M. Ted Kennedy proposes a 7th toast
10:35 P.M. Secrets About How I Invented the Internet - by Al Gore
10:45 P.M. Our Troops are War criminals-- John Kerry
11:00 P.M. Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Mahmud Ahmadinejad
11:25 PM Ted Kennedy proposes an eighth toast
11:30 P.M. Coronation Of Mrs. Rodham Clinton
12:00 A.M. Ted Kennedy proposes an eighth toast
12:05 A.M. Bill asks 'Chappaquidick' Ted' to drive Hillary home (Ted accepts)
Footnote: At 5:30 PM, next day, Fox News Channel announces that at 1:15 AM that day, Hilary Clinton was found drowned near the Chappaquidick Bridge. (Two months later, Ted Kennedy was found hiding in a Heinz Ketchup Plant in France).
A new Convention is called, but the nomination of Nancy Pelosi, Joe Lieberman, and Rosie O'Donnell is so knotty, it causes 13 ballots to be cast before a compromise candidate is nominated. The Dems lose the 2008 Presidential election.
Your just upset that now there is almost a balance in the Congress and the Republicans no longer rule all four branches of the federal government. We may even get to witness one branch of our government keeping another in check for the first time in six years.
LOL good one Justforfun,
HEHE drive her home LOL
pswine1
11-09-2006, 05:22 AM
Your just upset that now there is almost a balance in the Congress and the Republicans no longer rule all four branches of the federal government. We may even get to witness one branch of our government keeping another in check for the first time in six years.Not just 6 but 26. A change is well needed.
beruca
11-09-2006, 07:26 AM
A majority government is nothing but a dictatorship ! Right George ?
Twostep
11-09-2006, 07:39 AM
Your just upset that now there is almost a balance in the Congress and the Republicans no longer rule all four branches of the federal government.
No, he ain't...no need to be upset anyway. It is what it is. Let's see what the Dems can do; they wanted Washington back, they got it....personally, I can't wait for Sister Nancy to put her San Fran ideas into action!!
1) Full, total and equal rights for gays. No exceptions. Gays shoving their newly-found rights in the faces of straits at every opportunity in the form of public shows of affection, gay pride parades and other displays of every kind.
2) Cradle-to-grave government entitlements for the poor, the homeless, those who can get a job but would rather not, and last but not least, any and all immigrants - in particular, those who are here illegally. A Robin-Hood mentality on steroids. Take the inheritance tax back to pre-Bush levels, tax long-term capital gains at the same rate as income tax; eliminate any and all tax shelters for corporations. Fuck 'em, if it cost 150 bucks an hour to keep one employee on the payroll, that's what they get, the money-dripping sonsabitches....
3) Outlaw any and all privately owned guns. ANYONE outside the field of law enforcement found in possession of a weapon receives an automatic 10 year prison sentence.
4) Legalize drugs. If they're legal, it'll eliminate the excitement of doing something illegal, right? Just like DSS testing. If they made it legal, why, we'd all throw our ISO's in the San Francisco bay !
5) Eliminate the INS, along with border patrol agents, the new 700-mile fence and all other forums of immigration control. 50 million immigrants next year? No problem...California's a big place...they can take the money saved from dismantling the INS and give it to this new wave of 'Americans'....
You'd better believe if Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Chuck Shumer, Ted Kennedy, Dick Durbin and a few others had their way, what I just wrote won't be fiction...it'll be reality, implemented before the Lord gets the news. Checks and balances? Yep...we need them....inside the Democratic party. Hopefully the moderate Dems who still have some sense will keep the far-left faction of the party in line. Then we might actually get something done.
squegee
11-09-2006, 08:41 AM
...but you gotta love the fact that Lieberman won as an independent. One of the few democrats I actually liked before the elections.
All these bastards are "insiders." The conspiracy just shifted from one ideology to another. Makes you wonder (still) who's running the show anyway? If you wanna rant, go look in W's backyard here in Texas where we're basically annexing Mexico nowadays. This ain't a country anymore - its someone's soveriegnty, but it for sure don't belong to the people.
Go hit google videos and look up the "loose change" video. One of the more interesting hours I've spent watching internet video lately. Balance of power? ya, right.
Back to live, tested, air - care of Chuck! If it weren't for his porn, we'd have to watch the political news all the time.
Peace!
-Sq
mruk69
11-09-2006, 06:53 PM
Good one mate.
How did I know that JT would have something to say. :D
The first post belonged in the humor section, so I moved it there. It's clearly turned into a political discussion, so time to move it back I suppose.
I'm just so extatic that there will now be some checks and balance in our federal government I don't have the words. This is the way the founding fathers intended it to be. When one party, Republican or Democrat, rules the senate, house and executive branches it is no longer a democracy. It's a dictatorship. King George has finally lost his crown.:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
mruk69
11-09-2006, 08:42 PM
The Liberals may have won congress but will never win the presidency.
You watch.
And I should say congrats to Sen. Lieberman.
Hey JT I think you need to go through one round with Bill O'Reilly.
tkdusa
11-09-2006, 09:21 PM
why when the democrats take over it is a good thing and checks and balance? but when the republicans took over during clintons time it was a conspiracy?
LOL
2wayradio
11-09-2006, 10:44 PM
WOW it takes a Republican to give the Democrats an agender (they don't have one) I guess it will be up to us to save there ASS'S again .. Clean your guns
sharpen your knive's and buy more AMMO. IT'S now only a matter of TIME till they Screw everything UP...:rolleyes::D
Hey JT... How many branches of federal government are there? Did you say 4?
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And for anyone else..... if you are a liberal, you probably believe that corporations should pay their fair share of taxes... That's really funny since corporations never pay ANY tax.
As consumers, we pay the tax for them by purchasing the products. In the case of limos and yachts, I think that's fine, but in the case of diapers or automobiles, I have to ask why increasing corporate tax is not a direct taxing of the poor?
Does anyone really believe that when faced with a new or increased tax, a corporation would just say "we can pay that out of our profit". Hell no, they will say "we will have to raise our prices to pay for that". GET IT?????? Corporations DON'T PAY TAX..... the consumers do.
Ohms,
I'm no corp. but a small business. So let me see if I understand your viewpoint. When my small business paid $34,000.00 last yr. in taxes and $18,000 came directly from my pocket, it was my customers who paid that? How do I go about collecting?
alsouthster
11-10-2006, 01:25 AM
Before you guys head to your bunkers with guns and canned goods on account of the gays about to run rampant, ponder this:
The gays are good for the ecomony!
Where I live it is swarming with gays. We have a Gay Village, a gay festival every year, this week we have a Gay film festival and last summer we had the Gay Olympics...with such events as ballroom dancing and figure skating (in summer) and other more disturbing sports you really don't want to know about.
Now I must admit I and my family hightail it out of town during the gay festival but it brings MILLIONS of dollars into the city. Hundreds of thousands of gays (most fromt he USA) spend like drunken sailors. IN fact, some are drunken sailors.
Another benefit of more gays: better restaurants.
Also, more hairdressers and clothing stylists: REsult: your women look better!
hope this helps in these hard times ;)
My comment was directed to large corporations. Small businesses are a different situation altogether. If a small business, lets say an independent restaurant, gets hit with a big tax increase, they cannot raise the price of a cheeseburger to $15 to pay for it. The money must come from somewhere else. Either the business will not be able to open that second location like they had planned or they might have to not hire those additional employees that are badly needed. Ultimately, if there was no other place to cut back, a small businessman might either have to close his shop or pay the taxes out of his savings like you did. In any case, more is not better when it comes to taxes.
The bottom line is, how much is enough money to give to the government? When they waste money at every turn, it's hard to justify any. If the federal government would just go back to doing only what the constitution required instead of all these other things they do today, there would only be a requirement for a very small amount of support from the citizenry.
one more thing 1one. Where did that $18k in your pocket come from? What about the rest of the $34k? I assumed it came from your customers. Like I said, small businesses are a little different, but the same trickle down principal applies, just with a different result.
Before you guys head to your bunkers with guns and canned goods on account of the gays about to run rampant, ponder this:
The gays are good for the ecomony!
Where I live it is swarming with gays. We have a Gay Village, a gay festival every year, this week we have a Gay film festival and last summer we had the Gay Olympics...with such events as ballroom dancing and figure skating (in summer) and other more disturbing sports you really don't want to know about.
Now I must admit I and my family hightail it out of town during the gay festival but it brings MILLIONS of dollars into the city. Hundreds of thousands of gays (most fromt he USA) spend like drunken sailors. IN fact, some are drunken sailors.
Another benefit of more gays: better restaurants.
Also, more hairdressers and clothing stylists: REsult: your women look better!
hope this helps in these hard times ;)
Very good point.
BUT.
to the rest
Most of us have no problem if a guy wants to suck on another guys dick or toss his salad. To me it is sickening to even think about it and I DO NOT wish to see two men kissing in public or even hold hands much less my kids see it happening.
that to me is sick, sick, sick...
Would they want me to squat and take a shit on the sidewalk in front of them? That would be sick!!!!
I was at a Subway in Wildwood GA and this "young male" was behind the glass and talking to this "girl" while he made my sandwich. I am all for The good ole American way and I did not make a scene, he was talking "like OMG" and "thats right sister" and giggling like a bitch.
I payed for my sandwich and tossed it soon as I walked outside. This guy had tattoos of butterflies on his wrist, a rainbow bracelet ear rings on each side. All that I could live with but the fever blister on his lip was to much for me.
I have had gay friends, I knew they were gay, They knew I knew they were and we worked together well because it was never brought up, , They did it at home.
ONE more thing. If I walked into a ladies restroom and watched them piss and shit I would get threw in jail. But they (gay people)can walk right in and stand next to me and watch me piss, How is that fair? I think we should be like that Alley Mcbiel show and all use the same JOHN.
Anyway I am not a gay basher so if any were offended by my post get over it pussy, Grow some balls and thicker skin, you chose to live a life under a microscope and do things to be sure to be noticed. SO stop crying and show some respect for people who are offended by your action.
And DAMNIT stop trying to show your johnson to the people trying to piss next to you in a public restroom.
One thing for sure......the population problem will get better, Open gay marriage and legal abortion will stop the birth rate increase.
no no ONE more thing.
NO way should a child who has NO CHOICE in his lifestyle EVER be allowed to be adopted by a gay couple, That is not fair to the child and should be considered childabuse.
As far as the rest of the issues I agree maybe change is long over due.
Good luck to us all and I hope they get the FINE men and women out of harms way but also I hope the fallen comrades ahead of them did not pay with their life in vain..GET the job done and get home, and thanks
Bandit5906
11-10-2006, 03:57 AM
...but you gotta love the fact that Lieberman won as an independent. One of the few democrats I actually liked before the elections.
All these bastards are "insiders." The conspiracy just shifted from one ideology to another. Makes you wonder (still) who's running the show anyway? If you wanna rant, go look in W's backyard here in Texas where we're basically annexing Mexico nowadays. This ain't a country anymore - its someone's soveriegnty, but it for sure don't belong to the people.
Go hit google videos and look up the "loose change" video. One of the more interesting hours I've spent watching internet video lately. Balance of power? ya, right.
Back to live, tested, air - care of Chuck! If it weren't for his porn, we'd have to watch the political news all the time.
Peace!
-Sq
Go Slim!
wheelr I dint delete your post for calling TWOSTEP a asshole, He dont need me taking up for him he is one of the best at doing that and if he wanted he could put you in your place and fast.
I did however delete it because of the racist terms you used.
Please retype it at your convenience without the slang terms...
Now I will go edit my post from before because whats the diference, using a rasict term or a HOMO term...
alsouthster
11-10-2006, 04:43 AM
Now I will go edit my post from before because whats the diference, using a rasict term or a HOMO term...
OH NO the new PC Dem regime is already getting to Fubr!
IMHO, "fudgepacker" is a funnier term than "young male"
and therefore quite acceptable
but I could be wrong, all gays on this board who find it offensive pls speak up
wheelr
11-10-2006, 04:54 AM
I will remove the offending term and repost my diatribe,(luckily I saved it to the clipboard so I will not have to retype.) I did not use a racist term (n-word) in order to offend, only to make a point about the attitude of those who use the term. I will replace it with the term " black people" it seems that you are woven of the same cloth as twostep, so I understand your smugness, by the way, please try to work on your spelling, it`s atrocious!
wheelr
11-10-2006, 04:58 AM
I always knew you were an Asshole, but now it`s clear that you are a Bigoted, Racist, Republican Asshole!! which is par for the course. this country was built on the backs of poor immigrants that came here for a better life, the reason the Latino`s are here is the Rich white assholes that run this country need some new "BLACK PEOPLE" to exploit, now that the black citizens have moved up in society, and won`t take their shit anymore. just like the Irish, Italians, and Asians before them. Not a single one of the anti-immigrant crusaders will face this simple truth: Why are they here?- to work for business`s owned by wealthy white (republican) people. Who is breaking the law? Tyson foods and other meat-packing plants, UDC homes and other homebuilders, archer danials-midlands, monsanto and every other agri-business, tgi fridays, appleby`s chilli`s and almost every fast-food franchise in this country. if you wanted to stop illegal immigration you would prosecute these felonious criminals, but you won`t, because they are your own! and you profit when you own their stocks and collect dividends. so in reality you are fucking yourself and have no one else to blame!! As far as the Gay rights movement, your rhetoric sounds exactly like the hysteria and fear expressed by the segregationist`s when the black people finally gained their rights, and could express themselves and be proud of who the are, without being beaten down by the ku klux klowns. Gay people have alway`s been here, they are a part of what it is to be a human being, they are part of the human genome, and it is a proven scientific fact that bi-sexual and homosexual people on average have a higher IQ than straight people. why this is, we do not know, but it s a fact, and the truth does not need the approval of an angry, scared, xtian bigot such as yourself. why does it bother you to see a flaming queen out in public? I think that they are hilarious! perhaps it arouses some latent desires that you have suppressed? or you are worried that if your son becomes Gay that it will reflect badly on your own machismo!! Evolution is not on your side my fat pastey friend! please respond if you wish for me to chastise you further!! ( p.s. I am straight and extremely white)
Twostep
11-10-2006, 07:55 AM
Well, let's see if we can tear this one all to shit....;)
I've posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating. Here's a close-up and personal look at my bigoted lifestyle:
One of my daughters is married to a Mexican national who is in this country illegally, brought here by his parents when he was 6 months old and never put him through the process of gaining US citizenship. You would be hard pressed to find a nicer, harder-working, intelligent and honest young man, anywhere.
My wife's niece is married to a black man, they have 3 black kids, all of who frequent this house and I must say the kids are as well behaved as any you could ask for.
My other daughter was married to a Hispanic (they've since divorced), and her best friend is a Korean national. She's welcome in this house any time.
My former business partner of 18 years is 100 percent Choctaw Indian.
I have friends and customers of all races, relationships that in some cases go back 40 years.
So don't you preach to me about bigotry, pal....you might as well try french kissing a bobcat's ass:mad:
I wouldn't finger my wife at the corner of Main and 6th street...I don't want gays pawing all over each other in public, either. You don't see "straight pride" parades and other public displays of heterosexuality. For some reason, people such as yourself, Pelosi and other secular-progressives think that's it's just fine to make the gay constituency exceptional. They have rights afforded to any other human being. But nobody OWES them a fucking thing. This country was founded on Christian-Judeo principles...and by God, if you feel same-sex marriages , gay adoptions and public pud-puffings are to just be accepted; that anyone who disagrees is a "Limbaugh Bigot", then get your ass outta my America.
Can't say it any plainer than that.
My, my, ain't it funny....none of you far-left kook fringe ever say a word about rich Democrats....John Kerry and his Ketchup Queen wife are worth 1 billion plus....George Soros, the world's ultimate leftie, is worth 10 billion...Nancy Pelosi is a multimillionaire....Diane Feinstein is worth probably 100 million....anybody care to guess the Kennedy family's worth?
Wheelr, I don't mind engaging in a debate with someone - anyone - of different political views. It's good, it's healthy...it makes you think. I'm often wrong about things; I've been taught lots I didn't know by those on the other side of the fence.
But you, my friend, are a fucking idiot. And a major-league hypocrite, to boot.
wheelr
11-10-2006, 08:23 AM
I did not see your homophobic rant in post #19! no wonder you took such offence to my rebuttal of Twostep`s post! especially the part where I made reference to most homophobe`s latent sexual repression. When I was in the Joint, it seemed like the ones who talked the most shit about fags were the ones that got caught fucking a punk! the situation with Ted Haggard, Tom Foley, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh Illustrate my point. As for your ridiculous assertion that you have the right to not see Gay people being affectionate in public, the white supremecist of the past said the same thing about seeing a white woman and a black man kissing in public. of course a white man getting a little brown sugar was OK if you kept it down low, we all know the Massa would slip out at night to the slave quarters, look at the duplicity of Strom Thurmond! please respond!! I love mudwrasslin` with mental midgets!!
smilingjack
11-10-2006, 08:43 AM
Are you FUBAR homophobic
see your homophobic rant in post #19!
I would have never guessed
wheelr on parole ? "When I was in the Joint" I hear them showers are fun.....
wheelr
11-10-2006, 02:09 PM
Don`t get your hopes up Ohms! twostep has the bait in his mouth, and I`m going to set the hook! Please define my hypocracy twostep! you are the one contradicting yourself! you speak of your son-in-law as being a hardworking, honest, intelligent, illegal immigrant who has been here since he was 6 months old, under the immigration policy you support, you would ship him back to a country he has never known! would you support amnesty for him? You also make mention of your white niece being married to a black man and having 3 children with him, but you call the children black! what happened to the white half of their genetics? that goes back to the old eugenic mandate that if you have as little as 1\64 black blood you are considered black. you aren`t even aware of your racism it is so ingrained in your worldview. your laundry list of token minority`s doesn`t impress me in the least, the fact that you have had to defend yourself before, and are now repeating this testimony of your tolerance speaks for itself! now, as far as you fingering your wife in public, you`re right! I probably would not want to see that at all!!! but I wouldn`t mind if you kiss her or hug her, the same goes for Gay couples, If you think heterosexual people people don`t slobber all over each other and make a public spectacle of themselves in public, you haven`t got out much since the 1950`s, just go to any nightclub or bar!! ( any good one, that is) I can`t count the number of times I have had sex with a chick in a nightclub bathroom, or in the parking lot, or the bushes nearby! and I am not being misogynistic, women are not stigmatised as much now for being promiscuous. You don`t understand anything about a Gay pride march at all! The reason that straight people don`t march is that they don`t need to!! they are not an oppressed minority! It`s the same reason black people marched in the 1960`s, and women suffragettes marched in the early part of this century, it`s about validating themselves as Human beings!! and demanding equality!! What I don`t think you understand is that racism, sexism, discrimination against homosexuals, and religious discrimination are all inclusive of the word "bigot"! they are all one in the same. One of the main reasons we founded this country was to rid ourselves of the tyranny of the church of England, so freedom of religion was just as much about freedom from religious oppression , as the Establishment clause of the Constitution makes clear. Not all of the Framers were christians, read Thomas Pains`s "Common Sense" Any way, -What Would Jesus Think - about your attitude towards the poor and homeless? a good percentage of the homeless are mentally ill and need treatment, that bum with a shopping cart that talks to himself and wears socks on his hands, really is crazy. we spend more money planting flowers on the Interstate than we do on the homeless. you never had anything to say about American businesses using cheap illegal labor as the source of the immigration situation , all you could muster was, "Democrats are rich too" The Great Wall of China didn`t work , and neither will The Great Wall of Halliburton down in Texas . How are you going to stop it if illegals are weedeating the State Capital Lawn? The jokes on you , Average Joe Twostep. Thanks!
Ohms,
The first 16000 was supposed profits(reason I say supposed is because I only call a profit what I get to keep). The rest was from mine and the wifes savings.
My main point to all this is that the government, all four branches as JT pointed out(executive,Legislative,Judical, And lobbiest), has hurt my small business directly. Less money to be spent by the middle class. But they sure expect me to continue paying for some Iraqi rebuilding program.
hughnohoo
11-10-2006, 03:33 PM
nice to know you neo cons can bitch like hell for the next 2 years, and maybe beyond...enjoy yourselves. :)
1one,
Unless you’re small business is one that manufactures dollars, your savings and profit both came from your customers purchasing something from you. That is my point about corporate taxes. You charged them a fair price, and they got a fair product in return. Your price was based on many things, with cost being one of the things you have little control over. You have to have a building, power, water, materials, and you have to pay taxes. All of these are part of the price your customers pay you. Hopefully, if your costs are not too high, you can have some profit too. If not, well you wouldn't be around too long.
My point is taxing a corporation hurts the corporations customers by increasing the cost of goods. That's all.
Ok now, with that said, I need to make one thing clear here. I am pissed off at the Republican party and I think they deserved what they got on Tuesday. They took control years ago on the premise that they would clean up the corruption and reduce the size of government. Nothing could be further from what they have done. I am so sick of the fucking government's bloated overpriced under-delivering SOS way of doing business. SICK!!!! While 1one and I point our fingers at different government waste issues, we really agree on one thing (it seems), and that is that the fucking taxes are too high.
1one points to “the war on terror” and calls it the “Iraqi rebuilding program”. Many disagree on that subject and to tell you the truth, I am not 100% confident in either position. All I know is the radical Islam is a big threat to all of us. You should hear the stories my relatives in Europe tell me. We better not go the way England is going right now or I don't know what... Anyway, both arguments have merit.
I however point to the useless departments of education and labor (and others) that suck down billions of hard earned tax dollars and provide NOTHING of value in return. I also point at the lazy work ethic of the government worker in general. While there are a few good hard working government employees, the majority of them, protected by unions, are lazy no ambition bums that if they worked for your small business would be fired big time. About 80% of the work is done by about 20% of the workers. I am not speculating here. I know all too well first hand about what I'm talking about here. I "deal" with Federal and State "workers" every day. It's not fun when I think about the fact that I pay for their incompetence, and will for the rest of their lives. Fucking full salary and medical retirement after 15 years of shitty service!!!! Give me a break!!! FUCK!!!!
I believe we could reduce the size of our federal government by 75%, and the average American would never see any difference in their lives except they could keep more of the money they earned.
Twostep
11-10-2006, 07:12 PM
twostep has the bait in his mouth, and I`m going to set the hook!
Let's tear this one all to shit, part II....
You're not paying the slightest bit of attention to what I'm saying, you're merely twisting it in order to tear me apart with your radical points of view. No joint I've ever seen teaches Spin Doctoring 101; I guess that's a new cirriculum wherever it was you did your time.
I'm not anti-immigration. Point out where I said I was. I'm anti-ILLEGAL immigration, and all that comes with it. My son in law owns his own detail shop, pays his own medical bills, speaks English (he speaks no Spanish), doesn't sell drugs, doesn't freeload off anyone. He's neat, clean, and a fine father of a 6 month old boy. And now that he's in a position to do so, and has some financial assistance from me, he's begun the process to become a legal US citizen.
I know lots of legal American citizens who couldn't hold a candle to this young man. You see, it's not the STATUS, Wheelr...it's the attitude, the actions...that I have issues with. Just like the gays. I don't dislike them. I dislike having their agenda shoved up my ass. No pun intended.
If you're a Mexican who wishes to come to America, and I can't blame them for that (who in their right mind would want to live in old Mexico?)...then, by God, you can behave as my son in law does. Most don't. They freeload off our system, refuse to learn English, sell dope, demand and get free medical care, and send what money they do make back to Mexico and the Mexican economy. Fact. Not spin.
The three black kids I mentioned are indeed just that, black. They inherited all the features of their father. Nice try, dude. Trying to brand me a racist with that comment doesn't fly, either.
I could go on, but after re-reading your reply and noticing the "great wall of Halliburton" comment, I think I'll pass. This is pointless talk. I suppose getting Mental Midgets on the same wavelengh as the Kook Fringe was too much to ask anyway.
Cheerio....TS
[QUOTE=Ohms]Hey JT... How many branches of federal government are there? Did you say 4?
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I count the congressional branch twice some times. My understanding is that there is the judicial branch (the supreme court), the executive branch (the president), and the congressional branch (senate and house of representatives). Did I get it wrong?
Can't we all just get along???? :)
I know of one thing we can ALL agree on boys (and girls) I remember it as if it were a meal ago..........
Sweet nancy was so fancy
To get into her pantry
Had to be the aristocracy.
The members that she toyed with
At her city club
Were something in diplomacy.
So we put her on the hit list
Of a common cunning linguist
A master of many tongues.
And now she eases gently
From her austin to her bentley
Suddenly she feels so young
Ohms,
The first 16000 was supposed profits(reason I say supposed is because I only call a profit what I get to keep). The rest was from mine and the wifes savings.
My main point to all this is that the government, all four branches as JT pointed out(executive,Legislative,Judical, And lobbiest), has hurt my small business directly. Less money to be spent by the middle class. But they sure expect me to continue paying for some Iraqi rebuilding program.
hehe. Hadn't gotten down to this post yet. We very well maybe should call the lobbyists a branch of our government. They make at least as many decisions that effect us as any other branch.
Ahhh, nothing like an election to bring out the dirty laundry in a political rant. Some of this is starting to border on personal attacks (and I mean bash on each other, not the politicians. It's fine to attack and bash them. It goes with their job:) ) though, so let's try and make a special effort to keep it as civil as we can amongst ourselves. ;)
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, twostep and I have talked a lot about a lot of things. I assure you, the man is no racist.
LocoMex
11-11-2006, 12:54 AM
Best case senario. Shortly after the new Democratic controled congress takes power, the Pres slips on ice in the rose garden, lands on his head and becomes incompetent to continue in office. (He recovers fully after his term has expired) Upon hearing the news, Cheney has a heart attack. The vice pres survives the heart attack, but is so weakened he decides to resign his office, leaving the power of the President in the hands of the Speaker of the House of Reps. At last the Democrats are in charge. Guess what? The government starts to function again and the U.S. begins to act like a respected member of nations instead of the bully at the end of the block. It's about time.
Twostep
11-11-2006, 03:45 AM
Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, twostep and I have talked a lot about a lot of things. I assure you, the man is no racist.
Thank you, JT. We don't agree on much, but that's how friends are. Not afraid to stand up to each other, but shaking hands when it's all said and done.
Ohms says, "Can't we all get along?"
Well.....
The election is over, the voting is through,
There's a new day dawning for me and for you.
Let's all get together and let the bitterness pass...
I'll hug your elephant, and you kiss my ass.
You oughta like that one, JT:p
Twostep
11-11-2006, 03:51 AM
leaving the power of the President in the hands of the Speaker of the House of Reps.
Nancy Pelosi as President, eh? Let me ask you something, LocoMex...would YOU want Nancy Pelosi running Mexico?
Surely you can wait two years, sparing the current administration a trip to the hospital and allowing enough time for Hillary to pick out her White House decor. Can't you?
Bandit5906
11-11-2006, 04:46 AM
Thank you, JT. We don't agree on much, but that's how friends are. Not afraid to stand up to each other, but shaking hands when it's all said and done.
Ohms says, "Can't we all get along?"
Well.....
The election is over, the voting is through,
There's a new day dawning for me and for you.
Let's all get together and let the bitterness pass...
I'll hug your elephant, and you kiss my ass.
You oughta like that one, JT:p
Mine too!
I did not see your homophobic rant in post #19! no wonder you took such offence to my rebuttal of Twostep`s post! especially the part where I made reference to most homophobe`s latent sexual repression. When I was in the Joint, it seemed like the ones who talked the most shit about fags were the ones that got caught fucking a punk! the situation with Ted Haggard, Tom Foley, Karl Rove, and Rush Limbaugh Illustrate my point. As for your ridiculous assertion that you have the right to not see Gay people being affectionate in public, the white supremecist of the past said the same thing about seeing a white woman and a black man kissing in public. of course a white man getting a little brown sugar was OK if you kept it down low, we all know the Massa would slip out at night to the slave quarters, look at the duplicity of Strom Thurmond! please respond!! I love mudwrasslin` with mental midgets!!
First. I could give a fuck abuot my speilling, I assiure you I could hang with the bestes in a conversation and If I had time to put that miuch thought into it I would go help somebody get tv not spend hours in a thraed like this to prove I am self smarted.
Second;<---what goes here a ; or a :?
Third: I am sorry to hear you got asspounded while incarserated, maybe thats why they call it a pokey! Surely you were not a dookie eater too.
Fourth, Where did I say I dint like fags? I said I belive all people have a right to choose there own lifestyle but also I had a right not to force mine down other throats,(no pun intended)
And what If I was really GAY, is that not ok? All I know sometimes when I read some post my GAYDAR starts beeping,(as in DANGER WILL ROBINSON) but I have never judged a member of this board by their preference or lifestyle choices.
Maybe you just dont get my post?? let me enlighten you, in these type threads most of my shit is inside jokes, feeble attempts at crude humaor and off the wall BS.
Now about the DEMS, anybody noticed we American do not make SHIT anymore, we sell, advertise, market it and even engineer it but actually build it! Yes a few thing still but for the most part most of everything we have was made overseas or made here by NON-citizens. The US government wont to have a say so in the entire world and that is not a good thing. thats the one thing that will keep China around for awhile if they have oil. they are self sufficent if they have to be. Would take us years to get back to being that way if we HAD to.
AND we have WAY to many laws!!!
I was taught my rights end where another's begins!!
Bandit5906
11-11-2006, 04:18 PM
hehe. so let's try and make a special effort to keep it as civil as we can amongst ourselves. ;)
A political thread and now you go civil on us!?!
Dreaming again?
Probably. Especially given as left wing as some seem to think I am. Just saying you can bash the politicians all you want. They set themselves up for that. Please just don't bash each other.....as much as we might want to critisize the opposition, try to keep it civil among ourselves.
Just4FunNC
11-12-2006, 01:47 AM
Very good point.
BUT.
to the rest
Most of us have no problem if a guy wants to suck on another guys dick or toss his salad. To me it is sickening to even think about it and I DO NOT wish to see two men kissing in public or even hold hands much less my kids see it happening.
that to me is sick, sick, sick...
Would they want me to squat and take a shit on the sidewalk in front of them? That would be sick!!!!
I was at a Subway in Wildwood GA and this "young male" was behind the glass and talking to this "girl" while he made my sandwich. I am all for The good ole American way and I did not make a scene, he was talking "like OMG" and "thats right sister" and giggling like a bitch.
I payed for my sandwich and tossed it soon as I walked outside. This guy had tattoos of butterflies on his wrist, a rainbow bracelet ear rings on each side. All that I could live with but the fever blister on his lip was to much for me.
I have had gay friends, I knew they were gay, They knew I knew they were and we worked together well because it was never brought up, , They did it at home.
ONE more thing. If I walked into a ladies restroom and watched them piss and shit I would get threw in jail. But they (gay people)can walk right in and stand next to me and watch me piss, How is that fair? I think we should be like that Alley Mcbiel show and all use the same JOHN.
Anyway I am not a gay basher so if any were offended by my post get over it pussy, Grow some balls and thicker skin, you chose to live a life under a microscope and do things to be sure to be noticed. SO stop crying and show some respect for people who are offended by your action.
And DAMNIT stop trying to show your johnson to the people trying to piss next to you in a public restroom.
One thing for sure......the population problem will get better, Open gay marriage and legal abortion will stop the birth rate increase.
no no ONE more thing.
NO way should a child who has NO CHOICE in his lifestyle EVER be allowed to be adopted by a gay couple, That is not fair to the child and should be considered childabuse.
As far as the rest of the issues I agree maybe change is long over due.
Good luck to us all and I hope they get the FINE men and women out of harms way but also I hope the fallen comrades ahead of them did not pay with their life in vain..GET the job done and get home, and thanks
Hey Fubr you hit the Nail on the head with the Post above . I will agree with you 100%.
The only thing I don't have a problem with is 2 gay Females, LOL they are Fun and exciting to watch, never saw 2 Fudge packing men and never will. I will also agree that a change in the gov is probaly needed. God bless the troops and may they all come home sane , alive and in one piece.
Bandit5906
11-12-2006, 03:19 AM
Best case senario. Shortly after the new Democratic controled congress takes power, the Pres slips on ice in the rose garden, lands on his head and becomes incompetent to continue in office. (He recovers fully after his term has expired) Upon hearing the news, Cheney has a heart attack. The vice pres survives the heart attack, but is so weakened he decides to resign his office, leaving the power of the President in the hands of the Speaker of the House of Reps. At last the Democrats are in charge. Guess what? The government starts to function again and the U.S. begins to act like a respected member of nations instead of the bully at the end of the block. It's about time.
Idiot! The government and country will be down the tubes with the Marxists in office! In the mean time the IF's are still severing the heads, while the marxists are worring about our treatment of them when captive. Go back to the Daily Kos!
smilingjack
11-12-2006, 03:28 AM
give up,
the government and you are like married people
divorced
the government and it's cronies own all the land, all the business
.
.
.
and you get the payments
Had to edit that one a bit Bandit. Please no direct attacks on other members. Rag on the politicians all you want, but members, mods and admin are off limits that way......you've been around long enough to know all this, just saying it agian anyway.
Hey Fubr you hit the Nail on the head with the Post above . I will agree with you 100%.
The only thing I don't have a problem with is 2 gay Females, LOL they are Fun and exciting to watch, never saw 2 Fudge packing men and never will. I will also agree that a change in the gov is probaly needed. God bless the troops and may they all come home sane , alive and in one piece.
HEY now! two women doing that it is not gay.
I wonder how stupid they think we are. regulating everything except tobacco and Alcohol..hmmm reckon it is because of the money involved?
It is kind of hipocritical....well, let's face it, it's a lot hipocritical.....but two guys going at it is yucky, but two girls.......well that's ok, maybe even kind of hot. It's weird how the only thing we want to regulates guys, yet we get off thinking of two women going at it. Somehow it's ok for the girls to go that way. (I know it's ok with me anyway, and I assume it's the same for most of the other pervs out there)
Twostep
11-12-2006, 04:58 PM
Girls having sex with girls is every bit as gay....but from a guy's standpoint it doesn't seem as 'yucky' as two guys goin' after it. There's no driving on the Hershey Highway, you know. From a women's point of view, I imagine the tables might be reversed a bit.
My wife liked Brokeback Mountain, but I can promise you, I won't be watchin' it...:eek:
Maybe there's a gal in this thread who'll chime in.
I watched Broke Back Mountain for about 10 minutes. It seemed like it was a great movie, but I couldn't take it. If it would have been two chicks, rest assured I would have put it on DVD.
As long as we regognize our hipocracies, I suppose that's a start......
Bandit5906
11-12-2006, 09:12 PM
Two girls is fine with me also; just so long as I make it a threesome. My slant would be two guys (yucky), two girls (no interest at all)!
danimal39
11-12-2006, 09:56 PM
WOW it takes a Republican to give the Democrats an agender (they don't have one) I guess it will be up to us to save there ASS'S again .. Clean your guns
sharpen your knive's and buy more AMMO. IT'S now only a matter of TIME till they Screw everything UP...:rolleyes::D its bush who screwed everything up.
A few parting comments before I leave this thread to all.
1) I am a gun loving democrat who believes it is my right and duty to protect myself from tyranny.
2) I reserve the right as a veteran of this country to not associate with people that I disagree with(Fags,Homo's,Lesbo's,Pedo's, and anything else I deem inappropriate).
3) Everyone here should note my feelings on taxes regardless of your political association. Remember, The Boston tea party was over a 2% tax.
Bandit5906
11-13-2006, 02:56 AM
A few parting comments before I leave this thread to all.
1) I am a gun loving democrat who believes it is my right and duty to protect myself from tyranny.
2) I reserve the right as a veteran of this country to not associate with people that I disagree with(Fags,Homo's,Lesbo's,Pedo's, and anything else I deem inappropriate).
3) Everyone here should note my feelings on taxes regardless of your political association. Remember, The Boston tea party was over a 2% tax.
A few parting comments before I leave this thread to all.
1) I am a gun loving Republican who believes it is my right and duty to protect myself from tyranny.
2) I reserve the right as a veteran of this country to not associate with people that I disagree with(Fags,Homo's,Lesbo's,Pedo's, Democrats and anything else I deem inappropriate).
3) Everyone here should note my feelings on taxes regardless of your political association. Remember, The Boston tea party was over a 2% tax.
To those who think Bush is at fault for your lack of sex, lack of drugs, Global warming, your divorce, or anything and everything else: please sell me some of what you are smoking!
except for the democratic thing I aggree with 1one's post.
really I aint repulican either, they just happen to have more canidates I would vote for.
I almost posted the tea party thing a few times but did not for some reason.
Bandit5906
11-13-2006, 03:07 AM
fubr don't like tea! We now have it on record.
Volvo's rule, BTW!
smilingjack
11-13-2006, 03:20 AM
Just remember, the were saying the same thing about the democratic party when they were in power.
Nothing changes, they were saying the same thing about Republican when the democratic took office.
It goes round and round
They are all crook out to get money and power for themselves
tkdusa
11-13-2006, 08:49 PM
Ohms,
I'm no corp. but a small business. So let me see if I understand your viewpoint. When my small business paid $34,000.00 last yr. in taxes and $18,000 came directly from my pocket, it was my customers who paid that? How do I go about collecting?
as a small business owner myself... you know that what he meant was you raise your prices to affset charges you inccur. your customer base paid the whole thing... where did the money start from your customers then came to your business then to your pocket then back out...
the consumer always pays for all things a business incurrs..
realfire
11-15-2006, 04:27 AM
I was just wondering if it was ken the pole smoker melman making that subway
sandwich that was thrown away a few posts back
Satan
11-15-2006, 05:32 AM
as a small business owner myself... you know that what he meant was you raise your prices to affset charges you inccur. your customer base paid the whole thing... where did the money start from your customers then came to your business then to your pocket then back out...
the consumer always pays for all things a business incurrs..
Not alway's...it's hard to compete with wally world and Mc's....?...If your forced to raise your prices to cover the tax burden ..it's not so fair...as wally word and Mc to name a few can keep there prices on certain item's lower and charge a lil more on other's.
as a small business owner myself... you know that what he meant was you raise your prices to affset charges you inccur. your customer base paid the whole thing... where did the money start from your customers then came to your business then to your pocket then back out...
the consumer always pays for all things a business incurrs..
I know exactly what he meant. The 18 came from mine and wife savings. That includes my inheritance. Do you wanna talk death taxes?
Twostep
11-15-2006, 08:19 PM
Do you wanna talk death taxes?
Yeah, let's touch on that.
My Mom passed away back in the mid 90's....by the time I paid the attorneys, the realtor who sold her home, three stepkids who by contract were given a certain percentage from the sale of the home, the accountant who handled the estate tax return, probate expenses, plus federal, state and local inheritance taxes...it cost me 25,000 bucks to settle the estate.:eek:
Mom worked HARD her entire life, and managed her investments well...and had a sizable estate at the time of her death. I think the inheritance tax is hands down the most unfair tax of all - and not because I didn't get a wad of cash, either. I was financially stable at the time and would have gladly given the money to charity - if I'd only had it to give.
This is double taxation. You're taxed when you earn it, taxed again when you leave it. I guess the Boston Tea Party didn't teach anybody a lesson, eh?:rolleyes:
If you're not in a position to inherit a taxable estate, then what the Democrats have planned for the Estate Tax won't affect you. If you are, then make sure your benefactor dies pretty quickly...because the Robin Hood members of the Democratic party are going to drastically reduce (or eliminate entirely) the current exemption levels just as soon as they can ram the bill through Congress. Count on it.
smilingjack
11-15-2006, 10:09 PM
I gave thing away to my kids when I had my first heart attack, (or sold it to them and pennies on the dollar)
Now it all there's, no inheritance tax
That seems to be an intelligent approach SJ. And for TS i have a question. The democrats have a 51 seat majority in the senate. We have a republican president with veto powers. I dont believe its possible for a senate to muster a 2/3 over riding veto majority to push a legislation thru the senate even if the found 15 republicans to vote that way with them. Do not make the mistake of misleading people that the democrats are worse than Bin Laden. I am a democrat and would never have voted that way if I believed one word of what your saying. Find some less educated idiot to believe your Rush Limbaugh propaganda.
Bandit5906
11-16-2006, 12:35 AM
He did!
He did!
So you are saying you believe this? Current estate inheritance laws exclude the first three million. I would be willing to make a small wager that a democrat will never try to push an ignorant agenda such as this in the next two yrs. And yes I agree that anything over that amount should be taxed.
On the other hand twostep, you must be fairly well off if your mother could amass such an estate. So someone, somewhere, at some time, in your familiy was living pretty high on the economic scale to pull that off. What if you had come from a family that has no estate? That's why it's gonna be pretty tough to drum up sympathy from the poorer of us. I got a couple guns when my father passed. That was it.
Is it better to get taxed on financial wealth, or to never have experienced it at all?:)
Watch out JT. I think TS would have you believe:
A Democrat(like me) that has been hunting since the age of 7, is in the B&C, will be on your doorstep for those guns. Even this past weekend, a simple Democrat gigging and sangin,17 bulls and two Oz's. doesn't believe that. And if you dont know what those terms refer to , please keep voting republican.
I think twostep and I are fine. Just ribbing him a little to see what he has to say.
As a hunter and avid gun owner myself, got to admit, I am not familiar with what you mean by 17 bulls and two Oz's. You talking about elk or you even talking bout hunting or guns or what?
Frog gigging = Fried frog legs(17 frogs)
Sangin = Saturday morning trots from gin sing tea that was green.(2 ounces)
And for Saturday a bushy tail(squirrel) looking in the front window. = Gofer gravy and dumplings with cat head bis kits. Ifyou would like JT, I have a link to our cabin that is on a rental program. You can PM me if your interested. We are next to a republican from Tennessee that is fairly prominent. A fine neighbor.
snake173
11-16-2006, 07:36 AM
The Dems. got to wash. again and are in the majority but if you know anything about the government here is how it works like this the Lesball from SanFranciso (and if she is stright which I strongly don't believe as I have been to queer city Calf.) interduces the new green people in the house it starts out like this if you want to keep your jobs you will vote like I tell you or you will not be here after the next election if you want a good job (Commitey) you do what I tell you when I tell you and if you don't the Party will not give you a dime to get reelected. I.E. you will not be reelected those peole who sent you here don't know what they want just me and Mertha who is so much of a crook that has not been cought but close will tell you what to do do becuase we know what is best for the fools who elected us.
The House is a minor thing what do you think the Senate where the big bucks and power must be like. I have not yet figured out why I waste my time but I do vote but will neVer Never vote to let Bill or is Lesball wife back into the white house so he can get more blow jobes in the closet down the hall from the oval office. If she is not a lesball why did she say nothing other than he is the presedent. Hell most good woman would have sot him but she just keeps smiling and only her and Jon Jet know why.
Snake173
Snake173
Twostep
11-16-2006, 08:45 AM
The democrats have a 51 seat majority in the senate. We have a republican president with veto powers. I dont believe its possible for a senate to muster a 2/3 over riding veto majority to push a legislation thru the senate even if the found 15 republicans to vote that way with them. Do not make the mistake of misleading people that the democrats are worse than Bin Laden.
1one, that's the great thing about America....you can live up there in your cabin, fry some frog legs, get stupid on green tea and eat cat head biscuits, espousing your hatred for the government (the Republican aspect of it) and America in general....and no one has any right whatsoever to say you can't. I totally defend your right to speak your mind, my friend.:)
The inheritance tax exemption for 2006 is 2M, by the way. At the time of my mother's passing it was 600K. As I said, by the time all the fleas, ticks and other parasites were taken care of, I went in the shitter for 25 large.
If one were to embrace what you're saying, then in light of the fact that since Congress must amass a 2/3 majority to override a Bush veto, then the Dems needed about 16 more seats in the Senate to avoid this problem....well, I'll be dipped in shit. I was all upset about losing the Senate majority. Business as usual; no problem. You just made my day, pal.....your party is 16 short of a stacked deck:rolleyes:
What a stupid, ridiculous statement, "don't mislead the people that the Dems are worse than Bin Laden". Here's what's not ridiculous....Democrats have always...ALWAYS....did you hear me, ALWAYS...been advocates of income redistribution - tax those corporations - raise the tax on the rich; give it to the destitute.....build statues of Robin Hood across the land....reinstate the inheritance tax (which will happen automatically in 2011, all but a 1M exemption).....I will admit to an error, however - not wishing to upset the apple cart in their bid to take the White House in 2008, Dems, in particular those who now wish to appear moderate (Hillary) may lay low on tax increases for the time being.
Not because they WANT to, mind you...but because they may feel it would be political suicide to push it too much until they're in the Oval Office. Then, hold on, brother. If you make more than poverty-level wages, you might as well give your soul to the Lord, because your ass - and your money - are gonna belong to the new messiahs in Washington.
JT, what in hell does my Mom being able to put together a nice estate have to do with what my personal wealth is? For what it's worth, I'm financially stable, just like I stated - I'm not rich. My definition of someone who's rich is someone who's a millionaire or greater. I'm not poor - and I feel blessed and thankful for what I do have - but I'll tell you something, pal - you'd look far and wide to find someone who's worked harder or been through more of life's hell than myself.....and I totally resent your comment "you'll find yourself hard-pressed to get any sympathy from us poor folks".....
I don't need, nor did I ask, for ANY fucking sympathy....and if you think I'm about to apologize to you or anyone else for being financially successful, you're nuts, bud....I've spent a lifetime giving and giving and giving, mostly to deadbeats (family members) who are too damn lazy to walk to the mailbox to get their welfare checks.....
ANYONE who works hard all his/her life, is savvy enough to save their earnings and not blow it all on drugs/yachts/mansions or other vices, who paid 30+ percent of it to the government in the form of income taxes...and then must pay another 50+ percent again, when they die...got fucked, period.
If you're a Democrat (or Republican, Libertarian, Independent, Communist, Scientologist, whatever) - who thinks the estate tax is the bomb, then you're in on the fucking - and you should be ashamed.
Now that I've introduced my feelings, I'm ready to get the fight started. Who's first?
TS,
There is currently no bill in the house or senate to raise any taxes. Therefor I call your statement not only misleading but also another case of republican fear mongering. The fine lady from San Fran has stated she only wants taxes raised(not on any legislation as of the present) for the most wealthy 1%.
Lets get back to the death tax for a few moments. We can shed ourself of some of these ticks and leeches as you put it. Probate is a court and any will to be legal must either go thru this or all parties must be in agreement. That has nothing to do with a tax. Also the legal fees of an attorney to represent your interest in probate is not part of a tax. Its called a legal fee(services rendered). I presume your mothers will was contested?
A special note for you twostep:
I am not in this thread for a fight. A reasonable debate will do just fine. If you insist that this is your way, I will gladly back out and you may spew the content of your discontent with anyone here willing to listen.
...
JT, what in hell does my Mom being able to put together a nice estate have to do with what my personal wealth is? For what it's worth, I'm financially stable, just like I stated - I'm not rich. My definition of someone who's rich is someone who's a millionaire or greater. I'm not poor - and I feel blessed and thankful for what I do have - but I'll tell you something, pal - you'd look far and wide to find someone who's worked harder or been through more of life's hell than myself.....and I totally resent your comment "you'll find yourself hard-pressed to get any sympathy from us poor folks".....
I don't need, nor did I ask, for ANY fucking sympathy....and if you think I'm about to apologize to you or anyone else for being financially successful, you're nuts, bud....I've spent a lifetime giving and giving and giving, mostly to deadbeats (family members) who are too damn lazy to walk to the mailbox to get their welfare checks.....
ANYONE who works hard all his/her life, is savvy enough to save their earnings and not blow it all on drugs/yachts/mansions or other vices,...
I was mostly trying to play the devils advocate twostep. Thought that was obvious. I know damn good and well some of the shit you've gone through and that you've earned any success you've had financially or otherwise. I also have worked fairly hard, and I'm more successful than both my parents combined as a result. (not having any children made that whole effort a lot easier too by the way, but that's another discussion;)....I will have something to give to an heir, but that heir will be a scholership at my alma mater for the most part unless something changes in a big way) I certainly wasn't trying to insult you twostep. I'm a bit suprised you took it so much more personal than was intended. I was only trying to get some good discussion going. Sometimes it pays to be more specific instead of using terms like "you" and "us" that can be easily misinterpreted.
Twostep
11-16-2006, 07:15 PM
Yeah, it's time for me to step back a pace or two, I suppose - my apologies, guys - but you must know that nothing - NOTHING - infuriates me more than for someone to brand me a 'rich sonofabitch' as if it's something I'm supposed to be ashamed of. JT, I'm aware that you didn't word it as such - however the "no sympathy from the poorer of us" didn't fly. I'm just as common and down to earth as someone who doesn't have two nickels to rub together - and that's exactly the way it should be.
Nice of you to consider your old school, by the way. If my kids (one daughter in particular) continue down their current path, I may take her cut of the action and buy 102 cards for everybody here:p
1One, let's get something straight. I don't engage in Republican fear-mongering. First, I consider myself an independent thinker, not an auto-conservative. I belong to the common sense party. And the estate tax makes no sense. Show me anyone who's running an unsuccessful farming operation - and I'll show you someone who inherited a successful one. Sorry, pal - but a permanent (and stout) inheritance tax is a primary Democratic goal - it's been fought in the halls of Congress for as long as I can remember. And I realize there's no bill on the table at this moment - of course, their isn't. The 2007 Congress, with its new lineup, isn't operational yet. You just wait. Once this issue comes up for debate, I'll come back on here and remind you of my words. Would you care for a helping of crow to go along with that tax hike?
The Dems hold no monopoly on bad ideas. I'm more disgusted with what Republicans have done lately than anything the Dems have done. Reps deserved to lose; perhaps they'll get off their moral high horse and get back to doing what they were hired to do - serve the people. Anyway, you stop accusing me of being a Limbaugh lackey - and I'll rephrase my words so as to not appear politically biased. As I said elsewhere, you hug my elephant, I'll kiss your ass.
Mom's three stepkids decided they were entitled to all of the proceeds of the sale of her home - hence the need for an attorney. Nothing else was challenged. It's a long story, too long for here, but suffice it to say it cost me a fortune in legal fees to keep these people from getting it all. In the end, they got what they were rightfully entitled to - and so did I, with one exception. I was taxed on the sale price of the house, in its entirety, not after those kids got their cut. They walked away tax-free, since their share was obviously less than the 600K exemption in place at the time.
Probate expenses aren't part of a tax. The lawyer I hired isn't part of a tax. The realtor I hired isn't part of a tax. I've been through all of this twice, 1one, I know how it works. Did it then, did it again this year with Dad, in another state. I watched these two people bust their asses their entire life - pay income taxes on their earnings for 50+ years - then personally wrote checks to the IRS for 55 percent of what they left behind. I then had the pleasure of writing more checks to the states they each lived in.
I'll now rest my case as to my standing on the estate tax.
Excuse the temper tantrum, please - I'm glad to get back to civil debate and discussion. TS
alsouthster
11-16-2006, 08:35 PM
Well I don't like paying taxes either, but I do pay them...except for the years 89 and 94, and me and the govt have already worked that out LOL
But before the Republicans get into a panic about what the Dems MIGHT do about the estate tax, let's remember what the Republicans TRIED to do in the last few years.
They tried to cut the estate tax back, a manouever that would have benefited only 0.5 of the richest Americans and would have cost close to a TRILLION in lost taxes. According to the Brookings institute, only one in every 200 pay this tax.
The estate tax exemption is 2 million now, 4 million for couples.
Leading the lobby to cut the estate tax was a group of 18 BILLIONAIRE families (I'm not making this up, look it up). As usual, the right-wing propagada machine geared up and supported the estate tax cut by saying it would help small businesses and farmers, the usual alarmist hogwash.
The bill nearly got through, but when it got tied to a measure to increase the minimum wage (heaven forbid, think of the burden on our beloved corporations!) it died.
So, for now, the super rich still gotta cough up some dough when they croak
Twostep
11-17-2006, 04:40 AM
As usual, the right-wing propagada machine geared up and supported the estate tax cut by saying it would help small businesses and farmers, the usual alarmist hogwash.
Cutting the estate tax helps the heirs of any estate that exceeds the exemption amount, period. If you inherit a 10 million dollar farm operation today, you'll pay 55 percent of 8 million in taxes. That's 4 1/2 million clams, due 9 months after your benefactor dies. Ask any farmer who's been in this situation what his/her options are at this point.:eek:
Myself, I say scuttle the estate tax, income tax, gasoline tax, tobacco tax, etc - and implement a fixed-rate national sales tax. Of course, that makes sense and is fair to all, rich or poor - the exact reason why you'll never see Congress even consider such a tax.
realfire
11-17-2006, 06:48 AM
Cutting the estate tax helps the heirs of any estate that exceeds the exemption amount, period. If you inherit a 10 million dollar farm operation today, you'll pay 55 percent of 8 million in taxes. That's 4 1/2 million clams, due 9 months after your benefactor dies. Ask any farmer who's been in this situation what his/her options are at this point.:eek:
Myself, I say scuttle the estate tax, income tax, gasoline tax, tobacco tax, etc - and implement a fixed-rate national sales tax. Of course, that makes sense and is fair to all, rich or poor - the exact reason why you'll never see Congress even consider such a tax.
then what you going to do, audit all small business's to make sure their paying
all the sales tax?
how the fuck we going to spend a couple billion dollars a week in iraq with that pocket change?
the middle class is worse off then ever, now we will be doing FREE trade with
vietnam next, lets out source some more jobs
just another day in the deep south, social cons main concern are the 3 G's
TS,
I'm glad you have calmed somewhat. I can understand having to deal with a situation such as yours. Taxes have been a sore spot with me since I started my business 8yrs. back. I can now track on paper how I pay more than fifty percent of total sales that go to one form of taxes or another.
I think if we went back to what Americans should be taxed for constitutionally we would all be a lot better off.
Twostep
11-17-2006, 08:45 PM
then what you going to do, audit all small business's to make sure their paying
all the sales tax?
Why not? It's done routinely, right now....the only difference is who would get the money and at what percentage. The procedure would be the same. As a small business owner, I can tell you I'd a hell of a lot rather pay one tax than have to deal with 50 of 'em like I do now....I could send a kid to college on just the money I'd save in accounting fees:eek:
The two billion dollars we spend a week in Iraq needs to come to a grinding halt, as soon as we can effectively get the hell outta there. I don't think anyone would disagree with that.
alsouthster
11-17-2006, 08:47 PM
Ask any farmer who's been in this situation what his/her options are at this point.
I know that was one of the talking points of the Republicans, and was repeated endlessly by the right wing media (" the death tax is killing American farms!!")...
But again, according to the Washington Post, non-partisan congressional committees and all sorts of other sources only one in 20 farms have to pay up...that's only the wealthiest 2 per cent of all American farms.
HOWEVER, also according to a study commisioned by the Washington Post, if the Republicans had have succeeded in cutting the "death tax"
The heirs of W. would have got an extra 9.9 million
The heirs of Cheney an extra 40 million
And the heirs of Rumsfeld an extra 120 million
hahahaha it's so brazen I almost admire it ;)
realfire
11-17-2006, 08:50 PM
I have no problem with fiscal cons, but's the asshole's social cons get in the way
the 3 G's baby, guns, god & gays, meanwhile I'm paying $400.00 a month for health insurance, how about somebody doing something to cut that in half, I don't mind paying $200.00, yeah, yeah, blame the jobs going overseas on the unions & the cost of health insurance on lawsuits, bullshit
smilingjack
11-17-2006, 08:55 PM
The two billion dollars we spend a week in Iraq needs to come to a grinding halt
They will just invade another country
War is Good Business
Invest you son
We need it to keep our economy growing
Bandit5906
11-17-2006, 10:59 PM
With 4.4% unemployment tell me again how many jobs are going overseas: while you're at it tell me also why corporation are having a problem hiring qualified people (and price is not an issue either).
The US economy could hardly be stronger!
smilingjack
11-17-2006, 11:13 PM
The two billion dollars going it is OK
making bomb, hummers, aircraft ammunition
It afterward we got to worry the one billion we gave them as aid
the Chinese have all the restaurant
the Viet Nam own all the convince store
the Pakistan's have all the motels
the Arab own all the taxi cabs
what are the Iraq refuges going to own ?
the laundry's (I thing the wash the sheet the wear)
I thought the Chinese have the laundy's too.
On the issue of this 55% "Death tax", I think you must have had a real dipshit for an attorny and financial advisor there Twostep. There are a lot, and I mean A LOT, of loopholes. For instance, in my case, my estate will go into an intrest earning account that will build every year even with the scholership money taken out of it. There will be virtually no taxes on it because it's going to a charity so to speak. There is always that one time gift of up to a certain amount that is tax free, etc.........what I'm trying to say twostep, is that you didn't get screwed by the "death tax", you got screwed by your attorny and who ever you hired to handle your mothers affairs. They didn't do their job right if you got it in the keister that bad.
realfire
11-18-2006, 01:19 AM
With 4.4% unemployment tell me again how many jobs are going overseas: while you're at it tell me also why corporation are having a problem hiring qualified people (and price is not an issue either).
The US economy could hardly be stronger!
BULLSHIT!!! , any job that you can NOT clear atleast $300.00 a week with
benefits is not a job
let's see what the unemployment rate is with my quota
Bandit5906
11-18-2006, 02:10 AM
In your humble opinion, of course!
Why not make it $1000.00 a week?
So why we are talking fiscal injustices. As in an example for TS. I have the ripoff story of a small business for the year. A simple human judgment error of an employee. Total of 8 stitches. $36,000 and counting.
cojones
11-18-2006, 05:09 AM
Just remember, the were saying the same thing about the democratic party when they were in power.
Nothing changes, they were saying the same thing about Republican when the democratic took office.
It goes round and round
They are all crook out to get money and power for themselves
I TOTALY AGREE WITH YOU SJ.;)
Twostep
11-18-2006, 07:18 AM
On the issue of this 55% "Death tax", I think you must have had a real dipshit for an attorny and financial advisor there Twostep.
In my Mom's case, you're probably right. The attorney was hired to deal with issues involving the sale of the house...but I handled the rest personally. Yeah, I know, he who becomes his own attorney has a fool for a client....
In Dad's case, there was plenty of gifting, tax shelters, loopholes and charitable trusts in place. My share of the inheritance was only a portion of the entire amount. Dad was an excellent financial planner. However, the remainder (what was LEFT, just as I posted) was taxed at 55 percent.
Republican media? You got to be shittin' me, AlSouthster...:rolleyes::D:eek:...other than Limbaugh and Hannity, there IS no Republican media. I live where there's lots of farms. I personally know at least 3 individuals who were smoked bad by the estate tax. If my stats are in error, it's not because I'm trying to advance some Republican theory. Sorry.
A note on the US Economy....look back through the years, you'll see the economy cycles up and down. Bush didn't wreck it, Bush won't save it. Neither did Clinton. Presidents have a degree of impact, but to blame the economy (or lack thereof) on the Pres or on a political party in general is less than factual. If you pay a ton for health insurance (400 a month? Try 1300), have way too much month at the end of the money, or lost your job to some foreign labor force, it's natural for you to blame those in power at the time. The truth is there are hundreds of factors involved, and very few that center on the dude in the Oval Office.
Realfire, you say bullshit, if you don't make 300 a week plus benefits, it's not even a job......50 bucks a week with no benefits is a good job in lots of other countries....and that's exactly why they have your job. When your union bowed up and said '45 bucks an hour, cradle-to grave health care and lifetime pensions' at the board of directors' meeting - well, the company just said 'fuck this...we're outta here......and natch, the company (and the Republicans) got the blame.
Only Realfire had anything to say about my national sales tax idea, and of course he thought it was insane. Comments?
So in otherwords twostep, if you don't work the system, the system is going to work you. .....as the saying goes.
I don't think we need more taxes per se. What we really need most is to be able to trust in the folks that determine where all those tax dollars go, and be held accountable every step they make.
realfire
11-18-2006, 08:36 AM
In your humble opinion, of course!
Why not make it $1000.00 a week?
great spin
Sure TS, I agree that a flat tax would be excellent. The problem is it only looks good on paper. No practical way for it to work in the real world. The better approach is to take the government and overhaul it. We can do it every election cycle until we get it right. Be the expletive delitive a Dem., rep.,an independent, or green party or any other. I suggest as an example, any politician who runs a negative ad either one he approves of or his party donated, should not get one single vote.
Twostep
11-18-2006, 06:51 PM
Sure TS, I agree that a flat tax would be excellent. The problem is it only looks good on paper. No practical way for it to work in the real world. The better approach is to take the government and overhaul it.
I think it could work. The major stumbling block is the 535 folks on Capitol Hill, whose cash cow would of course be altered by such a drastic change in the way this country taxes its citizens.
And we agree to a T on overhauling government - even if our grandkids may not live long enough to see it happen. And a big Amen to the negative-ad idea.
I'll tell you what.... this has been cussed and discussed in threads elsewhere, but the biggest threat to the existence of America doesn't lie in the form of unfair taxes. Apathy and the current level of political correctness we've become strapped with are opening the doors to destruction - in the form of Radical Islam. Watch the specials they're showing on television as of late, both conservative and liberal networks. I hope the Democrats - ANYBODY - has some sort of an agenda to confront this nightmare; I have no doubt the very existence of civilization depends on it. Think of Hitler with nukes - and you get the idea of what's in store, if RI has its' way.
I've drifted a bit, but here's the bottom line - I didn't help put the Democrats in power, but they're in there - and it's our duty to put partisan bickering aside and get something done. I don't like Pelosi-style San Francisco values or being taxed to death, but that's the least of our worries. Making America strong and respectable again is the only thing that matters in the end.
Twostep ol buddy. I could not agree with you more.
People, take a look at this. It should be required viewing for EVERY American IMHO.
hxxp://www.obsessionthemovie.com/
I am also in agreement with putting the partisan bickering aside. I'm fucking sick of it.
snake173
11-19-2006, 06:10 AM
These people are out to exterminate U.S. and the rest of the free christian world.
Stop buying gas at the places stop spending you dollars with them the Islamic people are smiling and telling you that they are not a part of the Radical group they read the same book and pray toward the same place they send there money to them becuase the are chicken. They ran to this country but yet they do nothing to put a stop to whats happening they want us to do it so they can save there people from retubition. It's time some of that retubition starts right here where they live and make the bucks they are sending to there bomb builders. We do not have to stoop to violiance just stop spending you bucks with them. Eat mexican and buy gas from places owned by americans or our nothern brothers. Bucks are the answer and we are missing the opertunity to have any leverage over them if they start going broke then we might get there attention inbetween the 4 or 5 prayers they have to do to learn how they are going to stick it to us to day.
Snake173
Twostep
11-19-2006, 07:20 AM
Bucks are the answer and we are missing the opertunity to have any leverage over them if they start going broke then we might get there attention
Snake, while your stand against radical Islam (as opposed to mainstream Muslims) is admirable, breaking them financially is a pretty tall order. How much oil do you reckon Ahmadinejad is sitting on? We're talking billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars...besides, Americans are going to buy gas wherever they find it the cheapest, and if the oil used to make that gas came from Iran, 99 percent of us could care less. While that may be unfortunate that's the way it is.
There's been lots of recent documentaries on radical Islam, and lots more coming. I think this is a great start. Expose them for the murdering bastards they really are.
snake173
11-19-2006, 09:48 PM
Oil is not what I was talking about how many of the convience stores have you seen operated buy anything but Moslims and they don't employ the locals the bring in the own kind as the will work for little or nothing to get here and after they have repaid there importer they leave. The own many of the truck stops now also. When they buy in its not long befroe it only there new imports that work there. Everyone thinks it's becuase the are hard workers and the americans are bad employee's well if you were going to invade a place where would you start and be in a place to bring the young man power they are going to need when the crunch comes how many of them have there wifes working there. How many of them have wifes. They live apartments 4 and 5 in a two bedroom apartment think what you will but as a person who has read of the great conquest of the world. The German's tried the blitz, We tried to install Domocary, The Romans built the country's, The Inca and Myan tried to control the population with gods and sacriface. The one that came the closest to getting the hole apple was Genguis Con I think we are not carefully enough when the time comes we will have given this country away and a sure measure will come when we pull out of Iraq they will bring back the gunney sack for there woman and crunch that not for real Governement we have started there in the name of Domocary. The great civilazations of the world are seldom repeated. They are copied sometimes but it must be an adptation and they have to figure it out for themself not something our government tries to create few people no what is the biggest Domocary in the world is becuase it's not like ours but was created buy it's own people and not U.S.
P.S. I was a fighter and a sailor please forgive my grammer and spelling wish Mili would put in a spell checker I would not look so dumb.
Once again I would like to thank the Head Dog catcher for the opertunity to have these discussions they are Kool
Snake173
realfire
11-20-2006, 01:58 AM
those are Indians running all you mentioned, hindu
there are a mix, but mostly realfire is correct. Hindu...
Hindu Indians are victums of RI just as much if not more than the rest of us.
I believe they are our friends and should NOT be lumped into the "towel head" pile for all the haters. I have Hindu friends from work, and they are some of the nicest folks you would ever want to meet.
smilingjack
11-20-2006, 02:10 AM
Convert all the gas engine to alcohol
(It only a jet or carb / fuel injection reprogramming)
And let the farmers grow alcohol.............
instead of the THING WE PAY for to feed all those starving million and let them Peon stave in the dark or eat that oil.
OverEasy
11-20-2006, 06:41 AM
Grow ! ! Grow ! ! Grow ! ! Hemp For Fuel ! ! !
smilingjack you are correct let'em eat that oil.
HEMP for FUEL ! ! !
Hell HEMP for Everthing ! ! ! !
Bandit5906
11-20-2006, 03:19 PM
Drill, drill, drill!
Twostep
11-20-2006, 05:36 PM
Convert all the gas engine to alcohol
I'm all for that; only problem is that it takes as much petroleum to produce the ethanol as it saves by using the ethanol in the first place.
Lots and lots of people make vast sums of money as a result of Middle Eastern oil. As long as this remains the case and as long as nobody's willing to give up their Hummers and Excursions for something more efficient, don't look for alternative energy anytime soon.
Maybe this discussion belongs in the automotive thread. I'm not sure if I can figure out a way to blame the Liberals for our dependence on oil.:D
alsouthster
11-21-2006, 03:44 AM
People, take a look at this. It should be required viewing for EVERY American IMHO. hxxp://www.obsessionthemovie.com/ I am also in agreement with putting the partisan bickering aside. I'm fucking sick of it.
Hey I thought partisan bickering was the cornerstone of democracy LOL
Personally, I like the bickering. I could go out to a Canadian bar and discuss Canadian politics with my fellow liberal pinheads but ZZZZZZZZ....plus you can't smoke in the bars anymore, the liberal nanny state has seen to that hahaha
But Ohms I find it ironic that you say you are fucken sick of the partisan bickering right below a link of a movie that appeared on Fox news (repeatedly, right before the election), that won the grand prize at the conservative Liberty Film Festival, that many would argue is a piece of Israeli propaganda.
The film has some good disturbing shit, don't get me wrong, but you have to at least consider this: it was made by honestreporting.com, which was established by Aish Hatorah, which is an orthodox Israeli sect with links to the right wing Likud govt.
so you gotta entertain the remote possibility that it might be heavily portraying the Israeli point of view LOL
Which is not to say that there is not a Radical Islam menace...there for sure is...but I would argue that instilling panic and fearmongering and calling people towelheads and making jokes about napalm and torture and nuking em all...
is not gonna make the situation any better hahahahaha
btw not that it will help my argument which I am sure most of you will think is moronic..but...I did spend a year in INdonesia, back in 89, and it was great. Nice beaches, aussie hos, lots of booze...which is to say it was a secular state LOL
But things there are changing...lunatic muslims are a main factor for sure but American foreign policy and its blind support for Israel ain't helping IMHO
alsouthster
It appears that I didn't make myself clear enough. I was speaking about Republican and Democrat bickering within the United States. This statement has nothing to do with Radical Islam. I see no irony in it.
Also, I don't believe the movie is a piece of Israeli propaganda as you attemt to argue. I take it very seriously.
I don't believe there is blind support for Israel just like there was no blind support for our allies in Europe when the same thing was tried by Nazi Germany. This is what men of honor do for their allies. A concept that many other countries seem to be oblivious of.
Bandit5906
11-21-2006, 04:30 AM
Personally, I like the bickering (who don't know that?)
that many would argue is a piece of Israeli propaganda (rubbish)!
...but I would argue that instilling panic and fearmongering and calling people towelheads and making jokes about napalm and torture and nuking em all...
is not gonna make the situation any better hahahahaha (works for me though)!
blind support for Israel ain't helping (Blind support? BS, they have a God-Given right to exist) IMAO!
alsouthster
11-21-2006, 04:46 AM
ohms
my point was that Fox airing that movie right before the election was partisan! It was pretty much the last card the republicans had to play...scare the populace into voting republican cuz all dems are pussies.....but alas the game was already lost
p.s. the show that Glen Beck, also a notorious I mean noted conservative, aired on CNN after the election, was partisan too...:)
Bandit5906
11-21-2006, 04:57 AM
Glen (sic) Beck has all along suggested that voters vote the person rather than the party, but to a moonbat that would make him a "noted Conservative"!
Got your tin-hat on?
So what your saying Bandit is that Jews, Christians and other western religions have a "god given right" to exist, while the Islamic folks do not? Funny how they feel the exact same way, except they feel they are the only ones who deserve to live.
I have to agree, I think that obsession movie is an advertisement for Israel in so many ways it is suspicious. I think stepping back our aid to Israel would go a long way to promoting peace in the middle east.
alsouthster
11-21-2006, 05:12 AM
Got your tin-hat on?
Up here we wear tuques!
Twostep
11-21-2006, 08:13 AM
I think stepping back our aid to Israel would go a long way to promoting peace in the middle east.
I can understand why you'd say such a thing, JT, but I doubt it would be the case.
Weakening Israel might allow Iran to stomp their asses into oblivion, and then what? Iran's president wants a one world order centered around Radical Islam idealogies. He will never settle for anything less, as long as he's still drawing a breath. This is a 21st century Hitler, with Allah, 100 million fanatics and billions of oil dollars backing him up.
There will never be peace in the Middle East. Never. Never has been, never will. America can vanish tomorrow and the fighting won't even slow down.
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