I will put prayer rugs on sale shortly

[mili]

It seems you guys in the USA will need them in the near future:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=20870

mili

[rg6a]

It seems you guys in the USA will need them in the near future:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=20870

mili


What about Canada, they're worse off with this multiculturalism bullshit. Newspaper article about a year ago said that by 2020 caucasians will be a minority group!!

Things are changing everywhere, this radical islam thing is very, very worrisome. The Ottoman Empire had a rule, convert or die, very democratic and they treat their dogs better than their women.


Actually, dogs are considered 'filthy animals' in Islam, the Saudis cracked down on pet ownership about six months ago. Don't believe it, do a Search!



PS what ever happened to the notion of separation of church and state???

[JT]

theconservativevoice.com ????? Come on Mili, where's your objectivity? We listening to Rush Limburger and G. Gordon Liddy now too? (a drug addict and a convicted treasonist respectively) That article is nothing more than GOP propaganda with a mission against Pelosi. You got to love that GOP propaganda machine. They are efficent. They're also full of shit most of the time too is the problem.

[OverEasy]

theconservativevoice.com ????? Come on Mili, where's your objectivity? We listening to Rush Limburger and G. Gordon Liddy now too? (a drug addict and a convicted treasonist respectively) That article is nothing more than GOP propaganda with a mission against Pelosi. You got to love that GOP propaganda machine. They are efficent. They're also full of shit most of the time too is the problem.

Mili can see the Light/Rug at the END of a Dark Tunnel with Pelosi leading
the charge ! ! ! ! :eek: :eek:

[Twostep]

That article is nothing more than GOP propaganda
Don't make a shit if it is or not, JT. I don't see it as a right/left issue.

Those 6 clerics that were bounced from the US Air jet are now demanding that airports install prayer rooms. Think about that. You aren't allowed to publically display ANY type of Christian symbol on public property - in a country that was founded by Christians. Now Middle Easterners are coming HERE threatening lawsuits if WE don't submit to Islamic principles. I don't know and don't care whether the Rep's or the Dem's are the ones supportive of this insanity. It's total, complete, utter nonsense.

Fuck 'em. And the more I think about it, just motherfuck 'em.:mad: US Air made only one mistake - instead of removing those 6 Imams at the gate, they should have done so at 35,000 feet.

I can just see myself moving to Iran and demanding they start building churches. Shit. If an American was even heard saying the word 'Jesus' in any Islamic country, they wouldn't live another 60 seconds.

[JT]

I won't even read anything on any website that so clearly has an agenda. In this case the website is theconservativevoice.com. Would you take to heart, or even visit the website if it was theliberalvoice.com? Now answer honestly twostep and OverEasy.........I try to keep my news objective and peer reviewed. That pretty much eliminates every source for info there is on the net. Sites like the one linked to above and the one I just made up clearly have a predetermined agenda and not only are they going to report only certain views, but they're going to twist what few facts they report to validate their viewpoint.

I do most definately agree with you on your clerics on the plane bit though twostep. That was a BS set up from the get go.

[ghost71799]

Come on Jt, it gave grant.

Always and forever.

Only the building of "church", for only teh,shall, may, or mah the good man pass.

Ghost

[fubr]

#1 JT you know I consider you a close "internet friend" but G. Gordon Liddy treasonist?? Should have heard his interview on Opie and Anthony bout a year ago. The guy knows something is the only reason he is still alive.
#2 The 6 guys you arrested, WELL here some things thru the grapevine that the press choose not to report.
1. They all had one way tickets?
2.They were overheard in their prayers saying "down with America.
3. One of them had a first class ticket, the rest were scattered out among the plane, WHY not sit together???
4. six people and only had ONE bag between them.

If I was captain of that plane HELL NO they aint going for a ride....
IT WAS A TEST!!! They were testing to see how far they could go and not get caught. This came from a retired Air Marshall, He also claimed that while these guys were going thru all the crap getting kicked off the real test was being carried out behind the scenes.
There are many many things that happen everyday we never hear about.
THIS ONE made a good story and another case for the ACLU to get attention from. HELL they are probably the ones who staged this bullshit.


WHEN WILL WE STOP profiling ARABS???????
WHEN the old white Grandma's are the one blowing up the planes!!!
then we profile them too, till then the arabs need to bite the bullet and live (deal) with it, screw random screening, have two lines at airport, Middle Eastern decent get in this line (and arrive early)
all others get in this line!!

[mili]

I am convinced the USA is on the decline because of tolerating intolerance, tripping over itself to be politically correct and because EVERYTHING is for sale not to mention the only God being worshipped across the board is the US Dollar.

mili

[ghost71799]

I was backing you until just then Mili, please explain yourself, even though you do not have too.

Life gathers and then goes beyond.

Ghost

[JT]

#1 JT you know I consider you a close "internet friend" but G. Gordon Liddy treasonist?? Should have heard his interview on Opie and Anthony bout a year ago. The guy knows something is the only reason he is still alive.
....


G. Gordon Liddy was convicted of treason because of his involvment in the Watergate scandal in the Nixon years. He we big in the Nixon administration and one of only a few that were actually convicted. I didn't just make that up. He wasn't just charged, he was convicted. That's why it astonishes me the guy is ever given any credibility in any arena. The man was convicted of crimes against his own country.

[1one]

I see they are beating up the liberals in this thread also. Just seems that to be conservative, only means blinfolded nowdays. How about Cheny's daughter? Yes she is within her rights as a citizen of the U.S. but to be openly doing something as foolish(my opinion) as having a child with another woman? I sure hope neither of my daughters ever shows this type of disrespect.

[cold iron]

G. Gordon Liddy was convicted, but only because he would not rat on the others in the grope, that was why he got jailed.
Mili is right, America is going down hill and fast because of PC crap. All muslins are not terrorist, but terrorist are Muslin.


HOW BAD WOULD IT BE IF WE HAVE COVERT TO ISALM.
It may not be that bad.

No more drugs, they will just kill you if caught.
No more unemployment, women will not be allowed to work, there will be lots of jobs.
No more drunk's, alcohol is banded.
No more expensive cloths for your wife, she only will needs a burka.
You don’t have to go the church every Sunday, you can watch foot ball all day.
Your school taxes will go down, less schools will be needed since girls will not be allowed in school.
Less traffic on the roads, since woman will not be allowed to drive a car. Gas prices will go down.
Animals like clams, shrimp, and lobsters living in the sea will be safer, since we will not be allowed to eat them.
No more cheating on your spouse. If you get cought they will just kill you.
Men will also save on buying razors, you will have to grow a large beard.
This may please some men, you can have as many wives as you want!
But, If your Jewish, this could be very bad.
So there is some up side to it. LOL

[fubr]

Yes I understand he was convicted, But I do not consider him a treason-ist.

Been checking out Lou Dobbs some, I might read one of his books.
Only know a little bit of what he says I need more info on him before I decide to like him.


Yep we are heading for a fall in the good ole USA, even the Roman Empire did not last forever. If we do not assimilate the people who are already here into Americans we can forget it. Seems nothing we can do about it, I worry for my kids and soon to be Grandkids. SOmetimes I wonder why not just say fuck it and why bother even trying anymore, Makes me want to get fucked up sometimes!

[Twostep]

I won't even read anything on any website that so clearly has an agenda. In this case the website is theconservativevoice.com. Would you take to heart, or even visit the website if it was theliberalvoice.com? Now answer honestly twostep and OverEasy.........
Easy, JT:)

Why would anyone be surprised that TheConservativeVoice is conservative? I've honestly never heard of it, and don't really care to spend hours doing so. But it doesn't matter - the deal with the 6 Imams isn't right/left politics anyway. Every American should speak out against this crap, irrespective of your policital affiliation. MoveOn.org ought to be printing the same thing.

I don't think these 6 were making a 'dry run'. I think it was a carefully calculated series of events to exploit America's weak-ass political correctness attitude, designed to draw sympathy for Muslims abroad, whipping up even more frenzy among nations that don't like the US.

I say put these 6 on the national Do Not Fly list, then STFU about it. There's nothing a radical loves more than publicity, and these cats don't even deserve a mention on page 37 of the D section. Fuck 'em.

The day Americans stop being political pussies and start being AMERICANS again will be the day we can start taking our country back. As for prayer rugs I have no problem with them at all. But like anything else, there's a time and a place. Laying one out at a major airport and shouting "Allah Akbar' doesn't fit real well with me. Left or Right, you need to make a stand.

[Ohms]

I think the only problem with the "information" here is that TheConservativeVoice is not on JT's & 1one's approved and 100% believable propaganda distribution source list.

I KNOW it's true cause I read it on the internet.

[JT]

I'm going to say it again, G. Gordon Liddy was convicted of treason while he was working as an attorney in the Nixon administrations treasury department. He was found guilty of funneling federal money to what were then called the "plumbers". It's the "plumbers" that perpetrated the Watergate Hotel break in so they could tamper with election results. (see, election tampering has been going on long before the 2000 election:D ) No one, and I mean NO ONE who has been convicted of treason has the best intrest of thier contry in their heart. Treason is crime(s) against your country. That's why it astonishes me that people, at least the right wingers anyway, give this guy any credibility at all. All the dude has ever done is promote a secret government that has no intrest in the well being of America's citizens, and he began his career under Hoover doing much the same things. Anyone who's ever been convicted of treason is, by definition, not a patriot in any way. Liddy defrauded the American people, got caught, and he is still making a career out of doing much the same things he went to jail for.

Now, to get back to my original point of what is, and is not news. Anything you read on the internet IS NOT news. It's one, or a group of peoples opinions. Nothing more. What you read that claims to be news on the internet is called a blog, and you can say anything you want without the need to back it up with facts. You can not trust the internet to be objective, factual, or accurate.

If you wan't news you will have to watch it on an official news network or read it in your newspaper. These guys are held accountable for what they print and broadcast....at least a fair portion of the time anyway.:p The spinsters for most every special intrest group have even infiltrated genuine news agencies to a certain degree, and that makes me sick. An uninformed, or deliberately misled citizen can not make educated decisions on how to vote or even what the important issues are. It's not the PC movement, although that does bother me as well, that is ruining America today. It's the deliberate and calculated deception and misinformation we are being given to base our decisions on that is ruining America. Instead of worrying about who to blame for this situation we should simply demand to be told the fact with no bias in any way so we can make accurate, informed decisions on our own. Just the facts ma'am, as agent Friday would say. (talk about dating myself:eek: )

[1one]

I think the only problem with the "information" here is that TheConservativeVoice is not on JT's & 1one's approved and 100% believable propaganda distribution source list.

I KNOW it's true cause I read it on the internet.

An example of truth Ohms would go like this. :
Chaney has a hunting accident. He if found to be in violation of Texas game laws. In an effort to divert attention to any criminal laws he may have broken he leaves the scene and the state.

That would be factual. And if I may add, had that been me, I would have been prosecuted and fined for the simple fact that I did not posses a hunting license.

[badger6]

I am convinced the USA is on the decline because of tolerating intolerance, tripping over itself to be politically correct and because EVERYTHING is for sale not to mention the only God being worshipped across the board is the US Dollar.

mili

Fuckin' A right brother. The allmighty dollar you are talking about is a symptom of the the greater problem though. Instant gratification is the problem with people these days in this country. Most people want what they want and they want it right now. And that includes me too, to some extent. Its all a matter of integrity. People these days can justify any action in order to get what they want.

[badger6]

Yes I understand he was convicted, But I do not consider him a treason-ist.

Been checking out Lou Dobbs some, I might read one of his books.
Only know a little bit of what he says I need more info on him before I decide to like him.


Yep we are heading for a fall in the good ole USA, even the Roman Empire did not last forever. If we do not assimilate the people who are already here into Americans we can forget it. Seems nothing we can do about it, I worry for my kids and soon to be Grandkids. SOmetimes I wonder why not just say fuck it and why bother even trying anymore, Makes me want to get fucked up sometimes!
Make me want to get fucked up ALL the time, but the old liver has too many miles on it for that, hehehe. So whats a poor fucker to do ???

[Ohms]

An example of truth Ohms would go like this. :
Chaney has a hunting accident. He if found to be in violation of Texas game laws. In an effort to divert attention to any criminal laws he may have broken he leaves the scene and the state.

That would be factual. And if I may add, had that been me, I would have been prosecuted and fined for the simple fact that I did not posses a hunting license.


Yeah, and on top of that, it wasn't even Lawyer season. ;)

[davidghoser]

Liberals don't see Islam as a threat. They'll be too busy working towards world socialism and impeaching Bush. South American is almost completely riddled with left wing governments. And some in Mexico say they won there this time, too. Fuck. The amazing political correctness and control governments have over everything you do is one reason I left Canada.

Now it's happening in the USA.

Where can we go when our only two choices in the future are Islam or Socialism? (and you ain't safe in the Bahamas, either, once America falls, my friend)

We gotta stand and fight right here.

[kable2]

badger6, save the liver get fucked up on some weed, much better for you then alcohol. ;)


immigration must be stoped. its fucking up both of our countries

[smilingjack]

That would be factual. And if I may add, had that been me, I would have been prosecuted and fined for the simple fact that I did not posses a hunting license

hahahha
only poor people need hunting license in Texas.
The rich people go to "privet hunting preserves" and don't need one.

[1one]

hahahha
only poor people need hunting license in Texas.
The rich people go to "privet hunting preserves" and don't need one.

True. But if my memory is not shot, I remember something to the effect of he was not a member of the family and was in fact in violation. Of course nothing ever comes of it when the right breakes the law. Kind of similar to the Foley scandal. Go over to myspace and post the same shit as he did to any minor and see if the feds come calling.

[Bandit5906]

If you wan't news you will have to watch it on an official news network or read it in your newspaper. These guys are held accountable for what they print and broadcast....at least a fair portion of the time anyway. The spinsters for most every special intrest group have even infiltrated genuine news agencies to a certain degree, and that makes me sick. An uninformed, or deliberately misled citizen can not make educated decisions on how to vote or even what the important issues are. It's not the PC movement, although that does bother me as well, that is ruining America today. It's the deliberate and calculated deception and misinformation we are being given to base our decisions on that is ruining America. Instead of worrying about who to blame for this situation we should simply demand to be told the fact with no bias in any way so we can make accurate, informed decisions on our own. Just the facts ma'am, as agent Friday would say. (talk about dating myself

Still believe in Santa?

We should listen to the drive-by media for our news? Are you outta your mind?

[fubr]

right!
Them fuckers should be sitting behind a desk with a clock on the wall behind them and a stack of papers in their hand, NO more of the ticker tapes and logos and all that shit the news is full of now except for the damn news!

They no more serve the public than Adams housecat..

[alsouthster]

uhhh some of you guys are sounding a little paranoid
obviously the lunatic fundamentalist muslims are a problem...but they ain't on your shores raping your wives yet
they caused some big damage true....

But talk to anyone who lived through the London blitz (my relatives)
Talk to anyone who lived through the Holocaust (my wive's relatives..well, a few of em, anyway).

Standing up and fighting for what you believe is a tough and nasty and sometimes neccesary business but going berserk and getting suspicious of everyone who is a little different..or even a lot different...is a bad bad policy.

I am surprised that some of the right wing people here would be so quick to sacrifice their personal liberties—in other words hand over unprecedented powers to the govt to invade your privacy— cuz Bush et al says it is a good idea.
That would be the same Bush govt that invaded Iraq on a false premise with a bad plan..we see how that is going

btw, I heard (on NPR haha) a conservative guy saying he wanted to start a new US political party the LIBERALATARIANS...not kidding....where the right meets left...anyone in? ;)

[bud02]

(quote) But talk to anyone who lived through the London blitz (my relatives)
Talk to anyone who lived through the Holocaust (my wive's relatives..well, a few of em, anyway).
Standing up and fighting for what you believe is a tough and nasty and sometimes neccesary business.

I'll bet your family was not to quick in WWll to give every German they met the benifit of the doubt eather. Maybe they were a little paranoid also.
Were dealing with people willing to give their lives (suicide) to make a political or radical religious statement. It is tough and nasty and you have to deal with it the same way. Common sense told people in WWll to beware of German accents, we should follow the same logic.

[Matisse]

before i convert to islam....can i please...mr mohamed....see those 72 virgins ill get to fuck in the hereafter?

i needs me some more convincin'.....can i fuck..say...three of them first...?

know who's laughing their asses off people?.....native americans in both canada and america....there all saying.....now you know how it feels to be forced into someone elses religious beliefs

suck it....white mofo's

mr mohamed...fuck you and your virgins.....god doesnt exist...darwin was right

richard dawkins....the god delusion......and epiphany of why all religions are basically fucked up and harmful

sagan thought it was all bullshit too

america has become weak....thats why we are losing the war....having the most and best weapons doesnt mean shit if you aint got the heart to see it thru..we bombed the shit outta north vietnam...got our asses kicked...bombed the shit outta iraq....gettin' our asses kicked......if we go fuck with those koreans...guess what?.....we;ll have our asses handed to us unless we use nukes

god doesnt exist except for in the imaginations of mankind in some form or another

and besides...if a god did exist..who would want to worship one so powerful enough to create everything yet lets so much misery traverse all lives and cultures?

hey..did you catch wonder woman aka linda carter on that fucked up dukes of hazard movie?....

man..id still like to climb that body of hers and lick my way down

im funny like that..i hope willy nelson got to fuck her.....:):):)

[ankhfnkhonsu]

Don't be fooled by the fact that information comes from 'conservative' sources. (You can ignore total scum like Pat Buchanan but be aware that there is some very important information out there that is not readily available elsewhere)
They are the only sites that are giving voices to some important people like Walid Shoebat and Brigitte Gabriel who are Arabs and who are loudly telling us to wake up.
The mainstream media( despite what the islamists say) is afraid to tell the complete story and academia is being taken over by politically correct left-wing useful idiots.
There are very few courageous Arabs and muslims who are essentially saying the same things that you can read on these sites but is only otherwise available on more progressive (but not left-wing pc) sites such as MEMRI; today's release is an important case in point:

http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD138606
Frangeria is spreading to our shores.

[mili]

The US troops in Iraq should dip their bullets in pig blood before lock and load. That should discourage them fucking martyrs rather nicely.

mili

[davidghoser]

Amen, Gen. Mili Pershing!

[cold iron]

The US troops in Iraq should dip their bullets in pig blood before lock and load. That should discourage them fucking martyrs rather nicely.

mili

Well said Mili

[ankhfnkhonsu]

These people are quite capable of killing each other on their own so why put anyone else in jeopardy.

If those idiots in Washington had any brains at this point they should withdraw into Kurdistan where they are liked and let the rest of those useless excuses for humans go loose on themselves causing the Persians and hizbonazis on one hand and the Syrians and the other Sunni backers to get sucked in a very big way against each other. Even the shiite groups would be at each other's throats. (Naah...I guess they were too busy taking care of their themselves for so long and have done such damage to awareness of the ultimate dangers and have left the door wide open for the politcally correct Democrat types like Pelosi and the arab-loving congressman from Detroitistan that no one is in a position in the Capital to be Machiavellian.)

Why are they still discrediting the PMOI (Peoples Mojehedin of Iran) ? These people are the only effective opposition group and ones who want to do the job against monkey-boy of Tehran and his holy roller masters. It would seem to be emminently practical to give them the guns and the money and turn them loose.

These guys and their hizbo enforcers think that they always control the board and the West is letting them do so. Isn't time to be proactive and hit them where it really hurts?

[Twostep]

Iran is 'ground zero' for 21st-century radical Islam, folks....and the rest of the world better wake up and realize what's really happening. And not just America. Those who think installing a war-hating liberal in the White House is the answer, damn - get real.....those who think we can talk our way out of the problem of international terror are literally living in the twilight zone.

The Mullahs and Ayatollahs that actually run Iran want YOU, Mr. Zionist, DEAD. You, Mr. Jew, DEAD. You, anybody who doesn't conform to strict Islamic principles, DEAD. You can be from the Phillipines or from Iceland; it matters not. You conform, or you die. One world order, Radical Islam. That's it. Accept it or be dead.

These people live in a world of deception and propaganda - hell, you can't blame these young suicide bombers; they're deliberately supressed and kept in total poverty their entire lives, hear nothing but government-sponsored bullshit on their radios and TV sets (and you think WE have propaganda here!) and when they're offered all the benefits of martyrdom (virgins, paradise, favor with Mohammed, etc) it's pretty easy to understand why they'd believe it and have no qualms about following through with their actions.

Iran, and its leadership, is the modern-day equivalent of the Third Reich. Lots of folks wanted to pat Hitler on the ass, talk to him, use diplomatic solutions - just as many do with Iran today. WW2 was the result of all that bleeding-heart mentality.

Talk with Iran won't work. It can't work. It will never, ever work. The only way to get rid of such rattlesnakes is sever the heads. If America wants to do something constructive, it needs to work on a plan to get the Iranian people to do the cutting. 50 million people with the appropriate support and backing should be able to dump a few hundred old bearded fuckers and one ranting lunatic...should be a lot easier than the task facing us in Iraq.....

America is at the end of a dead-end street. That's bad. But a dead end street is the place you make a u-turn....are we gonna stop fighting ourselves and stand up to this threat?

Count me in.

[smilingjack]

I think is time for the C. I. A. to get back in the game again.

Spread lot of money and weapons against the Radical Islam Emmies.
And there must be a few countries who want to stater a war of invade the country. Give them support..... let them war against each other.

IT worked before

[ellsmako]

Sure the Chinese would love to have the oil and hey they do not seem to mind slaughing their own so whats a few mil Iragi's.

The place is a toilet now that the head psyco is slated for death . Yake a nut case to control nut cases,.. too bad because when ole crazy Saddam was there ,

the had universities, schools, and a lot of comfort. Women did better but then again the guy was nuts.

[Matisse]

Iran is 'ground zero' for 21st-century radical Islam, folks....and the rest of the world better wake up and realize what's really happening. And not just America. Those who think installing a war-hating liberal in the White House is the answer, damn - get real.....those who think we can talk our way out of the problem of international terror are literally living in the twilight zone.

The Mullahs and Ayatollahs that actually run Iran want YOU, Mr. Zionist, DEAD. You, Mr. Jew, DEAD. You, anybody who doesn't conform to strict Islamic principles, DEAD. You can be from the Phillipines or from Iceland; it matters not. You conform, or you die. One world order, Radical Islam. That's it. Accept it or be dead.

These people live in a world of deception and propaganda - hell, you can't blame these young suicide bombers; they're deliberately supressed and kept in total poverty their entire lives, hear nothing but government-sponsored bullshit on their radios and TV sets (and you think WE have propaganda here!) and when they're offered all the benefits of martyrdom (virgins, paradise, favor with Mohammed, etc) it's pretty easy to understand why they'd believe it and have no qualms about following through with their actions.

Iran, and its leadership, is the modern-day equivalent of the Third Reich. Lots of folks wanted to pat Hitler on the ass, talk to him, use diplomatic solutions - just as many do with Iran today. WW2 was the result of all that bleeding-heart mentality.

Talk with Iran won't work. It can't work. It will never, ever work. The only way to get rid of such rattlesnakes is sever the heads. If America wants to do something constructive, it needs to work on a plan to get the Iranian people to do the cutting. 50 million people with the appropriate support and backing should be able to dump a few hundred old bearded fuckers and one ranting lunatic...should be a lot easier than the task facing us in Iraq.....

America is at the end of a dead-end street. That's bad. But a dead end street is the place you make a u-turn....are we gonna stop fighting ourselves and stand up to this threat?

Count me in.

the people in the middle east have wills and convictions we in the pacified west,will never have......they have been warring with each other for over 2500 years....they live and die by the sword and their animosities are passed down from one generation to the next
we will never defeat a culture of men,children....GRANDMOTHERS..that willing to make a video of themselves with explosives strapped to their chests....and go detonate it killing themselves and many others

if you go and kill the mother or father of a young child over there....in 10 to 20 years...youll have to also kill that child who had years to steam and boil over the fact that someone killed his mummy and dada

we either need to kill the whole fuckin' lot of them with nuclear weapons or find a way to get off our addiction to their oil

if we can make the need of oil a thing of the past....fuckem'...let them all keep killin' themselves over there and keep every fuckin' one of them out of north america...and this means...mexico..america..canada

WATCH THIS VIDEO,THIS IS THE NEXT BILL GATES IN THE MAKING!!!!!!!!

hxxp://www.thatvideosite.com/view/2602.html

if this process can work for a vehicle....this will work to heat our homes as well

as long as we have assholes like bush/cheney in office who both have oklahoma/texas crude running thru their veins as do many congressman and senators.....technology like this will never take off

why isnt CNN and every other news organization pumping up this story?

where's 60 fuckin' minutes when we need them the most????

[Matisse]

notice in that video clip it was fox news that aired this story...finally...something credible comes from them

[smilingjack]

Watch the movie

"who kill the electric car"

the oil companies did it, assisted by the car manf.

[fsdhy]

i read this thread and couldn't stop laughing at how badly uninformed (or blatantly misinformed, in most cases) some of you are. a few of you are downright ignorant.

islam is not the problem. sure, ALL organized religions are good for nothing besides starting wars. however, islamic extremists are no more dangerous than christian extremists or any "domestic" terrorist organization. the only difference is that islam has been turned into the "enemy of the day" by the US gov't. without an enemy, like communists were, the gov't finds it hard to accomplish any of its goals. so they invented one. see the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares.

as far as all of this "liberal vs. pc" bullshit, you are all playing into their hands. whether you vote red or blue, you are voting for the same thing: a capitalist economy where 2% of the population owns 50% of the world's wealth. this is downright WRONG, and the longer you bunch of morons keep living in ignorance, the longer they get away with it. fuck the mass media (especially the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine Fox News). fuck the corporations that run the governments.

[JT]

Had to take the last line out there fsdhy. No personal attacks, not even in this forum.

[playme1979]

hmmmmmmmmm
well lets see the biggest problems we have in the middle east are problems our own politicians caused with their foriegn policy, and now we have very well accomplished crooks in the whitehouse trying to fuck things up worse. Everyone in this administration were told what would happen if we went into iraq and took saddam out of power, this is the reason bush senior didnt do it. These fuckers claim they didnt know what was going to happen WHEN are people going to wake up and understand this adminstration borders if not crosses the line of treason by taking us into a war over fucking oil. Anyone that says it was about anything else is lieing to theirselves or just down right fucking ignorant. I dont care what anyone thinks about the left because i stand in the middle i believe we should be drilling in alaska and in the gulf of mexico not fighting these dam towel heads over their fucking oil , I also believe we should be profiling at the airports, shutting down all of our borders to illegal immigration, so before u call me a liberal really read what i typed twice if u have to.

[Twostep]

whether you vote red or blue, you are voting for the same thing: a capitalist economy where 2% of the population owns 50% of the world's wealth

Well, if we shouldn't have a Capitalist economy, then the alternative is a Socialist one - such as Cuba or Venezuela, where instead of 2 percent of the population owning 50 percent of the wealth, one man owns it all. Enjoy your stay.:rolleyes:

The BBC hates America worse than you do. Sorry, but I'll pass on the video.

Islam IS the problem. Not Muslims. Radical Islam. You remember, the same Radical Islam that took out the Twin Towers 5 years ago. And if you're not a radical Islamist, Fsdhy, they're coming for you too....despite what you think of the US. And they'll keep coming for America, too, long after those 'accomplished crooks' and 'oil hungry morons' are out of office. Do you not remember 1993, when Yabba-Dabba-Do or whatever his name is tried to take out the WTC, while Clinton was in the White House? Not Clinton's fault anymore than it's Bush's fault.....and you say WE're uninformed? Ya, OK.

Conspiracy moonbats, ignore the preceding paragraph.

Iraq's a mess; you'll get no argument from me. Let's stand up their forces and get our asses OUT. We should have financed a coup years ago which would have gotten rid of Hussein and saved a hell of a lot of lives, money and forum posts.

How much are the prayer rugs, Mili? You might sell a couple to some posting right here in this thread.

[Bandit5906]

i read this thread and couldn't stop laughing at how badly uninformed (or blatantly misinformed, in most cases) some of you are. a few of you are downright ignorant.

islam is not the problem. sure, ALL organized religions are good for nothing besides starting wars. however, islamic extremists are no more dangerous than christian extremists or any "domestic" terrorist organization. the only difference is that islam has been turned into the "enemy of the day" by the US gov't. without an enemy, like communists were, the gov't finds it hard to accomplish any of its goals. so they invented one. see the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares.

as far as all of this "liberal vs. pc" bullshit, you are all playing into their hands. whether you vote red or blue, you are voting for the same thing: a capitalist economy where 2% of the population owns 50% of the world's wealth. this is downright WRONG, and the longer you bunch of morons keep living in ignorance, the longer they get away with it. fuck the mass media (especially the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine Fox News). fuck the corporations that run the governments.

Tell me what and when Christians have created terror? Do Christians behead people, do they ignite their dead captrives?

Radical Islam is the problem, Sir!

Tale off your tin hat and smell the roses!

[smilingjack]

HEHEHHEHEHH
I got a sombre and zerpae
I wonder if they would pass as a turban and a prayer rugs
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/smiling77551/Eastwood2.jpg

[ankhfnkhonsu]

Oh I just love being directed to the English media. This chump suggests that we all tune into BBC. Thanks so much. Was it muslim apologists and the oh-so humanist left-wing George Galloway(whose Respect Party's biggest financial contributor is the main man of the Islamic Party of Britain which amongst other things, advocates death to homosexuals) or Hizbo Robert Fisk (whose been rather quiet about Lebanon lately...hmm...).?

What's next jack? An invitation to read the Guardian On Line?
I just yearn to be educated.

Perhaps you are the moron? Or should I say the useful idiot.

The few courageous muslims that do speak out under the threat of death (even in places such as Canada, where I live) tell us repeatedly, to take these people at their word. Perhaps it is you that should go to the MEMRI site and read what these creatures are saying. Perhaps you should also go to Jihadwatch site or better, read Robert Spencer's (Phd. in Islamic Studies) book, "The Politically Incorrect GuidenTo Islam (and The Crusades).

People are finally starting to wake up, despite the moronic mainstream media who are afraid to say it all, like Murdoch's media( which incidentally is substatially owned by none other than Prince Al-waleed, the Saudi propagandist who is dumping tons of his money all over the U.S. in places like Columbia University and Harvard University to ensure the continuance of politically correct muslim lies by the academic useful idiots).

BTW there is no contradiction in despising the corrupt Bush gang and its stupid war in Iraq and advocating the greater battle against these nazis on our turf. Those assholes just damaged the cause and gave impetus to the apologists, defeatists and useful idiots.

[JT]

Tell me what and when Christians have created terror? Do Christians behead people, do they ignite their dead captrives?
Radical Islam is the problem, Sir!
Tale off your tin hat and smell the roses!

Um, you ever heard of "The Crusades"? That was 400 years of Christians torturing, burning at the stake and all manner of horrific mangeling and beheading of folks that didn't agree with the church. They even imprisioned the likes of Gallelleo and other scientists we now know were centuries ahead of their time.

During the Crusades, the Christians even practiced ethnic clensing after capturing Jerusalem. Historically, the Christians are just as radical and have displayed just as much lack of respect for life as the radical Islamists of today.

[JT]

Again, I had to take out that last line ankhfnkhonsu.

Anything goes in this forum EXCEPT personal attacks. No calling other members idiots or stupid fucks and the like. If you can't have a discussion without resorting to name calling then you don't deserve the forum to debate in. This is the second warning today. Direct attacks on other members, especially mods, will start resulting in bans if you guys can't keep yourselves in check. Using reason makes a point a lot better than name calling.

[cojones]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l161/blitzedbob/AV3CE612.gifnanananahnah!

[ankhfnkhonsu]

Other than the fact that the Crusades were over the top and somewhat misunderstood (see Spencer's book), even if there was a direct equivalence they occurred several hundred years ago and Christianity has evolved considerably since that time. Moreover, it is Islam that is stuck in a medieval mentality, not Christianity.

[kable2]

they should mix whatever parts they find of them suscide bombers with pig guts, then make whatever piece of shit they capture eat the terrorist/pig stew. then tatoo mohamed sucking a pig cock on their forehead, and then shoot them and add them to the stew.

ahhh fuck it just nuke the fuckers.

/mohamed is a pig fucker and fag

[playme1979]

Hitler was a christian

[rg6a]

It seems you guys in the USA will need them in the near future:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=20870

mili

Have been reading the following comments and for that person that blames this all on Capitalism, the Americans and whatever..........thing is we have Freedom of Speech in North American and other Democratic Judeo-Christian Countries, if he uttered this......would be stoned to death or beheaded.

Anyways, will enclose a text file that I received and remember I'm not the Author of this (however True it is).

[ankhfnkhonsu]

Hitler was not a Christian in any sense and to say so is to display an an abyssal ignorance of nazism, its basis,its dynamics and its ends. The destruction of Christianity and its replacement with national socialism with all its pagan Wagnerian mythology was the religious objective of Hitler and the SS.

[badger6]

Other than the fact that the Crusades were over the top and somewhat misunderstood (see Spencer's book), even if there was a direct equivalence they occurred several hundred years ago and Christianity has evolved considerably since that time. Moreover, it is Islam that is stuck in a medieval mentality, not Christianity.
Yea, christianity has really evolved since that time. Instead of torture, murder, and mayhem. They rape little kids, buy hookers, do drugs, and whatever the fuck else that they want to do. Then they justify it by saying that they are not perfect or the devil made me do it. Its all about getting what you want when you want it. Bunch of fucking hipocrites if you ask me.

[playme1979]

xxx.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

[smilingjack]

Oh I just love being directed to the English media. This chump suggests that we all tune into BBC. Thanks so much. Was it muslim apologists and the oh-so humanist left-wing George Galloway(whose Respect Party's biggest financial contributor is the main man of the Islamic Party of Britain which amongst other things, advocates death to homosexuals) or Hizbo Robert Fisk (whose been rather quiet about Lebanon lately...hmm...).?
What's next jack?
hahahaahah
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I'm against the English too...........Irish Republican Army (IRA).............Sinn Féin

War is Hell
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But I enjoyed my 37 months
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AIR FORCE
Death form above
Let god sort em out
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http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2336/222uo8.jpg

[Twostep]

That was 400 years of Christians torturing, burning at the stake and all manner of horrific mangeling and beheading of folks that didn't agree with the church.
Wrong, my friend.:)

Not that this didn't happen. Where you're wrong - and they were wrong - is calling themselves Christians in the first place. 'Christian', obviously, is one who practices and follows the beliefs/teachings of CHRIST. Right?

And nowhere did Jesus Christ EVER teach ANYONE to torture, behead, burn at the stake and perform all manners of horrific mangling. Anyone professing to be a Christian, then turns around and participates in such activities is no more a Christian than I'm a 3-legged astronaut. In fact, the Bible teaches that those who claim Christianity and then perform works of the devil are far worse off than those who just renounce Christ in the first place.

The Radical Right is just as bad as the Radical Left, make no mistake about it. Believing in Christ doesn't make you a radical. Doing radical things using the name of Christ (or Allah) DOES.

[smilingjack]

The "holy wars" is just a myth
And the burning at the stake and drowning didn't happen in the U.S.

And the plagues, locust, river of blood, and the fist born son getting killed, and the Noah's and thew ark are didn't happen either.

I won't want to be around when the Christians god come back, it going to be HELL

[mili]

Lets just stay in the fucking present guys. WTF happend 600 years+ ago is ANCIENT history. Lets hope that people learn from teh fuckups of yesterday and move ON. Obviously these Islamist radical assholes have a serious problem geting along with anyone other than goatfucking Islamist radicals nor can they get into at least the 20th century mindset. They are an anakronism and should be eradicated like the vermin they are. Go watch that video I uploaded:
http://www.dssftp.com/Obsession_Radical_Islams_War_Against_The_West.avi

mili

[Mesquiter]

Gentlemen and Ladies
I pride myself on being non-partisan and an affiliate of neither party. I do wish that the politicians would keep their campaign promises but I guess that is too much to expect.
I have been dealing with the middle east since the cold up until a couple of years ago. This is a very difficult process. They have no common ground with us. (americans) I had to catch the concorde out of London several years ago (only flight available at the moment) to keep from being killed over my failure to fund an Iranian up front on a buisness transaction. Just one example that is not hearsay and that acutually happened to me.
The radical Islams have but one goal and they do not care how long it takes. This is the complete and utter destruction of the West (especially Americans) and all other religions that do not conform to their doctrine.
This is their only pursuit or endeavor.
As for Iran, I know everyone heard the Rep (forgot his name) from Iran promise to use nuclear weapons on Israel when they became available.
Even though the economy is at an alltime high, the unemployment at an alltime low (this will not stay the same in next few years) I am displeased with the war in Irag. The only way we can survive is to fight fire with fire. It is rediculous for a country with the fire power and military might that we to let someone like any of these satellite countries dictate to us. I feel that the Liberals are just a bit too altruistic (with everybodys money but their own) and are wearing rose colored glasses concerning the Islamic nations. (by the way) Has everyone forgotten the weapons of mass destruction that were unleased on the population of Irag by their own government prior to our participation in present situaltion.
Just my two cents
Mesquiter

[gitmocap]

What is everyone so worried about? If the "radical Islamists" were after you, you would have been dead in your bed a long time ago.
They are not after you and all they are trying to do is trying to keep themselves from being murdered by you in their beds, in their homes, in their country.
Tonight at least 8,500 people will cross the border unaccounted for just south of me. They could be anyone and could be for any reason. Why are we checking old ladies at airports and putting their personal information on file for 40 years? Or wanting to throw people with a diaper and two fan belts on their head {description browered from one of your sainted Congressmen} out at 30 thousand feet.
What a joke to keep the ignorant scared and hating. It is guys like you who believe it took 10 years to do a blood alcohol test on Dianna's driver. But Mel Gibson's test took only 5 minutes.
You cannot believe anything you read in the media, even Aljazeera in English. It is all dollar driven. They think you are stupid and so far you are proving them right. You say they will kill their own people for their gain and I don't see much difference between the nearly 3,000 dead in this game. Seems we are all cut from the same cloth.
If you were smart and brave you would remember the number 57. I am not talking about Heinz' varieties I talking about dead Americans.
Didn't your draft [assignment] dodging president just finish cocktails about a week ago with the same people you hated then like you hate the Muslims now?
Polonium-210 is so deadly that several molecules will kill you. How about a bucket of it in major city's water supply? If they were really trying to kill you the could have a million man/woman army of terrorist in this country since 9/11 and you'd be too busy watching some guy's beard grow. I'm also a little sick of hearing how they don't educate women because that sets more than 50% of the females in this country off. And please don't say the "R" word. That gets you and expecially women every time. [Before you get in the killing mode read about the Rape of the Sabines] If there is no education how did they become Dr's, Teachers, Media Executives and one of the terrorist on the deck of 52 the US published? By the way Burkas used to be very expensive and only upper class women could wear them. Now they are selling like hot cakes. As Shakespeare's Puck said, "What Fools these mortals be!"

[alsouthster]

Watch the movie
"who kill the electric car"
the oil companies did it, assisted by the car manf.

Yes, good movie!

Brings to mind one way to help beat the "Desert" Muslims (who are different from the Asian "Maritime" Muslims, as you all know)

USE LESS OIL

Alas, when Al Gore LOL or some other Democrat suggests such a thing (if they even dare) they are immediately denounced as environmental wackos or moonbats or downright un-American

But would you (or for that matter I) be willing to pay way more for gas? And for gas guzzlers? Like, for example, what the Europeans pay?

Would you be caught dead cruising up to your NRA meeting in a hybrid?

I fear most North Americans would rather drill their wildlands into extinction than cut down on personal consumption.

After all, like Dick Cheney said, conservation is merely "a personal virtue"

hahahahaha argh

[cold iron]

What is everyone so worried about? If the "radical Islamists" were after you, you would have been dead in your bed a long time ago.
They are not after you and all they are trying to do is trying to keep themselves from being murdered by you in their beds, in their homes, in their country.
Tonight at least 8,500 people will cross the border unaccounted for just south of me. They could be anyone and could be for any reason. Why are we checking old ladies at airports and putting their personal information on file for 40 years? Or wanting to throw people with a diaper and two fan belts on their head {description browered from one of your sainted Congressmen} out at 30 thousand feet.
What a joke to keep the ignorant scared and hating. It is guys like you who believe it took 10 years to do a blood alcohol test on Dianna's driver. But Mel Gibson's test took only 5 minutes.
You cannot believe anything you read in the media, even Aljazeera in English. It is all dollar driven. They think you are stupid and so far you are proving them right. You say they will kill their own people for their gain and I don't see much difference between the nearly 3,000 dead in this game. Seems we are all cut from the same cloth.
If you were smart and brave you would remember the number 57. I am not talking about Heinz' varieties I talking about dead Americans.
Didn't your draft [assignment] dodging president just finish cocktails about a week ago with the same people you hated then like you hate the Muslims now?
Polonium-210 is so deadly that several molecules will kill you. How about a bucket of it in major city's water supply? If they were really trying to kill you the could have a million man/woman army of terrorist in this country since 9/11 and you'd be too busy watching some guy's beard grow. I'm also a little sick of hearing how they don't educate women because that sets more than 50% of the females in this country off. And please don't say the "R" word. That gets you and expecially women every time. [Before you get in the killing mode read about the Rape of the Sabines] If there is no education how did they become Dr's, Teachers, Media Executives and one of the terrorist on the deck of 52 the US published? By the way Burkas used to be very expensive and only upper class women could wear them. Now they are selling like hot cakes. As Shakespeare's Puck said, "What Fools these mortals be!"

To bad you can't tell that to the 3000 people that died it the World Trade Center.

[JT]

To bad you can't tell that to the 3000 people that died it the World Trade Center.

You can't tell it to the 3000 dead US soldiers or the 150,000 dead Iraqies either unfortunately.

[Twostep]

They are not after you and all they are trying to do is trying to keep themselves from being murdered by you in their beds, in their homes, in their country.
Spoken by another proud member of the Blame America First Club.:rolleyes:

As for the "Who killed the electric car" movie (did Michael Moore direct it?:p).....I'd say this falls in the same category as the infamous 200mpg carburetor that the oil companies have been stifling for 50 years. Those who believe that shit need to take a simple course in physics.

The electric car won't sell en masse because of its obvious limitations. People aren't willing to accept a 50-75 mile driving range, several hours to recharge, lack of recharging stations out on the road and sluggish performance. Perhaps they SHOULD, in the interest of the environment and our outrageous dependence on foreign oil - but they WON'T, as long as gasoline is readily available and relatively cheap. And driving electric cars won't save energy to begin with. It takes as much energy to produce the electricity that you save by using the vehicle. Back to that physics lesson again....energy can change form but it can't be created out of nowhere.....

Can't use alternative means of producing the energy, either - coal fired? Heaven forbid. Wind generators? What about those poor birds?:eek::rolleyes: Dam up some rivers? Beavers and trout would be really pissed....the only winner I see would be the slip-and-fall lawyers....

Hate to say it, but OPEC will ultimately be the ones to break our appetite for fossil fuel. We're too set in our ways. Very few soccer moms are gonna trade their Suburbans for a Prius. People like their privacy, so public transportation is limited. Car manufacturers are going to build what they can sell - and if shitboxes ain't selling, then they ain't gonna build 'em.

But when that faucet is turned off, you'd be surprised what you can get by with.....

[smilingjack]

Get who killed the eclectic car
They are not for ever one, but a lot of people were unhappy when the re-posses the cars and sent them to a scrap yard. As a second card to go to work in they are ideal.
The dealers ships complained that when they bought them in few servicing, all the had to do was re-fill the Windows washer solution and check the tires hahahaah.

I still think the ought to plow the food under that we are donating free & exporting.

And grow something that can by turned in to alcohol to run the cars.
IT easy, cheap, and all car toady can run on it.

[gitmocap]

The Blame America First Club is just asking for reason...For example: The only Country to use Nuclear Bombs on humans killed 140,000 at Hiroshima and 74,909 Japanese {CIVILIANS} in Nagasaki. In Nagasaki there were 73,884 wounded and 102,820 diseased. There were 2,749 [that's more than the 9/11 attack but I am sure you can rationalize that too] American citizens killed and Hundreds of Allied Prisoners of War by the bombing there.
The WTC had a total of 2,749 killed. 2, 249 were American citizens or People with dual nationality [I wouldn't call them Americans; like being half pregnant] the remainder were foreign nationals. The WTO whose headquarter building was the WTC is one of the most hated Organization in the United States and around the world. I am not being irreverant because I have several friends who were killed that day just pointing out why it and the pentagon would have been natural military targets. The first US bombing that took place in Bagdad was Saddam's private residence in an effort to kill his wife and daughter. Jerome Bettis received the keys to the City in Detroit after Pittsburgh won the Superbowl. The last person to receive that honor prior to him was ...Saddam Hussein. Anyone old enough to remember Castro the hero on the Ed Sullivan show? He was going to bring back the Casinos and Night Clubs to Havana. That mean Catholic Battista had closed the American operated clubs there and he had to go. How many American boys not old enough to visit these casinos died to get them open? The Governor of California has dual citizenship. I wonder if the US invaded Austria whose side the Calilfornia National Guard would be on? Can't seem to make up his mind what Country to owe allegiance to...or what Party [Nazi or Republican] his dad was the head of the Nazi Party in his town. So spare me the flag waving and righteous indignation. Check the numbers and facts, be ojective and then throw stones. I did my part for America has he and have you done yours?

[Twostep]

Well, I think it's a shame all those folks died as a result of two nukes dropped on Japan at the hand of the United States. I also think it's a shame that Japan took it upon itself to attack the US on December 7, 1941 - and that folks still blame America for winning a war somebody else started. If a hoodlum mugs you in an alley, Gitmocap, are you gonna fight to win, or just stand there and talk him to death?

The attack on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved 10 times as many lives as it took...and put an end to years of fighting and hundreds of thousands of lives lost as a result of an unprovoked attack by a bunch of nasty, evil bastards unparalleled to this day. Don't believe that? Ask any American that fought WW2 on Japanese soil. You mentioned rationalization; there it is. You fight wars to WIN, whatever it takes. And in the case of the war in the Pacific Theatre, that's what it took.

Have I done my part for America? 6 years, US Army, 1971-1977, for starters, and lots of other things, none of which included appeasing terrorists and those who would love nothing better than to see this country brought to its knees.

[cold iron]

You can't tell it to the 3000 dead US soldiers or the 150,000 dead Iraqies either unfortunately.

When you pook a stick into someone's eye, you should not complain when you get your head handed to you. None of the people in the WTC did anything to any one. One morning you will step outside and wonder why all
your neighbors are dead. I guess you will have a good answer for that.

[hughnohoo]

Mili, what are you doing reading this shit ? Bet if it was a christian being kicked off, they'd be calling for a holy war against the US....

In any event, who the fuck cares what they think ? They're just pissed that the voters got their act together and tossed them out, like the trash they are.

Just another example of wasted time and effort about ANY religion. Karl Marx was right...religion is the opiate of the masses.

[fubr]

The Blame America First Club is just asking for reason...For example: The only Country to use Nuclear Bombs on humans killed 140,000 at Hiroshima and 74,909 Japanese {CIVILIANS} in Nagasaki. In Nagasaki there were 73,884 wounded and 102,820 diseased.



Fuckin worked din't it!!
How long and how many would have died if that had of been done diferently.
WHAT is the only reason countries do not attack us now?

[JT]

I hate to say violence never solves anything, but sometimes, it's the only thing that solves anything. (I know this is a quote, but can't remember who from)

In the case of the Japanese, they weren't going to quit no matter what, and they did attack us first with a military force. This is very different than a terrorist attack on civilians. The Japanese attacked military targets with military force. I think WWII was the last clear war we will ever be involved in. Things were pretty black and white in WWII. Not all shades of grey like with the Iraq conflict now days. The war would not have ended when it did even though we had gained the upper hand in the Pacific by the time the H bombs were dropped. We offered them a surrender after dropping fat man on Heroshima. They rebuffed us with, and this is almost an exact quote, "You could never have two weapons of that magnitude". Lucky for us we did have one more.....only one, but little boy did the trick. The Japanese surrendered only a few days after the second H bomb was dropped. The Pacific conflict would have gone on for at least another year if not for our usage of the two first atomic bombs ever developed. Eventually Japan would have even run out of rookie pilots that could only fly Kamakazi missions, but how long would that of taken? Oh, and BTW, Heroshima and Nagasaki were major centers of military equipment production. We were targeting their war making abilities, not their civilians.

I don't know if dropping the only atomic bombs in history is why other countries don't attack us now or not. That seems like a stretch to me. We certainly wouldn't consider dropping a nuke now days I don't think. The environmental, social and image issues that would result would probably cost us more than we gained now days. In WWII it was the right call. I don't think any reputable historian would dispute that.

[Bandit5906]

Mili, what are you doing reading this shit ? Bet if it was a christian being kicked off, they'd be calling for a holy war against the US....
In any event, who the fuck cares what they think ? They're just pissed that the voters got their act together and tossed them out, like the trash they are.
Just another example of wasted time and effort about ANY religion. Karl Marx was right...religion is the opiate of the masses.

Karl Marx was right? Like the trash they are?

Another moonbat!

[gitmocap]

Since my wife worked for Dr. Teller, the father of the H-Bomb and I knew him well and discussed it with him many times, I think I can speak first-hand about his motivations. The A-bomb was to Teller just a trigger or "firing cap" for his H-Bomb. Almost all of his peers were against what they considered the "needless" use of the A-Bomb against humans. They criticized Teller for not really working hard on the A-Bomb because he was preoccupied with his theoretical H-Bomb. In fact The scientists of the world refused to work on his project or any Atomic war project. He was kicked out of Los Alamos. He had a rumor circulated that the Russians had developed a H-Bomb and he was immediately installed by the President at Lawrence Livermore to work on his project. He could not work with the world's scientists because they felt he was just wanted to develop and use an H-Bomb as an experiment hence they established the LL national laboratory for him and he had to work with an "accountant" to finish the project because his math was so bad. He was not even allowed near the Pacific Atoll where the bomb was tested. He had to measure the success in the seismic lab at UC Berkeley. He loved the experiments and he set about making the bomb smaller so it could be carried by a plane. If it was up to him he would have dropped it in some war, any war, to see how well it worked on people. To make conversation with him I commented on a report that there was a report that there was a radiation leak from Livermore that was detected by the adjacent Sandia lab. I told him that must be ridiculous because of all the safety measure in place. He replied to me nonchalantly, "We could have an accident at any time that could contaminate the whole area and probably kill us all. He said that's just the nature and risks of experimenting and gaining knowledge. I've had Sleep Apnia since. He convinced Reagan to start the much criticized Star Wars project [SDI] that this administration is experimenting with now and the Planetary Defense Initiative [PDI] that he worked on up to his death. There was no compelling reason to drop the bombs on Japan but when you do something that horrendous you have to justify it. As one of his associates once stated, "Give Eddie a problem and he'll develop a bomb to solve it". Seems there are a lot here that would like to solve the issues you have with the Muslims the same way. Sad, very sad!

[alsouthster]

holy crap this is either insane or some quite interesting shit!

Since my wife worked for Dr. Teller, the father of the H-Bomb and I knew him well and discussed it with him many times, I think I can speak first-hand about his motivations. The A-bomb was to Teller just a trigger or "firing cap" for his H-Bomb. Almost all of his peers were against what they considered the "needless" use of the A-Bomb against humans. They criticized Teller for not really working hard on the A-Bomb because he was preoccupied with his theoretical H-Bomb. In fact The scientists of the world refused to work on his project or any Atomic war project. He was kicked out of Los Alamos. He had a rumor circulated that the Russians had developed a H-Bomb and he was immediately installed by the President at Lawrence Livermore to work on his project. He could not work with the world's scientists because they felt he was just wanted to develop and use an H-Bomb as an experiment hence they established the LL national laboratory for him and he had to work with an "accountant" to finish the project because his math was so bad. He was not even allowed near the Pacific Atoll where the bomb was tested. He had to measure the success in the seismic lab at UC Berkeley. He loved the experiments and he set about making the bomb smaller so it could be carried by a plane. If it was up to him he would have dropped it in some war, any war, to see how well it worked on people. To make conversation with him I commented on a report that there was a report that there was a radiation leak from Livermore that was detected by the adjacent Sandia lab. I told him that must be ridiculous because of all the safety measure in place. He replied to me nonchalantly, "We could have an accident at any time that could contaminate the whole area and probably kill us all. He said that's just the nature and risks of experimenting and gaining knowledge. I've had Sleep Apnia since. He convinced Reagan to start the much criticized Star Wars project [SDI] that this administration is experimenting with now and the Planetary Defense Initiative [PDI] that he worked on up to his death. There was no compelling reason to drop the bombs on Japan but when you do something that horrendous you have to justify it. As one of his associates once stated, "Give Eddie a problem and he'll develop a bomb to solve it". Seems there are a lot here that would like to solve the issues you have with the Muslims the same way. Sad, very sad!

[smilingjack]

bull

anybody that work on making new bomb is just as guilty as the person who say drop it

[JT]

Did Pandora do a bad thing when she opened that box? Developing the potential to create something doesn't necessarily imply intent. After Einstein helped show his E=MC2 notion proves you could make an atomic bomb, he later made it his mission to discourage the use of his life works to actually create a bomb. It wasn't until after the knowledge was discovered that the full implications were realized. We have used the knowledge gained during the making of the first atomic bombs to make more efficient, safer ways to generate atomic energy etc. Loading the gun is not the same as aiming it and pulling the trigger.

[smilingjack]

They criticized Teller for not really working hard on the A-Bomb because he was preoccupied with his theoretical H-Bomb

He wanted to make a bigger bomb before the fist was completed.

how about the guys who make Bio weapon.

That all said that they didn't want to make the to be used of people.

yet they all are.

One of these day, somebody is going to start a war, and everybody says fuck it I am not going to go, let the people who starter the war do it them selves and handle the presiding of dictator a gun.

[gitmocap]

Einstein and other scientists told Teller the H-Bomb would not work or it wouldn't be self limiting and could destroy the planet. They convinced the powers that be that they were right. That's why Teller floated the rumor that the Soviets had the Bomb; to scare the President. It worked and he got his lab. They used UNIVAC at MIT to crunch the numbers and concluded that it would not work.
If you met Teller within the first fifteen minutes of the conversation he would somehow break the conversation, turn to you, smile and say "Einstein was wrong".

[ankhfnkhonsu]

You can bet your ass that if these fuckers had the bomb, they would be using it.

Contrary to what the useful pc idiots, and Muslim apologists have been saying, the turncoat Arabs and other Muslims have been repeatedly telling us to take these people at their word--not what fronts like CAIR are saying but the translated stuff from the brothers back home.

They intend to spread the Umma all over the world. Dar es Salaam(peace in the world) means something quite different than our understanding. Dar es Salaam =Dar es Islam (Islam in the world)-- that is when everyone is either converted or dead.

Apostate English Muslim Anwar Shaikh once called the Koran nothing less than a manifesto of the cultural imperialism of the Arabs, a means to legitimize the parasitic behaviour of marauding Arabs--murdering, pillaging, raping to the max, as long as they "submitted" (to the Allah scientology system).
This ain't no imperalistic, exploitive Western delusion. It's a fact. These fucks don't try to hide anything over there. Here they continually lie, but there they say it like it is--every day.

Iraq may be a stupid war and Bush and the gang may be greedy jackasses, but it doesn't change the reality of the threat.

[smilingjack]

yes

and Stalin wanted the world to be communist
and Hitler want the word to be the fifth Reich
and the pope want the would to be Catholic
and the Chinese wold to be chines

shall I go on ?

they don't have a charged in hell, the will be exterminated fist
their way of live is just to foreigner to 99% of the world

[smilingjack]

There was no compelling reason to drop the bombs on Japan but when you do something

but they had it and they wanted to try it on something
beside, it was a quick way to end a war that stared in the middle of another war

[davidghoser]

Thanks, Mili, for putting Obsession for download. I just watched it and now can't sleep. It was truly a thinking man's documentary. KUDOS. Everyone should watch this show.